Ugly-Retro

I thought the retro-Mustang was ugly and a bad idea, until I saw the new Retro-Look Camaro,.....it is truly horrid!!! a Hyundai looks more sporty than this lack of design and imagination that the new retro Camaro inspires.
Hey GM, I'll hold on to my "REAL" Camaro , a '97 Camaro.

Your opinion flies in the face of the vast majority. The new concept has been warmly embraced by most and has a good balance of new styling and heritage elements, IMHO.

Here's the most-asked question of the year:

Have your seen the car in person?

I know, I know,....I guess everyone is blind Happy that they "GM" has resurrected our beloved Camaro, (i was too until i saw the curtain raise unvailing "it"). They are not concerned at all that it looks like a brick w/ headlights. In my defense,.. I don't like anything retro except maybe music.

I wonder how many Z-28 owners would have prefered a more streamlined/futuristic version over the one that is to be built.

I didn't much care for the Nissan's resurrected "Z",...didn't think that they could improve upon the 90's version; but it is slowly growing on me. Anyway Nissan engineers went the other direction and let it evolve into futuristic style (then again a retro version for it would have been a Datson 240Z,..which are still not too shabby looking, in my view).

please excuse my ranting,...
"Long live the Z-28!!!!"

Well, you can't accuse people for being blind simply for having their opinion...just like you do.

Did you happen to see the car in person?

Do you agree that the 350Z pulls many styling cues from the 300Z? It does, the 350Z is an evolution directly from the 300Z with modern styling cues as well. The new Camaro is similar; only Chevy chose to start with the 1st generation Camaro where Nissan chose the 300Z as the starting point. The new Camaro in my opinion is an evolution based off the gen 1 with STRONG modern styling. I see the Camaro as more modern than retro; it has retro styling cues in a modern design. Cars I see more retro than modern are Tunderbird, Mustang, Challenger; these are just plain retro. The Mustang concept was more modern with its hard lines, but those got washed away in the production car. So I'm happy with Camaro, I feel it is evolving and moving into the future, imo.

how do we keep the crack heads off of here? There isn't ANYTHING wrong with the "new" Camaro. I currently own a 4th gen f-body and have absolutely NO problem with the throwback look of the new one. In fact I was HOPING for a 69ish style and got what I wanted. The 69 is without question the most beloved of all Camaros. If you want a futuristic one, stick around, it will evolve into one. But shame on any true Camaro fan who utters a discouraging word about the future plans to bring the car back. (Even if the design is not to thier liking) Just get on your knees and thank God that someone at GM had sense and the gonads to bring it back.

I thought the retro-Mustang was ugly and a bad idea, until I saw the new Retro-Look Camaro,.....it is truly horrid!!! a Hyundai looks more sporty than this lack of design and imagination that the new retro Camaro inspires.
Hey GM, I'll hold on to my "REAL" Camaro , a '97 Camaro.


I'm not a huge fan of the new Camaro, but to say it lacks design and imagination is a little bit to much. Sounds like your trying to pick a fight. Only 10 yr olds do that.

All I can say anyone that says this car is retro needs another pair of glasses.
It is a true modern design on a well known car. I can say a car is retro because 20 years ago it had 4 wheels, a trunk, and a motor up front or what ever and still does. I did see the car unvailed and have seen it in person since then close up and in private and my wife is one of the few to ride in it and is the first car she has loved at first sight and thats saying alot for her.
Is the car retro (far from it)

I still cannot possibly fathom how people can convince themselves that the 5th gen concept is not retro. Look at the damn car. It takes almost all of it's influence straight from a 1st gen Camaro, a car that was designed in a different automotive epoch. I can understand someone saying that the new Camaro is less retro inspired then the new Mustang, but that doesn't make it none retro. Look no further than to the magazines and the blogs. Everyone describes the car as retro. Sure, it has a modern edge, but it is still a retro looking car. Good luck convincing the rest of the world that the car is not retro.

