So, what happens, incentive-wise, after July 5th ?

The "72 hour sale" and the current Lease Pull-Ahead program both expire July 5th.

Anyone know what is planned after that?

I figure there has to be something coming that the lined up the 72-hour sale to expire with the Lease Pull-Ahead expiration date (that has been set for 1-2 months now)...

Can any of our dealership members, or anyone else, chime in with any info?

No one?? :(

No one?? :(

well the only one who knows whats going to happen is lanave and his crew...

i'm currious tho as to see if they will go down or go up... i have a feeling they'll go up just because they need to sell out all of the 06's... hopefully GM will have a massive fall because last year it just fell off... if its year round sales even out, GM might already be in good shape... might be on track to out do last years sales...

might be on track to out do last years sales...

Given the outlook for the overall industry, this should not be expected.

I'm curious as well to hear what's coming tomorrow, this week, or this month, because I can't imagine that the domestic manufacturers will continue to give up market share. Interestingly enough, though, GM's market share in June was actually about a point and a half higher than its culmulative year-to-date share, so it's not like last month was a disaster.

i'm really intrested to see if chevy continues what they are doing, or even ups the ante, because ford has there promotion going, with 0per and they giv eyou free gas, dodge is giving 0per, 2k off, and employee pricing!

I'm really close to buying a cobalt, but i would only do it at 0percent, and i'm not sure i have enough time tommorow to make a deal after i get off work....

Just go buy the car already :D

Just go buy the car already :D


I probably will if they will give me a deal on the price. Chrysler is doing 2k off, 0 percent and employee pricing...I'm hoping i can get a couple g's knocked off or somthing, hopefully they are willing to deal, if so, i'll probably pick one up, with the stage 2 added on. :)

Quick question, GMS pricing is cheaper than invoice, correct, if so, by approximatley how much?

We knew a week or so before the 0%/72mo started... no one has heard anything about what's coming tomorrow (or in the coming days)? Hard to believe, GM wouldn't dare sit on thier '06s for awhile with the '07s arriving would they?

Maybe they're going to do what they did last year with the employee pricing and just extend the 0% a little longer?

I sure hope so, because in about 3 weeks I'm going to need two new cars :eek: and I'm hoping for a couple GMs (okay, one is an immediate need, but I figure I may as well get both out of the way). I hope they don't let me down, I won't go GM if the incentives are elsewhere.

Oh well... we'll see.

New incentives are on the Chevrolet website. Hope the salesmen can find something to do.

example:
Malibu (with L61)
$500 Cash Allowances (**)
or as low as 3.9% APR for qualified buyers.

I'll just wait for another GOOD sale. I almost drove off the lot today in a new 07 Tahoe but ran out of time.

Ya, I'm wondering if these are "default rebates" since the other program just expired, though they don't look a whole lot different than the rebates from the 72 hour sale (minus, of course, the 0% for 72 months option), do they?

I guess my biggest question (because it applies to my situation) is what is the Lease Pull Ahead time frame and offer now? The last one expired July 5th and offered to realease you from 3 months of payments (which is very low, actually, compared ot some of the previous offers)... Lease offers and Lease Pull Ahead info is always the toughest information to find without starting to make some phone calls.... :irk:

They've got a commercial out that says they are trying to clear them out. Doesn't say anything about any special deals whatsoever, they are just saying, pick a car and try to make a deal...

Kinda ****ty when you can go across the stret to the Dodge dealer, and get a car for 0% financing, AND 2k off the price, AND employee pricing. Thats about the best deal you can get, rebates, perfect financing, and employee pricing. Then go up the street to the Ford dealer, and get 0% financing, and free gas for the rest of the year. Thats a huge savings in itself.

Yet GM is just advertising normal pricing, with normal financing, and just doing the normal, here's our price, make us an offer....

I wonder what GMS pricing is on a 06 Cobalt, with xm, sunroof, and the recaro option is....anyone know a site to look it up on? :)

OK, I just found the new Lease Pull Ahead info....

