5th gen size poll.

Size poll. Pick one.

i expect it to be less wide, and a bit taller.. but length and wheelbase to be the same

I dunno. What dimension are you referring to in size? I don't really want to see the height of the car increase any more than it has to.

same overall dimensions but i would like to see the front and rear bumpers lean out a bit, makes the car look stubby.

I haven't had the fortune of seeing it in person, so I can't really say objectively. I expect the roofline to be raised based on what I've been hearing, but other than that, I like how it looks as is.

same overall dimensions but i would like to see the front and rear bumpers lean out a bit, makes the car look stubby.would prefer em to stay the way they are. dont need the overhang. besides look at any camaro after 74 till 02. everyone of those things had overhang. i thinks its ugly. prefer em sitting flush.

Size poll. Pick one.

I think the concept is a little wide, if thats what you mean but increase in other areas. Overal I think it will be the same size when everything is added up.

I don't know how to answer that question. I want the Concept

I'd really like to see the width come doesn to 3rd gen/4th gen size. From talking to a few people who race, if the car gets too wide it can feel sluggish or "un-nimble" dispite the numbers it'll post. Maybe this is why John Heinricy (sp?) was/is arguing for a narrower car? Plus, I'd like it to fit on my trailer eventually.

The length seems OK, the cowl seems a little high tho. I dunno, in person and in pics from too many angles it looks more like a 2-door sedan than a proper sports car/coupe.

I can't understand anyone wanting it taller. It's already 53 inches tall, taller than a 3rd or 4th gen, as tall as a 1st gen. If you need it taller, why not buy a sport truck?

Although...you can build this one as-is and make all the 'get it right' changes on the 6th gen.

One last thing....it's gotta be light!

If anything smaller = lighter = less frontal area, etc. so if it has to go either way smaller is the best IMO.

I really hope it doesn't get taller...It's already way too tall :irk:

You forgot one optional answer...

"Stay exactly as it is now."

I think it's perfect as is, so I can't answer in this poll.

If it gets taller and narrower, that's going to suck bigtime. If that is the way it is going to be, I wish they hadn't teased us with that beautiful, brutal, rolling sex that is the concept.

They have to fix something to make sure that people larger than 5'-9" can fit in it without touching the headliner, like a Hot Rod author did.

They have to fix something to make sure that people larger than 5'-9" can fit in it without touching the headliner, like a Hot Rod author did.
lower seats ;).

lower seats ;).

How low would you have them go? the head rest is just above the belt line in the official pics. I didnt pay attention to how high the seats were when I saw it.

I dont care about physical size. They can make it as big as they want if they can still keep the weight down. I'm REALLY hoping for a *<3500 lb car...really doubt it will happen though. :(

lower seats ;).

And don't sit in it like you're sitting at the dinner table... All the pics I've seen of someone sitting in the concept have had them sitting FAR more upright than I'd ever sit in my car.

A sporty vehicle should have a moderately laid back seating position. Otherwise you might as well get a sedan.

I'm 6'3" and have no trouble fitting in my 49" tall IROC. The concept is a lot taller. I just don't see why they can't work that out without raising the roof!

Haha, raise the roof... Haven't heard that in years... Thanks god...

Although I have not seen the car in person, I would expect it to be a little narrower. It looks very wide, especially when parked next to a 69 Camaro.

Probably not going to get the car any shorter without sacrificing space somewhere (engine bay? trunk?) and we don't want the engine back inside the car like it was in the 4th-gens!:rolleyes: But the width of the car seems excessive:shrug:. I mean, as it is, my '02 can be a b!tch to park and get both doors open (even just to the 1st "position" they open to). The doors on the concept certainly don't look any shorter than any other year of Camaro, so with that in mind, the car really can't afford to be any wider than all previous Camaros, otherwise it'll be the most impractical "grocery getter" around:( (and we NEED it to be a car that appeals to the masses as an "everyday, grocery getter" ............just with a lot of power;)).

I'd like 4 people that are 6' tall to be able to ride in it for 2-3 hours comfortably and the weight to be no more than 3600lbs.

