Something Camaro fans should follow

You may have already noticed, but Holden has just released the first Zeta platform car - http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/16/20062007-holden-ve-commodore-revealed/

There is talk of bringing this to the US as a Grand Prix, but from what I have read here, this is the foundation of the new Camaro as well. Does have some wimpy engines though :D

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/38-2006-2007-holden-ve-commodore.jpg

Wow that car is beautiful

I'd take one :D .

David

I'm pretty sure that this has been discussed over and over again. ;)

But that is a hot car, and if it comes over as the Grand Prix, my G6 will be getting replaced.

I'm pretty sure that this has been discussed over and over again. ;)

I know it has been discussed, but the first product is about to hit the road (publically finally). Zeta has been mere talk until now, and even though cars on the same architecture can differ by large amounts, this is one of the closests things to a production Camaro. Just something real to keep an eye on, instead of speculation.

very nice car. Looks like the NSX

http://www.allfastcars.com/cars/acura-nsx.jpg

How so?

I like these Holden cars. I think they are clean and modern... almost to a fault though, in the same way you can put a pontiac or buick badge on them and have them look good you could probably put ANY badge on them and have them look good.

You may have already noticed, but Holden has just released the first Zeta platform car - http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/16/20062007-holden-ve-commodore-revealed/

There is talk of bringing this to the US as a Grand Prix, but from what I have read here, this is the foundation of the new Camaro as well. Does have some wimpy engines though :D

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/38-2006-2007-holden-ve-commodore.jpg

Is that a football that lion is "holden"?:D

If this is the platform that the Camaro is being based upon and this vehicle is ready for production, don't you think it was worked on a minimum of 2 years or more? If so, could this really mean that production of the Camaro is really closer than we think? If the platform is already there all that really has to be done is tool up the plant and get the contracts in order. I am willing to be this thing has been in the works since the 4th Gen went on Hiatus and the
5th gen will be out no later than early 08 as an 08 model.
My 2 cents

http://www.allfastcars.com/cars/acura-nsx.jpg

How so?

I like these Holden cars. I think they are clean and modern... almost to a fault though, in the same way you can put a pontiac or buick badge on them and have them look good you could probably put ANY badge on them and have them look good.

Agreed. Doesn't look a lot different than Mazda 6, or the new IS250/350, etc. Could be any number of imports, if you took off the badge and made people guess.

I do think it looks great though, either way, and I'd certainly drive it..with the LS2 of course.

If this is the platform that the Camaro is being based upon and this vehicle is ready for production, don't you think it was worked on a minimum of 2 years or more? If so, could this really mean that production of the Camaro is really closer than we think? If the platform is already there all that really has to be done is tool up the plant and get the contracts in order. I am willing to be this thing has been in the works since the 4th Gen went on Hiatus and the
5th gen will be out no later than early 08 as an 08 model.
My 2 cents

It really makes you wonder, doesn't it? 1st the Zeta was shelved, then it's back, then the Camaro concept, now comes an actual Zeta car....so obviously the chassis development for the Zeta was alot farther along then people assumed. Considering all that, I'd be willing to bet that the Camaro makes an appearance by next fall of '07, as a late '07 or an '08. They'd be wise to make it the 40th anniversary and sell some as '07's.

Things can happen real quick when a company is pressed and can cut out the typical bureaucratic B.S. IMFO :cool:

hmmm...sounds like what I may have said might...might come true...

I don't think it was shelved, I think it just got pushed back so they could get the 900s... the money makers out.

does anyone else see a little of the new malibu in this car or am i just a little crazy?:p

does anyone else see a little of the new malibu in this car or am i just a little crazy?:p
I see it from the spy photos ive seen of the malibu it looks close.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Good Ph.D

http://www.allfastcars.com/cars/acura-nsx.jpg

How so?

I like these Holden cars. I think they are clean and modern... almost to a fault though, in the same way you can put a pontiac or buick badge on them and have them look good you could probably put ANY badge on them and have them look good.


Yea, not a Holden, its an Acura, dumbass

Yea, not a Holden, its an Acura, dumbass
And the winner of the "I didn't read the d*mn thread but decided to comment on a person's posting of an NSX and make a stupid comment" of the day award is......19z28camaro02!!!!

Post #6
very nice car. Looks like the NSX
Read next time!:rolleyes:

Nice car !!!! What I see in this vehicle is the next GTO

I don't think it was shelved, I think it just got pushed back so they could get the 900s... the money makers out.

