Whats up with the supposed HO v6 in the 5th gen?

Curiousity has gotten the better of me. Any news from anyone in the "winky club" that share some info on what is going on with the 300hp v6 that we were being told on here just a few months ago would be in the 5th gen? How many possible engines are in the works now then?

I figured I wouldn't bother asking about this in the LT1 versus 5th gen v6 thread, because it has gone south as far as threads go.

There are supposedly 4 engines. And right now i would say its up in the air between 6 choices.

1. The Base V6 = 3.x liter 240 hp

2. The RS V6 = 3.x liter 300 hp
OR
The Base V8 = 5.3 liter 300 hp

3. The LS3 V8 = 400 hp
OR
The LSX V8 = 420 hp

4. The LS7/LS9 = 500 hp

But who knows, this is just a guess. And NOBODY will know until it is actually released.

It's under development at GM powertrain.

What else is there to tell? :shrug:

Most likely it will be the same engine used in the 2008 CTS. A DOHC 3.6L w/ direct injection. That is the only 300HP V6 that I know of coming from GM in the near future.

I don't think the base V6 will have any more then 250hp. correct me if im wrong but all the 280+hp V6s run on 91+ octane. And I really don’t think they would make the base model run on 91+ octane. Also the higher output sixes seem to be rather high tech and im guessing expensive. Which would raise the cost for the car too much.
That would be cool if they did a 300hp RS version with a six.

I don't think the base V6 will have any more then 250hp. correct me if im wrong but all the 280+hp V6s run on 91+ octane. And I really don’t think they would make the base model run on 91+ octane. Also the higher output sixes seem to be rather high tech and im guessing expensive. Which would raise the cost for the car too much.
That would be cool if they did a 300hp RS version with a six.

This would not be the base engine but rather the "upgraded" V6 option.
It was alluded to in another thread that it may have been cancelled for the Camaro, was there anything substantial to that? If it was would there still be an engine option in between the "Camaro" and the "Camaro SS"?

Chris

upgraded v6? 2 v6's, 2 v8's? 3 V8's? So many different options have been tossed around, hard to tell.

We may get a Base V6 and an HO V6. Or we may only get one or the other.

We will almost certainly get 5.3 V8 and NA 6.2 and possibly SC 6.2 in lower numbers...

Think thats all we can nail down.

We may get a Base V6 and an HO V6. Or we may only get one or the other.

We will almost certainly get 5.3 V8 and NA 6.2 and possibly SC 6.2 in lower numbers...

Think thats all we can nail down.

Yeah, Charlie has mentioned a few times recently that there may only be one V6 on the way.

What’s with the “We will almost certainly get 5.3 V8”?

That is news to me…..I was under the impression we would only see the LS3 and LS9 variant. I also haven’t been as active in here this summer…

Care to follow that statement up? I thought we were only getting 2 V8’s…

That just what I think, Im going with what you said there would be two V8s...

But I really don't see a 500hp engine in this car in any numbers worth talking about.

300hp V6 followed by 400hp V8 and 500hp SC V8? Sounds great to gear heads but i don't see it. I can't imagine it will be nipping that close at Corvettes heals, in power or price.

Yeah, Charlie has mentioned a few times recently that there may only be one V6 on the way.

What’s with the “We will almost certainly get 5.3 V8”?

That is news to me…..I was under the impression we would only see the LS3 and LS9 variant. I also haven’t been as active in here this summer…

Care to follow that statement up? I thought we were only getting 2 V8’s…

6.2L LS3 would be one hell of a base V8. I remember back when people said the LS1 was too much power for a base V8 (Mustang GT had 260HP)

I hope that 425-450HP Monster isn't the cheapest V8 you can get. I have milage, insurance and price to worry about. A 350HP DoD 5.3L would be perfect.

6.2L LS3 would be one hell of a base V8. I remember back when people said the LS1 was too much power for a base V8 (Mustang GT had 260HP)

I hope that 425-450HP Monster isn't the cheapest V8 you can get. I have milage, insurance and price to worry about. A 350HP DoD 5.3L would be perfect.

I think that is the point of why they are developing the HO V6.

I have heard absolutely nothing about the 5.3L being used….

A 300hp V6 and 300hp V8 are two completely different animals...

I would have no problem with that being available, hell if it would line up to Mustang with price I would be ok... But I don't know how many people are going to pay a premium for a V6 engine that runs on 93 when there is a V8 available that runs on regular...