It's basically just an extention of the previous program that has been in place for the last 3-4 months:


Get into a new GM vehicle early — before your current SmartLease, SmartLease Plus, or SmartBuy contract is scheduled to expire no later than July 5, 2007. Just turn in your current vehicle and take delivery of an eligible new vehicle by October 2, 2006 — and we’ll waive or credit up to 3 monthly payments not yet due on your current contract. Additionally, a $1,000 Purchase Down Payment Bonus** is available to Pull Ahead customers who purchase their eligible new vehicle on a retail installment sale contract financed through the dealer and GMAC.

http://www.gm.com/vc/lease05/index.jsp?offer=pullahead-jul06


This pushes me back a month, as I refuse to pay to get out of my lease.... 3-4 more weeks with the GTP, I guess.

This pushes me back a month, as I refuse to pay to get out of my lease.... 3-4 more weeks with the GTP, I guess.

Whats next for you after the GTP?

Whats next for you after the GTP?

I think I have it narrowed down to either an Impala SS or a CTS.

It'll probably come down to which I can get a better lease offer on...

While researching the two of these cars, and talking to some people, especially CLEAN, who has had both cars himself, I was a little surprised to find out how much more the Impala SS offers over the CTS in terms of equipment and and value for the money.

I perfer RWD, but am OK with FWD for a driver in NE Ohio... and, other than possibly (probably?) handling, I think the Impala SS seems to win out everywhere else. Price, power, equipment, etc...

But, I just love the CTS anyway, so I'm not sure where I'll end up. The styling of the CTS is fantastic all around, The Impala SS is lacking a little in front end styling, IMO, but I really like the styling of the profile, and the rear... I think black makes it look kind of sinister looking, too, though I swore I'd never have black on a daily driver again after living with my black 89 Camaro RS for 4 years way back when :o ... it's a fantastic color, but so much work to keep clean looking.


You may remember I was pretty set on an Avalanche or a TB SS when we turned in the GTO about 3-4 months ago , but got my wife the Envoy SLT instead... well, the Envoy has pretty much covered 95% of the hauling things I was considering the (especially) the Av, and (partially) the TBSS for, so I think I'm going to stick to a sedan...

OK, I'm rambling now... but anyway, that's where I am at right now. :lol:

Oh yeah, the further GM scales back these Lease Pull Ahead offers, the more inclined I am to seriously consider a Charger R/T or Daytona...

Hey, thanks for the good find! I too shared in your frustration over finding the pull ahead info.

It's interesting that the new program is just basically an extension of the old one. It sure does make it nice for when you are ahead of schedule on how many miles you can put on the car though.

OK, I just found the new Lease Pull Ahead info....

It's basically just an extention of the previous program that has been in place for the last 3-4 months:



http://www.gm.com/vc/lease05/index.jsp?offer=pullahead-jul06


This pushes me back a month, as I refuse to pay to get out of my lease.... 3-4 more weeks with the GTP, I guess.

Also, interesting choices you have. I'll bet the Impala will be cheaper, but that could change the closer we get to the next gen CTS hitting the streets.

Oh, and get black if you like black. I got my Impala in black and don't feel so bad on how it looks after almost 2 years of daily driving it (since I'm giving it back pretty soon anyways).

Hey, thanks for the good find! I too shared in your frustration over finding the pull ahead info.

It's interesting that the new program is just basically an extension of the old one. It sure does make it nice for when you are ahead of schedule on how many miles you can put on the car though.

I don't understand why GM makes it so difficult to find Lease Pull Ahead info, and especially lease-specific rebates and incentives. Since most of the purchase rebates and offers do NOT apply to leases, it is extremely difficult to shop for GM leases before heading to the dealership. :irk:

Another advantage for GM itself with Lease Pull Ahead is that it helps them retain lease customers that would be basically free and clear to shop other brands if they don't urge that customer to lease something new before their lease expires with a Pull Ahead program.



Also, interesting choices you have. I'll bet the Impala will be cheaper, but that could change the closer we get to the next gen CTS hitting the streets.

Ya, I am thinking the way you are on this, but it looked as though there were some nice CTS lease programs going on recently... I guess I'll just have to wait and see what is out there in a few weeks to a month.


Oh, and get black if you like black. I got my Impala in black and don't feel so bad on how it looks after almost 2 years of daily driving it (since I'm giving it back pretty soon anyways).

