What Are The Odds of a Turbo...

With the rumor of a blown 5th Gen coming soon, and on one other thread someone mentioned a turbo being a good way to differentiate it from the GT500, which is an awesome idea to me, what are the odds of that happening? We thought the solstice was getting supercharged but then we got pics of the turbo set up. Just wishing I guess.

i was actually thinking about a turbo setup instead of supercharger for the 5th gen (if it goes the FI route) and considering making a poll about it.

I think I'd prefer the turbo over the supercharger. But I wouldn't mind the supercharger one bit.

I think a blower of some kind would definitely attract some of the tuner crowd, especially if there's a blown, V6, 6spd version...tho I wouldn't mind a centrifical charged V8, easier to intercool, and upgrade.

tho I wouldn't mind a centrifical charged V8, easier to intercool, and upgrade.

Has there ever been a factory car built for mass production with a centrifugal blower? I can't really of one. Not really sure why this is either.

I thought that ford had a paxton option for the thunderbird but do not know what year.

here is a link on the subject:


http://www.vs57.com/vr57introduction.htm

yes.. the Grand Prix GTP had a supercharger. Now, for a blown Camaro? Even thought I like the idea of turbo.. if it does happen it will most probably be a supercharger.

Supercharger is the way to go, especially a twin screw. The charger will give more horsepower thru out the whole range of power. Also they last forever, because there are no parts touching and wearing. A turbo will not give you as much and as broad power as of a supercharger. I think, not 100% sure but don't turbo burn out, or crap out. If its gonna be a supercharger let it be a Whipple or Kenne Bell!

LPE has long been a supporter of twin turbos...with much success and accolaides..interestingly though, they do also offer some SC packages (LS2 GTO for example)...but I still love what their TT vette packages are capable of...one can only dream & drool...

Supercharger is the way to go, especially a twin screw. The charger will give more horsepower thru out the whole range of power. Also they last forever, because there are no parts touching and wearing. A turbo will not give you as much and as broad power as of a supercharger. I think, not 100% sure but don't turbo burn out, or crap out. If its gonna be a supercharger let it be a Whipple or Kenne Bell!
Do the screws have electromagnetic bearings and forcefields so that they don't touch anything? :)

A turbo would probably give you better performance, but I bet they are probably somewhere between 'unlikely' and 'not going to happen' for the Camaro.

Its all about packaging costs...the roots-type blowers are packaged with the motor and that simplifies installation, service, etc. etc. vs. a turbo or centrifugal blower setup. I don't think we'll ever see an OEM centrifugal.

yes.. the Grand Prix GTP had a supercharger. Now, for a blown Camaro? Even thought I like the idea of turbo.. if it does happen it will most probably be a supercharger.

The GTP had a roots blower. Except for maybe the TBird, I have not heard of any centrifugal blowers on a factory car.

Supercharger is the way to go, especially a twin screw. The charger will give more horsepower thru out the whole range of power. Also they last forever, because there are no parts touching and wearing. A turbo will not give you as much and as broad power as of a supercharger. I think, not 100% sure but don't turbo burn out, or crap out. If its gonna be a supercharger let it be a Whipple or Kenne Bell!

Superchargers can and do wear out. A turbo engine can have just as broad a range of power as any supercharger, it all depends on setup. The big turbo import cars typically have peaky powerbands, because the motors they typically use are small.

Its all about packaging costs...the roots-type blowers are packaged with the motor and that simplifies installation, service, etc. etc. vs. a turbo or centrifugal blower setup. I don't think we'll ever see an OEM centrifugal.


Exactly, meaning no chance we will see a turbo......plus this blown motor is already in the works;)

Thats really a shame if there cant be a turbo instead of a blower. Sure packaging would be a minor issue but could be overcome without not too much hassle I would believe. Not only would you pull some or most of the hardcore enthusiasts with little to no allegiance to Ford or GM in the market for a GT500 as well as many others interested in a fairly unique low $40k car. At this point cost difference is relatively unimportant and could easily command a minute price premium over the GT500 such as $1-3k...maybe. I'll be very far from the target market for this car anyway by the time it is released but I'd rather see a turbo Camaro from a product offering standpoint.

Sure packaging would be a minor issue but could be overcome without not too much hassle I would believe. .

I’m curious how do you think packaging a Turbo would be a "minor issue" for a production car?

And exactly where are you getting your info that this would not be "too much of a hassle"?

Exactly, meaning no chance we will see a turbo......plus this blown motor is already in the works;)

UGH.

> Except for maybe the TBird, I have not heard of any centrifugal blowers on a >factory car.

