Camaro vs Colorado [Archive] - CamaroZ28.Com Message Board

Z28Wilson

03-23-2006, 12:49 PM

I wonder what the motivation is for this poll. :think:

I chose the V6 Camaro, because A) I'm a Camaro nut and B) if it's as quick as the V8 Colorado, handles better (presumably) and is cheaper then why not?

FWIW, I am not condoning a mid-level engine being a V6 however. I love JasonE's 5.3 V8 model.

As far as questioning one's sexuality buying a V6 Camaro instead of a V8, well, I used to have that opinion too. Until I came to realize that cool V6's is where the heart of the "pony car" lineup is. That's where at least 50% of your sales come from. A good V6 car is a must, and it must be looked at as being "cool" or else the bottom falls out of everything above it.

stars1010

03-23-2006, 12:52 PM

While we're on the topic of a 300+ hp V6. Wouldn't it be interesting if it were available with either - or even both - a luxury package an/or a sport package.

I think a lot of people would buy that...

Z284ever

03-23-2006, 12:55 PM

FWIW, I am not condoning a mid-level engine being a V6 however. .

I think that we should stop using the term midlevel. Midlevel denotes only 3 choices.

DrewSG

03-23-2006, 01:03 PM

V8 Colorado. You wouldn't catch me dead in a V6 pony car

stars1010

03-23-2006, 01:08 PM

I think that we should stop using the term midlevel. Midlevel denotes only 3 choices.

Well for the first year anyway;)

91_z28_4me

03-23-2006, 01:14 PM

there is no excuse for any straight American man to buy a naturally aspirated V6 Camaro when there is a V8 Camaro available.
Some of us don't have to make up for 'short comings' in other areas.

Z28Wilson

03-23-2006, 01:16 PM

I think that we should stop using the term midlevel. Midlevel denotes only 3 choices.

Understood, but 4 engine choices with 2 V6's causes a similar quandry. The point of a mid-level V8 is the ability to walk into the dealer, buy a V6 car right down to the suspension and wheels but substitute a nice "base" V8 in the V6's place for a nominal charge. If you go 4 engines with a base and "H.O." V6, what is the cost to get the lowest V8 available? That V8 would jump to 400+ HP, and once again, you might be paying a $5,000 or $6,000 premium for the V8 just like those old ladies in Jason's example.

The point of a "base V8" is to give people that refuse to drive a V6 pony car the ability to get their V8 and get it economically. How will that work with 4 engines when you know 2 are V6's and 1 is the monster? There's too much of a spread there.

TQdrivenws6

03-23-2006, 01:25 PM

While we're on the topic of a 300+ hp V6. Wouldn't it be interesting if it were available with either - or even both - a luxury package an/or a sport package.

RS/SS 300hp v6 would sure put a sour taste in the mouth of the SS diehards.....frankly that would be cool, and hilarious at the same time.

AdioSS

03-23-2006, 01:41 PM

Some of us don't have to make up for 'short comings' in other areas.
So, you like being slow? You don't enjoy driving fast? Why are you even here?

HAZ-Matt

03-23-2006, 01:49 PM

Camaro. No brainer. It would practically be a 350Z or G35 Coupe, except cooler ;)

TQdrivenws6

03-23-2006, 01:59 PM

So, you like being slow? You don't enjoy driving fast? Why are you even here?

I would go with a sporty v6 if the price was right. I have the Trans Am if I want to go fast, I would be looking for a car that I could drive every day and still do decent on gas.

If you claim small v8 with DoD, just look at the real world numbers that the 5.3 impala SS is getting. I know they supposedly do well on the interstate but it would be mostly for city driving.

LandonElf

03-23-2006, 02:10 PM

As a driver of an 06 I4 colorado and a 00 V6 camaro, i would honestly have a tough time choosing. The colorado's may be a little underpowered, but they are seriously good work horses on a budget. We got a base model colorado for a work truck brand new at like 14K. But my next vehicle purchase will likely be on a higher budget than mid teens so i will say the camaro.

Okay with that said, guys, lets not turn this into a v6 bashing forum. I know alot of people say higher insurance premiums in a v8 coupe are a myth, but the reason i drive a 00 V6 camaro is because of insurance.

V8 camaro's, in south Georgia, for males younger than 25, are SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive to insure and that is why i was forced to purchase the 3.8L. People can tell me otherwise as much as they want, but i had three different insurance company quotes sitting in front of me.

Okay, now with my flaming out of the way, let me get all whiny. The 3.8L camaro is not a bad engine at all. When i was in high school, i added a few cheap bolt-ons and had all my friends cars seriously outclassed in performance and just good ol reliability.

