What do we know about the 5th gen so far?

My point behind this thread is to compile info on the 5th gen that some of the members have on good source will be optioned or standard on the new Camaro; to sort out the more substantiated rumors from the completely unfounded rumors. For example, wheels, trims levels, engine choices, performance RPO codes (along the lines of 1LE), etc. I have noted that there may be more than three trim levels, which is pretty much what made me want to start this thread.

For starters, it seems likely that the 5th gen will use a double-pivot BMWesque multilink strut setup for its front suspension, but is the rear suspension finalized? Obviously it is an IRS system, but are we currently looking more at a Sigma IRS setup or the Holden Monaro type setup?

-True dual exahust
-at 18 inch wheels
-little or no change to the exterior, except for the headlights and the B pillar/ ttop thing
-interrior might change to more a modern look, definitely move the console gauges towards the dash (safety reason)

-at 18 inch wheels


You sure about that?

you sure about the headlights?

i hope those don't change. Those are the sexiest headlights i've ever seen.

Again, you guys have already turned this into SPECULATION and not FACT. Not stuff we *KNOW*

Zeta

You sure about that?

Yeah seems kinda small ;)

I know plenty......But I have Black Suburbans circling my house these days....

I leave a lot of blatant hints around here though......

Won't be the Holden Monaro/GTO rear, as that is considered "dated". Sigma IRS is much more likely.

You sure about that?
If I said 19 in the front 20 in the back, would you object? :D

If I said 19 in the front 20 in the back, would you object? :D

Sure would fit the body style, wouldn't it?

My point behind this thread is to compile info on the 5th gen that some of the members have on good source will be optioned or standard on the new Camaro; to sort out the more substantiated rumors from the completely unfounded rumors. For example, wheels, trims levels, engine choices, performance RPO codes (along the lines of 1LE), etc. I have noted that there may be more than three trim levels, which is pretty much what made me want to start this thread.

For starters, it seems likely that the 5th gen will use a double-pivot BMWesque multilink strut setup for its front suspension, but is the rear suspension finalized? Obviously it is an IRS system, but are we currently looking more at a Sigma IRS setup or the Holden Monaro type setup?

Sigma-like yes. Holden VZ-like, no.

Wouldn't put much stock on an options list or performance codes at this point.



Without going into specifics, this new Camaro is shaping up to be quite a ride! :bow:

Where the 4th gen was nothing more than an engine in a box, this one is going to be one hell of a package. I'm still wondering how they are going to keep the price at Mustang levels.

My interior concerns have been calmed for now (seems the air of quality is going to be carried over, or at least a high priority), the handling is going to be phenominal across the lineup, the different wheel sizes are also looking like they'll carry over into production, and the "mid" engine is likely to end up with amazing power levels for it's type. LT1 owners beware... LS1 owners won't be so cocky. ;)

Mustang is due for some substantial component and equiptment changes by 2009. Unless Ford has some drastic things planned, Camaro is going to look like a purpose built race car by comparison

I'm really glad GM has moved beyond the "engine is everything" mentality that doomed the 4th gen, and is making a car that's shaping up to be competitive to all comers. :D

I'm kind of confused on this mid level V8 thing.

Are we talking about a possible lineup of:
V6 entry
mid level V8
high level V8

and then a possible "super" V8 with GT500 like hp numbers in a top model Camaro(Z/28)?

Do we have any idea when it's coming out?

Any chance of a late 07 early 08 model?

Do we have any idea when it's coming out?

Any chance of a late 07 early 08 model?

no chance

I'm kind of confused on this mid level V8 thing.

Are we talking about a possible lineup of:
V6 entry
mid level V8
high level V8

and then a possible "super" V8 with GT500 like hp numbers in a top model Camaro(Z/28)?

*Deleted* ;)

Who said anything about a mid level V8? ;)
Stop it. They can't handle it right now...

Stop it. They can't handle it right now...

Yeah I made that post a while back...then deleted it...I dunno how much of the cat I can let out of the bag....I'm following you Guy ;)

supercharged 6 ? Turbo 6 ?

Oh boy here try this.....

6
supercharged 6
ls2

My guess is on the option to get the LS7 minus the dry sump after the Z06 goes to LS8 that there have been rumors about.

It only makes sense to offer a motor that will not only compete with that pig of a Mustang that they are calling the Shelby, but be able to stomp it into the ground.