That's what I think I meant! :D

Still, from some indication it wasn't clear how soon they'd start working on it again, and now to already have a production car on that platform is very, very promising news!

Isnt North Americas version Zeta II? Whats different between Zeta and Zeta II?

And the winner of the "I didn't read the d*mn thread but decided to comment on a person's posting of an NSX and make a stupid comment" of the day award is......19z28camaro02!!!!

Post #6

Read next time!:rolleyes:

:Owned:

Isnt North Americas version Zeta II? Whats different between Zeta and Zeta II?
The Zeta II, GMNA RWD platform, is more closely related to Sigma than VE, Holden's RWD, is. VE and Zeta will use a lot of the same suspension components but the build process will be to GMNA's standards and processes rather than Holdens.

Yep. Sigma based Zeta. :)


But that is a hot car, and if it comes over as the Grand Prix, my G6 will be getting replaced.

It's not coming over as a Grand Prix, and I doubt you'll replace your G6 with it if it did come over.


I know it has been discussed, but the first product is about to hit the road (publically finally). Zeta has been mere talk until now, and even though cars on the same architecture can differ by large amounts, this is one of the closests things to a production Camaro. Just something real to keep an eye on, instead of speculation.

Unless you've spent your time buried in an Afghanistan cave for the past 4 years, Zeta has been far from speculation. You really need to keep up with news.

very nice car. Looks like the NSX

Since you've already won the dumbass comment for not reading a thread before posting award, I'll leave you alone.

If this is the platform that the Camaro is being based upon and this vehicle is ready for production, don't you think it was worked on a minimum of 2 years or more? If so, could this really mean that production of the Camaro is really closer than we think? If the platform is already there all that really has to be done is tool up the plant and get the contracts in order. I am willing to be this thing has been in the works since the 4th Gen went on Hiatus and the
5th gen will be out no later than early 08 as an 08 model.
My 2 cents

1. Early 08 would be a 2009 model.
2. Factories don't just materialize out of thin air.

Production of a car also is dependent on factory space, money, the life cycle of other models, development time needed for OEMs, and a host of other stuff.


It really makes you wonder, doesn't it? 1st the Zeta was shelved, then it's back, then the Camaro concept, now comes an actual Zeta car....so obviously the chassis development for the Zeta was alot farther along then people assumed. Considering all that, I'd be willing to bet that the Camaro makes an appearance by next fall of '07, as a late '07 or an '08. They'd be wise to make it the 40th anniversary and sell some as '07's.

Things can happen real quick when a company is pressed and can cut out the typical bureaucratic B.S. IMFO :cool:

1. Zeta wasn't shelved. Holden never stopped, it's just that GM-NA went with a more cost effective Zeta than simply making Holdens here (which would have actually been pretty expensive).

Also, Holden is doing all structures for GM's RWD program. They needed time to finish their VEs before they worked on what we are going to be using.

does anyone else see a little of the new malibu in this car or am i just a little crazy?:p

You're a little crazy.

Nice car !!!! What I see in this vehicle is the next GTO

No you don't. Going to have different sheetmetal and chassis.

It's not coming over as a Grand Prix, and I doubt you'll replace your G6 with it if it did come over.


Well, that confirms that it's not the Grand Prix, how about G8? :D

I think it looks nice. I could easily see it replacing my G6 as a daily driver at some point. The G6 is a nice car and all, but I have a few problems with it that leave a somewhat sour taste in my mouth.

Of course, whenever the Camaro and the GTO come out, I'll have a different opinion of what I need to replace the G6.

It really makes you wonder, doesn't it? 1st the Zeta was shelved, then it's back, then the Camaro concept, now comes an actual Zeta car....so obviously the chassis development for the Zeta was alot farther along then people assumed. Considering all that, I'd be willing to bet that the Camaro makes an appearance by next fall of '07, as a late '07 or an '08. They'd be wise to make it the 40th anniversary and sell some as '07's.

Things can happen real quick when a company is pressed and can cut out the typical bureaucratic B.S. IMFO :cool:


Zeta was ONLY shelved in "North America"... it was never shelved in Australia. They've been working on it the whole time.

Unless you've spent your time buried in an Afghanistan cave for the past 4 years, Zeta has been far from speculation. You really need to keep up with news.


You really missed the point on this one, clear your anger filled mind and read again. I will be more than happy to assist if needed.

Zeta was ONLY shelved in "North America"... it was never shelved in Australia. They've been working on it the whole time.