Remember, alot of parents are looking for safe, reliable, cool looking cars to put there teenagers in, and if they can get something like the 5th gen brand new in the 18-19K area, then alot of high school and college parking lots are gonna have camaro's sitting in them

The camaro community as a whole is really criticized for excluding V6 camaros as "true camaros" and this probably contibuted to the death of the 4th gens.

Once again, just my opinion.....

91_z28_4me

03-23-2006, 02:13 PM

So, you like being slow? You don't enjoy driving fast? Why are you even here?
No I enjoy spirited driving as much as the next guy. But I likely won't take my current or next car to the track. I just don't feel the need to. There are those of us who like the car for its character rather than its land rocket status. I am here because I care about Camaro, likely more than you. I see that there are more people like me in this world and they will be why the car succeeds and stays around. Please the drag race guys, who a lot of the time buy a used car and mod the hell out of it, and ignore the daily driver peope and you will see the car die again (this time for good). GM understands this and is planning a car that will appeal to the masses. BTW if all you care about is brute force why drive a new car with IRS and saftey systems? Just go buy a late 70s monza and stick a SBC in it. Or how about a monster Miata.

Z28x

03-23-2006, 02:25 PM

I voted for the Colorado......but then I said hmmm.. The V8 will be at least 300HP so If it is a 300HP Camaro then I'll change my answer to that.

Now if it was LS2 Colorado vs. 245HP 3.9L Camaro then I'd go with the Colorado....but a 300HP 3.6L DOHC Camaro would be cool.

IZ28

03-23-2006, 02:31 PM

Camaro. BTW, they need to stop putting parking lights above headlights.

RussStang

03-23-2006, 02:48 PM

While we're on the topic of a 300+ hp V6. Wouldn't it be interesting if it were available with either - or even both - a luxury package an/or a sport package.

I think it would be pretty interesting. Hmm. You are starting to make me do alot wondering. More than 3 engine choices? A H.O v6? That in itself is pretty interesting to me.

Presumably, what GM v6 are we talking about here? The 3.9 seems like a far cry as far as 300hp is concerned, even with all of the new techno doo-dads the engine is likley to recieve in the next few years.

stars1010

03-23-2006, 04:36 PM

Presumably, what GM v6 are we talking about here?

Just remember GM will have a bunch of new engines in the next few years....

91_z28_4me

03-23-2006, 04:47 PM

Just remember GM will have a bunch of new engines in the next few years....
Lets hope for a new gen of OHV V6s using what GM learned from their V8s, DOD, VVT, DI, and 3 valve per cylinder heads on a larger 60° V6!!!

guionM

03-23-2006, 05:27 PM

there is no excuse for any straight American man to buy a naturally aspirated V6 Camaro when there is a V8 Camaro available...

Straight American male here.

I'd love to have V8 Camaro. I'd also love to have a BMW M3 or a Ford GT as well. Nothing to do with being a hetero male or American, just what I can afford to buy.

The new Camaro's looks have a horrendous intimidation factor. People (especially younger guys) are going to crawl all over the car, even if it means selling a kidney (Camaro SSs ran 30 grand 4 years ago, and it'd be silly to think newer ones are going to be any cheaper).

But for those who prefer to keep both kidneys, they're going to go for the mid V6 Camaro, especially if it's as quick (or slightly quicker) than the LT1 and priced below a Mustang GT. We're talking a 0-60 time under 6 seconds here!

A well equpted V6 Camaro pushing well over 300 horses, without a speed governor, with a well tuned IRS, a good standard equptment list, roll down rear quarter windows, & priced around $23K would be something I'd consider if it had a good "fun to drive" factor.

And I'd gurantee you it would become the near official male car of low to mid twentysomethings, and would become the daily driver of legions of hetrosexual, red-blooded, American men everywhere. :lol:

SFireGT98

03-23-2006, 06:05 PM

I'd take a 300hp V6 Camaro over a V8 Colorado anyday of the week. Hmmm, lets see, the Camaro looks better (in my opinion), would outhandle it, and with a good driver, would probably outrun it too. A truck is a truck and a sports car is a sports car. Ill take the sports car thanks. You can have your V8.

So, we could be looking at possibly more than 3 engine choices? That would be pretty cool, more diversity to the lineup, especially if a boosted 6 made the lineup. Thats a whole nother niche market the Camaro would appeal to right there.

there is no excuse for any straight American man to buy a naturally aspirated V6 Camaro when there is a V8 Camaro available.

Straight American Male here. Own a V6 Camaro too. So because insurance wanted to rape me over an LS1 Camaro and throw in the fact that college is sucking up alot of funds right now, I "have no excuse" to own a V6 Camaro just because the LS1 is available? Get real bud. Im a huge Camaro enthusiast, been one since I was little, and trust me I would love to own an LS1 right now. But you know what? My schooling and career is more important than two extra f**king cylinders right now, especially with a MUCH BETTER v8 Camaro looming on the horizon.