I have said it before and have been told I was way off base and that Chevy would never offer some variant of the 427 Ls7 for the Camaro but I will stick to my guns and say that it will be availible eventually.

Well we already know from here that possible equipment are

Heads up display
and Driverside power seat only unless there is demand for both seats powered...

Just trying to get some of the "facts" straight, so here it goes:

How is the whole 5th gen weight thing going? I understand that the target is/was 3500lbs; is it looking much heavier than that?

About this 300hp v6. Is this the new 300hp 3.6l v6 I remember hearing about a few months back? The one that was and probably still is going in the Caddies? I would imagine that the base v6 is likely to be a 250hp 3.9l pushrod v6.

I am imagining a lineup that looks something like this

base v6 - 250hp
H.O v6 - 300hp
Volume v8 - 400hp
Top v8 - 500hp

Is that a realistic hypothesis? From what I have gathered on here, it is.

I also understand that the production car will look very similiar to the concept, which is fine, but that it will be narrowed some, and the seating will be lowered in the car (which is also good, I like sitting low). Big wheels are a given. True dual exhausts are a given. Plenty of options are a given, although the exact options may still yet to be determined. I think it is safe to assume that the HUD will be an option though, as it has been talked about on here before, even by Red. I would really like to see the auxiliary gauges moved from the console though.

Some iteration fo the t56 is obvious, but what of the 6L80e? Is that a go for the Camaro? I would bet that it is, but I don't ever recall hearing anything very definitive about it on here.

As far as the z28 designation goes; is this likely to still be a trim level, or is it going to be a performance option now, much in the spirit of the 1LE option? This has been difficult for me to ascertain on here, but perhaps it still has yet to be decided fully upon within GM?

By the time the 5th gen hits the streets, it seems the LS2 may be decommissioned by GM, and the L92 6.2 (probably LS3 in the Camaro) will be the 400hp workhorse. This might not be the exact case, but I am sure no one is going to be suprised if it happens though. That leaves the big money question. Something that has been brought up here countless times in the past, and a coherent answer never settled upon. What engine goes in the big dog? Could it be feasible to see an LS7 under the hood of a factory 5th gen? Or is something like a blown 6.2 still the more likely answer? Or, something else entirely?

Will it have projector headlamps?

Will it have projector headlamps?

Probably LED

Probably LED
Cool. Lighter, brighter and longer lasting. Win, win, win.

Not to discredit anybody but I can't see 2 different V-6 levels offered. I also can't see 20 inch (or 19 for that matter) on anything but the top level car. If someone wants to buy a Camaro and is on a budget I don't think that they will want an affordable V-6 with an unaffordable wheel and tire package.

The way I see it and by judging from GM's recent dealings in the market I have come to the conclusion that we will more than likely see the following.

Standard halogen headlight but they will be projectors.
This leaves the option of having a Xenon. LED lacks the ability to produce enough intensity of output at a great distance.

17" wheels for the Standard and possibly Z-28 wheels, with some sort of steel wheel option for base model and municipal use.

18" wheels for the upper models and as an option to the Z-28.

Upper level cars can be called all sorts of things but most likely we will see an:

SS, 1LE Package, B4C for police use, and maybe just maybe a COPO.

I forsee there being a market for the ultra performance stripped down COPO cars but I am not betting on that due to the fact that GM is trying to get away from "the Engine is the only thing that matters" mentality.

As far as motors the way I see it, we will have about three options.

Base: V6
Z-28, 1LE : 6.0-6.2 LS2 or LS3 Respectively
SS, or other Upper model: LS7 wet sumped.

That seems the most logical and makes use of what GM has in the works already.

Interior quality will be good, and hopefully much like the trim level found in the cabin of the new GTO.

I also suspect that GM will make the upper car models handle much better...infact well enough to make any Mustang model look like Strawberry Shortcake with her pants pulled down at the track. Also I forsee brake upgrades as part of a package to take the binders from a 2 piston to a 4 piston caliper and possibly rotors much like what are on the Corvettes with the Z51 option.

Car will more than likely come in at around 3650 with half a tank of fuel, and around 3800 with a driver of average weight. Honestly this is total speculation here since we don't have a whole lot of details. I for one would love to see a car at full wet weight being around 3500 lbs, but that might be a stretch.