I would surmise that if they offered the 'LS3' as the base V8, it'll only be around 325-350hp, enough to compete favorably with the Mustang GT.

I also can't see GM offering 2 V6's and reserving a V8 solely for the top of the line version. That would undermine it's success in trying to cultivate the 'heritage' of the Camaro, and that is mostly due to having a V8 rwd pony car. Lots of people, myself included, won't buy a muscle-car/pony-car without the V8 if there is one available at a reasonable price. There are other cars out there to spend $30K+ on and have a V6. How many Mustangs would sell if the only V8 was the $40K+ Cobra, and the V6's were $30K? Not many. The whole point of the pony car was affordable performance.

I think that is the point of why they are developing the HO V6.

I have heard absolutely nothing about the 5.3L being used….

I hope then a new displacement is in the works. 5.5L? or maybe bring back the 5.7L

Like Good Ph.D said, why buy a 300HP V6 that needs 91+ when you can get a 300HP+ V8 from Ford that runs on 87 and cost $25K

Now if the Camaro with a 6.2L cost the same as a Mustang with a 4.6L and comes with the same options then I guess I can't complain. I don't see GM selling a 425-450HP Camaro for under $26K though.

Mustang and Camaro are all about cheap V8 power. The 300HP V6 would be nice, but Camaro really needs a V8 at the Mustang GT price.

So I don’t have to repeat myself, here is the line up of models/engines that were mentioned to me a few months back and corresponding prices that I believe are going to be quite accurate.

Read through the first few pages of the thread ;)


http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=448548

Well, just take a look around the automotive world where Toyota Avalons and Camry's pack 270-280hp V6's. If you get dusted by a Camry in your brand new Camaro, how do you think that will make you feel, especialy when you are packing maybe 250hp in a 3.9.
Id like to see the 3.6 DI motor making 300hp, and still priced in the mid 20's. That would make it attainable still, have something to go against cars like the 350Z and Mustang GT, while keeping price point right. Then have a 350hp engine, and then something in the 400hp+ club. 24k for V6 Camaro, 29k for 350hp Camaro, and 35k for 420hp Camaro.
The Mustang will be getting a hi-po V6 with the 3.5 Duratec by 2009, so GM needs to be ahead of the curve for production. Im sure that the 3.6 will already be slated for Zeta production and be engineerined and certified for production.

The base V6 needs to be priced as close to the V6 Mustang it can be, and offer more, to be competitive and reach 100K cars per year sold. If they price them out of their demographic, they will struggle. My concern is that GM couldn't sell the 400hp LS2 GTO for $32K, so I'm not quick to assume they can charge $35K for the nearly the same output in a Camaro. I realize the GTO wasn't properly marketed, but it points out the fact that many people won't spend that much money just to get 400hp.

Certainly the 'gotta have it' folks will snap them up at crazy prices at first, but what about 3 model years down the road? The Mustang sales have slowed considerably.

2009 prices due to inflation, etc. will affect my rationale, but I am hopeful that the car can arrive by next fall.

The base V6 needs to be priced as close to the V6 Mustang it can be, and offer more, to be competitive and reach 100K cars per year sold. If they price them out of their demographic, they will struggle. My concern is that GM couldn't sell the 400hp LS2 GTO for $32K, so I'm not quick to assume they can charge $35K for the nearly the same output in a Camaro. I realize the GTO wasn't properly marketed, but it points out the fact that many people won't spend that much money just to get 400hp.

Certainly the 'gotta have it' folks will snap them up at crazy prices at first, but what about 3 model years down the road? The Mustang sales have slowed considerably.

2009 prices due to inflation, etc. will affect my rationale, but I am hopeful that the car can arrive by next fall.

When you say the base Camaro should be priced as close to a V6 Mustang as possible, but offer more.....why is Camaro getting a better base motor ("more") than a 2005 Mustang such a buzzkill for alot of you?

And regarding the GTO, there are more issues at play than simply 400hp + $32K = no sale.

Because GM is playing catch-up, and Mustang has not waned in popularity, as did the Camaro. It's not a buzzkill if the power is better, but the price is the same. It's a buzzkill if GM tries to charge several thousand more. GM has to sell at least 3 V6's for every V8, same as the Mustang, if it's going to reach 100K per year in sales.