Since I don't know the exact dimensions of the concept, I can't say what it would need to change. There are regulations though on the measurements from the occupants to the top of the windshield and A-pillar, etc.

I used to own a Lotus Esprit, and the main reason that car is no longer available, is because Lotus had an exemption for years regarding the minimum distance the top of the windshield/A-pillar is from the occupants heads. That exemption was not renewed after many years, which is part of the reason why the car is now gone. Of course, that car was only 43" high. ;)

Gotta agree with EllwynX mention on the previous page.... need a "as is" choice on the size.

I don't think there's anything you can do to the car size-wise without screwing it up.

You can't shorten it. Shorten it and you have to take it out of the wheelbase which will:
a) take away interior room, or...
b) upset the proportions of the car.

Can't really cut the width of the car. You'd lose that sinister, evil look that the with of the car works with the design to give it the look of something drawn in Satan's workshop.


Personally, I'd prefer a G35 sized coupe with a LS2. Small, nimble size.

However, there's 2 things wrong with my ideal sized coupe.

First, it wouldn't sell. Mustang and Monte Carlo are pretty good size... and pretty much own the coupe market between them.

Secondly, and just as important, the G35 coupe at 3500 pounds for a V6 has no weight advantage because of its size. Most of a vehicle's weight is due to the components that are attached to the structure, not the structure itself (a common misconception). Drivetrain, safety stuff, comfort stuff, power stuff and servo motors, etc...

It's very likely that a Camaro the size of the concept would weigh about the same as a Camaro the size of a G35 coupe. The concept has more interior space compared to the G35 with little additional weight. a big selling point here in the US of A.

Personally, I'd prefer a G35 sized coupe with a LS2. Small, nimble size.



from what i'm reading of the specs.. the concept car is only 4" longer than the G35 coupe, the wheelbase is actually shorter..

the camaro is however, about 8" wider than the G35.. but the G35 is almost 2" taller than the camaro

I'd like 4 people that are 6' tall to be able to ride in it for 2-3 hours comfortably and the weight to be no more than 3600lbs.

Im 6'3" and would love to help! :cool: And I definately dont think a couple inches thinner would ruin the look.

I'd like 4 people that are 6' tall to be able to ride in it for 2-3 hours comfortably and the weight to be no more than 3600lbs.
hahahahahahaaaaa. you seriously think they are going to be able to fit a 6' person comforatably in the back seat?

hahahahahahaaaaa. you seriously think they are going to be able to fit a 6' person comforatably in the back seat?

what he said.. if thats a huuge deal :) camaro isnt choice for DD....

Capture every ounce of the evilness the concept possessed in a slightly smaller package please . The fender openings and the bulges over them look to be designed to accomdate those WAY too big 21/22" wheels . It will be interesting to see how the design transfers in a narrower package with appropriately sizes wheels and wheel well openings . Just going to a 18" wheel I think will give the car all the lowering it needs .

I hope BL was kidding when he said at the intoduction , the wheels would be scaled down to more appropriately size , then he said probably a 20" ......still way to big imo .

You forgot one optional answer...

"Stay exactly as it is now."

I think it's perfect as is, so I can't answer in this poll.

The production car won't be "exactly as it is now".

I saw it at the show. 10% smaller would do the car well. Smaller cars are in. I have never understood why the 4th gen is so large. To be fair the 4th gen isn't heavy considering how big it is; there's just no excuse for its length.

Camaro will compete against not just Mustang, but IS350, J35, and Boxster. Big is out of style.

Camaro will compete against not just Mustang, but IS350, J35, and Boxster. Big is out of style.

We've been through this. It won't compete in any real sense of the word with any of those, save maybe the J35 because you made that up. :p

Unless you were talking about this.
http://www.ssb6.net/users/20645/dsp_j1.jpg

Which it definetly won't compete with.

i expect it to be less wide, and a bit taller.. but length and wheelbase to be the same

Agreed

Can anyone explain why it should/needs to be taller than 53 inches? :confused:

IMO anything taller is in the territory of a crossover or tall sedan, most definately NOT a sports car/coupe.