Ya, I think I'd have a hard time passing on black on an Impy SS... and you have a good point, I'd only be leasing for 24-27 months most likely, so it's not like it's a forever thing. :)

GM seems to be offering a decent lease program on the current CTS. When the new CTS comes out in about a year my Audi's lease will almost be up... hope they have some good offers.:)

When I look at lease rates for a CTS on the link that was provided through the Payment calculator button, the rates don't seem all that good to me. Meaning >$500 a month.

Also, one thing that I have found out recently (seems it was mentioned on here before) is that if you have GMS you can't use GM Card earnings also. That sucks.

I wish it was easier to shop for a lease online before walking into a dealer.

What's the best way to shop for a lease then? Keep checking the link here (http://www.gmacfinancialtools.com/toolmanager?toolname=PE&websiteid=GMFS&cntrycd=US&langcd=EN)?

When I look at lease rates for a CTS on the link that was provided through the Payment calculator button, the rates don't seem all that good to me. Meaning >$500 a month.

An example in the local paper has been 2006 CTS lease... MSRP around $33,000. Around $2800 down, $258 per month payment for 24 months, with 10,000 miles per year. This was GMS, though.. so non-GMS would be a little higher. Also, notice the 10,000 miles vs the standard 12,000.... so, that would raise the price a bit too... but, still, a pretty decent lease considering the car....


Also, one thing that I have found out recently (seems it was mentioned on here before) is that if you have GMS you can't use GM Card earnings also. That sucks.

No, standard GM Card rebate can no longer be used with GMS... BUT... GM Card earnings DO work with Supplier Discounts. Also, for GMS people, you can get a GM Family Card... same thing, but the rebate is reduced from 5% to 1%...


I wish it was easier to shop for a lease online before walking into a dealer.

What's the best way to shop for a lease then? Keep checking the link here (http://www.gmacfinancialtools.com/toolmanager?toolname=PE&websiteid=GMFS&cntrycd=US&langcd=EN)?

Unfortnately, it seems that just general browsing the Internet and the papers are some of the first steps. Edmunds has some good info sometimes as well, but it's a little harder to go into a dealership armed with as much lease info as you can with purchase info. :(

FWIW, I've found those payment estimators to be just about useless unless you know all the details, which is the info so hard to find at times...

On Caddy's website:
MSRP $31190
$299/month* 39 month lease
$1939 due at lease signing, no security deposit required. Tax, title, license, dealer fees extra. 10,000 miles per year.

That's basically about a thousand bucks down... the rest is the first payment, deposits, etc...

I'm sure they have some 'meat' left on the bone with that offer, too... I'd likely try to get them to bring the lease down to 30 months and 15k miles a year for no or minimal increase in price. Do that on the new CTS coming out, plus continue to allow the same 2000 dollars in GM card rebates (or more), and I'm game.:)

No, standard GM Card rebate can no longer be used with GMS... BUT... GM Card earnings DO work with Supplier Discounts. Also, for GMS people, you can get a GM Family Card... same thing, but the rebate is reduced from 5% to 1%..

It's easy as pie to get a CASH back card with a 1% minimum return. Many are higher depending on what you purchase. I average over 2% with my AmEx Blue Cash.

You'd be crazy to take a 1% credit toward a GM vehicle in lieu of a 1 or higher percent CASH rebate.:think:

An example in the local paper has been 2006 CTS lease... MSRP around $33,000. Around $2800 down, $258 per month payment for 24 months, with 10,000 miles per year. This was GMS, though.. so non-GMS would be a little higher. Also, notice the 10,000 miles vs the standard 12,000.... so, that would raise the price a bit too... but, still, a pretty decent lease considering the car.......

That is a good deal.




No, standard GM Card rebate can no longer be used with GMS... BUT... GM Card earnings DO work with Supplier Discounts. Also, for GMS people, you can get a GM Family Card... same thing, but the rebate is reduced from 5% to 1%...

Pardon my ignorance, but what's the difference between GMS and GM supplier discount? I thought GMS was just another way of saying GM supplier discount.

I thought there was GM employee discount, and then GMS (GM Supplier discount). I take it that it doesn't work this way?