Things I would like to see and some other good ideas by others....

HUD-Great idea.
Corvette style door handles or actuating mechanism
Internal Antenae possibly intigrated into the rear windshield.
Would love to see another Yenko, Nickey, Gibb, Motion, Berger,....etc style COPO.
Seats that really hold you in complete with bolsters and dare I say even some suede.

A tranny that doesn't break shiftforks, a rear end that doesn't split like a melon, and motor that doesn't require you to go caving to find the two rear most spark plugs.

17" wheels for the Standard and possibly Z-28 wheels, with some sort of steel wheel option for base model and municipal use.

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I'm not even sure you'll see those dimensions on the base car.

Not to discredit anybody but I can't see 2 different V-6 levels offered. I also can't see 20 inch (or 19 for that matter) on anything but the top level car. If someone wants to buy a Camaro and is on a budget I don't think that they will want an affordable V-6 with an unaffordable wheel and tire package.


Believe it buddy :D


BTW I saw a G35 Sport Coupe go WOT next to campus this morning and I have to say a V6 can sound good....not V8 good but not bad....

Uh.. people buy ordinary cars and throw "bangin'" wheels on them all the time. If they can buy them bangin' from the factory, why wouldn't they?

You can never get a cross plane V8 sound out of a V6... but you can get a 'different' good sound if the exhaust tuning is done right.

18's on the base sounds interesting, and yet seems kinda of wrong at the same time. How much are those tires going to cost?

A high output V6 would be interesting, and would fit in with some of the other hypothetical threads that have been floating around. I would have to see the price point and the performance compared to the V8's before I pass judgement.

I still don't think you'll ever see an LS7 (even with wet sump) in a Camaro because I don't think that motor will be around when the Camaro starts production.

The way I see it and by judging from GM's recent dealings in the market I have come to the conclusion that we will more than likely see the following.


Bad Idea to use GMs past to judge their future right now....:D


Standard halogen headlight but they will be projectors.
This leaves the option of having a Xenon. LED lacks the ability to produce enough intensity of output at a great distance.


I have no idea to be honest...


17" wheels for the Standard and possibly Z-28 wheels, with some sort of steel wheel option for base model and municipal use.

18" wheels for the upper models and as an option to the Z-28.

17s are possible for the base but like Charlie said.....maybe not....

I'm pretty sure you will see 20's come stock....


Upper level cars can be called all sorts of things but most likely we will see an:

SS, 1LE Package, B4C for police use, and maybe just maybe a COPO.

I forsee there being a market for the ultra performance stripped down COPO cars but I am not betting on that due to the fact that GM is trying to get away from "the Engine is the only thing that matters" mentality.

As far as motors the way I see it, we will have about three options.

Base: V6
Z-28, 1LE : 6.0-6.2 LS2 or LS3 Respectively
SS, or other Upper model: LS7 wet sumped.

Your completely off here....sorry;)

Just remember GM won’t be using 3rd gen mentality or any of its current powerplants....

Someone above is almost on the dime;)


That seems the most logical and makes use of what GM has in the works already.

Interior quality will be good, and hopefully much like the trim level found in the cabin of the new GTO.


I expect to see a interior unmatched form any Camaro before.....GTO level or better....


I also suspect that GM will make the upper car models handle much better...infact well enough to make any Mustang model look like Strawberry Shortcake with her pants pulled down at the track. Also I forsee brake upgrades as part of a package to take the binders from a 2 piston to a 4 piston caliper and possibly rotors much like what are on the Corvettes with the Z51 option.


Agreed....


Car will more than likely come in at around 3650 with half a tank of fuel, and around 3800 with a driver of average weight. Honestly this is total speculation here since we don't have a whole lot of details. I for one would love to see a car at full wet weight being around 3500 lbs, but that might be a stretch.


I agree for the most part....maybe even slightly lower than that....

The 4th gen weighed about 3400lbs right?


Things I would like to see and some other good ideas by others....

HUD-Great idea.
Corvette style door handles or actuating mechanism
Internal Antenae possibly intigrated into the rear windshield.
Would love to see another Yenko, Nickey, Gibb, Motion, Berger,....etc style COPO.
Seats that really hold you in complete with bolsters and dare I say even some suede.

HUD is on, can say anything about the antenae or door handles...

I'm sure we will see some aftermarket "COPO's" , maybe even some that will shock you....