Can anyone explain why it should/needs to be taller than 53 inches? :confused:

IMO anything taller is in the territory of a crossover or tall sedan, most definately NOT a sports car/coupe.

I sure as heck can't...Really, I'm almost 6'1" and I have no headroom problems in my 4th gen...I've never had a problem in any 3rd gen either. As has been mentioned before, the pics taken of the concept with people in it would make it appear that they are either sitting abnormally upright and/or the seats are set way high. If the car gets any taller it's just going to look really weird to me and what about center of gravity?... I don't want my Camaro to handle like an SUV. I think the real problem here is that the entire car is just designed to be much more upright than the 3rd and 4th gens both in it's physical form and also how the occupants are situated in it...Either way, that's no good to me and it looks like it will only get worse with the production model. I can tell you that if you sit anywhere near as high in the new Camaro as you would in a GTO I really won't enjoy driving one, it just won't feel right :(

The production car won't be "exactly as it is now".

Most likely not, but the Poll is for what would you 'prefer'.

I'm sure many, if not most, would prefer it stay exactly as it is.

Most likely not, but the Poll is for what would you 'prefer'.

I'm sure many, if not most, would prefer it stay exactly as it is.

Oh dear Lord please help me. Why can't I just once post a poll without someone saying I wish I had a different choice?

This is purposely a forced choice.

If it is a forced choice, than I would choose smaller, because smallerl usually equates to lighter. Plus, I don't want to see the Camaro's height grow to Mustang like levels. It amazes me how tall some of the new cars out on the road are.

Oh dear Lord please help me. Why can't I just once post a poll without someone saying I wish I had a different choice?

This is purposely a forced choice.

Actually, it's not a forced choice since I can choose not to participate.

BUT If my life depended on choosing one of the 2 choices, I have to say I'd go against the majority.

I voted slightly larger.

Because I can't see the size being reduced without causing too many aesthetic(sp?) changes or alterations being made.

We've been through this. It won't compete in any real sense of the word with any of those, save maybe the J35 because you made that up. :p

Unless you were talking about this.
http://www.ssb6.net/users/20645/dsp_j1.jpg

Which it definetly won't compete with.


Why not? They're all 2+2 sports cars aren't they? I know people who have gone to the Infinity from Mustangs and Camaros.

Why not? They're all 2+2 sports cars aren't they? I know people who have gone to the Infinity from Mustangs and Camaros.

No.

The IS is sedan only, Boxster is a 2 seater. None of those offer a V8.

While superficially similiar all of those cars have radically different personalities and are extremely different values. No one is going to be up late deciding whether they are going to buy a Chevrolet or a Porsche.

No.

The IS is sedan only, Boxster is a 2 seater. None of those offer a V8.

While superficially similiar all of those cars have radically different personalities and are extremely different values. No one is going to be up late deciding whether they are going to buy a Chevrolet or a Porsche.

You don't think anyone every cross shops a Boxster and a Vette?

No.

The IS is sedan only, Boxster is a 2 seater. None of those offer a V8.

While superficially similiar all of those cars have radically different personalities and are extremely different values. No one is going to be up late deciding whether they are going to buy a Chevrolet or a Porsche.


Not everybody judges a car on the number of cylinders it has. Performance and an overall enjoyable experience are big factors. The *** sixes are impressive performers. Also, I'm not in the least bit impressed by the Boxster and can easily see choosing a loaded SS over it. I would however consider an IS350 with a bit more HP.

We can't judge the new Camaro's "personality" because it hasn't even been made yet. I don't expect that, at least from a handling and road manners standpoint, it will have very much in common with the 4th gen cars. IRS, 100hp more, and a foot shorter with far less aerodynamics will definitely make for a different drive at 100mph on the track.

Oh dear Lord please help me. Why can't I just once post a poll without someone saying I wish I had a different choice?

This is purposely a forced choice.

I think the change I want most in dimensions would be thinner.