Is there an echo in here? See Post #23...this was covered a week ago. :cool:

You really missed the point on this one, clear your anger filled mind and read again. I will be more than happy to assist if needed.

Don't think I missed anything. :think:

Let's see:
You said: "Just something real to keep an eye on, instead of speculation."

Hmm. I guess the only other way to interpret it is that if I stare at the real VE Commodore long enough it will somehow morph into the next gen Camaro like a catapillar into a butterfly. However, I'd need to eat, sleep, and go to thebathroom somewhere during those 2 or so years, so I might miss a magic moment.

Otherwise:
1. Unless you were in a cave in Afghanistan the past few years, Zeta wouldn't be speculation.
2. Anything that's speculation about the Camaro is still speculation about Camaro.
3. Watching a car that goes into production has nothing to do with the work going on a car that's away from where you can "keep an eye on" it. ;)

241 hp V6
262 hp V6
362 hp V8

Those numbers look awful close to some recent speculation of the 5th gen engines. Are we currently looking at the hp ratings of a 5th gen Camaro, Camaro RS, and Camaro Z28?

You really missed the point on this one, clear your anger filled mind and read again. I will be more than happy to assist if needed.

One thing that you seem to have missed out on is that the speculation that goes on here tends to be more accurate than the speculation that goes on in the media.

This car has nothing to do with Camaro. You are doing nothing more than speculating yourself, and whats worse, you're trying to pass it off as something legitimate.

Hopefully you will learn that there are some people on this site who are in the know, and who's speculation is usually a little more than a guess.

GuionM and Fbodfather are two people who's word tends to be fact, not fiction. In fact, anything that you hear from Fbodfather is more than mere speculation, it is FACT.

Don't think I missed anything. :think:

Let's see:
You said: "Just something real to keep an eye on, instead of speculation."

Hmm. I guess the only other way to interpret it is that if I stare at the real VE Commodore long enough it will somehow morph into the next gen Camaro like a catapillar into a butterfly. However, I'd need to eat, sleep, and go to thebathroom somewhere during those 2 or so years, so I might miss a magic moment.

Otherwise:
1. Unless you were in a cave in Afghanistan the past few years, Zeta wouldn't be speculation.
2. Anything that's speculation about the Camaro is still speculation about Camaro.
3. Watching a car that goes into production has nothing to do with the work going on a car that's away from where you can "keep an eye on" it. ;)

Arguing on the Inturdweb is one of the most pointless actions and judging by the number of posts you have made and length of them I can see I do not even want to start. So to review the second post I made and be done with it -


I know it has been discussed, but the first product is about to hit the road (publically finally). Zeta has been mere talk until now, and even though cars on the same architecture can differ by large amounts, this is one of the closests things to a production Camaro. Just something real to keep an eye on, instead of speculation.



I know it has been discussed, but the first product is about to hit the road (publically finally).

Do not see anything wrong there, just stating the obvious.


Zeta has been mere talk until now, and even though cars on the same architecture can differ by large amounts, this is one of the closests things to a production Camaro.

I know everyone here knows about Zeta, but why don't we assume that some people might come by that do not know. To the lay person Zeta was just talk and speculation (most probably do not even know about it) and nothing is real until officially released. Think like the public and not an Internet geek with inside news :D

The Holden and Camaro might share design components. Nothing more I can say on that, just speculating and I am in no way saying they will look or be the same.


Just something real to keep an eye on, instead of speculation.


You can do whatever you like, but considering I might purchase a Camaro in the future I will probably keep an eye on these Zeta Holdens. It is amazing what you can see and learn, when you do not restrict your view. :)

Since this site might get more traffic with the pending release of a new Camaro, how about cutting the newbies some slack so they will stick around :rolleyes:

One thing that you seem to have missed out on is that the speculation that goes on here tends to be more accurate than the speculation that goes on in the media.

This car has nothing to do with Camaro. You are doing nothing more than speculating yourself, and whats worse, you're trying to pass it off as something legitimate.

Hopefully you will learn that there are some people on this site who are in the know, and who's speculation is usually a little more than a guess.

GuionM and Fbodfather are two people who's word tends to be fact, not fiction. In fact, anything that you hear from Fbodfather is more than mere speculation, it is FACT.


