Camaro vs. Sky

How many of you are considering a Sky Redline either A)while waiting for the Camaro to arrive B)because you like the design better or C)some other reason?

I know some of you will not go for it because you are die hard Camaro, I respect that. Just want to see given there is not approval yet and we have not seen an official prototype convertible. Also we are not seeing one this model year. Thoughts...

Sorry Pontiac fans, I forgot the Solstice GXP as well!

I hear alot of murmurs here in savannah of "if chevy doesn't get that camaro out soon i may just buy a sky/solstice!"

It seems those two cars are attracting both the tuner and muscle guys. I mean you get a high hp/low weight performance coupe with RWD. AND you get a great handling compact vehicle with a turbo all in the same car.

The only downside is 2 less seats which camaro guys are probably already use to not having a real back seat anyway.

I actually saw a red sky the other day on the road and that car is BEAUTIFUL. The solstice is just as sharp too. These are cars you just have to see in person to fully appreciate.

The cars you are talking about have nothing in common. I don't want a tiny little 2 seat roadster, I want a muscle car. I don't see how someone can say, well I'll just get a sky because the camaro isn't approved. I'd be more likely to buy a challenger (that is approved for production) than the tiny sky or solstice.

If the Camaro turns out to be too heavy/too expensive/doesn't handle decently well, I would probably go for a Solstice or Sky instead.

I know I'm gonna sound like a pri*k, but this is ridiculous bordering on dumb. :rolleyes: :no:

Reasons:

1. One car is a 2 passenger 4 cylinder drop top sports car, the other is a V6/V8 4 passenger coupe.

2. One is going to be made at a rate of 20,000 per year, the other is 100,000 plus.

3. One is a Saturn, the other is Chevrolet.

4. You are talking like someone who has money burning a serious hole in their pocket who simply MUST buy something....ANYTHING... to hold them over till a Camaro arrives in the showroom.

5. You are also forgetting you are on a Camaro site. Anyone that actually wants a Camaro is gonna wait for a Camaro, not rush off and buy something to tide them over. If anyone here buys anything to tide them over, it's going to be another Camaro or a project car.... not something that's going to still be on the upside of payments when the Camaro comes out.

As long as we're comparing apples to pineapples, why not ask if anyone's going to by a Charger SRT-8 to "hold them over" till Camaro comes....or an Aveo? If anything, the Saturn's gonna likely be more valuable than the Camaro over the years due to both rareity and intrest.



Listen, I'm as much a Camaro fan as just about anyone here, but my goodness man! Why in the planet's name am I going to buy a Saturn Sky simply because I can't wait for a Camaro???! :confused:

If I want a V8 4 passenger coupe, and I needed it yesterday, I'm going to buy a Mustang or a used Camaro or Firebird. I'm certainly NOT gonna buy a 2 passenger, 4 cylinder droptop unless I wanted one.

Anyone who would run down to a Saturn dealer to get a car to tide them over is going to trade in a 5th gen Camaro as soon as they get tired of it, rendering this whole subject moot.

I know I sound like The Grinch, Scrooge, and the Adbominable Snowman all rolled into one. I also know that maybe because I don't surf the internet as much as I used to, I'm quicker to notice how little logic is involved in some posts.

But upon reading the heading: "Camaro vs Sky" (my reaction: :confused: ), then seeing the opening post ask who's gonna buy a Sky to hold them over till Camaro arrives (my reaction: "this guy simply can't be serious...), either there's alot of millionaires stopping by the site, or the reality quotent is starting to dip quite a bit around here. :(

I know I'm gonna sound like a pri*k, but this is ridiculous bordering on dumb. :rolleyes: :no:

Reasons:

1. One car is a 2 passenger 4 cylinder drop top sports car, the other is a V6/V8 4 passenger coupe.

2. One is going to be made at a rate of 20,000 per year, the other is 100,000 plus.

3. One is a Saturn, the other is Chevrolet.

4. You are talking like someone who has money burning a serious hole in their pocket who simply MUST buy something....ANYTHING... to hold them over till a Camaro arrives in the showroom.