So please, stop the damn V6 generalizing that seems to plague this board. Some of us have other priorities in life and cant afford to sink all our cash in a damn car :mad: :mad: :mad:

merlinsteele

03-23-2006, 06:32 PM

V6 Camaro, especially if it's going to have as much hp as some people seem to think. I have no problem driving a V6, but I'd rather have a V8 if I can afford it. :cool:

EllwynX

03-23-2006, 06:42 PM

The camaro community as a whole is really criticized for excluding V6 camaros as "true camaros" and this probably contibuted to the death of the 4th gens.

Once again, just my opinion.....

My old Sgt. at work refused to call my '02 Camaro a 'Camaro'. He said it wasn't a 'real' Camaro unless it was a V8, so he said I drove a 'Ca'.

EllwynX

03-23-2006, 06:48 PM

I voted Camaro despite the fact that owning a house and not having a truck is a pain in the @$$.

Hopefully a cheap used S10 can be purchased in the future just for the times we need it.

toneloc12345

03-23-2006, 06:59 PM

"Hey guys check out my sweet H.O. V6 camaro! I can't wait to get a cat-back for it, it calls for 93 oct and Mobil 1" :Owned: I really don't see GM just showing up with a 300hp V6 after getting owned by all of the other V6's for the last few years.

What are the chances of a 300hp 250tq new camaro being faster than a lighter LT1 powered F-body?

5thgen69camaro

03-23-2006, 07:13 PM

You're right. Silverado seems to be a much better bang for your buck than Colorado.

Absoloutely

Perhaps as an optional V6.

You may be onto something here if it can be done for cheaper than a Camaro Base V8 if there is one and less than GT Mustang. Think Chevrolet can have Saab build them a turbo for a reliable powerful V6 the way was done for Solstice? I dont know if Saab deals with V6's but I would think Turbos would be their field...

Oh yeah heterosexual 98 V6 owner with American Thunder exhaust and K&N filter, as well as 69 350 2bbl owner

5thgen69camaro

03-23-2006, 07:41 PM

While we're on the topic of a 300+ hp V6. Wouldn't it be interesting if it were available with either - or even both - a luxury package an/or a sport package.

I like that too. If the drive train were exceptional I could see it pulling some potential Z350 buyers looking to save 6 grand or so in exchange for a few hundred pounds and getting back seats...

AdioSS

03-23-2006, 08:04 PM

I sure did piss off a bunch of folks! :lol:

Can somebody tell me the cost of the Z28 option back when the Camaro was still being built?

stars1010

03-23-2006, 08:13 PM

What are the chances of a 300hp 250tq new camaro being faster than a lighter LT1 powered F-body?

Who said the 5th gen will weigh more

Silver

03-23-2006, 08:42 PM

What are the chances of a 300hp 250tq new camaro being faster than a lighter LT1 powered F-body?

ooooooooooo aaaaahhhhhhhh someone mentioned torque... what's he talking about? :confused: could that possibly be a factor? :rolleyes:

Bad AZz Z28

03-23-2006, 08:49 PM

There is no way I would ever buy a V6 Fbody. I dont even think I would keep the 6'er in a GN, Id make it a turbo v8. I will follow the cylinders on this one and take myself a colorado. torque = :metal:

stars1010

03-23-2006, 08:51 PM

Geeez.....you have to realize this possible Hi-po V6 won’t be the straight Mustang GT competitor...OR for about 90% of the guys on this site....

You will still have the SS to go after it head on at about the same price...

I have said this a million times, Mustang GTs sell for around 30k these days.....

Go build a decently optioned one on Ford.com….I’m not lying….:rolleyes:

The Z28 will take out anything above that. ;)

This V6 will just be another cool option at a lower price then the lower hp V8.

It was hard for me to except at first, but I think it’s a solid move now for GM to pick up more buyers…

When I start thinking about the G35 sport coupe, I think this is an even better idea.

Z284ever

03-23-2006, 09:58 PM

Understood, but 4 engine choices with 2 V6's causes a similar quandry. The point of a mid-level V8 is the ability to walk into the dealer, buy a V6 car right down to the suspension and wheels but substitute a nice "base" V8 in the V6's place for a nominal charge. If you go 4 engines with a base and "H.O." V6, what is the cost to get the lowest V8 available? That V8 would jump to 400+ HP, and once again, you might be paying a $5,000 or $6,000 premium for the V8 just like those old ladies in Jason's example.

The point of a "base V8" is to give people that refuse to drive a V6 pony car the ability to get their V8 and get it economically. How will that work with 4 engines when you know 2 are V6's and 1 is the monster? There's too much of a spread there.

