What are the chances that the Camaro will keep its Projectors and not switch to Halogens.

I mean, they use them on the Vette.

Even if it was only an option, i would still love to see some Xenon, or maybe if we are really lucky, LED headlights.

 

I dunno. I think it is probably unlikely though. Xenons are just a neat type of headlight, but not a salebreaker in most people's eyes, so I could imagine GM leaving them off to keep the MSRP of the car down.

 

I dont know, they arent that expensive, maybe add it as a 500-600 dollar option. I mean, they could still leave them off most of the cars, but it could be an option at the least.

 

HIDs are great for the driver, but for other drivers that have to look into them, they absolutely suck. Whenever a car with them comes at me head on, I literally have to turn my eyes away. Any safety advantage gained by the guy with HIDs is lost by the people coming the other way.

 

I'd be ok if it was an option. I'm perfectly fine with 'normal' headlights. $500-$600 can be spent better elsewhere (I don't necessarily mean on the car) imo. Headlights aren't an important aspect of the car to me. As long as they light my way, I'm fine.

Though I do hope they keep the 'halo' effect if at all possible.

 

That is because they are not aimed properly, that or you are below the cutoff point.

I would love HIDs, but a C6 will probably be my decision unless the Camaro is something I just can't pass on.

 

I agree 100% (I don't have HIDs on any of my cars BTW); I've never had a problem with oncomming cars (Audis, Mercs, BMWs and Japanese high end cars) and HIDs any more so than oncomming cars with halogen untis.

Far worse IMO are Trucks and SUVs, being higher simply by design. Bottom line is that any headlights are a problem when not aimed correctly and HIDs are worse when this happens.

I think the HID issue has been blown way out of proportion.

 

I haven't see any of these cars that didn't have amazingly blinding headlights.

The fact that they are a 'blue' color doesnt' help. They are very 'piercing' when driving head on toward me. Blue light is more harsh on eyes than the 'yellow/white' of halogen. This was even on tv some time ago. I forget what it was on though, the local news I believe.

All in all, I hate driving toward anything with HID headlights... And, I too, have to turn away slightly when facing them.

 

They aren't "Blue", it's the cutoff point that is blue. The factory color is 4300K, which is a pure white. Anything you see that is naturally blue, is either a color changed reflector HID lamp, or aftermarket. If you knew how they worked, you would know that the cutoff point prevents glare from going past a certain point, making it far less blinding than a standard halogen bulb. You can see an HID projector cutoff point very well in the pic below. Absolutely ZERO light is being emitted past that cutoff point, so there isn't any reason why it would blind you if aimed properly.

Notice how while being next to the Cobalt SS, the cutoff isn't anywhere near it's rear view mirrors or windows.

http://picsorban.com/upload/picture%20040sm.jpg

You can see the blue cutoff point better in this pic. This is what causes the blue flicker effect you see when passing a car with HID projectors.

http://picsorban.com/upload/picture%20042sm.jpg

Now, if you are on uneven surfaces, it is possible you will enter and exit the car's cutoff point, which is what causes the blue flicker as shown in this pic.

http://picsorban.com/upload/picture%20045sm.jpg

The same effect is seen on cars with halogen projectors as well, although not as extreme.

In this final pic, you can see that it isn't very blinding at all above the cutoff point, and that it's a pure white color.

http://picsorban.com/upload/picture%20046sm.jpg

Here is a pic of the silverstars for direct comparison.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...48_41_full.jpg

 

TRUE Story.

I dont know what you guys are freakin out about, you do know that one day ALL automotive healights will be HID/Xenon/LED right?

They arent bright enough for the DOT to turn them down, maybe you just shouldnt stare at them or something, the only time i see them when they are to bright, is when some dumb swamp donkey has HID's in a Halogen housing, causing hotspots and alot of glare.

 

All I know is what I usually see. And what I usually see, I don't like.

You say the brightness of HIDs is blown out of proportion? I agree. I think the usefulness of HIDs is blown out of proportion. Combined with the potential to blind people in oncoming traffic, I really don't see what the hype is about.

And no, I'm not being a baby, or whatever. I'm normally all about new advancements in technology. But I don't see a vast increase in useful visibility over plain old halogens. Remember that headlights are used so other traffic can see you coming just as much as they are to see in front of your own car. Halogens serve both purposes just fine....especially when 95% of most people's driving is done in well-lit metropolitan areas anyway.

 

Projector headlamps aren't necessary true HIDs and don't necessarily use Xenon gas.

On the Vette they are xenon projectors, and they definitely look great IMO.

I'd bet some money that the Camaro will use projector headlights but I do doubt that they will be xenon - at least not as standard equipment.

I don't think that Xenon lamps will ever fully take over the industry. I can see LEDs taking over with a quickness, though.

 

I'm perfectly fine with normal headlight bulbs, so long as they aren't awkward, EXPENSIVE sealed beams like on the 4th gen. That has to be my biggest gripe about my car: To replace a light bulb involves trying to find either an H4351 or H4352 for low/high respectively and after finding them, the price is too high. At Canadian Tire, the cheapest I've found them, the bulbs cost $50 Canadian EACH.

 

I wasn't sold on HID's until my wife got a 350z. HOLY COW!!! They make such a huge difference, especially in bad weather. They ease eye strain on poorly marked roads as well (such as all over Michigan). I'd gladly pay extra for them, but would LOVE to see them standard.

Of course I'd love to see a HUD, too - but I'm not holding my breath on that one. To me a HUD is more of a safety feature than anything because your focus never leaves the road - my wife's Z has a speedometer high up on the dash at the center and I find it SO much easier to glance at that than the speedo behind the steering wheel - a HUD is even better!

 

I get that you are trying to point out that in ideal conditions the lights may not be blue or blinding, but unfortunately...

Roads are more or less uneven and have twists, turns, inclines and declines. And cars sit at different heights.

It's not a matter of seeing blue only when passing these vehicles. Regardless of distance I've never seen one that wasn't blue or blinding.

On the other hand, I have never come across a halogen low beam that has bothered me in the least. In any condition.

Halogen is plenty bright, there's no _need_ for another type of headlight.