2008 Camaro Pricing, Your thoughts.

Ive been recently re-working my financial plans for the next 2 years, since the Camaro is almost a 100% thing at this point.

To the question, what do you think the Pricing will be? Not First year ( i wont even bother ) but on 2nd year cars, when all the options will basically be available.

The Lack of T-Top's might deter me actually :-/ but im sure ill get over it as soon as i can touch the car at a local dealer.

So whats your predictions? If its not priced in Mustang territory, i dont even think it will be considerable for myself, i hope the pricing sticks to its roots.

Heres My HOPEFUL prediction: These are base's.


Base (V6): 19,500
Camaro SS (V8): 24,600
Camaro Z28 (V8): 29,700

anyone care to chime in?

I doubt a top model V8 will be had under 30,000...

That would likely depend on the engine (425hp vs. 500hp would cause a big difference)

I doubt a top model V8 will be had under 30,000...

2002 Super Sport cost 28k base. Why not?

I have nothing to base this on but just a feeling.I think anything with a V-8 will be in the low to mid 30's.The 1st ones out I bet will go in the 40's!! I think I'll keep my '02

2002 Super Sport cost 28k base. Why not?

Taking into account prices go up a little every year I have to agree with DrewSG. $30,000 sounds about right. I wouldn't think it would be WAY over that. But about there sounds right accounting for rising prices over 6 or 7 years since the '02 model and the release of the new one.

2002 Super Sport cost 28k base. Why not?

Inflation is a big reason, and take a look at the GTO. It's base MSRP is $33,260 and that is GM's performance on a budget car. I'm going to take a guess that the top Camaro will be around this price maybe 1 or 2k higher. So if you're wanting to stay under 30k your best bet is to look at the midlevel Camaro. Besides if the LS2 is truly the Midlevel V8, having that for under 30k will be a hell of a buy. Not very many cars can boast affordable 400hp V8 power. But that's just my 2 cents.

dammit, looks like I'm going broke in 2008.

Inflation is a big reason, and take a look at the GTO. It's base MSRP is $33,260 and that is GM's performance on a budget car. I'm going to take a guess that the top Camaro will be around this price maybe 1 or 2k higher. So if you're wanting to stay under 30k your best bet is to look at the midlevel Camaro. Besides if the LS2 is truly the Midlevel V8, having that for under 30k will be a hell of a buy. Not very many cars can boast affordable 400hp V8 power. But that's just my 2 cents.

We were just used to it, you do remember that a Base SS with an LS1 was an INSANE deal as well, and whooper all over a 32,000 cobra. If GM is coming back to the table and being serious about it, then they need to make a bold statement, and that is "We are still the sickiest bang for buck on the planet".

Just my .02

And even if it "starts" at $30K, the one youd want with some options worth having will be 3500-6000 more.

And even if it "starts" at $30K, the one youd want with some options worth having will be 3500-6000 more.


I dont think potential buyers are looking for a $40,000 pony car, i hope GM realizes that.

For $40,000 ill get myself another Vette'.

Do you think there will be 2 or 3 model. My guess would be 2 a 6 of some kind RS and a SS. Don't see a need for a Z-28

Do you think there will be 2 or 3 model. My guess would be 2 a 6 of some kind RS and a SS. Don't see a need for a Z-28


Z/28 will be reborn as it was initally intended to be, a Road cutting railed beast.

Mark my words, your new entry level camaro (V8) is a SS.

They may bring back RS and even the legendary RS/SS model :bow:

They are shooting to tug on retro heart strings, they could have a massive hit, if they just pay attention...

I dont think potential buyers are looking for a $40,000 pony car, i hope GM realizes that.

For $40,000 ill get myself another Vette'.


There were plenty of higher end sales of the previous gen too though. An SS with all options from dealer and SLP wasnt cheap!

There were plenty of higher end sales of the previous gen too though. An SS with all options from dealer and SLP wasnt cheap!


Those werent the sales making the bulk of the intire sales count though.

Remember, its the 18-26 crowd who will be shooting for these cars (after year one and the 60 year olds nestalgia period ends), GM MUST keep the camaros price realistic.

Only people i ever see rocking the fully loaded SS's are 45+, well nowa days i see about anyone doing it because they are almost 5 years old, but initally it was all the older crowd sporting them, and will be the same way this time around.

Im going for a stripper Z/28, as long as its under 31,000.

Heres My HOPEFUL prediction: These are base's.

Base (V6): 19,500
Camaro SS (V8): 24,600
Camaro Z28 (V8): 29,700

anyone care to chime in?

A mustang GT starts at 25,995. I think you have the SS under priced. I think it will probably be more than the GT. With the expectation that the Z28 is going to be the 2nd mortgage rail car and considering the GTO was 32k, you are going to be looking at a base probably around 35k. Not to say that it will, but they could close to Shelby GT500 prices for the Z28. Not to discourge you, but if it was only 5k difference between the V8 models, not too many SS's would get sold.

