Seems to be the general agreement that will be the relationship of Camaro to Mustang this go round. I don't have a problem with that. I dont think most consumers will either, to a point.

Most will agree the Concept is visually more attractive. But lets stick to the empirical obvious things most consumers are concerned with. Weight and handling might be a bit better, but I dont know how many will ever find that out.

Sticking to power, interior, usability, and options, what most consumers (V6rs) are concerned with.... And comparing a 6 to a 6 and 8 to an 8, similiar or equivalent options...

How much more can Camaro charge with out shooting itself in the foot?

A 280ish V6 and 400hp V8 are fairly certain, and should still be superior after Mustangs update. The interior we don't know much about but we know GM wants to get it right, the car is wide, and upright, which could and should mean good ergonomics if not expansive space. Trunk... eh... Options are tricky but their are lots of little things that can be done to make a car more attractive in and out that Mustang has not done. Wheels are already bigger, Projectors/LEDs, HUD...If you could get these, or NOT get them on Camaro that would be nice.

 

my guess is that someone who wants the power of the v8 in the camaro will understand paying for the power especially since most will already be loyal camaro fans, most that will buy the v6 just to have a muscle car will care more about the price difference.

 

Within $500 of the Mustang (when compairing models - V6, V8, etc).

 

If someone is buying it for looks, it needs to be close in the price. if someone is buying it for performance, the difference can be more. The base V6, and the Base V8 need to be close to the mustang, but if there is a high power V6 and a high power V8 then those can be slightly more expensive compaired to thier mustang counterpart due to the ability of GM to provide (most likely) a better performing vehicle between the two.

 

I think most here are counting on GM to provide base vehicles that perform better than their counterparts... If we assume

~280 V6
~350 5.3 V8
~400 6.0 V8

Mustang will be having an update right before or as Camaro comes out, so those numbers -- at least if we are assuming the 5.3 will be direct GT competition -- won't be all that impressive.

Which isn't a critical problem, as long as price is proportional... Now if we are talking about a ~320 hp V6, 400hp V8 then a ~500 hp V8, then they might be able to justify a decent price jump.

With the inumerable SE mustangs in the works, Im curious to see if GM will launch models to compete, if not directly at least in exclusivity. That would also give them the oppurtunity to charge a larger premium.

Something else thats in the back of my mind is that if Camaro makes a half dozen SE models... at various price points... a lot of people -- myself included -- are going to seem a lot more sensible when they ask, "Why isn't one of these wearing an arrowhead?"

Is this not as interesting as I thought or are not concerned about this yet?

 

Naaaaaa, I think everyones just burnt out on the Camaro predicting. Now that the designs out and the approval is just a matter of time; it's kinda been dead around here.

 

Well there are a ton of variables... The Z 350 sells roughly 4 Grand more than the Mustang GT with a bit less HP. There are alot of assumptions on the quality of the car and what its competitors are. Is it a 1/4 mile car which would be selling the potential of the car short? If its only focus is Mustang then the difference shouldnt be that much. If 5.3 is an option it will take alot of convincing for me to even consider it given problems Ive seen posted with Impalla. Alot of guess work.

 

Everything in this section of the forum is guess work.

The 350Z is on a somewhat expensive chassis. And the interior is a bit better than Mustangs. I dont think that justifys the jump, but thats a slightly different class.

With 4th gens even though HP was all anybody talked about they handled very well, better than equivalent mustangs. This probably wont be any different, especially since the GT and the SE thus far have seemingly been engineered with the quarter in mind. I dont think a lot fo that will be neccesary for GM as they have a big hp/tq advantage.

 

Well I voted 1000-2000 assuming ALOT That is that the build quality, platform and everything else is that much better. Also that the car would be a BMW jr minus the gadgets and plus gobs of power. Of course Im hoping Scott will add the HUD standard as he suggested as part of that too. That would be great with the console gauges but I know not everyone agrees. Im also assuming that the IRS will be standard and that the Rear problems Caddy has will be resolved by production. I have to admit the $500 above Jason posted sounds really good and goes with what Lutz said in an interview right after the unveil. It may be more realistic...