A tranny that doesn't break shiftforks, a rear end that doesn't split like a melon, and motor that doesn't require you to go caving to find the two rear most spark plugs.

Well since these items are prob just being tested, who knows how they will handle in the real world two years from now...

The exhaust note from my N10, dual cat IROC-Z and the note from my SVT V6 are both equally pleasing to me. It's like listening to different music.

You can never get a cross plane V8 sound out of a V6... but you can get a 'different' good sound if the exhaust tuning is done right.

Yeah that what I meant, it’s not the great throaty sound of a V8, but its not the horrible raspy sound our 3.8Ls sound like with freer flowing exhaust...

Like I said I honestly thought the G35 sounded good.....

But @ 298 hp the G35 may have a hard time keeping up....


18's on the base sounds interesting, and yet seems kinda of wrong at the same time. How much are those tires going to cost?

Yeah I agree.....They will look great until its time to roll down to discount tire a year after buying the car and you have to shell out $500 plus for tires....hopefully with an increase in larger tires sales (since many new cars are coming out with 18+ size wheels) will lower the price over the next few years.


A high output V6 would be interesting, and would fit in with some of the other hypothetical threads that have been floating around. I would have to see the price point and the performance compared to the V8's before I pass judgement.

Well what if it ran roughly a high 13? Somewhere between an LT1 and LS1?

I love the idea..... I think it’s a much more modern (today) type option...

Yeah the mid level V8 sounded good in the 80's but I think a hi-po V6 is much more today’s standards....

Why buy a G35 for over 30 grand when you can basically the same car for 10 grand less?


I still don't think you'll ever see an LS7 (even with wet sump) in a Camaro because I don't think that motor will be around when the Camaro starts production.

I agree the Z28 will have a much meaner motor....

Uh.. people buy ordinary cars and throw "bangin'" wheels on them all the time. If they can buy them bangin' from the factory, why wouldn't they?

I agree that alot of people buy "bangin" wheels for their base cars but thats not what the "base" car is about. A base car is supposed to be an affordable in all aspects. That includes maintainence. 19's, 20's, or a combination of the two gets pretty expensive when it comes to replacing tires. Alot of people also put ground effects kits, superchargers, intake, exhaust, etc. on their base cars too. But if you start adding these to the car just how "base" would it be?;)

Stars,
I also agree with the sound of some v-6's. However I don't see room for a H.O. V-6 and a mid-level V-8. I think one or the other will be more likely. Just out of curiosity what V-6 engines are rumored to be available say around 2009? :D You are alot more "in the know" than I am.

Stars,
I also agree with the sound of some v-6's. However I don't see room for a H.O. V-6 and a mid-level V-8. I think one or the other will be more likely. Just out of curiosity what V-6 engines are rumored to be available say around 2009? :D You are alot more "in the know" than I am.

Depends what you call a midlevel V8..... like I said someone who posted above is real close....

I dont know what the engines names are.....Ive just heard whispers of them....;)

gotcha, thanks.

If the mid-level car gets a hi-po V6 I will be very disappointed, as Camaro should mean V8 to people that really know the car. Likewise, GM should make it possible so that the most V8's will be on the street as possible. If the V8 model is out of reach for most buyers, that will be uber-sad.

I'm preparing to be disappointed...

If the mid-level car gets a hi-po V6 I will be very disappointed, as Camaro should mean V8 to people that really know the car. Likewise, GM should make it possible so that the most V8's will be on the street as possible. If the V8 model is out of reach for most buyers, that will be uber-sad.

I'm preparing to be disappointed...
Mustang sells more V6's than V8's don't they?

shouldn't we be going for volume this time around? Bigger volume = more potential sales.

Some people want the looks, etc. and don't really need the performance.

Cool. Lighter, brighter and longer lasting. Win, win, win.

LED was a pure guess mind you, but Ive heard they are really bright. If you look at the concept in close ups the head lights arent solid. At least to me they look broken up into several dots which makes me guess LED. Im assuming they are cheaper than projection HID as well.

If the mid-level car gets a hi-po V6 I will be very disappointed, as Camaro should mean V8 to people that really know the car. Likewise, GM should make it possible so that the most V8's will be on the street as possible. If the V8 model is out of reach for most buyers, that will be uber-sad.

I'm preparing to be disappointed...