Also, I know what market you are expecting the cars to go to, but they will go to more than just that. I think it would be unrealistic to have a Z28 be affordable to the 18-26 age group if that is the car that is going to compete with the GT500.

what v8s are you talking about in these cars? ss with a 5.3, and z/28 with a ls2 (or comparible motors)? if that was what you were thinking i dont think the prices should be too far off, but if you are thinking z/28 with ls7 for slightly less than 30k i dont think that will happen.

Wasnt part of the GTO's lack of appeal its price due to being produced in Australia? I would think that the base LS2 model should come in cheaper than the GTO was for sure.

I am planning on paying around 30k for a car, but 40k is nuts.

30k I am in, 40k I wait and buy a used one.

$1000 more than a Mustang, but with more power.

$1000 more than a Mustang, but with more power.


I dunno man. If they cant beat the mustang on both fronts i think we will be waving goodbye to the camaro for good in 2016.

Why does everyone get so sprung on the motor being a LS2? Come on people its just the next evolutionary step from the LS1, and IMHO the LS1 was FAR more impressive / advanced in its day. So just because its a LS2, it should shoot the price up $5000.00? Thats utterly disgusting.

Base LS2 driven Camaro SS should be No more then $26,500.

And if it is, i guess my next purchase will be a 2001 / 2ish Z06. GM wont nail my ass for $5000.00 just for nestalgia, thats for sure.

I'd say the base model and the mid-v8 model are pretty close but the top model is def gonna be more expensive. Probably more along the lines of GT500 pricing. This time around, the top model isnt gonna be just a spoiler and hood job.

I'd say the base model and the mid-v8 model are pretty close but the top model is def gonna be more expensive. Probably more along the lines of GT500 pricing. This time around, the top model isnt gonna be just a spoiler and hood job.


As long as the base V8 Camaro is sporting 375 - 400 HP LS2 and a sub 30,000 price tag, then im sold. Anything else, and im gonna pass.

As long as I can buy the fastest, whiz-bang model for 40K or below, I'm sold.

As long as I can buy the fastest, whiz-bang model for 40K or below, I'm sold.

I could do that with a 2001 Z06, or a 2003 Cobra. They need to bring there own unique twist to the formula with a mass-market price.

I could do that with a 2001 Z06, or a 2003 Cobra. They need to bring there own unique twist to the formula with a mass-market price.

Yeah! Like IRS or something...:D

I could do that with a 2001 Z06, or a 2003 Cobra. They need to bring there own unique twist to the formula with a mass-market price.

I own a 2004 cobra now, the only reason I bought it was because there was no Camaro to buy. It was the fastest 2+2 American made whiz-bang model built. I have always been faithful to the F body, but if the fastest Camaro is more expensive than the GT500, I'll take a closer look at a GT500.

:rolleyes: Im going to go out on a limb:rolleyes: and say the LS2 will be all but gone when the camaro comes out. think LS3 guys

I did alot of rersearch in this thread, its not perfect, but I think its pretty close to what we will see option and price wise.

http://64.65.63.61/forums/showthread.php?t=448548

Remember, its the 18-26 crowd who will be shooting for these cars (after year one and the 60 year olds nestalgia period ends), GM MUST keep the camaros price realistic.


The 18 to 26 crowd has never been able to afford the V8 models off the lot, they have no money.

25 to 30 is more like it.

I dunno man. If they cant beat the mustang on both fronts i think we will be waving goodbye to the camaro for good in 2016.

Why does everyone get so sprung on the motor being a LS2? Come on people its just the next evolutionary step from the LS1, and IMHO the LS1 was FAR more impressive / advanced in its day. So just because its a LS2, it should shoot the price up $5000.00? Thats utterly disgusting.

Base LS2 driven Camaro SS should be No more then $26,500.

And if it is, i guess my next purchase will be a 2001 / 2ish Z06. GM wont nail my ass for $5000.00 just for nestalgia, thats for sure.
A LS2 5th gen should cost $5,000 more than a LS1 4th gen ($23K LS1 Z28) since it will have a world class IRS system, advanced dual pivot McPherson strut front suspension, GMT900 or better interior, 6 speed automatic, usabel rear seat, and the ability to whip the best factory 4th gen badly on a road course and be more comfortable while doing it. Lets also remember that the Camaro may be built in the highest quality plant in North America.

If you want an engine in a box on the cheap go buy a used Foxbody 5.0 and modify it. I want Camaro to be around when my GRANDCHILDREN learn to drive and to cheapen it up for the 'engine in a box' crowd would mean that it will not be around that long.

I think people tend to forget the GTO comes pretty much fully loaded. I expect a v8 camaro base near mustang v8 base. Also, with more hp/tq.

The 18 to 26 crowd has never been able to afford the V8 models off the lot, they have no money.

