So are we getting less leg room then the 4th ?

These concept pics of the interior are scaring me a little.... I sure hope the production version has a useable back seat. We've only been complaining about it since 1982.. Anyone got the inside scoop on the leg room of the concept ???

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9089/dsc045856sx.jpg

I can only guess-timate, but it appears to me that there's more room than the 4th Gen. It may not be a significant increase, but it loks to me to be slightly bigger?

I'm not too concerned though...if I want to take a couple of people out and I'm driving, I'll use my Jeep Liberty.

Besides, if the new Camaro arrives, I'll be too busy out by myself, taking nice, long rides, enjoying it. :D

hopefully they will drop the seat a little bit (or adjustable height?) and that will give more room for both your legs and head. :D

I don't see anything wrong with it aside from needing to lower the seats a fair amount.

I was extremely happy with the amount of room the driver and front passenger had in my '02 Camaro.

I'd have that seat further back toward the rear seats I can tell. But I'm unmarried and childless so rear seat room is pretty unimportant. It's pretty rare I have people back there. If I REALLY need more rear room I'll get my friend to drive his '99 Regal (or whatever he has at the time since he's not into sporty cars that lack rear seat room). He'd be more inclined to buy a Lucerne over a Camaro...

Im 6'8" and the Camaro has more than enough leg room for me. The adjustability of the seat and the fact that the bottom of the dash is "high" up unlock a Mustang make it very comfortable. They need to keep that the same.

As for the back, its not made to have adults in it on a regular basis.

A production version will be me useable.

MANY things WILL change from the concept to a production version. MANY.

A production version will be me useable.

MANY things WILL change from the concept to a production version. MANY.

I'm sure that you picked up some tidbits on your test drive Jason. What's the latest? Will the production car grow or shrink, compared to the concept?

I'm sure that you picked up some tidbits on your test drive Jason. What's the latest? Will the production car grow or shrink, compared to the concept?

I am sure I am telling you things that you already know...

...but for everyone else...

Look at the car and picture what would change if it was on a showroom floor. Not the things we WANT to change (or not change), but what needs to make it more useable for a wide range of people.

For example, the roofline is a bit low for a production car. Simple enough, it is safe to assume that it will be to change. Same goes for the seats, etc. Surely, they don't want to design it to generate the same complaints from the same percentage of people about the 4th gen, such as difficulty getting in and out, less than useable rear seats, etc.

The concept is more or less a movie prop and while it is being used for a visual and design aspect, it is only a starting point and will have to pass through countless revisions before it ever makes production. It is very very crucial to keep this in mind, folks. You cannot base everything that the production car will be on the concept. A tremendous amount can and will change on it.

Here is the perfect example:

Example 1 - 1989 Dodge Viper Concept
http://www.carx1.com/wallpapers/04/1989DodgeViperConceptVM-02_1024.jpg

Example 2 - 1993 Dodge Viper Production car
http://wp.ekornveien.com/biler/Dodge%20Viper%20RT-10%20On%20Meadow%20Red%20_1993.jpg

Compare the two images and note the differences. I am not syaing the the Camaro Concept and a production car based on it will have the same differences, but possible differences that are similar in nature.

I am sure I am telling you things that you already know...

...but for everyone else...

Look at the car and picture what would change if it was on a showroom floor. Not the things we WANT to change (or not change), but what needs to make it more useable for a wide range of people.

For example, the roofline is a bit low for a production car. Simple enough, it is safe to assume that it will be to change. Same goes for the seats, etc. Surely, they don't want to design it to generate the same complaints from the same percentage of people about the 4th gen, such as difficulty getting in and out, less than useable rear seats, etc.

The concept is more or less a movie prop and while it is being used for a visual and design aspect, it is only a starting point and will have to pass through countless revisions before it ever makes production. It is very very crucial to keep this in mind, folks. You cannot base everything that the production car will be on the concept. A tremendous amount can and will change on it.

Here is the perfect example:

Example 1 - 1989 Dodge Viper Concept
http://www.carx1.com/wallpapers/04/1989DodgeViperConceptVM-02_1024.jpg

Example 2 - 1993 Dodge Viper Production car
http://wp.ekornveien.com/biler/Dodge%20Viper%20RT-10%20On%20Meadow%20Red%20_1993.jpg

Compare the two images and note the differences. I am not syaing the the Camaro Concept and a production car based on it will have the same differences, but possible differences that are similar in nature.