5. You are also forgetting you are on a Camaro site. Anyone that actually wants a Camaro is gonna wait for a Camaro, not rush off and buy something to tide them over. If anyone here buys anything to tide them over, it's going to be another Camaro or a project car.... not something that's going to still be on the upside of payments when the Camaro comes out.

As long as we're comparing apples to pineapples, why not ask if anyone's going to by a Charger SRT-8 to "hold them over" till Camaro comes....or an Aveo? If anything, the Saturn's gonna likely be more valuable than the Camaro over the years due to both rareity and intrest.



Listen, I'm as much a Camaro fan as just about anyone here, but my goodness man! Why in the planet's name am I going to buy a Saturn Sky simply because I can't wait for a Camaro???! :confused:

If I want a V8 4 passenger coupe, and I needed it yesterday, I'm going to buy a Mustang or a used Camaro or Firebird. I'm certainly NOT gonna buy a 2 passenger, 4 cylinder droptop unless I wanted one.

Anyone who would run down to a Saturn dealer to get a car to tide them over is going to trade in a 5th gen Camaro as soon as they get tired of it, rendering this whole subject moot.

I know I sound like The Grinch, Scrooge, and the Adbominable Snowman all rolled into one. I also know that maybe because I don't surf the internet as much as I used to, I'm quicker to notice how little logic is involved in some posts.

But upon reading Camaro vs Sky (my reaction: :confused: ), then seeing the post ask who's gonna buy a Sky to hold them over till Camaro arrives (my reaction: "this guy simply can't be serious...), either there's alot of millionaires stopping by the site, or the reality quotent is starting to dip quite a bit around here. :no:
Jacoz35thSS :Owned: by guionM

(sorry, I couldn't help it)

Personally, I like the Sky and the Solstice. I would actually consider buying one, but not to replace a void that the Camaro would leave if it weren't produced. I don't see these cars as replacements for a muscle car, but just great looking cars in their own right. So while I might consider one if the Camaro isn't made, it wouldn't be as a substitute for it. (doesn't exactly make sense, but I think you get it)

5. You are also forgetting you are on a Camaro site. Anyone that actually wants a Camaro is gonna wait for a Camaro, not rush off and buy something to tide them over. :(

Actually, i really want a 5th gen. But after 6 months got tired of waiting for the new camaro and bought the 'balt. But then again, i'm 20 and have the attention span of a goldfish.:shock:

But i disagree, i'm finding that many former camaro owners are taking great interest in the solstice and sky. Its exciting, fast, and RWD. Not to mention you get a car that has the looks of a viper with the price of cobalt. And you can go buy one right now.

Now i'm gonna go hide from the ensuing "guionM barrage" that is sure to come. j/k ;)

The only Solstice I would be interested in would be the LS7 powered one that Hot Rod built.

I know I'm gonna sound like a pri*k, but this is ridiculous bordering on dumb. :rolleyes: :no:

Reasons:

1. One car is a 2 passenger 4 cylinder drop top sports car, the other is a V6/V8 4 passenger coupe.

2. One is going to be made at a rate of 20,000 per year, the other is 100,000 plus.

3. One is a Saturn, the other is Chevrolet.

4. You are talking like someone who has money burning a serious hole in their pocket who simply MUST buy something....ANYTHING... to hold them over till a Camaro arrives in the showroom.

5. You are also forgetting you are on a Camaro site. Anyone that actually wants a Camaro is gonna wait for a Camaro, not rush off and buy something to tide them over. If anyone here buys anything to tide them over, it's going to be another Camaro or a project car.... not something that's going to still be on the upside of payments when the Camaro comes out.

As long as we're comparing apples to pineapples, why not ask if anyone's going to by a Charger SRT-8 to "hold them over" till Camaro comes....or an Aveo? If anything, the Saturn's gonna likely be more valuable than the Camaro over the years due to both rareity and intrest.



Listen, I'm as much a Camaro fan as just about anyone here, but my goodness man! Why in the planet's name am I going to buy a Saturn Sky simply because I can't wait for a Camaro???! :confused:

If I want a V8 4 passenger coupe, and I needed it yesterday, I'm going to buy a Mustang or a used Camaro or Firebird. I'm certainly NOT gonna buy a 2 passenger, 4 cylinder droptop unless I wanted one.