25 to 30 is more like it.


Maybe its the area i live in, but all the way until 2002, there was a rediculous amount of 18-26 year olds driving these cars around, be it base V6 all the way to Nicely equipped Z28 (in 2008 it will be SS).

and i dunno about you, but im 26 and i wouldnt have an issue one with purchasing a 26,000 car.. Maybe thats just me...

A LS2 5th gen should cost $5,000 more than a LS1 4th gen ($23K LS1 Z28) since it will have a world class IRS system, advanced dual pivot McPherson strut front suspension, GMT900 or better interior, 6 speed automatic, usabel rear seat, and the ability to whip the best factory 4th gen badly on a road course and be more comfortable while doing it. Lets also remember that the Camaro may be built in the highest quality plant in North America.

If you want an engine in a box on the cheap go buy a used Foxbody 5.0 and modify it. I want Camaro to be around when my GRANDCHILDREN learn to drive and to cheapen it up for the 'engine in a box' crowd would mean that it will not be around that long.

Your course of thinking is exactly what will end Camaro production for good.

The Mustang and Camaro (not to mention the challanger) were intended to be little more then a box with a motor.

Do i want A/C? Sure
Comfortable Interior? Sure

But im not willing to forget everything that makes a pony car a pony car. Want IRS and superb handling, then quit being cheap and buy a Vette'.

The camaro, needs to be a refined street machine like it has always been intended to be, the Mustang does just fine with this set critera, why cant the camaro?

IRS is swell, ive owned a vette' i can vouche for GM's IRS set-up, but i got rid of that over priced two seater, because i do in fact want that camaro feel back again, and not from my 1993 street warrior.

If you want a Caddilac with a camaro badge, then your in the wrong place guy', most of us want what the camaro has forged itself as, a Nice cheap sportscar, with seat of the pants appeal.

period.

Your course of thinking is exactly what will end Camaro production for good.

The Mustang and Camaro (not to mention the challanger) were intended to be little more then a box with a motor.

Do i want A/C? Sure
Comfortable Interior? Sure

But im not willing to forget everything that makes a pony car a pony car. Want IRS and superb handling, then quit being cheap and buy a Vette'.

The camaro, needs to be a refined street machine like it has always been intended to be, the Mustang does just fine with this set critera, why cant the camaro?

IRS is swell, ive owned a vette' i can vouche for GM's IRS set-up, but i got rid of that over priced two seater, because i do in fact want that camaro feel back again, and not from my 1993 street warrior.

If you want a Caddilac with a camaro badge, then your in the wrong place guy', most of us want what the camaro has forged itself as, a Nice cheap sportscar, with seat of the pants appeal.

period.
Times changed, evolve or die. How well did the last, engine in a box, Camaro do?

Times changed, evolve or die. How well did the last, engine in a box, Camaro do?

Not so well, because GM decided to shop for its interior from the Dollar store, and utterly refused to properly fund its development post 1989.

Dont shoot the messanger. The Mustang has been using the same formula for almost 40 years, they seem to be doing just fine. So whats the excuse? Thats right... i just told you why.

Remember that the GTO cost more than GM had intended because of the unfavorable US-AUS exchange rates, which won't be a factor with Camaro.

Did someone call the Corvette an overpriced two seater?

Did someone call the Corvette an overpriced two seater?


Maybe when im 65 ill disagree, but currently after owning one for a year and some change i feel i have the right to pass said judgement.

Now a Z06 on the other hand... doesnt quiet fit into this discription :cool:

I agree that the "engine in a box" is a recipe for disaster, but why can't we make a car like we want it?

I was watching an episode of "muscle car" the other day and they went out on a limb and clamied that the 1968.5 Road Runner with the 6 barrel was the purest example of a muscle car ever built. This vehicle had no A/C, no radio, a whop-sided leafspring set up, and an unpainted hood without hinges. The car didn't even have freakin hubcaps!

The point i'm trying to make is that the pure definition of muscle car is an engine in a box. The only problem is, to remain true to the definition of muscle car is to pretty much commit business suicide (ie 4th gen)

Now take into consideration the scions. The xB and xA are pathetic performers. They have 103 hp, tiny wheels, budget interiors, and get slightly above average gas mileage. Yet, there selling like hotcakes. There selling because of an ungodly amount of factory customization. You can order anything on your scion from a shift knob to a super charger.

Now what if GM allowed that kind of customization on a 5th gen? What if you could get a budget interior, cheap wheels, and a powerful V8? What if you could get a base V6, cloth interior, and 20" rims? How about a V6 with every option available? You see the niches that these cars could expand to include?

I just sincerely hope that GM sees the profits available through customer customization.

if the top dog camaro cant do the 1/4mile under 12.2, then i'm jus gonna get a 04 sonic blue cobra and tune it up :)

Look at the cost of the base equivalent mustang, add $500-$1000 and that should be the base prices of the camaro. It may go up from now, but when released that should be the target. Options etc. may raise the price, but if it starts much higher than that people who just want a V8 will be more likely to go mustang due to the "bargin" V8.