Also toward the top end I think an SS supercharged LS2 reinforced what ever its called SS up against the Shelby would be fine, BUT I also feel there is room for a Z28 LS7 replacement motor car should also be an option as was even suggested by Bob Lutz. I think the LS7 Z28 Camaro should be the super camaro road car and it would be at least currently unmatched by Ford with nothing to compare it to.

Im assuming and hoping for alot here

 

They wont get away with much more than $500 . Any inrease in price over the Mustang had better be because it truely is a better car and not just because it has a more powerful engine . Remeber , by the time the Camaro rolls out , the Mustang will have improvements as well . And right now anyways , as far as being in tune with what ponycar buyers actually want ( by way of sales performance ) , Im giving Ford the advantage . In the same respect , I think the current GM knows exactly why the last Camaro failed to be sales leader , and I also believe they can pull off a class leading Camaro in all aspects , though Im not confident they will pull it off at a Mustang price . Cant wait to see the real deal

 

Well if we get two V8s which I think is likely. Being 350 and 400hp, I wouldn't be suprised if they take up a larger chunk of sales than usual. Not 50/50, but perhaps enough so that all three cars could be high quality with the cost of the V8 models carrying more of that weight than the V6.

Feasible?

 

The same.

The only perception that a Camaro would be better would be only here at CamaroZ28.com, LS1Tech, and so on...

I mean seriously, among 2 cars in the same genere, how can you expect an average mainstream buyer to differentiate an extra tenth of G in handling, subjective looks, or 25hp if one car is a grand or more cheaper than the other?

Dont forget why the 4th gen was the end.

I am with many others in thinking that the 4th gen was the better car all the way around in many ways but everytime I priced it on dealer lots it was Always higher.

I remember back in Christmas of 98 my Dad and I broke away from family gatherings to get away for a while. While we were out I test drove a 99 Z28 A4 with t-tops, leather, and about all options. Walk out price was 26,XXX. Then test drove a '99 GT with some sort of anniversary package they had going, and about all options that I can remember but it was a 5-speed. Walk out price..... 19,990. (sticker was somewhere around 24)

Why is that??

 

I think it looks better and I think lots agree with me. Thats not the real issue.

Even if the differences dont translate to Camaro being worlds better if they are both going 55, I would think sporty car buyers would look at numbers more than other buyers.

The new Mustang interior is pretty spartan, thats one way a small price increase could generate large returns. I am buy no means saying recreate the 4th gen which offered performance but nothing else at a higher price.

In fact, im not saying anything, im asking... Thats why its a poll.

 

That was the real reason for the lack in sales.

 

i went with 1K-2K more, but i guess that how much more i would pay. we all know what killed the camaro the first time. they need to gt it right this time. it needs to be very close to the mustang. i also think the average buyer is not going to be worried about more power or better handling, if you dont believe mo look at the camaro vs mustang over the last 20 years, it all comes down to acceptable good and sporty looks, and a reasomable price. the mustange were always cheaper that the camaros, thats why the won. were the the fastest car? no. were the best looking? dependos on who you ask, i say no. were they ok in both reguarde, sure they were and were they cheaper, YES. thats why they sold more and thats why they won. hopefully gm has figured that out. i dont know if they have. i still dont think IRS is a good idea for the new camaro, its going to cost too much and its not good for drag racing, and no matter what you say a lot of people will want to do that with it. if they want to keep it they should make it an option. actually though i really believe the company that will really shoot itself in the foot is chrysler, sucks because im a big mopar guy, i really dont see the challenger comming in at under 30 with the hemi and if their other SRTs are any example the SET version of the challenger will be around 40. i dont care how much more power or how many hemi badges you stick on it, it will be a tough sell, especially with a really good looking camaro with 350-400hp hopefully for around 26.