Yeah but its kinda hard to have a middle when there is not an odd number....

Well unless you group the middle two....;)

And who said the V8 will be out of reach? Ford sells plenty of GT's for around 30 grand.....("around" above and below 30)

Yeah but its kinda hard to have a middle when there is not an odd number....

Well unless you group the middle two....;)

And who said the V8 will be out of reach? Ford sells plenty of GT's for around 30 grand.....("around" above and below 30)

25k Mustang GT? Part of the GTO disadvantage aside from Mustang going retro, was being 5 K more than the GT and 3k more than the Premium at 27k Old numbers now but still applies...

Probably LED

LED Headlamps? I've never heard of any car having LEDs as headlamps. The ones on the concept do look like projectors.

I think the hot V6 would be more like an optional base motor than the standard in the "mid level" vehicle.

25k Mustang GT? Part of the GTO disadvantage aside from Mustang going retro, was being 5 K more than the GT and 3k more than the Premium at 27k Old numbers now but still applies...

Thats apples to oranges.....

Show me how many GTs go for less than 27 now (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?advanced=y&bkms=1143233270178&certified=&isp=y&search=y&lang=en&search_type=both&make=FORD&model=MUST&make2=sel_one&start_year=2006&end_year=2006&min_price=25000&max_price=35000&max_mileage=&distance=300&address=76126&engine=8+Cylinder&fuel=&drive=&transmission=&doors=&color=&sponsorModel=&x=136&y=18)

I expext our V8 model will be slightly more than Fords....but will out perform the heck out of it....

LED Headlamps? I've never heard of any car having LEDs as headlamps. The ones on the concept do look like projectors.
Caddy STS SAE 100 concept.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/photos.cfm/photoID/3050411.001/cadillac/cadillac-sts-sae-100
http://www.americancarfans.com/photos/3050411.001/1037.jpg

Also check out that powerplant. ;)
http://www.americancarfans.com/photos/3050411.001/1014.jpg

LED's are not going to happen in 2008. Maybe swiveling HID's but not LED's. They will debut on Caddy's/halo Buicks before you see them on a Camaro. Even then, we are talking 2010-2012.

And who said the V8 will be out of reach? Ford sells plenty of GT's for around 30 grand.....("around" above and below 30)

If you can't get a V8 Camaro for around $25K then we're wasting our time with this whole car IMO. Sure A lot of GT's sell for $30K optioned out, but they don't START at 30.

And I said MID-LEVEL V8, as some where between the V6s and the Hi-po V8s, not "MIDDLE V8", there is a difference.

Stars....I am a little excited at what you said about my previous post concerning the Gen3 power plant.

I also have a question wouldn't the LS2-LS7 be considered a Gen-4 or am I totally wrong.

Also was very excited at your response twords the COPO question.

Basicly what I am wanting to know is if there is any chance of getting a 427 in a Camaro?

If you can't get a V8 Camaro for around $25K then we're wasting our time with this whole car IMO. Sure A lot of GT's sell for $30K optioned out, but they don't START at 30.

And I said MID-LEVEL V8, as some where between the V6s and the Hi-po V8s, not "MIDDLE V8", there is a difference.

Well your middle V8 is happening...but I know the Camaro will be priced right with the Mustang....and yes you can get an absolutely zero optioned base GT for $25,835 before destination charge....I'm just trying to be realistic...the average V8 pony car is going to go for right about 30k.... this isn’t 1997 buddy sorry...

Lets do some math:

Base GT 26k right now

Camaro V8 26,500k
+leather+stereo+auto+whatever else = your at 29 to 30k pretty fast....

Stars....I am a little excited at what you said about my previous post concerning the Gen3 power plant.

I also have a question wouldn't the LS2-LS7 be considered a Gen-4 or am I totally wrong.

Yeah GM refers to them as the 4th gen small block...


Also was very excited at your response twords the COPO question.


Take that with a grain of salt....I heard something but it wasn’t 100% certain... but IMO there will most defiantly be a tuner Camaro available...


Basicly what I am wanting to know is if there is any chance of getting a 427 in a Camaro?

hmmmmm...... the top motor will make you happy.....promise ;)

...the news just keeps getting better and better... :D

Well your middle V8 is happening...but I know the Camaro will be priced right with the Mustang....and yes you can get an absolutely zero optioned base GT for $25,835 before destination charge....I'm just trying to be realistic...the average V8 pony car is going to go for right about 30k.... this isn’t 1997 buddy sorry...