I know I am new here, but what is the deal with this place. I just saw an article about Zeta and thought some people might care. I am not trying to spread any freaking rumors or debunk anything GuionM and Fbodfather have said. I am not even to trying to post something as FACT and if you think I am, I apologize. I am just a person that use to own a 69 Camaro and am possibly looking forward to getting a new one. At this time I think I will just wander on back to the Jeep message boards, we tend to attack less :rolleyes:

Jeepnreb, I think you're confusing ZetaNA and ZetaAU. There is a slight difference between the two.

I know I am new here, but what is the deal with this place. I just saw an article about Zeta and thought some people might care. I am not trying to spread any freaking rumors or debunk anything GuionM and Fbodfather have said. I am not even to trying to post something as FACT and if you think I am, I apologize. I am just a person that use to own a 69 Camaro and am possibly looking forward to getting a new one. At this time I think I will just wander on back to the Jeep message boards, we tend to attack less :rolleyes:

I'm not saying that I want you to leave. I'm just saying that everything that you've posted has either been posted before, or has been discussed in one way or another. I'm sure that on the Jeep boards they don't like new people coming on to start new topics about old stuff.

Hang around, grab a beer, enjoy the debate. :D

At this time I think I will just wander on back to the Jeep message boards, we tend to attack less :rolleyes:
Don't let the doornob hit yah where the good Lord split yah.

Bub-eye!

Thats not nice.


We like new members here. But they should lurk before they start throwing stuff out, especially with titles like the one of this thread. :rolleyes:

Odds are most topics have been discussed in great depths and people get testy when you tell them what color the sky is. :lol:

Once again let me reiterate...
241hp Camaro
262hp Camaro RS
362hp Camaro Z28

and maybe eventually a 400+hp Camaro SS

Lol, somebody just please acknowledge my previous post! I still think this cars powertrain will give us some insight into the 5th gen.

All those numbers are extremely competetive and entirely obtainable for a 20-30k dollar car. The 362 V8 would be a perfect hp rating that could run some amazing times but still not scare off potential buyers.

Once again let me reiterate... :rolleyes:


and maybe eventually a 400+hp Camaro SS :no:

Lol, somebody just please acknowledge my previous post! I still think this cars powertrain will give us some insight into the 5th gen.

Here's your acknowledgement. We've been around the world, high and low on this topic. Yet and still all we really know is that there will be at least one V6 and at least one V8.

Seeing as how GM has a V6 for every number between 200 and 300, and a V8 for every number between 300 and 500, any thing beyond that is purely shots in the dark.

Lol, somebody just please acknowledge my previous post! I still think this cars powertrain will give us some insight into the 5th genZ28 will be top dog and somewhere just below Z06 territory on HP. We just won't see it in MY #1. :D

I agree it has been discussed to death, but this is a speculation thread so....

It seems Mr. Scott is quick to shoot down wrong guesses (which he should). But I imagine if i was wrong, Mr. Scott would shoot me down with a big fat "ummm....no" or he wouldn't say anything at all if it were correct. I'm kinda trying to use the process of elimination to maybe make an educated guess.

I'm in a "need to know" situation right now because there is a stage 3 for my cobalt coming out in september and rumors of a twincharged setup on the horizon. If i can get 362hp for 27K in the next 2-3 years then i need to quit dropping all this money into my coby!

But this is exciting news. A Zeta powertrain has hit the streets. And i imagine many parts from this car will be in our 5th gens, so heres hoping for the best.

Surpirsied this hasn't been mentioned yet. What is the weight!?!

I did some searching on Holden's website and found this:

Commodore SS, manual: 1654 kg. = 3647 lbs.
Commodore SV8, manual: 1637 kg. = 3610 lbs.

This is with a 6.0L V8 (LS2 I presume) and independent rear suspension.

I consider this to be VERY VERY good news!

The exterior dimensions are as follows:

length: 4876 mm = 192 in.
width: 1842 mm = 72.5 in.
height: 1440 mm = 56.7 in.
ground clearance: 114 mm = 4.5 in.

How do these dimensions compare to the Camaro concept, which we already know has to be narrowed and therefore, likely shrunk in other dimensions in order to keep the proportions the same?

You have no idea how many people on SVTperformance have been telling me the next Camaro is going to weight 4000lbs or more! I guess it is just wishful thinking on their part.

With talk of this Commodore being brought to the US as the Grand Prix, how close is it to meeting US safety standards? This translates to how close the Aussie curb weight is to what we would see here in the US.

Commodore SS, manual: 1654 kg. = 3647 lbs.
Commodore SV8, manual: 1637 kg. = 3610 lbs.
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Good catch. Its good to see i'm not the only one who recognizes the significance of actually seeing Zeta numbers on the road.