Maybe its the area i live in, but all the way until 2002, there was a rediculous amount of 18-26 year olds driving these cars around, be it base V6 all the way to Nicely equipped Z28 (in 2008 it will be SS).

and i dunno about you, but im 26 and i wouldnt have an issue one with purchasing a 26,000 car.. Maybe thats just me...

Might want to do a search on guionM and find a thread he posted quite some time ago about the buying demographics of Camaro (and Mustang). While your perception of your neighborhood might be different, I think you'll find the average Camaro buyer is somewhat north of 30 years old.

kinda off topic, but i saw on the news today that the camaro is "officially coming out in 08" is this real? or is this just reporters making things up like always?

or am i just slow in hearing it? i thought it was still iffy when it was coming out

cory

If you want a Caddilac with a camaro badge, then your in the wrong place guy', most of us want what the camaro has forged itself as, a Nice cheap sportscar, with seat of the pants appeal.

period.
Not so well, because GM decided to shop for its interior from the Dollar store, and utterly refused to properly fund its development post 1989.

Im confused, you want the nice cheap sports car but in the same thread you complain about the Dollar store interior as you call it. You do understand if it had a nicer interior that it wouldnt be free. IE the car would cost a little more.

kinda off topic, but i saw on the news today that the camaro is "officially coming out in 08" is this real? or is this just reporters making things up like always?

or am i just slow in hearing it? i thought it was still iffy when it was coming out

cory
wait till tomorrow, see what the news says then ;) (thursday)

The 18 to 26 crowd has never been able to afford the V8 models off the lot, they have no money.

25 to 30 is more like it.

I'm a 20 year old who is married, a homeowner, and I have a good job. ;) Not every 18 to 26 year old is broke, either that or i'm just the exception to the rule. But truck comes first, Camaro comes later.

Not so well, because GM decided to shop for its interior from the Dollar store, and utterly refused to properly fund its development post 1989.
Actually GM had a plan to make a modern, sophisticated sports coupe that used the latest technology of the day, space frame design, lightweight composit body panels, DOHC engines, but it was FWD. The GM80 program used up much of the 4th gen's budget in waste. The 4th gen, for what it was, was the furthest offshoot of the Camaro in its history. The 1st gens weren't engines in a box, sure they could be ordered like that, but the majority of them weren't. The Camaro was based on a high volume, shared chassis with the Nova chassis. It was a stylish sporty car, just like the Mustang was/is. That is what Camaro needs to be. The difference now is that the competition is TOTALLY different today. Instead of competing with Falcons, and other BOF RWD I6 and V8 domestic sedans and 2 door sedans Camaro will be competing with FWD/AWD unibody imports for the majority of its sales. These cars are much more sphoisticated than the average car sold in the 60s. Since the cars are now lighter and more efficient with space, Camaro must figure out a way to compete while staying true to its heritage. I am not advocating a GM80 FWD Camaro because that isn't Camaro but it needs to be more than an engine in a box.

Dont shoot the messanger. The Mustang has been using the same formula for almost 40 years, they seem to be doing just fine. So whats the excuse? Thats right... i just told you why.
I agree that Mustang has been using the same formula but if you think it is the enigne in a box you are dead wrong. Mustang is a sporty, stylish coupe that people can use everyday and has high power versions for those that want them. For the lack of a better term the Mustang V6 is a seceretary car. It is a car for someone who doesn't want a sedan, cares about looks, and wants a sporty drive.

Mustang is NOT nor has it ever been a muscle car. Mustang is THE pony car. It in its entirety is the market. And yet people will crossshop the original pony car with things like G6 coupes, Eclipses, and possibly even hatches like the new Rabbit. Sure the V8 models have different buyers but they make up a minority of the car's sales.

Camaro MUST be what GM is planning for it to be: a sporty, stylish coupe with a distinctive look, spohisticated suspension, kick butt interior, and a great value for what it is. The V8 model will have all the performance you guys will want from it, but if you want a drag car then go buy a used car and modify it with everything you want. Don't F*ck up the Camaro for the rest of us.

I'm a 20 year old who is married, a homeowner, and I have a good job. ;) Not every 18 to 26 year old is broke, either that or i'm just the exception to the rule. But truck comes first, Camaro comes later.

You would be the exception. In general, the 18-26 crowd is broke. I am 26 and could afford right now as well, so I am also the exception. But, in 2 years I will almost be in the target crowd.

I just have to say that you won't be getting the top of the line car for such a small price. It just doesn't make sense. Is GM going to price the top of the line Camaro under the price of a base Corvette and give the Camaro a bigger engine? Who knows. But I will say that you won't be getting something with an LS7 or equivalent for under 35k let alone 30k.