2nd Pic doesn't work for me... But just looking at the concept without a real model to compare it to, they were very similar.

EDIT- Nevermind, I got the image to come up. They're still extremely similar, but I can see some minor differences. Mainly the roofline of course.

The only problem I see with the Camaro concept being changed much is that they have gotten SO much press and attention that to change even something minor could be a bad thing. They're parading it around more than any other concept in the past (that I'm aware of anyway) and even allowing people to drive it. In most peoples minds, the production version had better be at least 95% true (on the exterior anyway) to the concept... If this 'concept' was to be _close_ to production ready then they should have made it with nothing that needs to be changed more than VERY slightly.

I hope Camaro has a similiar relationship to its concept as that Viper does. If you want to see the opposite of what can happen look at the concept Mustang then production.

They even made it worse by dressing the production model up in 18" wheels that you couldn't get, and an incredible paint scheme that you couldn't get it. But its a Mustang, people will buy it anyway.

On the Viper, I actually like the real production model in comparison to the concept. It would be cool if the Camaro came out as good, as has already been stated. On the rear seat room...perhaps it could double as a bed? :lol: Just kidding...haha

On the Viper, I actually like the real production model in comparison to the concept. It would be cool if the Camaro came out as good, as has already been stated. On the rear seat room...perhaps it could double as a bed? :lol: Just kidding...haha

I agree the Production Viper is more attractive than the concept.

IF they can improve on the Camaro concept (something I have a hard time imagining) then great. I just can't imagine it getting better since the thing(s) that are supposedly going to be changed (mainly the low roofline) are(is) something that's integral to the appearance and stance.

I'd actually like to see somebody photoshop the concept with about a 2 inch higher roofline. When I look at the Concept poster on my wall, the roof looks too low and I think would look better a "slight" bit higher. It's just that the rest of the car is pretty big and there's this tiny little bubble for you to stick your head into. Somebody make it happen!

I hope Camaro has a similiar relationship to its concept as that Viper does. If you want to see the opposite of what can happen look at the concept Mustang then production.

They even made it worse by dressing the production model up in 18" wheels that you couldn't get, and an incredible paint scheme that you couldn't get it. But its a Mustang, people will buy it anyway.

Can you, or someone else post pics of the conept mustang and the production model? I have thought about this before and do not remember too many changes.

I really don't like the idea of a higher roofline. The low roofline on the concept is about the only thing that's keeping it from lookin' top heavy like the new 'Stang. Also, I really don't like the looks of that interior, not only from a visual standpoint but even more so from an ergonomic standpoint...From the looks of it, I'd feel like I was driving in a small pickup...(The same feeling I get when I'm in any of my friend's Mustangs and the new one that I was in as well)...I love the driving position in my Camaro as well as my friend's dad's '01 'Vette and I'd really prefer it be kept similar to that in the new Camaro...When I drove the GTO I also felt like I was sitting uncomfortably high up in it...Again, I felt like I was sitting on the car and not in it and that will be a major problem to me if the new Camaro is the same way.

Here is the Mustang Concepthttp://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/concept/s197/pics/coupe.htm

Seeing it after all this time it looks just as dumpy as the production model. But there are differences, Hood scoops, 400hp V8 lol, hood scoops and window lourvers, shelby tailights, much lower profile and sharkish nose then the production model. Panoramic glass roof and it only has two seats.

Here is the productionhttp://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/shows/detroit04/

Pretty close but the presence of it is completely different, a lot more brickish, tailights highlight how big the rear is, front end lost a lot of its bite etc..

Here is the Mustang Concepthttp://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/concept/s197/pics/coupe.htm

Seeing it after all this time it looks just as dumpy as the production model. But there are differences, Hood scoops, 400hp V8 lol, hood scoops and window lourvers, shelby tailights, much lower profile and sharkish nose then the production model. Panoramic glass roof and it only has two seats.

Here is the productionhttp://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/shows/detroit04/

Pretty close but the presence of it is completely different, a lot more brickish, tailights highlight how big the rear is, front end lost a lot of its bite etc..

