would GM take the camaro to nurburgring?

We seen GM take a lot of cars to nurburgring to do suspension research. Now... i hope that GM does it to the Camaro.. and spend some time in there.. it would be a GREAT advertisement stunt.

The new CAMARO... suspension tuned on european grounds, porwertrain by american muscle, designed to take on the world. :bow:

there is an idea Scott, a simple ;) will do thought. lol

I hope they do that.

I also hope they offer a package that will qualify for head to head F stock autocross competition. It appears the new Mustang has the F4 covered, and if the entry level V8 is the LS2, the F5 will probably end up in a tougher class.

I have no idea if they will, but I wish they would. We would be guaranteed pics and videos of it in development and action. I have been following the new CTS over there and it looks like it will be an improvement over the last model. I am hoping the CTS-V will taunt that 450-500hp level and make me think twice about getting a Camaro in 2008/9.

The new CAMARO... suspension tuned on european grounds, porwertrain by american muscle, designed to take on the world. :bow:



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the Nissan Camaro??? :confused: :o :( :cry: lol

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Executives at GM want to be able to ``stand up and say, `We're getting better and we don't need Nissan or Renault,''' said Dennis Virag, president of the Automotive Consulting Group Inc. in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

Kerkorian, the fourth-largest owner of GM stock, has privately expressed dissatisfaction with the speed of turnaround efforts at GM, and he believes a three-way tie-up could restore long-term profits, a person familiar with his strategy said earlier this month.

Kerkorian, 89, controls 9.9 percent of GM's shares through his Tracinda Corp. He discussed the alliance with Carlos Ghosn, chief executive of Nissan and Renault, before formally broaching the subject June 30 in letters to GM, Renault and Nissan.

Nissan yesterday posted a 26 percent drop in first-quarter operating profit due in part to U.S. sales, which fell 11 percent in the period. Renault is set to report earnings tomorrow for the first half of 2006.

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Personally, I would LOVE if GM put some serious R&D into the handling aspect of this car. What is the argument from peeps that don't dig on american muscle? That's right, 'You can go fast in a straight line, but, I'll kill you in the corners with my moms Corolla!"

I bet LOTS of money that they will. Heck they tested the CTS, STS, VE cars, Cobalt SS, Ion Redline, and TB SS on it why not your full out muscle car that has been given more press than any product launch in history?!

We seen GM take a lot of cars to nurburgring to do suspension research. Now... i hope that GM does it to the Camaro.. and spend some time in there.. it would be a GREAT advertisement stunt.

The new CAMARO... suspension tuned on european grounds, porwertrain by american muscle, designed to take on the world. :bow:

there is an idea Scott, a simple ;) will do thought. lol

Do you really think they would do Cobalt SS, Corvette & Z06, Ion Redline, the CTS & CTSv, STS & STSv, and a whole host of other vehicles and not the Camaro or at least a version of it???

Also, Camaro doesn't take on the world outside of our hemisphere. Unlike the Mustang, Corvette, and Viper, it hasn't been sold around the world. At the 75" width of the new one, it's not going to be sold around the world (save maybe Australia and the Middle East) as either. And who in the world is the Camaro going to take on?? BMW?? Mercedes?? It's going to be a fantastic handling American muscle coupe, but it's not going to be a Corvette Z06 on the track... the only car that actually does take on the world successfully.

As for it being an advertizing stunt, a stunt is something done just for publicity. Doing that for Camaro would be pretty lame IMO. The Camaro (like GM's other vehicles tested there) should be done to improve the car's handling dynamics.

I don't see Nurburgring being thrown around to sell Cobalt SS let alone the Z06 Corvette and CTSv. GM throwing around Nurburgring would be a pathetic way of selling Camaros.

Camaro should be sold based on it's abilities, due to the hard work of GM engineers on Camaro's IRS and component caliberations and structure rigidity, and not resort to something as cheesey as touting a particular track as a sales gimmick.

I strongly suspect Scott agrees.

Do you really think they would do Cobalt SS, Corvette & Z06, Ion Redline, the CTS & CTSv, STS & STSv, and a whole host of other vehicles and not the Camaro or at least a version of it???

As for it being an advertizing stunt, a stunt is something done just for publicity. Doing that for Camaro would be pretty lame IMO. The Camaro (like GM's other vehicles tested there) should be done to improve the car's handling dynamics.

I don't see Nurburgring being thrown around to sell Cobalt SS let alone the Z06 Corvette and CTSv. GM throwing around Nurburgring would be a pathetic way of selling Camaros.

Camaro should be sold based on it's abilities, due to the hard work of GM engineers on Camaro's IRS and component caliberations and structure rigidity, and not resort to something as cheesey as touting a particular track as a sales gimmick.

I strongly suspect Scott agrees.

I am saying it.. not to do it only as a publicity thing... i did said "Now... i hope that GM does it to the Camaro.. and spend some time in there". For a publicity only stunt all it would take is to photoshop or photoshoot the camaro at the track... I was just bring it up as a discussion thing. Don't need to get so up beat about it. Just the fact that the camaro would be testing there would bring publicity regardless. Is a win win situation.. and I was tired of reading what engine is gonna go in it... so i wanted to change the talk a bit. Relax man :) :p

At the 75" width of the new one, it's not going to be sold around the world (save maybe Australia and the Middle East) as either. And who in the world is the Camaro going to take on?? BMW?? Mercedes?? It's going to be a fantastic handling American muscle coupe, but it's not going to be a Corvette Z06 on the track... the only car that actually does take on the world successfully.

my guess was 74" based on the Commadore. You know that its not going to be sold around the world? I thought the red car went to Europe earlier for what I assumed was to gauge European reaction. Camaro taking on BMW!!!! Thats going to be sweet!

Camaro should be sold based on it's abilities, due to the hard work of GM engineers on Camaro's IRS and component caliberations and structure rigidity, and not resort to something as cheesey as touting a particular track as a sales gimmick.

I strongly suspect Scott agrees.

I don't see how Scott, or anyone in his position since I don't know him, could possibly agree with that. GM is going through a transformation right now. What better way to do that than show the world, or US for that matter, that they are building world-class cars, whether or not they intend to sell them to Germany....they need US buyers to believe they are not sub-par.

I personally don't see any better way than to accomplish the above statement, than to prove the car around a world-famous track that has recently become somewhat of a marker on which to judge the handling and performance of a car for the world to see.

If GM really wants to flaunt the IRS and handling of this car, and shove it in the face of Ford, who shelved their IRS in the Mustang, then they can expliot it at the 'ring.

GM needs to salvage the perception of what a Camaro is, and the trailer-park mullet wearing image can be put to rest quickly if the car handles as well as it goes in a straight line.

Of couse, I'm a big fan of European Cars as well having owned in the past 5 years an E36 M3 Dinan, E46 328Ci SP, Audi S4, and Lotus Esprit. Having been in those circles, I can assure you that many of that crowd would entertain the new Camaro if it was proven to be more than a stoplight racer. It certainly has the looks to draw those people, let's see if the rest of the package can seal the deal.

Guy, that sounds like the 1990's GM talking, to me.

Chevy already has an image with a Camaro name. It reaks of skany white trash trailers and mullets and a first cousin with wings. Its also been labeled a "straight-line-only" car even before it comes to life, IRS or no.

So why try to prove to the world that certian Camaros have always had some sort of handling capabilities when Chevy could ADD TO the image by testing the car at the 'Ring. And I dont mean a car like it... I mean a car with "CAMARO" in BIG letters on the quarters!

Let's show the World what we got!

I am also glad to hear someone else talk about the handling!!!

This car BETTER out handle the old 4th Gen because they SUCK :(

My wife's Camary handles better.

Come on, we all know it WILL have plenty of power, but I want it to out handle most cars out there, and it should.

Chevrolet, with the 5th Gen, should get back into the SCCA Trans-Am
Racing!!! Come on Chevy :) :) :)

I am also glad to hear someone else talk about the handling!!!

This car BETTER out handle the old 4th Gen because they SUCK :(

My wife's Camary handles better.

Your wife is probably just a better driver.:p What did you have, 250,000 miles on your original shocks when you made the comparison? :confused:

I don't see Nurburgring being thrown around to sell Cobalt SS let alone the Z06 Corvette and CTSv. GM throwing around Nurburgring would be a pathetic way of selling Camaros.


On the CTS-V (XLR-V and STS-V as well) they throw the Nurburgring around alot. I am looking at the 2006 V packet from Cadillac and page 4 is all about the testing done there. It has been mentioned in Cadillac commercials and on real automobile TV shows such as Top Gear (man I love that show).

The Z06 is not the only world competitor, the Cadillac V series is as well. I am not saying the V cars are better than M, AMG and S/RS, but give them credit for competing. I would take a CTS-V over a S4, M3 or E/CLK series AMG, however I would never take a Cadillac over a M5, M6, RS4 or CL/SL/CLS series AMG.

If GM does test their Camaro in Germany, than I would use the heck out of that. This is a place where Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, Alfa Romeo, Maseratti, Bently, Cadillac and whole bunch of others test theirs and everyone knows it through direct or indirect marketing.

Another benefit is for the younger generation. The Nurburgring is featured in various XBOX, Play Station and Nintendo racing games. You can figure out that connection, because it is all about perception.

Scott my input is - Testing the Camaro on the Nurburgring is a good idea and if you do it, let it be know.

Even though I'm getting of everyone's obcession with "ring" times, there is a reason why everyone tests there, it's the track that has anything you want on it. I don't care if the powers that be promote the ring time when the car debuts but I think it would be in their interest to do some work there so they can get the maximum out of the car.

Side note...for anyone that hasn't seen the ringn outside of GT4, I highly recomend the video with Stefan Roser in the late 80's Ruf Yellowbird, it's on the net and it's quite exciting

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Actually, it'll be Le Camaro and Le Corvette :D

I think you'll see less of GM using the Nurburgring for testing its vehicles, at least in the earlier stages of development. First, it's very expensive to send vehicles and hordes of engineers over to Germany for extended periods of time. Second, it's difficult to keep vehicles hidden from public view. Third, GM recently opened its Milford Road Course (aka Lutz Ring) that's been partially modelled after the Nurburgring, so they can get much of the same benefit without leaving home

Isn't the camaro going to be on a global platform?
If so, I betcha it or its derivatives will get some tuning on
the 'ring.

I know it's been touring the US since the NAIAS, so I'm not sure when it will go over there. Here's a webcam link to the pits at the Nurburgring in case some of you want to see it. I think it's updated every minute.

http://www.nuerburgring.de/fileadmin/webcam/webcam.jpg

I'm going to try to take my family camping at the ring when I return from the sand box. That is going to be freaken awesome!

This car BETTER out handle the old 4th Gen because they SUCK :(

My wife's Camary handles better.

Something is wrong with your car then.