And who is calling a Corvette and overpriced 2 seater? That car is a bargain for what it can do.

Ive been recently re-working my financial plans for the next 2 years, since the Camaro is almost a 100% thing at this point.

To the question, what do you think the Pricing will be? Not First year ( i wont even bother ) but on 2nd year cars, when all the options will basically be available.

The Lack of T-Top's might deter me actually :-/ but im sure ill get over it as soon as i can touch the car at a local dealer.

So whats your predictions? If its not priced in Mustang territory, i dont even think it will be considerable for myself, i hope the pricing sticks to its roots.

Heres My HOPEFUL prediction: These are base's.


Base (V6): 19,500
Camaro SS (V8): 24,600
Camaro Z28 (V8): 29,700

anyone care to chime in?


you must have that mixed around...why would GM put the SS lower then the Z/28??? the SS has always been the more dominant special edition...maybe thats just my thought tho....?

you must have that mixed around...why would GM put the SS lower then the Z/28??? the SS has always been the more dominant special edition...maybe thats just my thought tho....?

Supposedly the Z28 may be top model for the new Camaro.

If they do I hope they totally eliminate 'SS' from the Camaro lineup entirely. I dont' want an 'SS'. BUT, if that is the mid-level Camaro, I'll just have to get it and remove all the 'SS' badges. There are enough trim levels from previous generations to choose from that they don't need 'SS'. I'd rather have a new Camaro Berlinetta or RS over an SS...

Z28 should be an affordable vehicle not an upper $30's or more top model. IMO anyway. SS should be top (even though I don't like the designation) over Z28 if only due to 'SS' standing for SUPER Sport... How can you have a model above the 'Super' one?

this is just my opinion...but i garuntee that chevy wont rate the z28 over the SS....they already have the SS lineup going right now, chevy will never make the SS name lower then any other models IMHO. Just like how chevy will never make the camaro w/ the Ls7, or any engine w/ more power then the new z06 vettes (unless for a special edition) because then nobody would buy the vette, and it would be a waste of creation.

thats my opinion, but who knows....i really dont care though, cuz i cant wait to get my hands on the new camaro!!!

but i garuntee that chevy wont rate the z28 over the SS...

You guarantee it! :eek:

You guarantee it! :eek:


He doesn't know much about the Camaro history, it's ok.

You would be the exception. In general, the 18-26 crowd is broke. I am 26 and could afford right now as well, so I am also the exception. But, in 2 years I will almost be in the target crowd.

I just have to say that you won't be getting the top of the line car for such a small price. It just doesn't make sense. Is GM going to price the top of the line Camaro under the price of a base Corvette and give the Camaro a bigger engine? Who knows. But I will say that you won't be getting something with an LS7 or equivalent for under 35k let alone 30k.

And who is calling a Corvette and overpriced 2 seater? That car is a bargain for what it can do.

I agree with you on the LS7, I don't see that engine going into this car. Unless GMMG, or SLP wants to do another ZL1 Car. And honestly i'd be happy with a 5.3L V8 as the base V8, give it about 325 to 350hp, AFM with Flex Fuel and i'll be doing back flips. But the LS2 has been rumoured to be the base V8 and if it is that will be one hell of a buy for Mustang GT's prices.

As for the Z28 being over the SS, here is a history lesson for those who don't know. RPO Z28 was developed as a Road Racer, it had a 302 V8 and a race suspension. They were more expensive then the SS and RS cars for a very good reason. GM only produced enough to qualify it for competition. And GM wasn't the only company to do that, Chrysler did it with the Hemi, and Ford did it with the BOSS 429. I'm sure I left some things out feel free to fill in the gaps.

Would anybody have an accurate idea how much will be asked for V8 Camaro by Holden should they import it to Australia? Denny Mooney indicated a mid-50s price which seems too good to be true based on prices for the outgoing Monaro being listed higher.

Given Camaro will sell for circa $30K USD, it shouldn't cost more than $50K AUD based on currency conversion and FTA between USA and AUS.

this is just my opinion...but i garuntee that chevy wont rate the z28 over the SS....they already have the SS lineup going right now, chevy will never make the SS name lower then any other models IMHO. Just like how chevy will never make the camaro w/ the Ls7, or any engine w/ more power then the new z06 vettes (unless for a special edition) because then nobody would buy the vette, and it would be a waste of creation.

thats my opinion, but who knows....i really dont care though, cuz i cant wait to get my hands on the new camaro!!!
Yeah I like how people forget that there is a Corvette SS that is top dog over the Z06. Oh wait there isn't.

okay whatever...i was just saying what i thought...and i still think that chevy wont put the SS name lower then the Z/28.

the SS lineup is all about power....so if they put a SS camaro lower then the Z/28 that would make no sence...and the ss has always been on top

okay whatever...i was just saying what i thought...and i still think that chevy wont put the SS name lower then the Z/28.

the SS lineup is all about power....so if they put a SS camaro lower then the Z/28 that would make no sence...and the ss has always been on top
SS is about good performance and comfort. Z designations, Z71, Z06, Z28 are about pure performance.