I like Jason's example too. It would be great to be able to get that today. But in afew years I can imagine that a 300 horse V8 would be - well - not leading edge. So what's everyone asking for around here? 350hp? How about for the same price as that 350 hp, you get afew bonus ponies....or fifty. :)

As far as being able to buy a base car and just ordering a stand alone V8, I can't deny the coolness of that....but I can't really think of any cars that you can do that with. I mean, you can't get an LS4 in an Impala LS or Monte Carlo LTZ.

If everything goes well, we're gonna get our burbling V8's and some other cool stuff as well.

91_z28_4me

03-24-2006, 07:34 AM

Charlie at this time are we talking HF or OHV?

RoMaD

03-24-2006, 10:19 AM

Yep, should have had a "neither" button. Unless something drastic happens, I will never own another V6 in my entire life. A V6 for my wife might still be up in the air, but so long as I have the means, it's a V8 and M6 no matter what I'm driving... Car, truck, moped...

Let's not forget, unless it's an ultra-small displacement V8 vs. an ultra-high displacment V6, you will still have a torque advantage with the V8 and as everyone here should know, that's where you make your money.

CaminoLS6

03-24-2006, 10:55 AM

I'm feeling a bit guilty for voting. I don't deny that both vehicles might sell, maybe even sell well, but they won't ever sell to me. That was the poll question wasn't it? What would you buy? Not "what's right for the market?"

Z28x

03-24-2006, 11:07 AM

A well equpted V6 Camaro pushing well over 300 horses, without a speed governor, with a well tuned IRS, a good standard equptment list, roll down rear quarter windows, & priced around $23K would be something I'd consider if it had a good "fun to drive" factor.

To get 300HP from a V6 I'm assuming it would be the Direct Injection DOHC 3.6L V6. Would that engine really be used in a $23K car? If so that would be huge :bow: same HP as a Mustang GT and more than most Imports V6 sports cars. I think those would sell like Crazy. A lot of the Import guys are into DOHC and to have a affordable DOHC V6 that is putting out more HP than and Evo and the same as a STi would be a big deal. Another homerun for GM if they can make it happen.

Z284ever

03-24-2006, 11:58 AM

To get 300HP from a V6 I'm assuming it would be the Direct Injection DOHC 3.6L V6. Would that engine really be used in a $23K car? If so that would be huge :bow: same HP as a Mustang GT and more than most Imports V6 sports cars. I think those would sell like Crazy. A lot of the Import guys are into DOHC and to have a affordable DOHC V6 that is putting out more HP than and Evo and the same as a STi would be a big deal. Another homerun for GM if they can make it happen.

I'm not sure about cost...but I guess right in there or so.

And I wouldn't be surprised if it's 300 (+) hp........

And it should have some torque as well.

HAZ-Matt

03-24-2006, 12:31 PM

It wouldn't have to be the 3.6 DOHC... a derivative of the 3.9 would just as easily make 300... but I'm not sure how many "extras" that they have developed will go on the motor.

Also I don't see why you would have to assume the motor is naturally aspirated, given what the current Grand Prix lineup looks like. Practically any of the V6s could be over 300hp with some boost.

RussStang

03-24-2006, 12:50 PM

I don't think a derivitive of the 3.9 will make 300hp (or more), even with direct injection and variable valve timing. It seems to me that the DOHC 3.6 would make a very good v6 for the task.

HAZ-Matt

03-24-2006, 03:54 PM

They had a concept 3.8L that made nearly 300HP NA. I am confident you could get the 3.9 that high with three valves, VVT and DI.

jg95z28

03-24-2006, 06:00 PM

I'd buy a V8 Colorado if offered regardless. :D

Sharker524

03-27-2006, 08:42 PM

V8 Colorado. You wouldn't catch me dead in a V6 pony car

Thank you. I'm tired of those people on here defending V6 pony car owners.

Owning a V6 pony car is just saying one thing:

I don't care about performance, just about looks.

Now tell me, isn't that the same damn thing that's wrong with ricers?

And you can't tell me that even with 300hp that V6 will be stomping Mustang GT's and Challenger R/T's.

All or Nothing.

V8 Colorado all the way.

91Z-28

03-27-2006, 09:14 PM

EllwynX

03-27-2006, 09:35 PM

Thank you. I'm tired of those people on here defending V6 pony car owners.

Owning a V6 pony car is just saying one thing:

I don't care about performance, just about looks.

Now tell me, isn't that the same damn thing that's wrong with ricers?

And you can't tell me that even with 300hp that V6 will be stomping Mustang GT's and Challenger R/T's.

Or perhaps it means someone wants a car to go to and from work, the mall, and maybe down to the shore every now and then, but they want an attractive car. Not everyone is trying to race every car that pulls up next to them at a light. And they are the people that make up the bulk of the car buying public.