I agree completely. The concept was WAY nicer than the production car. The concept was fresher, more modern, more muscular, and sleeker (especially the nose). The production car looks like a slab-sided brick.

I also thought the Mustang Concept looked far hotter than the production version.

I'm almost holding my breathe on how the production Camaro will look compared to the Concept. My biggest fear is that it will grow in size.

Like Jason pointed out, there are going to be things that NEED to be changed on the concept, and in the end of course the production Camaro (like every concept to production change) is going to look different.

Viper is one of those rare instances where the production car looks better. But by the time you factor in realistic wheels, a roof line that people can actually fin in & out of without hitting their heads, realistic bumpers that meet height and protection standards, grill & bumper openings that get enough cooling in, body panels and styling that make mass production realistic, and a host of other things, you are going to have cars that will typically look watered down like the G6, Mustang, Magnum, and nearly every other concept has to one degree or another.

The production Camaro most certainly isn't going to be a carbon copy of the concept, historically not by a long shot. But it's a good bet it's going to have the same design elements and general size.

Like Jason pointed out, there are going to be things that NEED to be changed on the concept, and in the end of course the production Camaro (like every concept to production change) is going to look different.

Viper is one of those rare instances where the production car looks better. But by the time you factor in realistic wheels, a roof line that people can actually fin in & out of without hitting their heads, realistic bumpers that meet height and protection standards, grill & bumper openings that get enough cooling in, body panels and styling that make mass production realistic, and a host of other things, you are going to have cars that will typically look watered down like the G6, Mustang, Magnum, and nearly every other concept has to one degree or another.

The production Camaro most certainly isn't going to be a carbon copy of the concept, historically not by a long shot. But it's a good bet it's going to have the same design elements and general size.


So everyone should brace themselves for the very real possibility that we will be disappointed when a production model is unveiled...

At least that's how I feel after reading your post anyway.

So everyone should brace themselves for the very real possibility that we will be disappointed when a production model is unveiled...

At least that's how I feel after reading your post anyway.

Dissapointment is based on your expectations. You should expect it to be like the concept car while being usable in the real world.

I'd be driving a Mustang right now if Ford didn't butcher the production version so badly. They took a beautiful concept and destroyed it. I'll have to see the production Camaro to believe it, but the rumor mill says changes won't hurt the design.

Like Jason pointed out, there are going to be things that NEED to be changed on the concept, and in the end of course the production Camaro (like every concept to production change) is going to look different.

Viper is one of those rare instances where the production car looks better. But by the time you factor in realistic wheels, a roof line that people can actually fin in & out of without hitting their heads, realistic bumpers that meet height and protection standards, grill & bumper openings that get enough cooling in, body panels and styling that make mass production realistic, and a host of other things, you are going to have cars that will typically look watered down like the G6, Mustang, Magnum, and nearly every other concept has to one degree or another.

The production Camaro most certainly isn't going to be a carbon copy of the concept, historically not by a long shot. But it's a good bet it's going to have the same design elements and general size.
So are we talking Solstice, Aura, or Aztek concept to production?

Here is the perfect example:

Example 1 - 1989 Dodge Viper Concept
http://www.carx1.com/wallpapers/04/1989DodgeViperConceptVM-02_1024.jpg

Example 2 - 1993 Dodge Viper Production car
http://wp.ekornveien.com/biler/Dodge%20Viper%20RT-10%20On%20Meadow%20Red%20_1993.jpg



Sorry Jason.. but that's NOT the perfect example...

this IS the perfect example:

Production Solstice
http://www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/firstdrive/2006/pontiac.solstice/05.pontiac.solstice.act.500.jpg

Concept Solstice
http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/amcar/usa/bilder/sol1.jpg

The only big disapointment I could see is if the production rims/wheels are too small. Solstice got 18"s, down from 20"s on the concept. Camaro concept has 21"-22" rims. Production is going to need at least 18"s to look as good, and thats on the V6's. I'd probably want 19-20"s on the V8 cars so it looks as good as the concept.

I'd stick to 18s all around. 19/20 inch tires are way too expensive

How heavy are 20 inch wheels going to be from the factory? Personally, i'd rather keep them in the 17-18 inch range, especially on the base.