Lets do some math:

Base GT 26k right now

Camaro V8 26,500k
+leather+stereo+auto+whatever else = your at 29 to 30k pretty fast....

That's all I'm asking....buddy.....

Thats apples to oranges.....

Show me how many GTs go for less than 27 now (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?advanced=y&bkms=1143233270178&certified=&isp=y&search=y&lang=en&search_type=both&make=FORD&model=MUST&make2=sel_one&start_year=2006&end_year=2006&min_price=25000&max_price=35000&max_mileage=&distance=300&address=76126&engine=8+Cylinder&fuel=&drive=&transmission=&doors=&color=&sponsorModel=&x=136&y=18)

I expext our V8 model will be slightly more than Fords....but will out perform the heck out of it....

If its apples to oranges, then why is GTO GMs current entry to the Muscle car market. Why did Pontiac have banners made that said

"Hey Mustang, wanna race?"

Why does Pontiac put money into car adds that state, faster than competitors including Mustang?

the base price for a V8 Deluxe is $25,860 You dont think Ford dealers arent going to knock off that Dealer mark up crap the minute Camaro and Challenger hit the streets? Ford fans cant wait for competition so Ford will drop their prices and improve their car.

GTO is not a pony car but it was GMs only entry to taunt the Mustang...

If its apples to oranges, then why is GTO GMs current entry to the Muscle car market. Why did Pontiac have banners made that said

"Hey Mustang, wanna race?"

Why does Pontiac put money into car adds that state, faster than competitors including Mustang?

the base price for a V8 Deluxe is $25,860 You dont think Ford dealers arent going to knock off that Dealer mark up crap the minute Camaro and Challenger hit the streets? Ford fans cant wait for competition so Ford will drop their prices and improve their car.

GTO is not a pony car but it was GMs only entry to taunt the Mustang...


So whats your point?

So whats your point?


Well you said GTs sell for around 30 then you said they dont sell for less than 27??? Point is MSRP GT Deluxe starts mid 25 where I would think Camaro would be. Dealer markup and convertables dont count.

Well you said GTs sell for around 30 then you said they dont sell for less than 27??? Point is MSRP GT Deluxe starts mid 25 where I would think Camaro would be. Dealer markup and convertables dont count.

I'm talking average price....and you must except the Camaro will cost slightly more than mustang....

Still what’s your point? A V8 Sport coupe will be sold for about 30k

I'm talking average price....and you must except the Camaro will cost slightly more than mustang....

Still what’s your point? A V8 Sport coupe will be sold for about 30k

Can a V8 Camaro be had or $25k the way it can in Mustang or not?

It does make sense to expect a 30k-ish v8 car. Some of us are still expecting the pricing to be that of a new lt1 Camaro, and that is just plain unrealistic.

Can a V8 Camaro be had or $25k the way it can in Mustang or not?
Nobody knows the price yet...nobody! Not even Lutz himself. so to demand an answer kind of shows all of our ignorance as to the way a business works. You have to wait for GM to sit down and hand out contracts. And as time goes on, materials and labor cost more (obviously). So if you hear an outright number, its not being based on any evidence worth anything. No one knows yet. And once GM does do all this work, and they set a price goal of selling a car for xx amount, we still have to wait for the info to get to us. And even then, its gonna be a range. probably give or take two or three thousand.
Heck, thats even if any of us will be able to find one for sale. With the reactions around the country these things are gonna sell quick(hopefully without large dealer markups).
Also, why do you want a v8, is it the power, or because you want to say you have a v8?

Can a V8 Camaro be had or $25k the way it can in Mustang or not?


Who's to say that you'll be able to get a V8 Mustang for that by the time Camaro comes out.

Who's to say that you'll be able to get a V8 Mustang for that by the time Camaro comes out.

thats entirely true. I was assuming the prices were given as if the car were out today. My point was if Mustang V8 GT Deluxe started at 25k and Camaro V8 at 30 thats a tough pill to swallow. I do expect it to be a little more than Mustang for better quality though. IRS 400HP and that styling is something that would be worth it.