90% of Camaro/Mustang V6 buyers aren't going to care about a V6 having 300hp if it's pushing $30K out the door with options. That's reality. They are already buying the V6 because they don't care as much about performance, they just want the look and the sporty nature of the car at an affordable price. Those that want performance, buy the V8 if it's available. A 300hp V6 as an option seems pointless to me.

90% of Camaro/Mustang V6 buyers aren't going to care about a V6 having 300hp if it's pushing $30K out the door with options. That's reality. They are already buying the V6 because they don't care as much about performance, they just want the look and the sporty nature of the car at an affordable price. Those that want performance, buy the V8 if it's available. A 300hp V6 as an option seems pointless to me.

A 300HP V6 is nice, but not at the V8 price. I'd pay $1000-$1200 more for the 300HP V6 over the base 245HP, but not $3000. For that money I want a 5.3L V8 and 350HP.

I agree with what you said. V6 = those who want a sporty car, V8 = those who want affordable performance.

When you say the base Camaro should be priced as close to a V6 Mustang as possible, but offer more.....why is Camaro getting a better base motor ("more") than a 2005 Mustang such a buzzkill for alot of you?

This is why.

24k for V6 Camaro, 29k for 350hp Camaro, and 35k for 420hp Camaro

Like Good Ph.D said, why buy a 300HP V6 that needs 91+ when you can get a 300HP+ V8 from Ford that runs on 87 and cost $25K

If this HO V6 is an option or comes in at the same price as a V6 Stang, then great....

Otherwise Im seeing this resurrection being short lived. Take the fact that the Mustang already appears to more, for a variety of reasons, then make it so that the "I only want to look at it I don't care how fast it goes" people have the choice between a 20k Mustang and a 25k Camaro...

:death:

If this HO V6 is an option or comes in at the same price as a V6 Stang, then great....

Otherwise Im seeing this resurrection being short lived. Take the fact that the Mustang already appears to more, for a variety of reasons, then make it so that the "I only want to look at it I don't care how fast it goes" people have the choice between a 20k Mustang and a 25k Camaro...


This has been the game plan as I am to understand it. Keep an optional HO v6 under the cost of the new Mustang GT, and make the base Camaro 6.2 the same price or maybe $1000 more than the GTs. Some of the freaking out on here has been vastly unnecessary.

Yeah, Charlie has mentioned a few times recently that there may only be one V6 on the way.I would surmise that if they offered the 'LS3' as the base V8, it'll only be around 325-350hp, enough to compete favorably with the Mustang GT.

Yeah. That is the reason behind why I made this post. I liked the idea of the HO v6. I hope that it still will be part of the lineup.

I would surmise that if they offered the 'LS3' as the base V8, it'll only be around 325-350hp, enough to compete favorably with the Mustang GT.

Why? What if GM offered 420hp at the same price point as the Mustang GT's? Hp didn't keep the GTO from selling.


I also can't see GM offering 2 V6's and reserving a V8 solely for the top of the line version. That would undermine it's success in trying to cultivate the 'heritage' of the Camaro, and that is mostly due to having a V8 rwd pony car.

First of all, there are enough people buying v6 Mustangs to tell me that there are some people out there who are not likely to care if the car came with a v8 option or not. Second. the idea was 2 v6s and 2 v8s in the lineup, not one.

First of all, there are enough people buying v6 Mustangs to tell me that there are some people out there who are not likely to care if the car came with a v8 option or not. Second. the idea was 2 v6s and 2 v8s in the lineup, not one.

The exact same thing can be said about having an HO V6. If so many people are buying 240hp Mustangs, why does GM need a 300hp V6?

My fear is that having a HO V6 in the line-up allows them to push up the prices on a V8. I'd rather be able to afford a lesser V8, than be stuck with a V6, 300hp or not.

I just sold an Audi S4 2.7L twin turbo. Sure, it was fast, but it never felt like a V8 does, and that feel and V8 sound is half the point of owning a pony car, at least for me personally.

I don't personally know this info, but I wonder how cost-effective it is to tool and wire this particular car for 4 different engines?

Some of the freaking out on here has been vastly unnecessary.

I don't think anyone on here is freaking out. We're all simply stating our thoughts and view on what could/would happen and why we think so.

I just want GM to build the car, and I want it to succeed. I grew up on V8 powered pony cars, so they are near and dear to me. I've had some of the best V6/I6/I4 cars made for performance, but none can compare to a V8 for me. :cool:

I wish some experts would chime in on this. Cause I don't see these prices people are throwing out as reasonable. These are the most equivalent cars I can find and Mustang is discussed in the summary. Almost all are fairly new, with fairly new powertrains and have several sister cars to eat cost as Camaro will.