Anyone who would run down to a Saturn dealer to get a car to tide them over is going to trade in a 5th gen Camaro as soon as they get tired of it, rendering this whole subject moot.

I know I sound like The Grinch, Scrooge, and the Adbominable Snowman all rolled into one. I also know that maybe because I don't surf the internet as much as I used to, I'm quicker to notice how little logic is involved in some posts.

But upon reading the heading: "Camaro vs Sky" (my reaction: :confused: ), then seeing the opening post ask who's gonna buy a Sky to hold them over till Camaro arrives (my reaction: "this guy simply can't be serious...), either there's alot of millionaires stopping by the site, or the reality quotent is starting to dip quite a bit around here. :(


With all due repsect, this is not a dumb post and your response is (IMO) a little out of line, regardless of a person's post number.

I thought he brought up two important consumer considerations. I am a huge Camaro fan but I am also very interested in the Solstice GXP because I don't like where the Camaro's styling and market is heading and without delving hard into the numbers yet, the Solstice could have a better weight to power ratio that the 5th gen.

I want a new Camaro...I'm not waiting until 201x for the 6th gen, and after waiting 20 years....I'm getting tired of waiting on GM in general. Pat yourself on the back if you want, I don't want to lower my standard of living to support the home team's lack of product.

Actually, i really want a 5th gen. But after 6 months got tired of waiting for the new camaro and bought the 'balt. But then again, i'm 20 and have the attention span of a goldfish.:shock:

But i disagree, i'm finding that many former camaro owners are taking great interest in the solstice and sky. Its exciting, fast, and RWD. Not to mention you get a car that has the looks of a viper with the price of cobalt. And you can go buy one right now.

Now i'm gonna go hide from the ensuing "guionM barrage" that is sure to come. j/k ;)

No barrage needed. ;)

You liked the Cobalt and you bought one. With the go-fast goodies you're putting on it (I think that was you, right? :)), you have yourself an impressive car.

But like you said, you didn't just head out one day to buy your brand new car, go into $20K+ debt, and set yourself up for years of car payments just to "tide you over till the Camaro comes along".

I can easily see myself buy a Cobalt SS (if I wasn't so fixated on RWD) and I I thinkthe Saturn Sky as well as the Solstice are really great cars. Ever since I rode in 1 for the 1st time at the Camaro intro, I think they are very solid and fun cars. But the idea that I'm going to buy a new one simply to tide me over (not because I actually want the car) strikes me as pretty silly.

Plus we already have a "what else would you buy.." thread. :lol:

I don't want to lower my standard of living to support the home team's lack of product.

Well said. I want a camaro so bad i cant stand it. But if i'm looking at 3+ years of waiting then then theres no way that i could continue driving my 00 camaro much longer (and i didn't). I take great care of my vehicles, but almost 10 years on a daily driver is pushing it for me.

I just wish GM would just tell us SOMETHING. Just a release month. Or even just the year it will be in!!! Sometimes i wonder if it would help if they just lie to us and tell us a fake date. Just so we have something to hope for.

I really like the Sky and Solstice.. But reading about the wierd way the truck/top operates, and the fact that when you put the top down, you just about have no trunk space, is highly disappointing.

If we go on a weekend roadtrip with luggage, then we can't bring the top down. Errr..... No room for errands or shopping with the top down either. Which basically means, I won't be able to use this car with the top down. And at least on the Solstice, even using the trunk with the top up sounds annoying.

Which means, this car would be even less pratical than my Camaro, even for just two people?! Not being able to really carry anyhting with the top down for a weekend roadtrip, thats the dealbreaker for me. Its a shame too, cause I'd really like a Sky Redline. In comparison, it sounds like the Miata is able to stow its top down with some usuable trunk space(although not really much either heh).. But I don't want a Miata, unless they significantly up the hp.

With all due repsect, this is not a dumb post and your response is (IMO) a little out of line, regardless of a person's post number.