The Studebaker Avannti had a Paxton centrifugal blower option.

Bob

> Except for maybe the TBird, I have not heard of any centrifugal blowers on a >factory car.

The Studebaker Avannti had a Paxton centrifugal blower option.

Bob

OK, well that counts, but are there any late model cars equipped with a centrifugal blower?

>OK, well that counts, but are there any late model cars equipped with a >centrifugal blower?

Geez, RussStang, anybody as old as me still considers 1960's car as "late models". The 1935 Auburn speedster had a centrifugal supercharger too. Now that's an old car. Seriously, I think you're correct in that there are no late model cars that came with OEM centrifugal superchargers.

Bob

Koenigsegg CCR :)

You know I was firm when I said before 427 or bust, but I have to admit having a factory turbo Camaro would heavily weigh on me to the point of taking a blown non NA car.

Depending on how much room is in the engine compartment casting in flanges to bolt two turbos in might not be totally of base. Two well sized ball bearing turbos would do just of good of a job if not better than a Super charger. I think given what is out there and what has become more popular again in the automotive industry there is a good chance that it will be in the running as viable options.

I’m curious how do you think packaging a Turbo would be a "minor issue" for a production car?

And exactly where are you getting your info that this would not be "too much of a hassle"?
GN all over agian? If so this will be me ->:bow: GM

Tta > Gn

Koenigsegg CCR :)

Thanks. Theres one at least.

I thought I saw a cetrifugal blower in a Ford Lightning...was I seeing aftermarket???
And wasn't there a v6 turbo Gran Prix in the early '90's??

I thought I saw a cetrifugal blower in a Ford Lightning...was I seeing aftermarket???
roots
And wasn't there a v6 turbo Gran Prix in the early '90's??
Yep 89-91 Grand Prix Turbo 3.1 OHV tuned by McClaren.

Turbo with an engine based on the I6 they use in the Trailblazer ;)

How about, let the public get the car first, sell some of the models before GM goes off on a "gearhead" tangent

:p

When did the Tbird have a centrifugal blower? I remember the roots blown V6...

It didnt...only the roots blower on their 3.8L

Okay, so what about production cars with a turbo V8? The only one I can think of is the Lotus Esprit.

I can think of lots of examples of supercharged V8s, but I'm drawing a blank on any more turbos. Anyone?

Okay, so what about production cars with a turbo V8? The only one I can think of is the Lotus Esprit.

I can think of lots of examples of supercharged V8s, but I'm drawing a blank on any more turbos. Anyone?
Turbo 4.9 Trans Am. Also Mercedes 6.3 SC V8. For Turbo maybe Ferrarri?

Turbo 4.9 Trans Am. Also Mercedes 6.3 SC V8. For Turbo maybe Ferrarri?
The Benz is supercharged, and unless there's one I don't know about (possible), the TTA is a V6.

The Benz is supercharged, and unless there's one I don't know about (possible), the TTA is a V6.
The Mercedes SL65 AMG, S65 AMG, and CL65 AMG all have a 6.0 L Twin Turbo V12.

612 hp
738 lb tq.

...beasts to say the least.

The Benz is supercharged, and unless there's one I don't know about (possible), the TTA is a V6.

Single turbo V8 TA was available in 80-81.

Single turbo V8 TA was available in 80-81.
Okay, so is there anything more modern? For the sake of discussion, let's say MY 2000 or newer.

Turbo 4.9 Trans Am. Also Mercedes 6.3 SC V8. For Turbo maybe Ferrarri?

Ferrari F40.

The Benz is supercharged, and unless there's one I don't know about (possible), the TTA is a V6.
SC means Super Charged. I was just throwing it in as an example of a modern high tech FI engine.

I know SC means supercharged. It seemed like you didn't, since you offered it as an answer to my question. :p

F40 barely qualifies as a production car.

I didn't know we were talking about cars that barely quality as production vehicles. I thought we were talking about factory turbo v8s? In which case, the F40 is one example.

Esprits were none to common either.

I didn't know we were talking about cars that barely quality as production vehicles. I thought we were talking about factory turbo v8s? In which case, the F40 is one example.

Esprits were none to common either.
We're talking about the odds of a turbo on a Camaro. That's (going to be) a production car with sales forecasts reaching into six digits per year.

I only mentioned the Lotus because it was the only turbo V8 I could think of. The rarity of the model itself only backs up the point that turbo V8s are uncommon.

I know what we are talking about, and I am not trying to turn this into a big arguement. Yes, it is probably pretty unlikely we will see a turbo on a factory Camaro anytime soon.