I was skimming through the newest issue of Classic Motor Trend, and they had a comparo between the 67 Mustang and the 67 Camaro. I found it interesting that back then Motor Trend did not hold the console mounted ancillary gauges in high regard. This is something that people thought was stupid almost 40 years ago, and yet we might still be getting this dumb ass console gauges in our "fully modern" 5th gen.

Welp he doesn't like it at all...I guess we should have made it look nothing at all like a Camaro and just call it one maybe even added 4 doors to it. I mean seriously it doesn't matter if it shares no looks from the previous models because after all no one cares about that, that is why the GTO is selling so well, or why the Charger is being given to business men as a company car.

In all seriousness though, GM knew that if they brought the Camaro back that simply changing the front bumper and the rear tail lights wasn't going to cut it. Building a car that ressembles the 1st gen more closely makes perfect sense, why because it sells. When people buy a Camaro they want it to be recognized as such. There should be no wonder as to whether it is a new Supra, Viper or otherwise, these reasons are why they pull design cues out from the past...so that there is icon or brand identification. Building a Camaro that is sleek and futuristic while it may be cool for us grear heads isn't going to sell the car to the average joe who had a vintage Camaro or always wanted one. Instead the futuristic car will sell to the same group of people as the 4th gen did...not much base model v6 sales in that crowd and that is what we need. We need a car that speeks to the volumes of people who loved the looks of the past Camaros not some thing that only serves one niche of this very small market that is muscle cars.

Even if it IS retro, so what? More importantly, it is ALL Camaro.

Even if it IS retro, so what? More importantly, it is ALL Camaro.

My point wasn't does it look good or not. I think GM did a good job on it. My point was, this car is retro. It seems to me people have been trying to find all manner of loopholes in the definition to try and classify this as none retro, but just about everywhere you go for a review, its retroness is noted, and rightly so.

I thought the retro-Mustang was ugly and a bad idea, until I saw the new Retro-Look Camaro,.....it is truly horrid!!! a Hyundai looks more sporty than this lack of design and imagination that the new retro Camaro inspires.
Hey GM, I'll hold on to my "REAL" Camaro , a '97 Camaro.

Is there any new cars you DO like?

I think the problem with the entire "retro" thing going around is it is fashionable to call something retro. It's a fad. So everyone is calling everything retro now. There's a fine line between using old (retro, whatever word you choose to use) cues to design something new. Right now people don't understand that line and call everything retro. For example, Is the new Lambrgini retro to you? Answer...no. But according to how you use the retro label on the Camaro you should also label the Lambrohini as retro. It pulls its styling cues from the 1980's. The 350Z is retro also since it pulls cues from the 1990's. The Mitshubishi Evolution is retro because it uses the same styling from the 1980's. This is all wrong, these cars are not retro, they are use modern interpretations of old (some choose to call retro) cues and brand heritage. Is the Louve (museum in Paris) retro because it has a glass pyramid? That's as retro as it gets right? Of coursse not. The pyramid at the louve is modern and if I.M. Pei heard me call it retro he'd b**ch slap me. If your into fads go by an overpriced $100 Von Dutch trucker hat and wear it everyday, but please stop rewriting the dictionary. No hard feelings, jut my opinion.

I thought the retro-Mustang was ugly and a bad idea, until I saw the new Retro-Look Camaro,.....it is truly horrid!!! a Hyundai looks more sporty than this lack of design and imagination that the new retro Camaro inspires.
Hey GM, I'll hold on to my "REAL" Camaro , a '97 Camaro.

ah another person that agrees with me and will next except this piece of crap known as the concept camaro.

And yes I've seen it in person from every angle and it made me like it less in person.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I wouldn't lose sleep over any of it. :)

I think the problem with the entire "retro" thing going around is it is fashionable to call something retro. It's a fad. So everyone is calling everything retro now. There's a fine line between using old (retro, whatever word you choose to use) cues to design something new. Right now people don't understand that line and call everything retro. For example, Is the new Lambrgini retro to you? Answer...no. But according to how you use the retro label on the Camaro you should also label the Lambrohini as retro. It pulls its styling cues from the 1980's. The 350Z is retro also since it pulls cues from the 1990's. The Mitshubishi Evolution is retro because it uses the same styling from the 1980's. This is all wrong, these cars are not retro, they are use modern interpretations of old (some choose to call retro) cues and brand heritage. Is the Louve (museum in Paris) retro because it has a glass pyramid? That's as retro as it gets right? Of coursse not. The pyramid at the louve is modern and if I.M. Pei heard me call it retro he'd b**ch slap me. If your into fads go by an overpriced $100 Von Dutch trucker hat and wear it everyday, but please stop rewriting the dictionary. No hard feelings, jut my opinion.