His post is that someone is going to buy a brand new car to tide them over till a Camaro arrives.

Here's your point:

...(I) am a huge Camaro fan but I am also very interested in the Solstice GXP because I don't like where the Camaro's styling and market is heading and without delving hard into the numbers yet, the Solstice could have a better weight to power ratio that the 5th gen.

Point #1:
You don't like the styling and direction of the next Camaro, and you are intrested in the Solstice.

I want a new Camaro...I'm not waiting until 201x for the 6th gen, and after waiting 20 years....I'm getting tired of waiting on GM in general. Pat yourself on the back if you want, I don't want to lower my standard of living to support the home team's lack of product.

Point #2:
You don't want to wait a long time, so you are going to buy something else instead.


Nowhere in your post do you say you are going to buy a new Solstice (or anything) simply to "Tide you over" till the 5th gen arrives. Instead, you bring up 2 very logical, realistic, and understandable points. You don't like the 5th gen Camaro, and you don't want to wait for the 6th gen.




I may have been a bit harsh on the fellow, and it has nothing to do with his post count (anyone remember Redzed or Buickman???).

But.....

* To buy a Sky to hold you over till the 5th gen arrives?
* To say "..given there is not approval yet and we have not seen an official prototype convertible" who's going to buy a Saturn Sky instead?

Hell, the new bigger Chevy Malibu is going to be in showrooms in less than 12 months. Anyone here heard of an "approval' or "announcement", or seen any "official" prototypes save the pics Chris took just last week, or even seen a version in an auto show???

How long was it before unveiling before you heard any Corvette announcement or saw any official prototypes?? Ford never officially announced the new Mustang. The Mustang concept came out a mere 18 months before production start.

How many times has Fbodfather, Bob Lutz, Rick Wagoner, Ed Welburn, and others have all but hit people over the heads with 2X4s in hinting that they are going to make the Camaro??

Name just one car any automaker has given this many clues, hints, test drives of concepts, extensive interviews and booking of concepts,..... or name just one concept that was made in duplicate so it could be shown at 2 auto shows at once! How many concepts came with their own detailed CAD of the inner structure???!

For Chrissake!!! I guess some people actually NEED to be beaten over the head with 2X4s and kicked in groin before they actually get a clue. :lol:

Guy, one point:

You point out the absurdity, but our own Chris Frezza did exactly that -- bought a brand new two-seat sports car to tide himself over while he waited for the Camaro. It happened to be a C6, but still.

Personally, I'd seriously consider a Sky Redline in my future. Just as seriously as a 5th gen. My only concern is that the Redline/GXP's exhaust is going to have to sound better than the base Sky/Solstice exhaust, which sounds like poo IMO. I couldn't buy a fun, sporty little car like that if it didn't have a good exhaust note.

In my case, though, I'm not "cross-shopping," as it were... I might buy one, I might buy the other, and I might buy both.

This would be a few years down the road... I'm not in the financial shape to pick up two new-car payments at this point. :)

Both cars mention evoke an emotional response from the buyer, and both cars are new, and many people like to be the first to be seen in them. I had no problem finding used 350Zs a few months after they came out, because the people that just want to be seen in a new car for attention trade it in for something else months down the line. If this was, say an Impala versus Camaro debate, I could agree with what you have said Guy. However, as JakeRobb mentioned, there are people that don't cross shop on in the brackets that the auto market research has suggested. Chris Frezza was a good example.

I am not one to hold on to a car for very long. I have had my 4th gen for 3 years, far longer than any other car I have had, and it largely has to do with finances at the moment. If I was going to buy a new car in the near future, I would definetly check out the Sky Redline at the very least, and probably would consider trading it in when the 5th gen comes out. So to answer the original poster's question, yes I have thought about it.

I'd buy a Solstice or a Sky if I had a vagina between my legs.

It's a very strange comparison and yet I see it being somewhat valid. I'm terribly afraid that the pony car is dead and will be replaced by cars that are simply too big and heavy. If the entire market is nothing but heavy retro themed cars than the market simply doesn't exist to me anymore and I have to find a new type of car to bleed on. It has to be RWD. It has to have a manual transmission. It has to perform. I always thought it had to be V8 powered but if that isn't possible what is left? I'd like to simply make the move to Corvette but I have to be financially responsible so this may mean waiting for a few more years.