Unfortnately, it seems that just general browsing the Internet and the papers are some of the first steps. Edmunds has some good info sometimes as well, but it's a little harder to go into a dealership armed with as much lease info as you can with purchase info. :(

FWIW, I've found those payment estimators to be just about useless unless you know all the details, which is the info so hard to find at times...

Seems like the best deals are in the papers, and they aren't consistant from dealer to dealer either. It sucks.

It's easy as pie to get a CASH back card with a 1% minimum return. Many are higher depending on what you purchase. I average over 2% with my AmEx Blue Cash.

You'd be crazy to take a 1% credit toward a GM vehicle in lieu of a 1 or higher percent CASH rebate.:think:


Oh, absolutely.

I think for non-GMS people who are going to buy new GM vehicles, you are crazy not to use the GM Card and take advantage of the 5% rebate. You can't beat the reward.

But, for GMS people, the 1% offer is not worthwhile, because you can get better rewards elsewhere... I was just pointing out that it is available.

Pardon my ignorance, but what's the difference between GMS and GM supplier discount? I thought GMS was just another way of saying GM supplier discount.

I thought there was GM employee discount, and then GMS (GM supplier discount). I take it that it doesn't work this way?



GMS = Actual GM employee pricing...

GM Supplier pricing = well... GM Supplier pricing.


:)

Thanks for clarifying that for me. Do you happen to know where, if at all, it is written on a GM site that you can use GM Card earnings with a GM supplier discount?

Not questioning you, just checking to see where it is so I can print it off or something and bring it to a dealer if I have to.

Pardon my ignorance, but what's the difference between GMS and GM supplier discount? I thought GMS was just another way of saying GM supplier discount.

GMS = GM Stock, a GM employee purchasing a car out of dealer stock
GMO = GM Order, a GM employee ordering a new car from the factory (through a dealer)

I don't know if they still have those in the US anymore ... :think:

Thanks for clarifying that for me. Do you happen to know where, if at all, it is written on a GM site that you can use GM Card earnings with a GM supplier discount?

Not questioning you, just checking to see where it is so I can print it off or something and bring it to a dealer if I have to.


I looked around for a while, but I can't find anything on it.

I am not a supplier employee, but I did get a "GM In The Driveway" certificate from a friend who works for GM. This entitled me to supplier pricing, and I was able to use our GM Card earnings in conjunction with the Supplier Price...

Only if you are an ancient member of GM Mastercard can you combine your points w/ GMS. On mine, I cannot, it's one or the the other. Having bought a number of cars in the last 5 years (too many!), it depended on the deal at the time that made our decision. On the Formula, we went GMS and a $500 rebate (you always get the rebates either way). On the CTS, it was GMS again. On the Blazer, they were giving them away, so we whittled them down to nothing and slapped a $1000 of GM card points on them, and I believe we came out UNDER GMS. Finally, w/ the SS, we got that w/ the GM Redtag sale last fall. It was supplier price for everyone, but since we were joe schmo off the street, we got to use our GM Card again, and I think there was a $500 rebate on top of that! Came out about $100 less than GMS as I recall. Bottom line is, you just have to look at all your options and pick the best one on that particular occasion.

GMS = GM Stock, a GM employee purchasing a car out of dealer stock
GMO = GM Order, a GM employee ordering a new car from the factory (through a dealer)

I don't know if they still have those in the US anymore ...
Nope, its all GMS now. GMO used to be the way to go, a bit more discount than GMS, but they stopped it some time ago. Now its just a set percentage off sticker that varies w/ the sticker price. It's usually between 10-16% depending on how much the car costs.

Anyone have any idea what kind of deals a dealer might make on left over '05s?


I found something that caught my eye but if there aren't any serious incentives on them then it wouldn't be worth it.

I can't imagine them having any delusions about getting anything over their cost out of them. Good luck if you found something interesting!

It's tough to find out what invoice/dealer cost is(was), or any good pricing info on new 2005s, that's for sure.

Oh well, I made up my mind today.

One dealer had an '05 CTSv in the Red Line color on their showroom still, but wanted $48,500. Too much money without any incentives for that car.