No, it really is retro. Oh, I'm sorry it's "heritage" :lol: Why try so hard to convince yourself otherwise?????

How can you look at the car and see nothing modern? set it side by side with an F-22.

You can call it whatever you like.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.

Let me say this: The Concept Camaro-- has been better received than any other car in our history in terms of positive versus negative comments.

Period.

That fact becomes even more apparent with the advent of the internet. (easier and more convenient to contact us and tell us what you think..)

As you probably know, I've toured with the car extensively. Our Fbody enthusiasts are not shy about telling me what they think. Invariably, those who declared they didn't like the car will come up to me and say "wow --everyone was right -- you really DO have to see the car in person -- I've changed my mind-- where do I sign?"

So -- and this isn't meant in any disrespect -- I'm sorry you don't like the car -- there are many others out there to choose from -- and it's a free country -- so you can choose something else if you really don't like the Camaro.
........but I'm beyond elation at the positive (-- and that positive is nearly all majority -- very few in the minority -- ) response to the car.

I should probably also point out that the 2nd gen cars were incredibly polarizing -- you either loved them or hated them when they FIRST came out. And the numbers and percentage of those who hated them were substantial -- yet the 2nd gen car went on to be the best selling generation of all time -- and by the way -- in 1979 -- toward the end of the 2nd gen lifecycle-- we sold 282,000 Camaros!

So -- again, we're sorry that a couple of you don't like it..... we still think it needs to be built -- and I think it will be incredibly successful.

So we've got two less people on the waiting list. That's goody for the rest of us who are chomping at the bit to get our hands on one of these cars.

How can you look at the car and see nothing modern? set it side by side with an F-22.

I can definitely see some modern styling, it's not a first gen. replica for sure. Just because it's not a reproduction does not mean it's not retro because it most certainly is. Everyone can argue over their definition but the media, car people, and non car people alike feel it's retro. About the only place have I heard anyone say it's not retro is here in this forum. It's usually by people with "build it retro GM!" in their sig. Either they are trying to convince some of us who aren't happy with the styling to like it or are pissed off because it's not a total and blatant rip off of a first gen.

Unlike 99% of the buying public there's a lot more that goes into my buying decision than what it looks like. It is certainly not disgusting, it's just uninspiring. At least it has some crisp lines and angles which I much prefer to bubble cars. If it is truly a good car I will still consider purchasing one. It won't be the perfect Camaro in my eyes because of the styling but it could still be a very good car, just not something to be passionate about. The only thing I know for sure GM won't screw up is powertrain but I'm not positive about the rest. It appears to be following the Mustang formula (which has defined the market and GM likes to be a follower) which will ensure I don't buy one. If the styling is retro, it's massive, and nothing is really exceptional (save for the power) than it'll be the ultimate disappointment.

I still have this eery feeling that the pony car is officially dead. Maybe the pony car simply couldn't survive with today's market and regulations. Maybe my notion of a pony car is just really screwed up :)

I can definitely see some modern styling, it's not a first gen. replica for sure. Just because it's not a reproduction does not mean it's not retro because it most certainly is. Everyone can argue over their definition but the media, car people, and non car people alike feel it's retro. About the only place have I heard anyone say it's not retro is here in this forum. It's usually by people with "build it retro GM!" in their sig. Either they are trying to convince some of us who aren't happy with the styling to like it or are pissed off because it's not a total and blatant rip off of a first gen.