I like the basic architecture of the Solstice/Sky and they are attractively styled. The thought of a four banger makes me cringe though.

If the Camaro's a pig or just doesn't fit the mold I would desperately want a middle ground. Actually maybe that'd kick ass if the Camaro's not so great, the Solstice is too small, and so Pontiac releases a Firebird based on a slightly larger Kappa derivative with V8 power :D

After always being passionate about f-bodies it's a weird position to be in :irk:

I'd buy a Solstice or a Sky if I had a vagina between my legs.

What about when a turbo solstice/sky owner puts an exhaust on and gets a tune and shows you some tail lights? Or when they upgrade the turbo and run out of site from you? Just a thought.

Jon

This is not an outlandish question.

For many people an f-body is a second car, something fun to drive on the weekends. It does not have to do primary people mover duties. A toy, if you will. In that respect, a Kappa is a reasonable substitute for a Camaro. Check out the Kappa forums and take note of how many f-body owners you see there, I think you'll be surprised. There are thousands of GM enthusiasts out there with nothing affordable to pique their interest now that the f-bodies are gone, and it seems the Kappas (and also the CTS) has taken up some of that slack.

Personally I'd love an F5 to replace my F4, but I can't wait that long and the retro styling doesn't do it for me. Hopefully the GTO doesn't suffer the same lack of imagination as the Camaro. So what else is there in the GM stable that's fun and RWD to tide me over until then? Yep, a turbo Kappa.

Well said. I want a camaro so bad i cant stand it. But if i'm looking at 3+ years of waiting then then theres no way that i could continue driving my 00 camaro much longer (and i didn't). I take great care of my vehicles, but almost 10 years on a daily driver is pushing it for me.

4 or 5 years with the same car is pushing it for me. LOL I hate driving the same car over 3 years.


I just wish GM would just tell us SOMETHING. Just a release month. Or even just the year it will be in!!! Sometimes i wonder if it would help if they just lie to us and tell us a fake date. Just so we have something to hope for.

This I agree with wholeheartedly (well, not the lying to us part). I'm tired of driving the Aveo and really would like to know how long I have to wait for a new Camaro... Otherwise I'd be happy to get a new vehicle now and drive it the next 3 years if I have to wait that long anyway.

Actually, i really want a 5th gen. But after 6 months got tired of waiting for the new camaro and bought the 'balt. But then again, i'm 20 and have the attention span of a goldfish.:shock: You sound just like my 20 year old. :lol:

But i disagree, i'm finding that many former camaro owners are taking great interest in the solstice and sky. Its exciting, fast, and RWD. Not to mention you get a car that has the looks of a viper with the price of cobalt. And you can go buy one right now.

Now i'm gonna go hide from the ensuing "guionM barrage" that is sure to come. j/k ;)I have to agree with you. I love the Sky/Solstice and if I were in the market for that type of car, I'd buy one. I also think the Cobalt SS is cool too. I'd even consider the GTO at this point.

But then I look out in my driveway. There sits my 1995 Z28 with less than 53K miles on it and its all paid off. This would be my "trade-in" if I were to buy a new car. (Hell I have four cars now, so I'd have to get rid of at least one. :D ) None of these new cars, except for maybe the GTO come anywhere close to my 11 year old Camaro in terms of performance and fun-factor. So why should I go into debt, just because I long for a new ride?

No sir, I want a new Camaro and that's what I am buying. And I'm not getting it when it first comes out either. I'm waiting for the Z28. I figure my 1995 Z28 will do until then... if not... I can always drive my 1967 Camaro. :D

well... me and my brother were going to get a Sky RL... then we were on the fence about maybe getting a Vette... now I am 98% sure we will be getting a CTS-V...

so it may seem ridiculous to compare certain cars, but it gets done.