Realisticly the looks of the car are the most important aspect. The car has to catch a buyers eye first before anything else. No matter how well it performs, if it's hideous it's not going to sell.

My current car I've had for 11 months and only have 6500 miles on it. I only drive 4 miles one way to work, and don't do a lot of driving thruout the year. A V6 Camaro would be fine for me. (And I've had 2.) The only reason I am interested in a Z28 this time is I've never had one (and I really don't care for the too-generic 'SS' title).

IMO the 'thing wrong' with 'ricers' are the huge Supermarket Cart Wings and Coffee Can exhausts. Sounding like a moped doesn't help either. lol

Though I admit, I realy like a nice body kit and would love to see some subtle GFX on on the new Camaro.

HAZ-Matt

03-27-2006, 10:06 PM

If the 300HP V6 stomps LT1's would your argument evolve to include LT1 owners as only caring about looks instead of performance?

91Z-28

03-27-2006, 10:49 PM

If the 300HP V6 stomps LT1's would your argument evolve to include LT1 owners as only caring about looks instead of performance?

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

squiresz

03-27-2006, 10:50 PM

Owning a V6 pony car is just saying one thing:

I don't care about performance, just about looks.

Even if the V6 has 350hp and can blow the doors off a 300hp V8? But I don't think that is the point here. Some people want a stylish car and simply can't afford a V8, and I don't mean just the price of the car. Insurance on a V6 is going to be less than it would on a V8 model with the same horsepower level, and insurance rates could be the difference in attracting a younger buyer that wants performance and a certain level of affordability of ownership.

Although I wouldn't be a buyer of the V6, this is exactly what GM needs to do to ensure the Camaro is a success in terms of sales.

Sharker524

03-27-2006, 10:53 PM

Or perhaps it means someone wants a car to go to and from work, the mall, and maybe down to the shore every now and then, but they want an attractive car. Not everyone is trying to race every car that pulls up next to them at a light. And they are the people that make up the bulk of the car buying public.

Realisticly the looks of the car are the most important aspect. The car has to catch a buyers eye first before anything else. No matter how well it performs, if it's hideous it's not going to sell.

My current car I've had for 11 months and only have 6500 miles on it. I only drive 4 miles one way to work, and don't do a lot of driving thruout the year. A V6 Camaro would be fine for me. (And I've had 2.) The only reason I am interested in a Z28 this time is I've never had one (and I really don't care for the too-generic 'SS' title).

IMO the 'thing wrong' with 'ricers' are the huge Supermarket Cart Wings and Coffee Can exhausts. Sounding like a moped doesn't help either. lol

Though I admit, I realy like a nice body kit and would love to see some subtle GFX on on the new Camaro.

Okay, you just supported my post 100%. But my point was, the car for you isn't a Camaro. If you aren't an enthusiast, if you don't care about speed, handling, adrenaline, or FUN, then you shouldn't own a Z28.

But I understand V6's are needed and they support the enthusiast vehicles.

yellow_99_gt

03-27-2006, 11:32 PM

EllwynX

03-27-2006, 11:34 PM

Okay, you just supported my post 100%. But my point was, the car for you isn't a Camaro. If you aren't an enthusiast, if you don't care about speed, handling, adrenaline, or FUN, then you shouldn't own a Z28.

But I understand V6's are needed and they support the enthusiast vehicles.

I never said I don't care about any of those things. I enjoy a car that has all of those things. (Especially after driving an Aveo for 11 months. UGH!) But in normal everyday driving it's not something that will come into play.

But in the 'real world' of work and house chores, most people don't have the time to race around squeeling our tires. Just because we're not racing around we shouldn't be getting fun to drive cars for those times when we DO have time to go for a nice ride?

So, because I don't want to race from light to light (not even a possibility where I live were I so inclined to do it) I should settle for a car I find less attractive?

If the only people buying the new Camaro are those of your mindset, it won't last very long and there's going to be a replay of the 4th Gen... Not being sarcastic or smart, just pointing out that 'enthusiasts' are outnumbered by the general public. It's the general buying public that'll keep the Camaro selling so the enthusiasts can get the higher end model they want.

Though I have no doubt once all the 'fun' is at my fingertips, my driving habits will change somewhat. LOL Especially when this cocky young officer at work pulls up next to me in his old Mustang that he thinks is so hot. Oh, and my little brother, who's always had a vehicle with a bigger engine than me since he started driving. I'll be more than happy to kick his @$$ in a race.

Z284ever

03-28-2006, 12:22 AM

All or Nothing.

.