I know everyone here knows about Zeta, but why don't we assume that some people might come by that do not know. To the lay person Zeta was just talk and speculation (most probably do not even know about it) and nothing is real until officially released. Think like the public and not an Internet geek with inside news :D

Internet geek, huh?

You're new around here, aren't you?

The Holden and Camaro might share design components. Nothing more I can say on that, just speculating and I am in no way saying they will look or be the same.

Holden and Camaro will not share design components.

You can do whatever you like, but considering I might purchase a Camaro in the future I will probably keep an eye on these Zeta Holdens. It is amazing what you can see and learn, when you do not restrict your view. :)

What? That by watching a picture of a Holden long enough it's gonna magically change into a Camaro?

Look, since you don't seem to be getting what's being said,I'm happy to assist.

1. Holden is the engineering "homeroom" for GM's "volume" RWD program. Holden has this because unlike GM-NA, GM-H has been making RWD nonstop and has plenty of people with experience in engineering high volume, low cost RWD vehicles. Holden also has phenominal expertise in modular vehicle construction

2. During Holdens regularly scheduled model change, ended up with $$$$ from the parent company to engineer a low cost, modular RWD line that could also be used here in the US.

3. Last year, GMNA stopped and reviewed the US leg of the program & came to the conclusion that it would be cheaper to simply use a locally designed RWD structure (Sigma) and adapt Holden's modular and suspension sourced engineering instead of using the Holden VZ based Zeta. Essentially making it a totally different car.

4. Holden is doing quite a bit of the engineering work in reading the US based structure (Sigma is already somewhat modular, underpinning everything from the narrow CTS, to the wider AWD STS, to the crossover SRX). However.....
the US version of Zeta (essentially a Chevrolet program) IS NOT THE SAME AS HOLDEN'S VE!!!

In plan english, outside of the bolt in suspension parts, watching the VE for a future Camaro is like watching a Cobalt for the next Malibu. Apples and oranges, and honestly, pretty silly.


Since this site might get more traffic with the pending release of a new Camaro, how about cutting the newbies some slack so they will stick around :rolleyes:

Newbies are always welcome, and we do cut them some slack. However, this site also has a pretty mind numbing amount of information that's only a search button away.

You aren't going to go to a 12th grade history class with a 4th grade education, and try and teach the class and tell a teacher that they "[i]shouldn't restrict their view". You're gotta sitback & listen first, or at least do a minimal amount of homework with a search button.

You're in the big leagues here, son, this ain't a lounge over on a Jeep site full of people who are barely out of highschool, or people who type 1st and think later. You have alot of industry people, writers, engineers, marketers, and others with alot of hands on or know directly people with hands on, with nary an "Internet Geek" amongst us.

If that's too heavy for ya, then there's always the CamaroZ28.com "Lounge"..... just be sure to boil your computer afterwards. ;)

However.....
[i]the US version of Zeta (essentially a Chevrolet program) IS NOT THE SAME AS HOLDEN'S VE!!!


I understand this, but I would believe they would be similar enough that we could get a ballpark figure for the weight. Say, +or- 100lbs. Is this not the case?

That Interior looks like it could have came out of an Audi.

especially the IP cluster.. that LCD panel layout looks exactly like my friend's 99 Audi A4.

I understand this, but I would believe they would be similar enough that we could get a ballpark figure for the weight. Say, +or- 100lbs. Is this not the case?:no:

Well, whatever happens, just looking at the interior and the though of a V8 RWD sedan, that may be relatevily affordable... makes me really want one! I hope the interior of our US cars would at least be as nice.

...
241hp Camaro
262hp Camaro RS
362hp Camaro Z28

and maybe eventually a 400+hp Camaro SS...
I would say that's definitely a possibility.

Except switch SS & Z28 around ;)

I would say that's definitely a possibility.

Except switch SS & Z28 around ;)


wooooo, somebody's nice to me! Either Z28 or SS being top dog would be fine. And the two V6's could actually be the same displacement, just give the RS VVT and a more aggressive exhaust and suspension (kind of like the daytona charger) and you would be fine.

The girls and kids buy the base Camaro. The people interested in mostly looks and fun will get the RS. And the 362hp V8 is bought by the 25-45 male market.

I just have all the answers.....to bad there always wrong.....:cry:

I understand this, but I would believe they would be similar enough that we could get a ballpark figure for the weight. Say, +or- 100lbs. Is this not the case?
not really, AU and NA safety standards are different, so wieghts won't be too comparable(example:the AU built GTO was a pig when it came to NA, as it needed to meet NA standards[they had to move the fuel tank as well])

not really, AU and NA safety standards are different, so wieghts won't be too comparable(example:the AU built GTO was a pig when it came to NA, as it needed to meet NA standards[they had to move the fuel tank as well])

I know the standards are different, but I was under the impression they were not too far apart. I know they had to move the gas tank in the GTO, but the fact that the car could be rather quickly and easily retrofited for North America makes me think the Monaro was not too far off from meeting NA standards in its AU form.

What is the weight of a 2006 LS2 Monaro vs. a 2006 GTO with comparable equipment? That may shed a little more light.

It looks to me like the offspring from an ecounter between a Charger, GTO and Cavelier.

It looks to me like the offspring from an ecounter between a Charger, GTO and Cavelier.

:confused:

I know the standards are different, but I was under the impression they were not too far apart. I know they had to move the gas tank in the GTO, but the fact that the car could be rather quickly and easily retrofited for North America makes me think the Monaro was not too far off from meeting NA standards in its AU form.

What is the weight of a 2006 LS2 Monaro vs. a 2006 GTO with comparable equipment? That may shed a little more light.
your right, the GTO is ~10 lbs heavier then the Monaro, but again, to\hose are pretty much the same car

the camaro will not have a mate in AU

not really, AU and NA safety standards are different, so wieghts won't be too comparable(example:the AU built GTO was a pig when it came to NA, as it needed to meet NA standards[they had to move the fuel tank as well])

GTO wasn't a pig when it came to NA.

The Holden Monaro CV8 weighed in at 3646.

The GTO: 3725.

Roughly 80 pounds difference, almost all of it related to moving the fuel tank and making everything but the sunroof standard.

Australia's safety standards are very similar to US standards structurally.

Biggest difference:

1. Revised interior standards which require different airbags here starting with the 2007 model year... why the current GTO isn't being continued past August.

2. Rear end collision standards... why GTO's fuel tank was moved to the trunk and why Ford HAD to replace the SN95 based Mustang in 2005.

Cars are heavy today. The more we demand of our cars, the heavier they will get... still.

Want IRS? Want a car that rides as solid as your living room? Want to have electric servo motors for everything? Want side airbags, stability control, and huge anti-lock brakes at all 4 corners? GTO is a featherweight.

The 2003 SVT Cobra had a curb weight of just under 3,700 pounds.
A fully loaded Camaro SS was pushing 3600.
The current Impala SS weighs over 3,700.
The small G35 coupe weighs 3500 pounds, and it doesn't even have a V8 or the heavy duty powertrain (or structure) of the GTO. :lol:


I understand this, but I would believe they would be similar enough that we could get a ballpark figure for the weight. Say, +or- 100lbs. Is this not the case?

I'd say that's probally dead accurate.

The new breed of modern, V8 powered, 6 speed automatic trannie, IRS, RWD sedans seem to be settling in around the 4,000 pound mark, give or take 100 pounds.

The modestly sized CTS-v, the Chrysler 300C, the Charger SRT-8, the new V8 powered VE Holden Commodores, even the new BMW 5 series w/ the V8 all weigh within a a remarkably narrow weight range of +/- 4000 pounds.

The bigger ones from BMW and Mercedes Benz are pushing 4400.

GTO wasn't a pig when it came to NA.


Cars may be getting heavier, but physics hasn't changed. It was still a pig.


The 2003 SVT Cobra had a curb weight of just under 3,700 pounds.
A fully loaded Camaro SS was pushing 3600.
The current Impala SS weighs over 3,700.
The small G35 coupe weighs 3500 pounds, and it doesn't even have a V8 or the heavy duty powertrain (or structure) of the GTO. :lol:


No it wasn't. Find me a Camaro SS weighing anywhere near 3600lbs even in full trim, unless we are talking about convertibles, which I don't think we are. It amazes me how people on this site like to keep hiking up the weight of the 4th gen, to some how make the weight of the 5th gen look acceptable. I would love to see a link to a curb weight of anywhere near this claim.

This is from the "dreaded lounge". Refer to both post 8 and 24 for what owners have weighed in their cars at. Keep in mind, both are SLP cars, and one of them had "crap in the trunk".
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=464397&page=2&highlight=curb+weight

I will get more links for curb weight tomorrow if need be. I am going to bed.