Guy, one point:

You point out the absurdity, but our own Chris Frezza did exactly that -- bought a brand new two-seat sports car to tide himself over while he waited for the Camaro. It happened to be a C6, but still.

Personally, I'd seriously consider a Sky Redline in my future. Just as seriously as a 5th gen. My only concern is that the Redline/GXP's exhaust is going to have to sound better than the base Sky/Solstice exhaust, which sounds like poo IMO. I couldn't buy a fun, sporty little car like that if it didn't have a good exhaust note.

In my case, though, I'm not "cross-shopping," as it were... I might buy one, I might buy the other, and I might buy both.

This would be a few years down the road... I'm not in the financial shape to pick up two new-car payments at this point. :)

Willing to bet that Chris won't be trading in his C6 for a Camaro. :)

Chris, correct me if I'm wrong, but you really wanted that C6.
Come on... Admit it... It's more than just a temporary ride... isn't it?? ;) :lol:

I'd buy a Solstice or a Sky if I had a vagina between my legs.

So ya bought a Solstice, huh?

well... me and my brother were going to get a Sky RL... then we were on the fence about maybe getting a Vette... now I am 98% sure we will be getting a CTS-V...

so it may seem ridiculous to compare certain cars, but it gets done.

But isn't that CTS-V is something you want based on it's own merit?

It's common for someone to start out intending to buy one car but then move to something more practical when they actually get close to actually buying. Starting at a Solstice then migrating to a 4 door performance sedan is far more likely than starting with a CTSv then ending up with a Solstice.

But isn't that CTS-V is something you want based on it's own merit?

It's common for someone to start out intending to buy one car but then move to something more practical when they actually get close to actually buying. Starting at a Solstice then migrating to a 4 door performance sedan is far more likely than starting with a CTSv then ending up with a Solstice.
Yes, correct, just pointing out that cross shopping cars that seem to have nothing in common happens more than I thought..

well 3.6 cts to impala ss I can understand, but the base vette to mustang seems to happen alot too...

well... me and my brother were going to get a Sky RL... then we were on the fence about maybe getting a Vette... now I am 98% sure we will be getting a CTS-V...

Really make sure that is what you want. I would only get it if you have to have 4 seats. Sure they're fast, not they're not corvette. Not to mention regular bolt ons are 2-3 times the price as an f-body or corvette. They wheel hop BAD, and some go through rearends like crazy.

It was between a C5 corvette, CTS-V ,and a RL Sky for us. Well we didn't want to wait for the Sky, and since the C6 was out we didn't want an old corvette. So we got a V. Which is cool as hell, but you don't get that much attention in it. People just don't know what it is. Stock they run about even with LS1 f-bodys. IF it spins any it will sound like the car is falling apart due to the hop. And the list goes on. It seems to be a half assed effort by GM to make performance luxury. Although I've been told that it handles better than alot of performance cars, but thats not my thing.

I'd buy a Solstice or a Sky if I had a vagina between my legs.

Funny, many people think automatics are for people with vaginas between their legs. It will also be pretty funny when a Sky with a few bolt ons and boost turned up leaves your old LT1 Camaro.

4 or 5 years with the same car is pushing it for me. LOL I hate driving the same car over 3 years.

You and me both.

Really make sure that is what you want. I would only get it if you have to have 4 seats. Sure they're fast, not they're not corvette. Not to mention regular bolt ons are 2-3 times the price as an f-body or corvette. They wheel hop BAD, and some go through rearends like crazy.

we know all about it... we are prepared for everything. Madman should be releasing their rear end for it within a year or 2... we will take it easy on the rear end until then, and not drive the thing hard at low speeds.. we have done ALOT of research, we definately know what we are getting into!

The guy who is selling it had no idea there were updates to do to the car, still has stock diff.

but thanks for the help nonetheless! hate to be someone stepping in with no idea!

I've thought of keeping my Camaro and buying a Sky redline, or Solstace GXP. I will always need a muscle car of some kind in the garage.

I've never been a fan of any of the turbo 4 cylinder engine though. I like displacement, and the turbo 4's require gearing that typically hurt them for fuel economy so they suffer in fuel economy for the amount of power they put out in my opinion. I like the fact that you can put the 8 cylinder in 6th gear at 1500 rpm and cruise the highways/interstate. Plus it's less wear and tear on the accessories, all the time.

Dan

we know all about it... we are prepared for everything. Madman should be releasing their rear end for it within a year or 2...

Hopefully he should be done with it soon, they're just waiting on stronger axles. If you haven't already done so you should check out CTS-V forum (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum/)

Hopefully he should be done with it soon, they're just waiting on stronger axles. If you haven't already done so you should check out CTS-V forum (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum/)
my brother visits there quite often :)

we actually have the car we are looking to buy outside right now, guy gave it to us for a test drive for the weekend.

we are going to try to get it for $30k....

anyway, sorry to steal the thread, thanks for your help though JonCR96z

we actually have the car we are looking to buy outside right now, guy gave it to us for a test drive for the weekend.

I'd like to know how some people manage that. I've NEVER been given the option to take a car for the weekend Nor have my parents or friends. Or anyone I know for that matter.

And, with the exception of my most recent looking into a new vehicle, I've always purchased them on a Saturday.

It's bad enough some dealers have to ride in the car with you on a test drive. I've only found 2 that would allow someone to test drive the car alone/where you want to. (1 Chevy 1 NIssan) When I mentioned to one Chevy dealer that another local dealer allows you to take the car by yourself they seemed absolutely shocked a dealership would allow such a thing and said 'they must have a really good insurance policy'.

If no new Camaros are ready by '09, I might opt for a Mustang instead. Simply put, the car needs to have a back seat. Even as a single guy, there are times when I need to transport more than one passenger.

That said, I like the Solstace and the Sky... they're just not what I'm looking for.

EllwynX -

its a private party seller. salesman here always ride with you, but lower population=them not caring how fast or how hard you push a vehicle.

EllwynX -

its a private party seller. salesman here always ride with you, but lower population=them not caring how fast or how hard you push a vehicle.

I've actually heard of the rare person that was allowed to take the car for a weekend even when it was from a dealer. I've never understood how they managed that was all. LOL I'd like to try out the car for the weekend before I make a final decision.

I hate having the dealer ride with me. I don't beat on the car if they don't. But I can choose what roads to test it on, and can get a better feel for it when I don't have someone looking over my shoulder.

Interesting responses. I am aware that we are talking about two different types of cars in true form, but really they aren't that far apart from a driver's car sense. Both are performance oriented and represent great bang for the buck. I tought I'd ask relative to the fact that some may not be able to wait, or they may not be able to afford the car and insurance on the Camaro(V8) vs SolsticeGXP/Sky Redline(T I-4). Hopefully we get some indication if may of us wait, or go after something else soon.

I know I'm gonna sound like a pri*k, but this is ridiculous bordering on dumb. :rolleyes: :no:

...rant...

But upon reading the heading: "Camaro vs Sky" (my reaction: :confused: ), then seeing the opening post ask who's gonna buy a Sky to hold them over till Camaro arrives (my reaction: "this guy simply can't be serious...), either there's alot of millionaires stopping by the site, or the reality quotent is starting to dip quite a bit around here. :(

I guess that's one way to look at it. But if you're a GM die-hard, interested in buying a new (affordable) car, want something sporty and rwd, and aren't hamstrung by driving a two-seater--why is considering a Solstice/Sky and being a potential 5th gen owner later so inconceivable?

A new Camaro may be available in MY08 (late) or MY09 at the earliest and there's the possibility that some like to skip a first year car (there may even be a staggered model introduction--different V8s, convertible, etc. in second year--now you're talking MY09/10/11), so I'm sure many on here may be or already are "filling time" until a new Camaro. I imagine many people in this "enthusiast" community swap out cars every 3-5 years anyways. Besides, if you think someone eyeing a Sky and liking Camaros is that crazy, hit the <-Back button on your browser.

I figure my 1995 Z28 will do until then... if not... I can always drive my 1967 Camaro. :D


I so hate you :bow:

But seriously yea i do agree. I think the cobalt will hold down the fort until i can get some positive equity on it for a trade in.