Unlike 99% of the buying public there's a lot more that goes into my buying decision than what it looks like. It is certainly not disgusting, it's just uninspiring. At least it has some crisp lines and angles which I much prefer to bubble cars. If it is truly a good car I will still consider purchasing one. It won't be the perfect Camaro in my eyes because of the styling but it could still be a very good car, just not something to be passionate about. The only thing I know for sure GM won't screw up is powertrain but I'm not positive about the rest. It appears to be following the Mustang formula (which has defined the market and GM likes to be a follower) which will ensure I don't buy one. If the styling is retro, it's massive, and nothing is really exceptional (save for the power) than it'll be the ultimate disappointment.

I still have this eery feeling that the pony car is officially dead. Maybe the pony car simply couldn't survive with today's market and regulations. Maybe my notion of a pony car is just really screwed up :)

Well, you have your idea of what retro is, and I have mine. You are not the dictionary king, so just because you say 'it's retro', does not make it so.

I'd say, yes, it definetely has the cues of past Camaros. But it's looks pretty modern, to me! I saw a pic on this site with, was it a '69 and the Concept side by side? They looked more different than the same, to me. But that's just my humble opinion. :)

Everyone is absolutely entitled to his/her opinion...plain and simple if you don't like it, don't buy it. But if you don't like it, don't try and convince other people to agree with you. Go buy whatever you like.

I love it, I've seen it in person and loved it more. I've owned 1st and 2nd gen Camaro's and a list of other GM muscle cars and will be emptying out my garage to make roon for my 5th gen.:bow:

Lucky enough to be at the unveiling loved it! Just got back from G10 saw it again can not wait to have this car! If you did not get goose bump's when scott fired it up and drove it through the line of F-Body's you need to check yourself for a heartbeat! This car will own the street's:bow:

I should probably also point out that the 2nd gen cars were incredibly polarizing -- you either loved them or hated them when they FIRST came out. And the numbers and percentage of those who hated them were substantial -- yet the 2nd gen car went on to be the best selling generation of all time -- and by the way -- in 1979 -- toward the end of the 2nd gen lifecycle-- we sold 282,000 Camaros!

So -- again, we're sorry that a couple of you don't like it..... we still think it needs to be built -- and I think it will be incredibly successful.

LOL Scott I was just going to say the same thing. There is always someone who doesnt like the newest Generation of cars coming out. I Remember Telling my husband (this is before we were in to the whole Camaro lifestyle & still owning the mustangs (yes Scott I did own 3 Mustangs lol)That I hated the looks of the 4th Gen Camaros, Would NOT own one no matter what he tried to do. Since that Day we have owned 2 4th Gens, Several 3rd Gens and a few 2nd Gens.

by the way Ms. Krazzyperson -- I'm coming out for the PNWCC show -- it's kinda hit and run.......

And NO you can't have the keys.

But but I get to Droll over it right???????? or you give me a ride in it???

LOL & Scott you can use my name you remember it dont you lol

Well, you have your idea of what retro is, and I have mine. You are not the dictionary king, so just because you say 'it's retro', does not make it so.

I'd say, yes, it definetely has the cues of past Camaros. But it's looks pretty modern, to me! I saw a pic on this site with, was it a '69 and the Concept side by side? They looked more different than the same, to me. But that's just my humble opinion. :)

Im with you. Its not the "5thgen69camaro" retro I was hoping for. Though I also see enough 69 in it to admit some retro, or 69 heritage. The taillights are completely different. The front slopes down, foglights moved to the outer edges. I was hoping for a 69 retro as the most sought after today, but admit a slightly new spin may have opened it up to a larger audience. Even when I used to argue that bringin back a 69 retro car, putting some of a BMW Jr. spin on the car was what I hoped would be included which it was. I just hope it doesnt lose the ques of my beloved 69 that it does have between now and production...

I wish I was as as diplomatic as Scott and Jason. My instinct would be to say get out of line and let those who love it in there first. But I also do hope those who dont get a good look in person before deciding. Its going to be at Carlisle soon?

Well, you have your idea of what retro is, and I have mine. You are not the dictionary king, so just because you say 'it's retro', does not make it so.