The more I think about it the more my mind changes... :lol:

If it were available today I'd want the biggest V8 possible (supercharged if need be) and a racing tuned suspension and brakes ala Z06 (like the Z06 is to the Z51). That part hasn't changed. What has changed is now I want all that in a convertible with a 6-speed auto with paddle shifters. :D

And I no longer care what you call it, as long as you call it Camaro. ;)

Not that my P.O. matters much, but I'd want this car to recieve the engine that will give it the best power to weight ratio possible to acheive the best acceleration off the line, since the car will probably only see top speed once or twice under it's lifetime under my ownership(closed course of course, or maybe out in the desert during the summer on a weekend). The second thing that matters to be most is that this car be able to tackle corners w/ aplumb, very little or NO body roll, should just dig in and go w/ the corner. Lastly, but by no means last in terms of importance, feelsome steering that lets me know exactly what's going on w/ the wheels upfront. I've driven several Bimmers and nothing inspires more confidence than an alert steering setup.

Not that my P.O. matters much, but I'd want this car to recieve the engine that will give it the best power to weight ratio possible to acheive the best acceleration off the line, since the car will probably only see top speed once or twice under it's lifetime under my ownership(closed course of course, or maybe out in the desert during the summer on a weekend). The second thing that matters to be most is that this car be able to tackle corners w/ aplumb, very little or NO body roll, should just dig in and go w/ the corner. Lastly, but by no means last in terms of importance, feelsome steering that lets me know exactly what's going on w/ the wheels upfront. I've driven several Bimmers and nothing inspires more confidence than an alert steering setup.

Straight line acceleration has never been what Camaros are about. It was called "the Hugger" because it could corner and handle. The new Camaro must be true to its heritage, otherwise its not a Camaro.

Well, I don't know anything about the 5th gen but just reading this thread gets me excited. One thing it would love to see on the V8 cars is Displacement On Demand. Maybe a toggle switch like our traction control so we can get great mileage driving around town and still light 'em up when ricers are begging for a beating.

Does anybody know if DOD will be considered? It just seems like a technology that offers the best of both worlds.

Well, I don't know anything about the 5th gen but just reading this thread gets me excited. One thing it would love to see on the V8 cars is Displacement On Demand. Maybe a toggle switch like our traction control so we can get great mileage driving around town and still light 'em up when ricers are begging for a beating.

Does anybody know if DOD will be considered? It just seems like a technology that offers the best of both worlds.

I thought DOD was already a given. The concept has it.

Though minus a 'toggle switch'.

I thought DOD was already a given. The concept has it.

Though minus a 'toggle switch'.

DOD is a given.... but remember the concept is just that, a concept, just because the concept has something does not man the production model will have it too….

The ZL1 will have nitrous from the factory.

You heard it here first.


;)

Caddy STS SAE 100 concept.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/photos.cfm/photoID/3050411.001/cadillac/cadillac-sts-sae-100
http://www.americancarfans.com/photos/3050411.001/1037.jpg

Also check out that powerplant. ;)
http://www.americancarfans.com/photos/3050411.001/1014.jpg
One of the coolest cars I have ever seen in terms of bells and whisles.

I have to say that I am discouraged by the talk of pricing among people of this board as well as some of our insider friends. I understand inflation and all of the factors that go into making cars more expensive, but I still think the Camaro needs to be priced BELOW the mustang to generate the type of sales GM is looking for. I will be in a position where I can afford a V8 Camaro but it would have been impossible a few years ago and I wouldn't have settled for a V6.

Anyways I want lots of power and luxury and performance and technology and I don't want to pay for it. I'll stop complaining now.

DOD is a given.... but remember the concept is just that, a concept, just because the concept has something does not man the production model will have it too….

Oh, no, I wasn't assuming a production version was going to have it just 'cause the concept did. I just thought it had already been mentioned the production version WOULD have it, and then stated that the concept did. Sorry for the confusion...

Wow, if the production V8 will have DOD and of course flexfuel compatibility, I might do something I never thought I'd do: Trade in my beloved Z/28 :eek: If and when I make the deal, it will probably be in it's second or third year of production to avoid recall issues. Gawd I can't wait to see this thing on the roads! :bow:

Great thread!

so you're going to wait till '13 for your camaro?

I'd rather have a low-tech "cam in block" 325hp V8 than a fancy DOHC V6 that needs premium fuel. You would think the V8 would be cheaper to produce also. I like all of the options though...