You don't think anyone every cross shops a Boxster and a Vette?

Hell no.

Not everybody judges a car on the number of cylinders it has. Performance and an overall enjoyable experience are big factors. The *** sixes are impressive performers. Also, I'm not in the least bit impressed by the Boxster and can easily see choosing a loaded SS over it. I would however consider an IS350 with a bit more HP.

People who buy performance cars do. They'll also be aware of the difference in driving dynamics between a 400hp V8 a 300hp V6 or a FI car vs an NA one. If you know those driving expiriences then youll also have a favorite, and that will be the car you pick.

You're proving my arguement anyway, A quick trip to Porsches website will show you that the performance on 80% of their vehicles is laughable, people who buy a Porsche, wanted a Porsche. Not a 500hp car. People who buy a Corvette want a Corvette not a 500hp car.

You can "compare" an H1 to a miata if you like. But you aren't comparing the vehicles. You're comparing the genres. Truck vs. Roadster. Well I could haul stuff in the H1 (as you could in any truck) but the miata is a convertible (so are most other roadsters.

Same thing with Camaro vs. IS, Corvette vs Porsche. You're comparing a Performance car to "luxury" car.


We can't judge the new Camaro's "personality" because it hasn't even been made yet. I don't expect that, at least from a handling and road manners standpoint, it will have very much in common with the 4th gen cars. IRS, 100hp more, and a foot shorter with far less aerodynamics will definitely make for a different drive at 100mph on the track.

The fact that is says "Camaro" on it means its personality is set in stone. Of course it will perform differently. It still conjures a very specific image when you hear it, see it, taste it.

The fact that is says "Camaro" on it means its personality is set in stone. Of course it will perform differently. It still conjures a very specific image when you hear it, see it, taste it.

I dont see why Camaro Sport coupe couldnt at least be loosely compared to Lexus IS Luxury sport Sedan. It will definately be compared performance wise and to the 3 Series coupe performance wise on top end models.

And which very specific image were you refering to? 3 box design or hatch back? Jet Fighter or Golden age in your face Style? With all the complete redesigns over the years the only thing that seems set in stone is front engine rear drive V8 4 seater coupe pointed front end, and even those things seamed shaky looking the history of at Nova(80's), Impalla & Monte Carlo(today) and then Baretta was it for Camaro replacement?

You can compare it all you like. However, very few people are going to be loosing sleep deciding whether they want a Camaro or IS 350.

Hell no.

Why not? They are the same kind of car, at the same price point?




People who buy performance cars do. They'll also be aware of the difference in driving dynamics between a 400hp V8 a 300hp V6 or a FI car vs an NA one. If you know those driving expiriences then youll also have a favorite, and that will be the car you pick.

You're proving my arguement anyway, A quick trip to Porsches website will show you that the performance on 80% of their vehicles is laughable, people who buy a Porsche, wanted a Porsche. Not a 500hp car. People who buy a Corvette want a Corvette not a 500hp car.

You can "compare" an H1 to a miata if you like. But you aren't comparing the vehicles. You're comparing the genres. Truck vs. Roadster. Well I could haul stuff in the H1 (as you could in any truck) but the miata is a convertible (so are most other roadsters.

Same thing with Camaro vs. IS, Corvette vs Porsche. You're comparing a Performance car to "luxury" car.



The fact that is says "Camaro" on it means its personality is set in stone. Of course it will perform differently. It still conjures a very specific image when you hear it, see it, taste it.

Your response was to me, but I didn't write any of what you responded to here.

You can compare it all you like. However, very few people are going to be loosing sleep deciding whether they want a Camaro or IS 350.

It would be more of a comparison if there were a 2dr IS. In no way am I saying for the car not to be affordable anymore but at the upper end. My only point was there is alot of market share and company image potential in Camaro at the upper levels that have yet to be unlocked ala M3 competition Z06 style.

It would be more of a comparison if there were a 2dr IS. My only point was there is alot of market potential in Camaro at the upper levels that have yet to be unlocked ala M3 competition Z06 style.

IS coupe may be on the way. Rumor mill say an IS coupe disguised as a sedan has been seen testing.

Why not? They are the same kind of car, at the same price point?

Corvette is 45k and makes 400hp. Boxter is 45k and makes 240hp

If all things were really and truley equal then no one would EVER buy a Porsche. Clearly Porsche is selling something Corvette isn't. Its not performance, its not features...

Its exclusivity, its brand recognition, its perception, its luxury all those things that you can't put a number on, but are of the utmost importance to some people. Those people are the only ones who buy those types of cars, and those are the only types they buy.

Corvette is 45k and makes 400hp. Boxter is 45k and makes 240hp


Um, were you not the one trying to make a point that performance isn't a concern to the buyer? If if you are in fact right, why bring it up in your arguement? You don't think people at the very least cross shop between cars with a like personality and a similar pricepoint? Not every is a Corvette or Porsche fan through and through; some people actually check things out on their own.


If all things were really and truley equal then no one would EVER buy a Porsche. Clearly Porsche is selling something Corvette isn't. Its not performance, its not features...

Its exclusivity, its brand recognition, its perception, its luxury all those things that you can't put a number on, but are of the utmost importance to some people. Those people are the only ones who buy those types of cars, and those are the only types they buy.

Have you actually ever driven a Porsche? On paper they don't perform as well as some of their competitors, but a drive in a Boxster S is a very involving and rewarding pleasure. I know if I was rich, and money was no object, and I had to choose between a C6 z06 and a Porsche 997 911 Turbo, I am taking the Turbo. As fast, if not faster then the Vette, easier to live with on a daily basis (and I don't buy cars to keep them in the garage), and torture tested in some of the coldest places that civilization still springs up.

Um, were you not the one trying to make a point that performance isn't a concern to the buyer? If if you are in fact right, why bring it up in your arguement?

No I was not. He wasn't, I didn't.


You don't think people at the very least cross shop between cars with a like personality and a similar pricepoint? Not every is a Corvette or Porsche fan through and through; some people actually check things out on their own.

Ive said the whole time, no one is staying up late over it.


Have you actually ever driven a Porsche? On paper they don't perform as well as some of their competitors, but a drive in a Boxster S is a very involving and rewarding pleasure. I know if I was rich, and money was no object, and I had to choose between a C6 z06 and a Porsche 997 911 Turbo, I am taking the Turbo. As fast, if not faster then the Vette, easier to live with on a daily basis (and I don't buy cars to keep them in the garage), and torture tested in some of the coldest places that civilization still springs up.

I have no doubt they are fun in their own way. That way however is going to be different from a Corvette. Which is another one of many differences that seperate them in the marketplace although they may be superficially the same type of vehicle.

A Miata is a two seat roadster and they're a blast to drive from what I hear. Optioned out its 30k thats a 15k difference between that a Corvette, about the same difference between a Corvette and a Boxter S but I guarantee you no one is loosing sleep over whether to get a Miata or a Corvette.

Car companies have warehouses full of those little cards you get at the auto show and when you buy a new car that say "How old are you? M/F?" and that data backs up what Im saying. That performance vehicles especially have a very narrow market of buyers who aren't interested in many cars outside the one they are interested in.

Well, I guess there needs to be no revisions to performance for the C7 then, since someone who is going to buy a Vette is only going to buy a Vette, and not at least look around. I have no doubt there are plenty of people out there that have only the desire to buy strictly a Vette, but I know of too many well off people's parents who "would have gone with the Vette, but the SLK was nicer inside."

I don't feel saying people cross shopping a Vette and a Boxster is nearly as much of a stretch as the GT500/Vette thing that went on a month or two ago on here. Do you have the market research on the cars? Maybe Guy will chime in here. He seems to live or die by market research.

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I think it is very possible that someone would cross shop a Boxter and Corvette as they are similar in price. Especially someone who may want an image car instead of sports car that excels in one area or another.

At any rate, I voted smaller mainly cause I wouldn't want it bigger.