Anyone else seen the new Skyline GTR?

I happened to be intriged by the cover of the new Import Tuner (1st time ever I swear), so I opened it up and was very impressed at the new Skyline GTR that WILL be a production car in the states in 2008. I am very rarely impressed with any foreign cars, only ones before where pretty much 4th Gen Supra's, and possibly 93-97 RX-7's. But this new GTR looks pretty sweet IMO, and with a supposed 500 HP stock engine, that by upping the boost on the stock turbos could put it in the 1000 HP range, it definatly has to be added to my small list of imports to watch out for on the street.

What does everyone else think about it?

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Here's a couple of pics for those that haven't yet seen it. I can't say I totally like the front, but I do like the rear a lot.

The rear end looks like a more angular Cobalt.

I seriously doubt the 500hp predictions, at least for the US-spec model... time will tell though. :)

It looks like a 350Z with a nice body kit (which it basically is in terms of appearance).

That ain't production, and is farther off of the production model than the Camaro concept will be from its produciton model.

Also I do wonder if they will just be using the larger version of the FM chassis, the M35-45 one, how much it will weigh.

M35 M35x AWD M45 Sport
3,889 lb 4,043 lb 4,032 lb

It looks like AWD adds about 220 lbs add that to the 45 sport and it comes ot 4,252 lbs. Also it would need some reinforcement to the chassis to handle the extra power. It could be heavier than an Chrylser 300 SRT8!

The rear end looks like a more angular Cobalt.

I'd say the Cobalt is definitely the immitator, not the innovator.:p

Nissan/Datsun has been using the quad tail light design for decades now - GM has too with the Vette. I think Nissan's trademark has typically been a smaller inner pair of lights.

Edit: I just checked. The Vette started using two circular tail lamps in the 1961. The Skyline (made by Prince car company at the time) started using them in 1957

Damn, Corvette just got out-vintaged by a Nissan.

Yep, I like making up words. :D

I am fairly certain that the pics will pretty much be the car seeing as how it is to see the streets of Japan by early next year. Anything that far along doesn't have too much time left for major changes. Also, it IS gaurunteed, that it will be a production car in the US in 2008. So you should be able to walk into a dealer and order one, not have to worry about shipping it from over seas.

The weight I think was said to be about 3500 lbs, and yes it is to be an AWD deal. The engine (and most of the car), is pretty much going to be kept a secret until just before it hits the streets, but it is rumored that it will be a low compression 3.5 inline V6, with twin turbos.

The only difference in the models between the Japan version vs. the US version is just the right hand drivers position vs. the left hand drivers position, power will be the same.

Estimated cost is $70,000. So, don't worry about your average slightly rich high school kids parading them around. If all you have to do is up the boost in the stock turbo's for 1000 HP, 70k isn't a bad price in my opinion.

...but it is rumored that it will be a low compression 3.5 inline V6, with twin turbos.


Crazy!

;)

It seems it will pretty much be a new Supra TT on steriods.

More pics at http://www.auto-wallpapers.com/nissan/07gtrweb/index.html

Crazy!
Yes, what is this inline V you speak of? :p

CALL911, you can relay whatever rumors you want. It's just that, though -- they're rumors. I'm still skeptical, and I will be until I see the official announcement w/ specs. I'm not saying any of your information is wrong... just that I require proof and you have none. :)

It seems it will pretty much be a new Supra TT on steriods.
In what way? Made by Toyota? Rear wheel drive? Stock suspension that can't hook for ****? Ridiculous baskethandle wing?

Or did you just mean it's another Japanese turbo six, this time with more power?

P.S. Sorry, I'm apparently in one of those moods. ;)

Hey, its okay, I like my american muscle cars first and foremost, and like nothing more than to blow the doors off of foreign (especially Japaneese) cars in a race. There are only a few that I have any respect for.

I meant when I said that it is like the supra, is that with minimal $ or just upping the boost on the stock turbos, this inline V6 can make a ton of HP.