((All MSRPs are rounded))

3.0L V6 221hp Fusion is 21k MSRP
3.5L V6 201hp G6 Coupe is 22k MSRP
3.5L V6 211hp Monte Carlo LS is 21k MSRP

Avg. Price = 21,300 4.0L V6 Mustang has 210hp, didn't put this list in the above because its the least modern on this list and will probably be getting replaced by the time Camaro is out. 20k MSRP


3.5L HOV6 250hp Charger is 23k MSRP
3.5L V6 298hp G35 Sedan is 31k MSRP,
3.5L V6 306hp IS 350 is 36k MSRP
3.9L V6 240hp G6 Coupe GTP is 23k MSRP

Avg. Price =28,500 More than 4.6L V8 Mustang GT which is 26k MSRP Thats as even as I could make it considering the current domestic HO V6s aren't making the power we're talking about and you pay a premium because the imports are imports.


5.3L V8 303hp Monte Carlo SS is 28k MSRP
5.7L V8 350hp Charger is 31k MSRP
Avg. Price = 29,500 Mustang will have a power upgrade right as Camaro comes out. Probably from tuning 4.6 which we know they can do so little price increase if any. So a more powerful 5.3 in Camaro will only be making 20-30 more hp. and will cost three thousand dollars more

6.0L V8 400hp GTO is 33k MSRP,
6.1L V8 425hp Charger is 38k MSRP
Avg. Price =35,500 Ten grand more than Mustang GT...

Im not going into possible SC Camaro one because Im tired, and too if it happens it will happen like the GT500 low numbers.

I wish some experts would chime in on this. Cause I don't see these prices people are throwing out as reasonable. These are the most equivalent cars I can find and Mustang is discussed in the summary. Almost all are fairly new, with fairly new powertrains and have several sister cars to eat cost as Camaro will.

((All MSRPs are rounded))

3.0L V6 221hp Fusion is 21k MSRP
3.5L V6 201hp G6 Coupe is 22k MSRP
3.5L V6 211hp Monte Carlo LS is 21k MSRP

Avg. Price = 21,300 4.0L V6 Mustang has 210hp, didn't put this list in the above because its the least modern on this list and will probably be getting replaced by the time Camaro is out. 20k MSRP


3.5L HOV6 250hp Charger is 23k MSRP
3.5L V6 298hp G35 Sedan is 31k MSRP,
3.5L V6 306hp IS 350 is 36k MSRP
3.9L V6 240hp G6 Coupe GTP is 23k MSRP

Avg. Price =28,500 More than 4.6L V8 Mustang GT which is 26k MSRP Thats as even as I could make it considering the current domestic HO V6s aren't making the power we're talking about and you pay a premium because the imports are imports.


5.3L V8 303hp Monte Carlo SS is 28k MSRP
5.7L V8 350hp Charger is 31k MSRP
Avg. Price = 29,500 Mustang will have a power upgrade right as Camaro comes out. Probably from tuning 4.6 which we know they can do so little price increase if any. So a more powerful 5.3 in Camaro will only be making 20-30 more hp. and will cost three thousand dollars more

6.0L V8 400hp GTO is 33k MSRP,
6.1L V8 425hp Charger is 38k MSRP
Avg. Price =35,500 Ten grand more than Mustang GT...

Im not going into possible SC Camaro one because Im tired, and too if it happens it will happen like the GT500 low numbers.
You know, the pricing of the Camaro and the pricing of the Charger (in current $$) will be pretty close in my opinion (and only opinion). Chevy is comparing the Camaro to more than the Mustang...

Charger SXT $ = Camaro RS (HO V6) $
Charger RT $$ = Camaro SS (lo po V8) $$
Charger SRT8 $$$ = Camaro Z28 (hipo V8) $$$

Your HO V6 options are quite skewed. 2 of the 4 you quote are Lux, or semi-Lux models and don't relate well to a Camaro or Mustang. Excusing those two models, you get a 23K average for the HO V6. A much more easy to swallow number.

Using the GTO in this comparison is a little inappropriate as well. Since we mostly know the GTO's price was well above what was originally intended.

IMHO, there really is no room for an HO V6. I'm curious as to which market segment this will appeal? The masses will opt for the base-V6 (that's what it's there for: to sell). The gearheads will go for one of the V8 options. Where does that leave the HO V6? Sure, there are some that will take it, but I would be willing to bet that number is lower than the V8 models. Especially if both a 300HP HO V6 and a 300HP V8 are offered. Who's not taking the V8?

Yes, there are insurance concerns, but <NEWS FLASH> this car is not marketing itself to those with insurance concerns. If you have insurance concerns, you get the V6, not even the HO V6. Rest assured, your insurance company will know about any such HO V6 and will most likely treat it like any other sports car. Not to mention the fact, that if you do have insurance concerns, you probably shouldn't be shopping Camaros anyway, by name alone.

Your HO V6 options are quite skewed. 2 of the 4 you quote are Lux, or semi-Lux models and don't relate well to a Camaro or Mustang. Excusing those two models, you get a 23K average for the HO V6. A much more easy to swallow number.

Using the GTO in this comparison is a little inappropriate as well. Since we mostly know the GTO's price was well above what was originally intended.


Well I addressed that in my post, the two domestics don't make nearly the power we are talking about. So even if we assume some money will be saved because this fictional engine will not be "luxury" and lack some refinement... There is still going to be a price increase over what is currently offered because of whatever added engineering cost to get to the power we are talking about.

Perhaps If you took out the IS and then just averaged the three you would get a more palatable number.

Most likely it will be the same engine used in the 2008 CTS. A DOHC 3.6L w/ direct injection. That is the only 300HP V6 that I know of coming from GM in the near future.

If thats true it negates what you said anyway as this engine will have a luxury breeding so its likely to be right up there in performance and cost with those in the G35 and IS. Seeing as how I averaged those two "luxury" cars with two passenger cars, I think my number is pretty good.

Perhaps If you took out the IS and then just averaged the three you would get a more palatable number. I suppose I got someone off topic here as I was addressing people's ridicolous notion that this car is gonna have twice as much power and content as a mustang and cost half as much.

As for the GTO, I don't know a whole lot about that, but what it cost is what it cost. If its not immune to unforseen issues Camaro isn't either.

I also didn't go into the fact that if camaro were the bargain some people expect it to be it would obfuscate the purpose of Cobalt, Monte Carlo, GTO Corvette and everything else. :rolleyes:

And regarding the GTO, there are more issues at play than simply 400hp + $32K = no sale.
See evok's 1st rule of car sales.

If thats true it negates what you said anyway as this engine will have a luxury breeding so its likely to be right up there in performance and cost with those in the G35 and IS. Seeing as how I averaged those two "luxury" cars with two passenger cars, I think my number is pretty good.

what makes those 2 luxury cars cost what they do is more than the engine though, its the whole car.. ..

Take the IS out and you get 25,666 repeating. Slightly less than Mustang GT, the point still stands.

Because GM is playing catch-up, and Mustang has not waned in popularity, as did the Camaro. It's not a buzzkill if the power is better, but the price is the same. It's a buzzkill if GM tries to charge several thousand more. GM has to sell at least 3 V6's for every V8, same as the Mustang, if it's going to reach 100K per year in sales.

90% of Camaro/Mustang V6 buyers aren't going to care about a V6 having 300hp if it's pushing $30K out the door with options. That's reality. They are already buying the V6 because they don't care as much about performance, they just want the look and the sporty nature of the car at an affordable price. Those that want performance, buy the V8 if it's available. A 300hp V6 as an option seems pointless to me.

Here something to consider. Maybe Camaro gets a base HFV6 for a variety of reasons. One of these reasons could possibly be for certification issues. Issues that future Mustangs would need to address as well. And I doubt that GM will require a 3 to 1 ratio of V6's to V8's for Camaro to reach 100,000 units. AFAIK, V8 Mustangs are currently nearly one half of production.

Also, how many $19-$20K Mustangs has anyone seen? I think I've seen 2 or 3, (and I actually look for them). Most of the V6 Mustangs I've seen are in the $22-$25,000 range. And I betcha they won't get any cheaper in the next couple of years or so.

And that $30K that you mentioned, will most probably get you a 400 hp Camaro SS....not a base V6.

That sounds reasonable.

Here something to consider. Maybe Camaro gets a base HFV6 for a variety of reasons. One of these reasons could possibly be for certification issues. Issues that future Mustangs would need to address as well. And I doubt that GM will require a 3 to 1 ratio of V6's to V8's for Camaro to reach 100,000 units. AFAIK, V8 Mustangs are currently nearly one half of production.

Also, how many $19-$20K Mustangs has anyone seen? I think I've seen 2 or 3, (and I actually look for them). Most of the V6 Mustangs I've seen are in the $22-$25,000 range. And I betcha they won't get any cheaper in the next couple of years or so.

And that $30K that you mentioned, will most probably get you a 400 hp Camaro SS....not a base V6.

According to 'themustangsource' website (biggest one I know of for those cars) they made 37% of the 05's as GT's. They HAVE to because of the emissions regulations. Sure, there may seem to be more demand for more V8's, because there are fewer of them made. Ford has to keep CAFE in check and sell more V6's so their overall fuel consumption meets the criteria. Chevrolet will most likely fall under the same scenario, but that is just an assumption by me.

There is an '05 Mustang for sale here for $14.5K. Converts for less than $20K. I just searched Auto Trader, and there are 5 of them within 100mi of my zip code between $15-16k. There are 10 more under $19K. There are a half dozen 'verts under $20K.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=194901253&dealer_id=70743&car_year=2005&mod_bookmark_id=null&search_type=both&num_records=&make=FORD&distance=100&model=MUST&address=55447&advanced=&certified=&max_price=&bkms=1153406121737&sort_type=priceASC&min_price=&end_year=2007&start_year=2005&isp=y&lang=en&cardist=16


I HOPE that I can spend $30K and get the 400hp version since that's what I plan on buying!

My point is, if you have to add the HO V6 as an option, along with a few other desireable options, then add taxes, you'll easily get close to $30K out the door, that is my only point. Personally, I don't think people will pay it.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=194901253&dealer_id=70743&car_year=2005&mod_bookmark_id=null&search_type=both&num_records=&make=FORD&distance=100&model=MUST&address=55447&advanced=&certified=&max_price=&bkms=1153406121737&sort_type=priceASC&min_price=&end_year=2007&start_year=2005&isp=y&lang=en&cardist=16

Ummm.....that's a 2 year old USED car.


I HOPE that I can spend $30K and get the 400hp version since that's what I plan on buying!

My point is, if you have to add the HO V6 as an option, along with a few other desireable options, then add taxes, you'll easily get close to $30K out the door, that is my only point. Personally, I don't think people will pay it.

Point taken. I don't think GM will price it's V6 at the same price point as it's 400 hp V8. That would be dumb.

[QUOTE=Z284ever]Ummm.....that's a 2 year old USED car.

Sorry, I thought you were talking used for some reason. I guess I was thinking resale and dropping demand on the Mustangs. :cool:

True, V6's new are still low $20K's. :D

How about just put in the good ol 3.8L series III?

It seems that mustang buyers of today are basing there decision between GT and V6 on age and insurance. Leather and wheels on a V6 stang take it well into GT territory. So the deciding factor in engine choice is the person, not the price.

Alot of people (myself included) are interested in a "stripper V8". I think a better choice would be a "stripper V6". This base model V6 would have cloth interior, standard rims, base stereo, and base supsension all starting at about 19,999. The V6 could then be optioned out to whatever level you want.

Then, have a significant jump to 28,500 for a V8 with 350-400 hp.

This is EXACTLY what they are doing now with the trailblazer, monte carlo, impala, and cobalt. The only way to get the stongest engine, is to pay for leather, stereo,suspension, wheels and everything else that comes with SS.

Either way, chevy has got to put more thought into the V6 because thats whats going to be on the road the most.

What people need to realize is that 20k for a car is cheap now a days. 20k gets you a loaded compact car, or a very low priced 4cyl mid sizer.
Having a 280-300hp V6 Camaro coming in at around 23-25k, would be outstanding. GM will have ZERO problem selling V8 Camaros, its the V6 car that needs the attention as far as sales.

You can buy a Trailblazer SS for like 31k msrp....

You can buy a Trailblazer SS for like 31k msrp....

Yes while it does msrp for 31K, a more real world price would be at least 35. Heck, the magazines are doing test drives and comparo's with trailblazer ss's that cost well into the 40's.

But the point i'm trying to make is that, with exception of the malibu maxx and silverado, the only way to get the SS engine on any new chevy car is to have leather, suspension, system, wheels, etc included with the price.

I don't forsee chevy changing there marketing techniques just for the camaro.