I'd say, yes, it definetely has the cues of past Camaros. But it's looks pretty modern, to me! I saw a pic on this site with, was it a '69 and the Concept side by side? They looked more different than the same, to me. But that's just my humble opinion. :)

Let me ask you something then. What kind of car on sale right now would you consider retro designed? Anything? Your definition of retro seems to exclude anything new from actually being retro, regardless of how it looks.

I say which ever camp you are in its a good great mix of modern and retro. I think they got it right for once.

Let me ask you something then. What kind of car on sale right now would you consider retro designed? Anything? Your definition of retro seems to exclude anything new from actually being retro, regardless of how it looks.

I guess my definition of 'retro' would be something that is not just influenced by the past models, but has most if not the same look as it's predecessor. Like the Challenger. The Charger I might agree to be slightly retro, and the Mustang, mostly.

I'll admit, the Concept is not a 100% jump in a forward direction, compared to the 4th gen, futuristically speaking. But I guess with the front end, and the rear end looking the way it does, like I said (side by side with the '69), it doesn't look like it's twin.

To me, it's not important whether it's retro or not anyway. If you like it, good. If not, find something else! :)

Im with you. Its not the "5thgen69camaro" retro I was hoping for. Though I also see enough 69 in it to admit some retro, or 69 heritage. The taillights are completely different. The front slopes down, foglights moved to the outer edges. I was hoping for a 69 retro as the most sought after today, but admit a slightly new spin may have opened it up to a larger audience. Even when I used to argue that bringin back a 69 retro car, putting some of a BMW Jr. spin on the car was what I hoped would be included which it was. I just hope it doesnt lose the ques of my beloved 69 that it does have between now and production...

I wish I was as as diplomatic as Scott and Jason. My instinct would be to say get out of line and let those who love it in there first. But I also do hope those who dont get a good look in person before deciding. Its going to be at Carlisle soon?

That's funny! Personally at first I was hoping for an all new modern Camaro! When I finally saw the Concept, I was surprised. I liked it, well, all except the nose. But finally even that is growing on me. And yes, I'm glad they kept some cues from the 69. :cool:

Everyone is absolutely entitled to his/her opinion...plain and simple if you don't like it, don't buy it. But if you don't like it, don't try and convince other people to agree with you. Go buy whatever you like.



:bow: AMEN! :bow:

The car will be hugely successful that is for sure. As for the retro thing I'm not arguing the point. Retro is normally associated with copying an original design on a new sheet and pushing it as something new. The new Camaro isnt anything like that.

Sure it has the 1st gen influenced shape (which is a good thing bc it has to look like a Camaro), but to my eye, I see a whole lot more of C6 and Art and Science styling on top ot it. And those are modern GM designs. And that blend of old and new styling just turned out DAMN GOOD :cool:

:bow: AMEN! :bow:

The car will be hugely successful that is for sure. As for the retro thing I'm not arguing the point. Retro is normally associated with copying an original design on a new sheet and pushing it as something new. The new Camaro isnt anything like that.

Sure it has the 1st gen influenced shape (which is a good thing bc it has to look like a Camaro), but to my eye, I see a whole lot more of C6 and Art and Science styling on top ot it. And those are modern GM designs. And that blend of old and new styling just turned out DAMN GOOD :cool:

Very well said I agree and can't wait to have one in my drive

Very well said I agree and can't wait to have one in my drive
Ditto!:D

I'm not a huge fan of the new Camaro, but to say it lacks design and imagination is a little bit to much. Sounds like your trying to pick a fight. Only 10 yr olds do that.


10 year olds may pick fights but only a 5 year old would do it when so vastly outnumbered by the majority of the users on this site.

That's funny! Personally at first I was hoping for an all new modern Camaro! When I finally saw the Concept, I was surprised. I liked it, well, all except the nose. But finally even that is growing on me. And yes, I'm glad they kept some cues from the 69. :cool:

and the tail lights keep growing on me more and more which I didnt expect...

The whole 5th gen Camaro has grown on me. At first, I thought it looked like a brick (compared to an early 4th gen, everything looks like a brick). Now I think it's an appealing design that stands on its own.

As far as retro is concerned, I think the 'retro' is more obvious in the purpose behind the design. Whereas the Camaro had evolved into a kind of 4-seater Vette, the 5th gen seems a return to the original design philosophy. In the styling department, I see a lot of 3rd gen meets 1st gen styling cues... but all the curves seem uniquely new. In contrast with the Mustang, the new Camaro doesn't seem intended to look retro, as opposed to incidentally looking retro because of a return to the car's original purpose.

^I think that that's the best description of how the styling isn't retro that I've heard.

I thought the retro-Mustang was ugly and a bad idea, until I saw the new Retro-Look Camaro,.....it is truly horrid!!! a Hyundai looks more sporty than this lack of design and imagination that the new retro Camaro inspires.
Hey GM, I'll hold on to my "REAL" Camaro , a '97 Camaro.


This camaro IS a real Camaro..:mad:

The whole 5th gen Camaro has grown on me. At first, I thought it looked like a brick (compared to an early 4th gen, everything looks like a brick). Now I think it's an appealing design that stands on its own.

As far as retro is concerned, I think the 'retro' is more obvious in the purpose behind the design. Whereas the Camaro had evolved into a kind of 4-seater Vette, the 5th gen seems a return to the original design philosophy. In the styling department, I see a lot of 3rd gen meets 1st gen styling cues... but all the curves seem uniquely new. In contrast with the Mustang, the new Camaro doesn't seem intended to look retro, as opposed to incidentally looking retro because of a return to the car's original purpose.

I think that is the response everyone should quote if this comes up again..:bow: Nice job Chevamaro

and to boot again.

The 5th Gen IS A REAL CAMARO
and to quote him :
" Whereas the Camaro had evolved into a kind of 4-seater Vette, the 5th gen seems a return to the original design philosophy"

someone thinks right..

I guess my definition of 'retro' would be something that is not just influenced by the past models, but has most if not the same look as it's predecessor. Like the Challenger. The Charger I might agree to be slightly retro, and the Mustang, mostly.


The only reason to call the Charger retro is that you have to go back in time 40 or 50 years to find a car that ugly ;)

this thing is very, very RETRO along with also containing the worst of MODERN.

Who drew this crapper, anyway?

Did a drawing by some old fart with a comb-over make it to GM.
or
Was it one of the versions of a '60's conception drawing that had been discarded and long forgotten when the 70's models made their debute?

I think it looks like someone had a '67 firebird body and hood w/scoop, installed with a '67 camaro grill and lower facia; gutted out the headlights, installed some aftermarket round blue-halogens and slapped heeps of bondo on all the edges and the sharp edges then rounded or smoothed flat. Then topped off with some obnoxiously oversized ghetto rims.

one thing is for sure.. those that don't like the concept's styling feel just as strongly as those that do like it..

i guess bold styling is pretty decisive.. good thing the vast majority are on the side that likes the concept

The whole 5th gen Camaro has grown on me. At first, I thought it looked like a brick (compared to an early 4th gen, everything looks like a brick). Now I think it's an appealing design that stands on its own.

As far as retro is concerned, I think the 'retro' is more obvious in the purpose behind the design. Whereas the Camaro had evolved into a kind of 4-seater Vette, the 5th gen seems a return to the original design philosophy. In the styling department, I see a lot of 3rd gen meets 1st gen styling cues... but all the curves seem uniquely new. In contrast with the Mustang, the new Camaro doesn't seem intended to look retro, as opposed to incidentally looking retro because of a return to the car's original purpose.

hmmm thats a pretty good way of puting the design. but the car still looks retro there is no way around that. but i like it:D

this thing is very, very RETRO along with also containing the worst of MODERN.

Who drew this crapper, anyway?

Did a drawing by some old fart with a comb-over make it to GM.
or
Was it one of the versions of a '60's conception drawing that had been discarded and long forgotten when the 70's models made their debute?

I think it looks like someone had a '67 firebird body and hood w/scoop, installed with a '67 camaro grill and lower facia; gutted out the headlights, installed some aftermarket round blue-halogens and slapped heeps of bondo on all the edges and the sharp edges then rounded or smoothed flat. Then topped off with some obnoxiously oversized ghetto rims.

I like this guy.

Hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion, right?

Yes, but that doesen't make it worth discussing. How about we all quit bumping this, and let it sink to the bottom where it belongs.


Yes, Im aware of the irony of "dont post anymore" post.

and the tail lights keep growing on me more and more which I didnt expect...
I was actually saying they should use the round rear lights of the early 2nd gens.;) Not to mention all the Chevy's that wear em', including the Corvette.:D O.K. so they're not.....exactly round. I still like em', and they have the option to go more round on future models. I agree with Mike, SFireGT98......well said! :bow: Damn, I'm still mad about missing Carlisle, but thankfully I got to see it up close, at the last PowerTour stop at Englishtown N.J., and......I NEED this car! :cool: You have to see this car in person it is BADASS :metal: , I WILL have one, atleast one!:) Tremendous job on the car!:bow: Have I said that before? Love it!:cool: Pictures do not do this car justice. You must see it in person. I could care less about retro, non-retro, whatever you call it, I'm going to get it. It IS a REAL CAMARO, IMHO.;)

I thought the retro-Mustang was ugly and a bad idea, until I saw the new Retro-Look Camaro,.....it is truly horrid!!! a Hyundai looks more sporty than this lack of design and imagination that the new retro Camaro inspires.
Hey GM, I'll hold on to my "REAL" Camaro , a '97 Camaro.

What a fool:rolleyes:

I went a little overboard on the smiley's! Take it as a sign of my enthusiasm for the car. :shrug:

I went a little overboard on the smiley's! Take it as a sign of my enthusiasm for the car. :shrug:


If I remember correctly, you were a big adversary of the new Camaro when we first got a look at it. I'm glad to see your impressions have changed and you're now completely for it.

My point wasn't does it look good or not. I think GM did a good job on it. My point was, this car is retro. It seems to me people have been trying to find all manner of loopholes in the definition to try and classify this as none retro, but just about everywhere you go for a review, its retroness is noted, and rightly so.
You said it yourself. Influence. Park it next to a 69 Camaro and you can see the influence however it is not a complete recreation of the 69 as it has current styling influences that are seen in both the Corvette and modern Cadillacs. Do the same with the current Mustang and a 68 Fastback, or the new Challenger and the original and a majority of laypersons couldn't tell the difference.

That is the difference between retro-styling and heritage influence.

If I remember correctly, you were a big adversary of the new Camaro when we first got a look at it. I'm glad to see your impressions have changed and you're now completely for it.
:no: :no: I think you've got me confused with someone else. I've loved it from the get go!;) About the ony thing I wasn't big on was the guages protruding into the dash. They basically did, damn near everything I wanted them to, on it! :D

Yeah, Sorry to say it but the new camaro is ugly. The fourth genereation is alot more attractive. The 2nd and 1st generation is also alot more attractive. This car is lack luster basicly it is shiny and is copy of ford's mustang retro-idea. GM just is not a very bright company like scrapping there alternative fuel program boy that was a great idea. I think I will buy another 4th generation before I buy one of the 5th generaion. However, this is just my personal opinion if others think the car is beautiful great in the end it is the individual who decides if the car looks great or not.

Here's the most-asked question of the year:

Have your seen the car in person?


I think I'd buck at the knees if I saw it in person... :cool:!!!

I think I'd buck at the knees if I saw it in person... :cool:!!!
IMHO, the pictures don't do it justice. I was a little weak in the knees, looking at it up close. :o It just has this presense about it! Hunkered down, mean like its gonna goble up anything in site, very much as does the C6....... also IMO! :bow: I just can't wait for it.:D

I think the writer of this post was trying to get people fired up...in the deep down you are prolly like F*** YEAH! That things is awesome. But until you admit when you walk up to it in person....then keep your opinion, your opinion. The majority of Camaroz28.com gives it a huge!! :cz28:

Why the h*ll can't the retro crowd just say, "Hey, that's your opinion, thanks, " instead of getting bent all out of shape or asking if we've seen it in person? :rolleyes:

Why the h*ll can't the retro crowd just say, "Hey, that's your opinion, thanks, " instead of getting bent all out of shape or asking if we've seen it in person? :rolleyes:

First, why the h*ll can't the people who like the car have THEIR opinion without seeing people post insulting statements about it?

Second, MOST people are not part of a "retro crowd" and after MOST people see it in person, they agree the car is not retro. That's just stating facts.

Going back to the first, people who actually like the car don't care to hear someone else's negative opinion when it is constructed like "that car looks like ASS!!" or "I won't be caught dead driving that ugly POS". There is no class in that. It is plain insulting and not even necessary and getting "bent all out of shape" should be expected as a result.

If people don't like it, why do they feel the need to be rude about it? I don't see that very often from the people who like the car.

Just cause you can't afford one..Don't worry be happy..Just look at the charger what a ugly car a 4door piece of sheot ...Camaro new better then to do what dodge did with the charger..And now dodge is bringing back the challenger as a 2door that looks awesome ..Live and learn...

Opinions are like A-Holes, Everybodys got one, and they ALL STINK!! ;)

Honestly... I love Camaros, my favorite cars.

But the new one looks like ****, its big, it's ugly, frikking huge rims, no t tops, doesn't even look all that retro, just looks retarded.

I like what they did with the new Vette's, they are sleek, modern, etc., they like downgraded the Camaro..

I do kinda like the new mustangs though, nothing great but better than the camaro.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you're definitely in the minority as far as the new Camaro.:tired:

By all means, feel free to buy a new Mustang or C6 Vette (...if you can afford it).:)

But the new one looks like ****, its big, it's ugly, frikking huge rims, no t tops, doesn't even look all that retro, just looks retarded.

I like what they did with the new Vette's, they are sleek, modern, etc., they like downgraded the Camaro..

You do know that the Camaro concept is almost a foot shorter than your 2002 Camaro, right?

i personally haven't seen this new body style in person but i really liked the first style that they had come out with that was more of a 67/68 replica. u know they would have sold a alot of them

Say no to retro :no:

Wow...it's too bad this thread couldn't have stayed buried and dead...

Wow...it's too bad this thread couldn't have stayed buried and dead...Agreed!!! :bow:

And that's an amen to the above two posts!!
Clyde

well you know what they say, opinions are like A-holes, everyone has one and they all stink, except mine.

You do know that the Camaro concept is almost a foot shorter than your 2002 Camaro, right?I very seriously doubt that what hits the showroom floor will be any shorter than 5" taller than a 2002. Today's crop of "stylists" has absolutely no idea how to draw anything graceful or shorter than about 56" -57" tall (the S197 Mustang is better, if only barely, at 54.5"). There's simply too much truck influence and "in your face" belligerence about everything with those guys any more.


Norm

OK. GM specifically calls the new camaro a "retro" of the 69. That is it and all. Why the hell are people having a seizure over this????? I agree with a the previous replay on the definition of "retro." In fact, everything is retro. But it is modern also. The first year out will make or break the camaro; mods will come in the future. I seriously cannot believe that the camaro will be forever; however, it is cool that GM gives us a real chance to own another classic in the making--one with a modern kick-ass engine to match. This will be a fun car---can't wait to mod it.

Second, MOST people are not part of a "retro crowd" and after MOST people see it in person, they agree the car is not retro. That's just stating facts.

It is?:confused: Where can I find these facts. I have seen the car twice now, both the coupe and the convertible, and it still looks pretty retro to me. The car also looks a lot fatter in person.

It was back when I made that post, in 2006 when the silver concept was making the rounds at shows. That was a time when a lot of people saw first saw the concept pics and didn't think highly of it. I noticed that when someone saw it in person and posted that they liked it more after seeing it, most also mentioned it looked less retro in person than they originally thought. It was an interesting little trend going on at the time.