As for the rumors, the engine is to be rumored. The release date, and the fact you can buy one in the states is a fact according to the magazine.

Hey, its okay, I like my american muscle cars first and foremost, and like nothing more than to blow the doors off of foreign (especially Japaneese) cars in a race. There are only a few that I have any respect for.

I meant when I said that it is like the supra, is that with minimal $ or just upping the boost on the stock turbos, this inline V6 can make a ton of HP.
He did it again.

Dude if it is inline it isn't a V designed engine. If you want respect then use the proper terminology.

I know it's non-constructive to say, "I just don't like it!" But, considering this is a Camaro forum, I'm glad that GM don't design their image cars like that! Camaro, Challenger and Mustang have way more character than that in exterior design, irrespective of how well it goes.

What an ugly pile of ****!

He did it again.
Let's be perfectly clear.

Hey CALL911, please read the following carefully:

There is no such thing as an inline V6. There are V6's, and inline 6's.

The V in V6 describes the cylinder layout as being two rows of cylinders, arranged in a V formation. This is also true of V8, V10, V12, etc.

"Inline" means that all of the cylinders are in one line. This is the case with most four-cylinder engines, a few six-cylinders, and a handful of eights.

In addition to V and inline layouts, there are also flat layouts (take a V layout and expand the angle between the cylinder banks to 180 degrees) and W layouts (three or four rows at various angles with each other).

Porsche and Subaru are the only manufacturers I'm aware of that build flat engines. Volkswagen (and its subsidiaries) are the only cars I'm aware of that use W layouts.

I personally think it looks pretty cool, not really my thing, but I won't mind seeing them on the road.

David

Take a G35, mix it with a Cobalt coupe and add a rice body kit and out pops a GT-R :D ;)

Is this car still expected to be pushing 4000lbs.?

I like the rear of the car personally. But don't care for the front.

JakeRobb, I don't understand? Could you please tell me another 10 times about the V6 so I can ponder on it some more?

Unlike you, I am human and I made a mistake I wasn't aware of. Sorry if I put a "V" where an "I" was supposed to go.

Unlike you, I am human and I made a mistake I wasn't aware of.
You made the mistake twice.

Based on that, I guessed that you might not be aware of the difference, so I explained. No need to be a dick.

I am sure it will perform well. But it is just plain ugly!

We'll see the thing here, but so much of this (including that magazine article) is all total speculation.

For a $70,000 car it had better have 500hp in all honesty, and its going to need to stand out. Notice the 3000GT VR4, the 300ZX TT, the RX7 TT and the Supra TT of the 90's. They all died very promptly in the US. Infact, they sold so poorly that in the last year of US sales, Toyota dropped the sticker price on the TT Supra by $10,000 just to try and sell the last left hand drive cars they made.

All wheel drive is still a rumor as well. Its likely, but it hasnt been confirmed - just like the engine and transmission. I'd bet a twin turbo V6, 6 speed, and AWD though- cause it just makes sense.

You wont be able to just "up the boost" from 500hp to 1000hp. Maybe 650hp at the limit. But getting the stock parts to handle 1000 horsepower is retarded, and the development cost for such components has to come from somewhere. The GTR wont be a high volume car either. The Veyron took how much effort to make 1000hp, and how much does it cost?

At $70,000 the car wont make a huge profit margin (if any), and any dealers getting them might be stupid and try to charge markups. The R34 actually lost money to Nissan for every one they built.

Either way it will be an amazing car, but how heavy it will be and how well it will actually perform have yet to be seen.

I can't say too much for most of the cars you mentioned. But I know a bit on the Supra's, and you won't find a TT 6spd in good working shape for under $25-30,000 still. And that price hasn't really moved. The 2JZE motor in them has shown to support over 1000 hp without changing anything in them at all. Simply spending $3,500 on a larger turbo and fuel system and the Supra's can see 550-750 the wheels.

Be that as it is, you can easily add the same size turbo to an F-body with a built motor and crank out more RWHP than that. The problem is a well built turbo motor w/ turbo will cost you a good $14+k in an F-body. All in all much cheaper than $70,000 though.

Oddly yes, the Supras have held a crazy high value. While all of the other cars I mentioned lost a LOT of value since they were made, they still are rather expensive for what you get. I personally attribute almost all of it (for the Supra) to The Fast and the Furious, where Lieberman's work on that bright orange car brought it out into public eye exactly what the car could look like and do.

I can't say too much for most of the cars you mentioned. But I know a bit on the Supra's, and you won't find a TT 6spd in good working shape for under $25-30,000 still. And that price hasn't really moved. The 2JZE motor in them has shown to support over 1000 hp without changing anything in them at all. Simply spending $3,500 on a larger turbo and fuel system and the Supra's can see 550-750 the wheels.

Yeah, the bottom end has been shown to support over 1000hp on the dyno queen Supras, but the guys who actually drive the cars hard regularly replace most of the bottom end stuff with aftermarket. I don't know how much you know much about Supras, but it will take over $3500 to make a MKIV put down 750hp to the wheels. BPU upgrades to the stock twins on an MKIV are cheap, and are usually good for around 450rwhp on race gas, but the car begins to become an expensive car to modify after that.

The new Skyline will be a nice car, no doubt. However, there is no way in hell that the stock turbos on the car are going to support anywhere near 1000hp. That is just not going to happen. I haven't heard anything definitive about final hp figures either. Nissan has done a very good job about keeping any and all information about this car from getting out. They haven't even stated that it will be AWD yet, although that is something that can probably be counted in. The only thing I remember reading about this car was an engineer stating that it is using the 997 911 Turbo as it's benchmark, and must be able to outperform that car.

Oddly yes, the Supras have held a crazy high value. While all of the other cars I mentioned lost a LOT of value since they were made, they still are rather expensive for what you get. I personally attribute almost all of it (for the Supra) to The Fast and the Furious, where Lieberman's work on that bright orange car brought it out into public eye exactly what the car could look like and do.


Most average high school "car guys" might attribute the Supra's power to the car in that movie, but there were certainly many performance guys who knew of the car's potential long before that sh*t pile of a movie came out. Lieberman's Supra actually put out big hp numbers as well, something that can't be said of the rest of the cars on the movie set.

certainly many performance guys who knew of the car's potential long before that sh*t pile of a movie came out
What performance guys know and what practically everyone knows are two very different things.

I agree with the above replies. Except for having to spend more than $3500 to make 750 to the wheels. One of my best friends has a 93 Supra TT, and all he has is exhaust, different fuel pump/rails/injectors, and an SP-57 turbo and with a tune he made 729 RWHP with 26#'s of boost (not quite 750 but close). Besides his ugly rims, he has only spent $3500 in the car (not including the dyno tune).

I agree with the above replies. Except for having to spend more than $3500 to make 750 to the wheels. One of my best friends has a 93 Supra TT, and all he has is exhaust, different fuel pump/rails/injectors, and an SP-57 turbo and with a tune he made 729 RWHP with 26#'s of boost (not quite 750 but close). Besides his ugly rims, he has only spent $3500 in the car (not including the dyno tune).

I am sure it is possible if you are just trying to prove a point, but if you want it done the right way it is gonna cost more, and if i had a Supra, I would want it done the right way. I have heard more than a few complaints about the 2JZ's stock oiling system capacities for elevated boost levels.

Although I know a bit on the Supra's, I would by no means consider myself an expert on them. I know 3 people personally that are running more than 18#'s of boost on aftermarket Turbo's in their Supra's all putting down over 550 to the wheels, and none of which have changed anything to the actual motor, and none of them have ran into any oil system issues. That doesn't mean I am right and you are wrong, but it would be the first I have heard of it.

Has their been a word on that Lexus LF-A yet?

Or the new NSX?

It would be quite interesting to have a bunch of 70k, overthought under performing imports running around, with Corvette killing them all, and Camaro not far behind. :lol: