ls1 ss/ta vs c5 ???s

ok guys im wondering i know they pretty much have the same motor ..... what are the times like in the 1/4 for each. Also the money to parts ratio ... i was told that the vette parts are alot more money than the camaro. is that right? ... i guess what i am saying is what would be the better running car full bolt on ss/ta or full bolt on c5?
-mike

full bolt on c5.

I'm sure the ss with all the common bolt ons and c5 with all the common bolt ons would make similar power being that they have the same engines.

But then it comes to weight and areodynamics, the vette wins that category hands down.

full bolt on c5.

I'm sure the ss with all the common bolt ons and c5 with all the common bolt ons would make similar power being that they have the same engines.

But then it comes to weight and areodynamics, the vette wins that category hands down.


You're leaving out the C5 having more parasitic power loss from the IRS though. All things said and done they're pretty equal on the dyno and drag strip. C5's handle better though.

BTW a Z28 or Fomy with all bolt ons will run right with the SS and C5. If they have a stripped model, they'll probably beat them.

I have heard of stock LS1 c5s running 12.7s. I have heard of stock fbodies in the 12s, but not as low as 12.7. Launching off the IRS is going to be harder, but I would still give the nod to a well driven c5. There is more parasitic loss through the IRS, but the weight difference between the c5 and the fbodies more than makes up for this, and a highway run is going to require more power to be made on the fbodies part to keep up with the more aerodynamic Vette. Vette has a lower Cd, as well as less frontal area. The Vette pretty much as just about every advantage over the fbody, except for maybe a few rwhp stock.

It would be a driver's race... plain and simple.

I have heard of stock LS1 c5s running 12.7s. I have heard of stock fbodies in the 12s, but not as low as 12.7. Launching off the IRS is going to be harder, but I would still give the nod to a well driven c5. There is more parasitic loss through the IRS, but the weight difference between the c5 and the fbodies more than makes up for this, and a highway run is going to require more power to be made on the fbodies part to keep up with the more aerodynamic Vette. Vette has a lower Cd, as well as less frontal area. The Vette pretty much as just about every advantage over the fbody, except for maybe a few rwhp stock.

In 1998 a stock Z28, went 12.7 with a GREAT driver. That was the "slow" year too.

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Bolt-on for bolt-on, I would say a TA or SS has ZERO advantage over a Z28. Their advantage stock is slightly better induction and exhaust. After bolt-ons, they no longer have the advantage; however, the pretty ground affects and the bigger wheels make them heavier than a Z28.

Besides, at the track the WS6 cars, etc. don't run any better than the other LS1 cars.

Ben T.

Studytime is right on the money...

In 1998 a stock Z28, went 12.7 with a GREAT driver. That was the "slow" year too.

Bolt-on for bolt-on, I would say a TA or SS has ZERO advantage over a Z28. Their advantage stock is slightly better induction and exhaust. After bolt-ons, they no longer have the advantage; however, the pretty ground affects and the bigger wheels make them heavier than a Z28.

Besides, at the track the WS6 cars, etc. don't run any better than the other LS1 cars.

Ben T.

Uh....ok. I wasn't disagreeing with the SS cars having zero advantage over the z28 cars. Obviously you didn't read my post very well. My post was in regard to an LS1 fbody versus an LS1 c5. The c5 has the advantage.

Uh....ok. I wasn't disagreeing with the SS cars having zero advantage over the z28 cars. Obviously you didn't read my post very well. My post was in regard to an LS1 fbody versus an LS1 c5. The c5 has the advantage.

That wasn't all for you.:rolleyes: Only the first line was about you. To quote my fiance', "it's not all about you".

Ben T.

C5's tend to make a little less power than f-bodys because of the IRS and drivetrain loss. Other than that, they are about the same.

That wasn't all for you.:rolleyes: Only the first line was about you. To quote my fiance', "it's not all about you".

Ben T.


You probably shouldn't have quoted only me then. Sure makes it seem like it is all about me based on that.

C5's tend to make a little less power than f-bodys because of the IRS and drivetrain loss. Other than that, they are about the same.

Yep. My Vette is slow. Wanna buy it? :D

$1500 sound good? :)

I've seen a completely bone stock C5(down to the paper filter) run 12.6x. Stock tires, stock everything(M6). It ended up breaking the known record for the being the fastest completely stock C5 out there.

You don't see an fbody doing that. I also don't see Fbody's consistently running in the 12's bone stock. Sure there are a few factory freaks out there but consistenty? Nope.

It's not just a "driver's race". The vette is faster, period.

One thing. I heard that f-body's had more of a power loss through the drivetrain than C5's. The thing is, the vette IS a faster car and Will handle much better than an SS or WS6.

For example, My beloved brother has a 99 C5 hardtop (borla, hurst short throw, wires, halltech intake) and I've raced him a few times in my 00' SS M6(stock aside from Lid and slp dual/dual.) The verdict is that his car will pull on me. If I get the jump, it takes a little longer for him to catch up.

Although, yesterday we gave it some juice just after a toll and we pulled dead even. The only logical explanation I can conjure is that I was shifting a tad quicker. Either way, Fun cars you won't be dissapointed.

Rick M.

One thing. I heard that f-body's had more of a power loss through the drivetrain than C5's. .

You heard wrong.

oops. sorry.

may I ask how this occurs?

oops. sorry.

may I ask how this occurs?


I wish I had a more scientific answer than "it just does", but that is the extent of my explanation. The Vette IRS is known to soak up more hp than the fbody's 10 bolt. Quite often fbodies will out dyno Vettes, because of this. In general it seems that straight axles transfer more power to the the ground than their IRS counterparts.

I wish I had a more scientific answer than "it just does", but that is the extent of my explanation. The Vette IRS is known to soak up more hp than the fbody's 10 bolt. Quite often fbodies will out dyno Vettes, because of this. In general it seems that straight axles transfer more power to the the ground than their IRS counterparts.

My car would be in the 480s if I had a solid axle setup :(

well, good to know!

I've seen a completely bone stock C5(down to the paper filter) run 12.6x. Stock tires, stock everything(M6). It ended up breaking the known record for the being the fastest completely stock C5 out there.

You don't see an fbody doing that. I also don't see Fbody's consistently running in the 12's bone stock. Sure there are a few factory freaks out there but consistenty? Nope.

It's not just a "driver's race". The vette is faster, period.

Hmmm...guess the C5's I've raced and beat when I was stock must have been trying to boost my self esteem by letting me win. :D

I've seen a completely bone stock C5(down to the paper filter) run 12.6x. Stock tires, stock everything(M6). It ended up breaking the known record for the being the fastest completely stock C5 out there.

You don't see an fbody doing that. I also don't see Fbody's consistently running in the 12's bone stock. Sure there are a few factory freaks out there but consistenty? Nope.

It's not just a "driver's race". The vette is faster, period.

Average drivers will be a drivers race. Not everyone is superhuman and can run a stock C5 to a 12.6. Most C5s I see at the track tend to run low 13s, right in line with a good running f-body.

Average drivers will be a drivers race. Not everyone is superhuman and can run a stock C5 to a 12.6. Most C5s I see at the track tend to run low 13s, right in line with a good running f-body.

Average drivers of exact equal skill and the win goes to the Vette. This is especially true on the highway, where one might pull up next to an fbody and go from a roll, completely negating any benefit the fbody might get from their advantage of an easier launch from the solid axle. . I don't see what is so hard to understand about this.

Hmmm...guess the C5's I've raced and beat when I was stock must have been trying to boost my self esteem by letting me win. :D


In all fairness, there are alot of c5s out there, and there are alot of sucky c5 drivers out there. Alot of c5 drivers aren't guys that have cut their teeth beating the sh*t out of an fbody they might have had once; they are old guys that bought the car and feel that they are untouchable.

Perfect!

Use one of my previous posts on here as an example...

I had a 3.8 camaro M5 for about two years before getting my SS. Using that time to learn how to handle the car, and slam the gears. Stepping into my car now wasn't too hard to adapt to.

My brother on the other hand, has only had his C5 for a year or so. with his only prior cars being automatic.

We pulled dead even the last time we raced and I know his car is a good 1/4 to 1/2 second faster than mine in the quarter mile.

or maybe I'm wrong. ehh. who cares.

In all fairness, there are alot of c5s out there, and there are alot of sucky c5 drivers out there. Alot of c5 drivers aren't guys that have cut their teeth beating the sh*t out of an fbody they might have had once; they are old guys that bought the car and feel that they are untouchable.

In all fairness, there are a lot of f-bodies out there and a lot of sucky drivers too. There are many f-body owners that have never owned a V8 or even a car before. :cool: It can go either way.

In all fairness, there are a lot of f-bodies out there and a lot of sucky drivers too. There are many f-body owners that have never owned a V8 or even a car before. :cool: It can go either way.


Yeah, it most definety can, but you weren't talking about racing other fbodies. You were talking about racing c5s, so I brought up the point that there are alot of sh*tty c5 drivers out there.

Seeing how hard it is to find a used fbody in decent shape, I would bet that there is a higher percentage of fbody owners that drive their cars alot harder than c5 owners.

Average drivers of exact equal skill and the win goes to the Vette. This is especially true on the highway, where one might pull up next to an fbody and go from a roll, completely negating any benefit the fbody might get from their advantage of an easier launch from the solid axle. . I don't see what is so hard to understand about this.

The mighty Camaro can never lose. I love my Camaro but just look at the facts people. You as a driver might beat C5's all day but it is still the faster car.Sorry to say it but C5 FTW!!!!

From a roll... weight isn't a HUGE issue like it is from a launch. So advantages are pretty similar now. Advantage goes to Vette for Aerodynamics but who does roll racing 100-160 with Stock LS1s? Point goes to F Bodies

this thread is from april 4th... That said, this is engine tech not who would win tech, or if the original question was "What should I buy, c5 or T/A, its still not engine tech.

FWIW in these type arguments I think its fair to reference the popular mags (car and driver, motor trend) sure of us (not me) could get our cars to hook better and maybe get quicker 1/4 or 0-60 times, but on average if you were to compare all the mags take an average this would be a fair estimate of what each car is capable of. Going back to those tests the vette's were consistently faster, doesn't really matter why. This is what makes an f body fun though...being the underdog and coming out on top!

I've seen a completely bone stock C5(down to the paper filter) run 12.6x. Stock tires, stock everything(M6). It ended up breaking the known record for the being the fastest completely stock C5 out there.

You don't see an fbody doing that. I also don't see Fbody's consistently running in the 12's bone stock. Sure there are a few factory freaks out there but consistenty? Nope.

It's not just a "driver's race". The vette is faster, period.

Um, IMO no. It's a driver's race. You are talking about maybe 1 tenth between the best examples of each. Trap speed, I'll give the nod to the Y-body, but Vettes have the same or less HP and are trickier to launch. They also have better weight and aero, so it is a wash. I have both a Z28 and a Corvette, so it's not like I'm biased towards the F-body. Your results may vary...
FWIW, you are more likely to see 4th Gens getting hammered at the drags than C5s, and I've seen a dozen stockers nose into the 12s with good air between Atco and Great Lakes Dragaway (the Grove). Ben

I've seen some stockers knock on the 12's at those tracks as well.

If you take a 6-speed Fbody with the same driver and take a 6-speed Vette the Vette will win.

Like I said I've yet to see a stock Fbody come even close to 12.6's. I've seen 12.90's, 2 12.80's but nothing faster than that.

****I'm not bashing Fbodies here. Just giving my opinion and what I've seen.

Drivers race.