So I guess anyone who buys a Corvette is not interested in performance, unless they get a Z06.

jg95z28

03-28-2006, 01:38 AM

So I guess anyone who buys a Corvette is not interested in performance, unless they get a Z06.
The last time I checked the "base" Corvette still had a V8. :rolleyes:

jg95z28

03-28-2006, 01:40 AM

If the 300HP V6 stomps LT1's would your argument evolve to include LT1 owners as only caring about looks instead of performance?
Next thing you'll be telling me is the Easter bunny is real. :lol:

5thgen69camaro

03-28-2006, 01:50 AM

stars1010

03-28-2006, 01:59 AM

AdioSS

03-28-2006, 09:25 AM

Some of you are real tools and must have real small……well whatever….
Engines? No, you're thinking about the V6 again ;)

Can anybody answer my question? How much was the Z28 option package on the 4th Gens?

Maybe I shouldn't say anything about the V6s... The engine in my first car was a 5 cylinder. But it did have a turbo!

Chrome383Z

03-28-2006, 10:08 AM

Next thing you'll be telling me is the Easter bunny is real. :lol:

In this case I wouldn't be suprised if he is.

Ken S

03-28-2006, 10:59 AM

I'm not voting, caues I would not buy either!

IF they were the only two vehicles left in the world, I would pick the Colorado with the V8.. It would be a neat truck, but I'm not in the market for one, and most likely never will be.

Then again, on second thought, how powerful and decked out is the V6?

Z284ever

03-28-2006, 11:13 AM

falchulk

03-28-2006, 11:35 AM

jg95z28

03-28-2006, 01:55 PM

Some of the arguments here are interesting.

A RWD coupe, on a rigid platform, with multilink IRS, double pivot front struts, huge 4 wheel dic brakes, manual trans....is not a performance car because it gets it's power from 6 pistons vs 8 pistons.

However......

A crude truck, with a leaf spring live rear axle, and disc/drums is a performance vehicle because it gets the exact same amount of power from 8 pistons instead of 6.

Some of you guys are simply hillarious.....:D
I like the idea of a V8 Colorado because I like the idea of big things in little packages. V8 swaps in Fieros are cool. I have an urge to drop a small block Chevy in a small mid 60's British sports car some day. I have similar urge to build a T-bucket with a 425 Buick motor.

And, sure there are V6 performance cars. Heck I even consider the 4-cylinder Solstice a performance car (especially next year with the Turbo Ecotec version), however a Camaro with a V6 needs much more than Camaro's lineage and a connection to a Z/28 or SS to consider it a performance car. It needs to be modified first.

Comparing the base Corvette to the V6 Camaro is idiotic. The Corvette in base form is a performance car. The Z06 is a SUPER performance car. The V6 Camaro is neither... unless its been heavily modified. But then any box on wheels could be heavily modified and thus make it into a performance car. There's absolutely nothing wrong with doing that. People do this all the time.... modifying suspensions, adding forced induction, swapping bigger wheels and tires... all these things can be done to make something into a performance car.

But let's not confuse things here, shall we? The question was which would you rather have, a V6 Camaro or a V8 Colorado? Sure the Colorado suspension is brutish compared to the Camaro, but its still light-years ahead of 1970's technology. Additionally it should be a straight-line monster. Let's face it, if you're buying any high performance truck, you're not expecting it to be a canyon carver, nor are you expecting it to out handle a V6 Camaro. It was a hypothetical question. That's all!

I think all Camaros are cool even V6s. If you drive a Camaro, hey then you and I have something in common. Heck, I understand that maybe some people can't afford the insurance and now a days gas on a V8, so you got a V6. I'm totally cool with that. But, please don't try to claim that because you have a Camaro its a performance car. Maybe you've modified it so it performs better than stock. That's awesome. But its still going to be looked down upon by some people. Stick that same package in a car 1/2 its weight and maybe you have a valid argument that few could challenge. However when there are Honda Civics that scream performance more than a V6 Camaro, please do not call it a performance car... sporty coupe, yes. But performance car? :no:

HAZ-Matt

03-28-2006, 02:15 PM

I don't think this is supposed to be the base engine. How much different than a 350Z or G35 Coupe would a 300HP V6 Camaro be?

RussStang

03-28-2006, 03:12 PM

However when there are Honda Civics that scream performance more than a V6 Camaro, please do not call it a performance car... sporty coupe, yes. But performance car? :no:

I would have no problem calling a v6 Camaro that makes in excess of 300hp a performance car, especially when in all likely hood it will have other upgraded goodies over the base v6 car.

Ken S

03-28-2006, 04:30 PM

V8 Colorado will probably be a much more unique vehicle..

Hence if I was forced to add only either one of those cars to my driveway and keep it, it would be the Colorado. Especially since I would alrady have a V8 Camaro for myself.. ;)

Although if it was my only vehicle, or I didn't have a sport car, and I really could onl chose between the two, then the V6 Camaro.. (although I would shoppinng for alternatives)

Honestly, I personally won't buy a Camaro unless its a V8, and have no interest in the Colorado's (if you get a truck, might as well go for at least go a light duty full size)

Z284ever

03-28-2006, 06:00 PM

But let's not confuse things here, shall we? The question was which would you rather have, a V6 Camaro or a V8 Colorado?