He doesn't know much about the Camaro history, it's ok.
I'm confused. Hasn't Z/28 always been an entry level V8? For all the years that Z/28 and SS coexisted, the SS had the more performance oriented options. Bigger engines, and such. Until the 4th gen, anyway. But even then, they still had more performance options.

AHHHHH......its happening once again!!!!!

AHHHHH......its happening once again!!!!!
:confused:

Heeeeere we go!

:lol:

Its kind of an LT1 vs. LS1 thing... ;)

But much like that the answer should be pretty obvious.

Z/28 has usually been rarer and empirically more performance oriented, stickers from 1993-2002 dont change that.

I'm confused. Hasn't Z/28 always been an entry level V8? For all the years that Z/28 and SS coexisted, the SS had the more performance oriented options. Bigger engines, and such. Until the 4th gen, anyway. But even then, they still had more performance options.
Ok, heres the brief history of Camaro....

Back in ancient times, in the late 60's, you could get a Camaro w/ a V6 or V8, just plain Camaro, no RS, SS, Zthis, LT that, or anything. Chevrolet offered some packages though. RS was an appearance package mainly, had some chrome bits, hideaway headlights, relocated blinkers, gas cap, and other changes. The SS was a performance package that had the 350ci (thats cubic inches for you younguns:D ), HD suspension, stripe, different hood, SS emblems (starting to sound familiar?), grille, steering wheel, and a few other bits and pieces. If you wanted, you could combine the 2 to make an RS/SS, which got the RS appearance stuff, w/ the SS hardware. A very popular car for todays collectors. A few months into it, you could get an SS w/ a 396ci as well.

Now then, separate from all that, you could get a Z/28. The Z/28 was a handling package, and engine package. Its engine was limited to 5.0 liters, so that it could pass the SCCA's homologation requirements. It was RATED at 290hp, noteworthy as the begining of GM's underrating of Z/28 hp :D . It also came w/ a special suspension, wheels, tires, rally stripes, steering ratio, radiator, power front discs, and the close ratio 4 speed. Automatics and air were not available.

The Z/28 would drill an SS-350, and could hang neck and neck w/ an SS-396 in the quarter. It would outhandle all SS's. But it was built more as a street legal racecar (Z06 anyone?) than as an everyday car (SS). So not many were bought.

Over the next several years, The SS was phased out due to slow sales, as was the 396. The Z28 lost the 302, gained the LT-1, then lost it too. The Z28 became more of the generic "performance" Camaro. By the begining of the 4th gen, the Z28 was, in fact, the only way to get a V8 in a Camaro! The god's of the 60's were rolling in thier graves :cry: . The SS rolled back into the scene after being gone for 20 something years, as an enhanced Z28 as it were, not the separate model that it was before.

So there you have it, the Z28 was not always the base V8, it was only because Chevrolet diluted the line so much that it became so. The Z/28 was a distinct, focused, and hard edged car as it was originally conceived. Designed to win in SCCA. Back then, there was no "which one is better" argument because the cars were built for 2 different purposes. What makes a top dog? Engine size? HP? Performance? Handling? Price?

As for the SS over a Z thing...keep in mind that the C5 Z06 was internally known as SS for some time. The current SS being looked at has already been re-named Stingray. So there is precedent for either the SS or the Z, as being the top car. Just remember this, as spoken by one of our greatest heroes, "any Chevrolet can be an SS, only Camaro can be a Z/28".

As for price....just follow the Mustang, give or take a thousand or 2. Top dog Mustang pushes or exceeds 40k, Camaro probably will too. Average age of V8 Camaro buyers, 30+. 18-25 year olds...in their dreams (most of them, not all).

Its kind of an LT1 vs. LS1 thing... ;)

But much like that the answer should be pretty obvious.

Z/28 has usually been rarer and empirically more performance oriented, stickers from 1993-2002 dont change that.
So, by more performance oriented, you aren't talking about bigger engines?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't 1967 - 1969 Z/28s all 302 cars, while their SS counterparts had the 350 and 396?

The 1970 - 1973 Z/28s had the 350, while their SS counterparts had the 350 and 396?

Am I wrong?

EDIT: Ok, heres the brief history of Camaro....

Back in ancient times, in the late 60's, you could get a Camaro w/ a V6 or V8, just plain Camaro, no RS, SS, Zthis, LT that, or anything. Chevrolet offered some packages though. RS was an appearance package mainly, had some chrome bits, hideaway headlights, relocated blinkers, gas cap, and other changes. The SS was a performance package that had the 350ci (thats cubic inches for you younguns:D ), HD suspension, stripe, different hood, SS emblems (starting to sound familiar?), grille, steering wheel, and a few other bits and pieces. If you wanted, you could combine the 2 to make an RS/SS, which got the RS appearance stuff, w/ the SS hardware. A very popular car for todays collectors. A few months into it, you could get an SS w/ a 396ci as well.

Now then, separate from all that, you could get a Z/28. The Z/28 was a handling package, and engine package. Its engine was limited to 5.0 liters, so that it could pass the SCCA's homologation requirements. It was RATED at 290hp, noteworthy as the begining of GM's underrating of Z/28 hp :D . It also came w/ a special suspension, wheels, tires, rally stripes, steering ratio, radiator, power front discs, and the close ration 4 speed. Automatics and air were not available.

The 302 would drill an SS-350, and could hang neck and neck w/ an SS-396 in the quarter. It would outhandle all SS's. But it was built more as a street legal racecar (Z06 anyone?) than as an everyday car (SS). So not many were bought.

Over the next several years, The SS was phased out due to slow sales, as was the 396. The Z28 lost the 302, gained the LT-1, then lost it too. The Z28 became more of the generic "performance" Camaro. By the begining of the 4th gen, the Z28 was, in fact, the only way to get a V8 in a Camaro! The god's of the 60's were rolling in thier graves :cry: . The SS rolled back into the scene after being gone for 20 something years, as an enhanced Z28 as it were, not the separate model that it was before.

So there you have it, the Z28 was not always the base V8, it was only because Chevrolet diluted the line so much that it became so. The Z/28 was a distinct, focused, and hard edged car as it was originally conceived. Designed to win in SCCA. Back then, there was no "which one is better" argument because the cars were built for 2 different purposes. What makes a top dog? Engine size? HP? Performance? Handling? Price?

As for the SS over a Z thing...keep in mind that the C5 Z06 was internally known as SS for some time. The current SS being looked at has already been re-named Stingray. So there is precedent for either the SS or the Z, as being the top car. Just remember this, as spoken by one of our greatest heroes, "any Chevrolet can be an SS, only Camaro can be a Z/28".

As for price....just follow the Mustang, give or take a thousand or 2. Top dog Mustang pushes or exceeds 40k, Camaro probably will too. Average age of V8 Camaro buyers, 30+. 18-25 year olds...in their dreams (most of them, not all).

Okay, great post. I was thinking in terms of larger displacement only.

This is all from Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camaro#1969

1967-1969 Z28: 4.9 L (302 in³) Small-Block V8 290 hp (216 kW) @ 5800 rpm, 290 ft·lbff (393 N·m) @ 4200 rpm

1967-1969 SS396: 6.5 L (396 in³) Big-Block V8 375 hp (280 kW) @ 5600 rpm, 415 ft·lbff (563 N·m) @ 3600 rpm

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There, I fixed it for you.

You guys really are a bunch of elitists, aren't you?
No, but the SS vs Z28 debate was voted the #1http://images.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/beatdeadhorse5.gif topic of all time, and has gone on for many years.

There, I fixed it for you.


No, but the SS vs Z28 debate was voted the #1http://images.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/beatdeadhorse5.gif topic of all time, and has gone on for many years.
That's funny. Well, thanks to you taking the time to explain it, you have one fewer horse beater on your hands.

Thanks again.

This is all from Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camaro#1969

1967-1969 Z28: 4.9 L (302 in³) Small-Block V8 290 hp (216 kW) @ 5800 rpm, 290 ft·lbff (393 N·m) @ 4200 rpm

1967-1969 SS396: 6.5 L (396 in³) Big-Block V8 375 hp (280 kW) @ 5600 rpm, 415 ft·lbff (563 N·m) @ 3600 rpm
Do they have the 302's actual output in there, or just what GM rated it at? :lol:

That's funny. Well, thanks to you taking the time to explain it, you have one fewer horse beater on your hands.

Thanks again.
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like i said before...i really dont care what the top model is...or if theres even an ss.....i just cant wait to get my hands on the new camaro...im sure we can all agree on that!:cool:

Im confused, you want the nice cheap sports car but in the same thread you complain about the Dollar store interior as you call it. You do understand if it had a nicer interior that it wouldnt be free. IE the car would cost a little more.


wait till tomorrow, see what the news says then ;) (thursday)


When you assume, you make an ass out of you and me.

I said the interior was cheap, but where did i say it bothered me? hmm... yep, exactly.

Back to the drawing board skipper.

you must have that mixed around...why would GM put the SS lower then the Z/28??? the SS has always been the more dominant special edition...maybe thats just my thought tho....?


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Apparently your new to the camaro scene, so ill let you have this one for free.

The Z/28 was initally a sleeper street machine, completely capable of stomping the SS on the track and in the turns.

Your just confused due to the fact of what the camaro was from 1996 - 2002.

I forgive ya ;)

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Don't be scared. You can say ass.

Don't be scared. You can say ass.


OMGZ.

OMGZ.
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You guarantee it! :eek:
And I guarantee that I don't care what they name the Camaro trim levels. And you can take that one to the bank! ;)

(just as long as there is never a Corvette SS, I will be happy)

If GM prices this car over the 40K mark for full loaded model, this car won't sell like the mustang and your going to have history repeat like the 4th gen and GM produces the Camaro for 3 years with sales through the floor and scrap the Camaro for good:confused: .

:alert: For the buyers that GM is trying to hit with the camaro, they can't afford 40K for a car. That's the reason I didn't but a 4th gen. For alittle more money I could have bought a brand new C5 instead at the time.

If that is going to be the case, I'll spend 40K on my 91 Z28 instead:D .

Interesting thought....what was the MSRP of a fully-loaded 2002 WS6 or Camaro SS?

He doesn't know much about the Camaro history, it's ok.
I will be willing to put money down that says the SS will be the top dog and the Z/28 will be under it.

You guys act like you know everything. Take a look at thier lineup right now.

I could give a **** what it says on the side, just as long as it handles like hell, and has 400 ponies and has a bowtie. I am happy.

Some of you guys are just plain *******s. Its a great car and nobody knows whats going to happen yet, I dont need a damn history lesson on Cubic inches, or the camaro models. I just want to know what is gonig on when it happens, and until then, its ALL speculation. But i would be willing to say its going to go: V6--Z/28--SS.

35 or 36 for the Anniversary edition right?

If GM prices this car over the 40K mark for full loaded model, this car won't sell like the mustang and your going to have history repeat like the 4th gen and GM produces the Camaro for 3 years with sales through the floor and scrap the Camaro for good:confused: .

:alert: For the buyers that GM is trying to hit with the camaro, they can't afford 40K for a car. That's the reason I didn't but a 4th gen. For alittle more money I could have bought a brand new C5 instead at the time.

If that is going to be the case, I'll spend 40K on my 91 Z28 instead:D .
That's not true. There are plenty of people that can afford a 40k car, and would just as soon buy a Camaro. FWIW, Ford is CAPPING production of the $40,000 GT-500 at 9,000 this year.

If GM prices this car over the 40K mark for full loaded model, this car won't sell like the mustang and your going to have history repeat like the 4th gen and GM produces the Camaro for 3 years with sales through the floor and scrap the Camaro for good:confused: .

:alert: For the buyers that GM is trying to hit with the camaro, they can't afford 40K for a car. That's the reason I didn't but a 4th gen. For alittle more money I could have bought a brand new C5 instead at the time.

If that is going to be the case, I'll spend 40K on my 91 Z28 instead:D .


The 40k car will be a very limited release. What will make the car survive will be the V6 model (that is where you get your volume). Most people who want a V8 will spend more, but that won't be the 40k car. It will probably be closer to 29k+ for the base V8.

The 40k car (if it ever exsists) will be similiar to the GT500 in price and specs.

When you assume, you make an ass out of you and me.

I said the interior was cheap, but where did i say it bothered me? hmm... yep, exactly.

Back to the drawing board skipper.

I didnt assume anything. On the one hand you said the car didnt sell because of the "dollar store interior", and on the other hand you mock an improved interior stating that people looking for a "Caddilac with a camaro badge, then your in the wrong place guy'" Are we supposed to put up with the dollar store interior, (which doesnt sound like an endorsement to me) because its ok with you?

you need to determine which side of the fence you are complaining about... at least before you post.

35 or 36 for the Anniversary edition right?

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He meant how much $$

Well, pricing out a 2007 Mustang GT with everything I'd want comes to about $30,650.

The midlevel Camaro shouldn't be anymore than $500 - $1000 over that imo.

Other than a special model (like the GT500 Mustang) no Camaro should ever reach $40,000.

your math

I meant 35,000 or 36000 dollars for the 35th anniversary SS Camaro.

Your numbers are counting production years, BTW.

But counting anniversaries starts with the 2nd year because its an annual count.

The Camaro was produced for 36 years, but the beginning of the 2002 M/Y was marked the 35th full year of production and the beginning of the 36th.

LSx powered camaro for around 28k-33k would seem reasonable.

I think the ss will probally have more power and cost more than the z28

Holy back from the dead thread batman!

sniff sniff....something smells funny in that last post.....sniff sniff

I think the ss will probally have more power and cost more than the z28

Wishful thinking or trolling? Is it trolling if it is the actual company looking for responses?:D

Holy back from the dead thread batman!


lol this whole time i was thinking "oh no, not this argument again".. saw that it was posted at the beginning of August.. took me a while after reading your post to realize that it was from August of 2006

I'm "hoping" for mid/high $30s for the top end. Going over $40K, I would be considering a used C5 or C6 instead. Also, GM needs to keep it near the Mustang price...haven't we learned anything from history?

Also, I thought SS were better then Z28s?








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