A key component of the question was "with same power and at the same cost".

stars1010

03-28-2006, 06:15 PM

Z284ever

03-28-2006, 07:31 PM

:rolleyes:

I'm sick of arguing with some of you over stuff that is already set in stone(engines) and other stuff that is obvious (price).....

I'll get back to this convo when the 5th gen is out........

Maybe not set in stone but something softer.....maybe set in plaster?

How about this line up....which is conjecture, but plausible......

A DI HF V6 as base.....

Some version of a 6.0 which is as powerful as a current LS2 (but is even cleaner and gets better gas mileage) as a midlevel....

A fairly radically tuned N/A 6.2 at the top.....

3 engines.

The funny thing about stuff which is set in stone is; that it is always considered set....until it changes.

HAZ-Matt

03-28-2006, 11:21 PM

A DI HF V6 as base.....

Some version of a 6.0 which is as powerful as a current LS2 (but is even cleaner and gets better gas mileage) as a midlevel....

A fairly radically tuned N/A 6.2 at the top.....

3 engines.
That would be quite the lineup.

Sharker524

03-28-2006, 11:31 PM

So I guess anyone who buys a Corvette is not interested in performance, unless they get a Z06.

The base corvette still hauls ass.

I said RT and GT for a reason. Z28/SS should be made to compete with these. Z28/SS should be made to compete with the Shelby/SRT.

Not RS, unless they can magically make a V6 car that can easily compete with the V8's, I'm not buying into this little dream world.

RussStang

03-28-2006, 11:50 PM

That would be quite the lineup.

Yes it would, and one that I would have no particularly problem with.

grossesexy

03-28-2006, 11:55 PM

That would be quite the lineup.

Yea it would wouldn't it.

A V6 putting out aroune 300-350 horses.

V8 putting out around 450-500.

Then the next year a V8 putting around 600-650 horses.

Seems like it would be a badass setup.

stars1010

03-29-2006, 12:07 AM

Yea it would wouldn't it.

A V6 putting out aroune 300-350 horses.

V8 putting out around 450-500.

Then the next year a V8 putting around 600-650 horses.

Seems like it would be a badass setup.

Your mid V8 is prob a lil high and what about a base V6?.........

Z284ever

03-29-2006, 01:10 AM

Yea it would wouldn't it.

A V6 putting out aroune 300-350 horses.

V8 putting out around 450-500.

Then the next year a V8 putting around 600-650 horses.

Seems like it would be a badass setup.

Here would be my numbers, again speculative...

-285 hp

-395 hp

-465 hp

RussStang

03-29-2006, 12:23 PM

Here would be my numbers, again speculative...

-285 hp

-395 hp

-465 hp

I would like to see each number alittle higher than that, but for the most part that is right in the ballpark of what I like.

SFireGT98

03-29-2006, 02:26 PM

So was I a ricer for enjoying my V6 Camaro?

It wasn’t the fastest thing around but it was a cool first car……

What about my V6 now? With $100 in mods I could be beating stock LT1s….

Some of you are real tools and must have real small……well whatever….

I can appreciate different cars for different things…..Apparently some of you cant…

:rolleyes:

I understand the love of V8's. Hell I love them too. But some of these guys on here are like zealots on this subject, V8 or nothing at all. I agree with Charlie, I find it hilarious that someone would turn down a (theoretically) 285hp sports car and take a truck just because the truck had a v8. :lol: :lol: I understand supporting an ideal but c'mon guys!

Owning a V6 pony car is just saying one thing:

I don't care about performance, just about looks.

Wow, what a blatantly stupid statement. So, I own a V6. I cant afford an LS1 car right now bc of other priorities. So that means I dont care about performance? I only care about looks? Okay......:rolleyes:

I sure did piss off a bunch of folks! :lol:

Can somebody tell me the cost of the Z28 option back when the Camaro was still being built?

Im not sure about the actual numbers but Im sure it would've cost anywhere between 3-5 grand more for a Z28 over the 6 cyl. Throw in the fact that the Z28 has higher insurance than the 6 (maybe not for you 30 and ups but for us youg'ns in our low 20s) and it becomes apparent that for some people, a 6 is the only way to get into a new Camaro.

But even today on the used market Z28's are still much higher. In Florida, I can afford a damn 2002 V6. However finding a non-thrashed LS1 for a decent price is becoming harder and harder and almost worth just to wait for the damn 5th gen to come out.

grossesexy

03-29-2006, 07:13 PM

Your mid V8 is prob a lil high and what about a base V6?.........

Oh I know, I'm just saying those numbers would be badass. If I was trying to be completely realistic I would say:

Base V6- 250 hp (which I can't see them doing more than one version of the V6 honestly, so lets just entertain this thought for fantasy)

Premium V6 - 300-325 hp

Standard V8 - 400-425 hp

SS V8 - Around 500-550 horsepower

I would actually feel pretty confident that the premium V6 and standard V8 will be within the ranges I listed.

HAZ-Matt

03-29-2006, 09:17 PM

I would not be too confident that a 300Hp V6 Camaro will have cheap insurance, especially if the car is inexpensive.

Z284ever

03-29-2006, 10:18 PM

The base corvette still hauls ass.

I said RT and GT for a reason. Z28/SS should be made to compete with these. Z28/SS should be made to compete with the Shelby/SRT.

Not RS, unless they can magically make a V6 car that can easily compete with the V8's, I'm not buying into this little dream world.

Honestly, I'm just not getting your point at all.

Especially, the part when you say - "owning a V6, (a V6 which in the context of this discussion, would outpower an LT1 or maybe even match an LS1 :eek: ), means you just don't care about performance".

That just makes no sense to me.

Have you even ever driven a 300 hp V6?

A 300 horse V6 in a competent chassis sounds like a pretty thrilling ride to me....and yes I care about performance.

Sharker524

03-30-2006, 12:39 AM

Honestly, I'm just not getting your point at all.

Especially, the part when you say - "owning a V6, (a V6 which in the context of this discussion, would outpower an LT1 or maybe even match an LS1 :eek: ), means you just don't care about performance".

That just makes no sense to me.

Have you even ever driven a 300 hp V6?

A 300 horse V6 in a competent chassis sounds like a pretty thrilling ride to me....and yes I care about performance.

It's a bad idea, man, just accept that and move on...Damn...

V6 Owners- If you cared about performance more than you cared about looks you would have saved money for a V8 or gotten something older.

And as for the die-hard Camaro fans who just HAVE to own a new Camaro, and can't afford a V8, well, sorry. Do what you have to, but don't think that brand loyalty will boost your horsepower when a brand new mustang GT pulls up next to you at a stoplight.

Nothing I say applies to those badasses out there who buy V6s and bolt a supercharger on. Sleepers rock.

Z284ever

03-30-2006, 12:52 AM

V6 Owners- If you cared about performance more than you cared about looks you would have saved money for a V8 or gotten something older.

.

Define your idea of performance for me.

Because unless I've missed something in this thread.....your arguing for choosing the 300hp (or whatever power value we choose) V8 truck over the 300hp V6 ponycar.

How is that about 'more performance'?

grossesexy

03-30-2006, 01:44 AM

I would not be too confident that a 300Hp V6 Camaro will have cheap insurance, especially if the car is inexpensive.

Regardless of whether or not the insurance will be cheap, I would get used to the idea. ;)

Sharker524

03-30-2006, 02:39 AM

Define your idea of performance for me.

Because unless I've missed something in this thread.....your arguing for choosing the 300hp (or whatever power value we choose) V8 truck over the 300hp V6 ponycar.

How is that about 'more performance'?

A truck is a truck. I'd take an I5 Colorado over a V6 Camaro.

That has a little more to do with the fact that I really like Colorados, lol.

SFireGT98

03-30-2006, 09:19 AM

It's a bad idea, man, just accept that and move on...Damn...

V6 Owners- If you cared about performance more than you cared about looks you would have saved money for a V8 or gotten something older.

Something older?? :lol: :lol: Hmmm, lets see. Buy a good 4th gen V6 that will be reliable and quick or buy an older probably thrashed 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or early 4th gen and spend even more money on it repairing it, detailing it and getting it in as good a shape as my current 4th gen. Like I said in an earlier post, some people have other priorities in life than just cars. Not all of us can just pull a couple thousand out of our a$$'s. Easier said than done.

And as for the die-hard Camaro fans who just HAVE to own a new Camaro, and can't afford a V8, well, sorry. Do what you have to, but don't think that brand loyalty will boost your horsepower when a brand new mustang GT pulls up next to you at a stoplight.

I like all pony cars, but I like Camaros alot more than Mustangs. As to that Mustang GT that pulls up next to me at a stoplight, WHO CARES! If I want to race, I take my car down to the local drag strip, not on the damn street. Especially where I live in tourist nation.

Nothing I say applies to those badasses out there who buy V6s and bolt a supercharger on. Sleepers rock.

And a 300hp N/A V6 isnt a sleeper? :irk: So you went from a "V6 Camaro isnt cool at all" to "actually, some V6 Camaros are cool"

Like Charlie said, you're not making much sense. Only thing you're doing is taking needless potshots at V6 owners and quite frankly its annoying as hell :mad: :death: