4.5 diesel V8 Impala?

Reuters:

GLOBAL DIESEL OFFENSIVE.

Separately, the trade publication also reported that GM is planning a global diesel offensive starting in 2008 that would include launching new diesel engines in the United States, where the technology has found few fans compared to Europe.

"We are developing right now two highly modern diesel motors that won't just fulfil the Euro-5 emission standards, but (also) the more stringent Bin-5 regulations in the USA," an unidentified GM manager told Automobilwoche.

It plans to introduce a 2.9 liter V6 and a 4.5 liter V8 that will gradually be used in almost all sport utility vehicles, pick-ups and large sedans in all GM brands and all markets.

Should the biggest U.S.-based carmaker roll out models with diesel engines on a large scale in the United States, then German carmakers that have specialized in the more fuel-efficient powertrain technology may be able to make greater inroads into the local market.

Reuters:
Quite possibly. More than likely the GMT900s. I am curious what we will see the 2.9 V6 in, GMT355s or 360s anyone? We could also get the 2.9 in things like the Thetas and the 4.5 V8 in the Lambdas.

4.5L V8 will have a lot of torque. 450+ probably. Should make for a nice GMT900 1500 series engine.

I'd buy a Diesel GMT355 in a heart beat to replace my Colorado.

What are the specs on these diesels? Are they turbo diesels or NA? Are they new designs, or things that have been available outside the US for a while?

What are the specs on these diesels? Are they turbo diesels or NA? Are they new designs, or things that have been available outside the US for a while?

I would think an NA diesel would have an incredibly difficult time passing diesel emissions nowadays. That, and the fact that an NA diesel would also be incredibly slow.

I read somewhere over a year ago there was a rumor of a 4.9 liter V6 diesel. Someone had seen the engine in a 99ish silverado I believe... Maybe I was wrong..

Large sedans... if Impala that would also mean Commodore Zeta diesel. :D

are these more of isuzus motors?

are these more of isuzus motors?
Duramax yes, Isuzu no. Duramax is a GM/Isuzu partnership it is not 1 sided.

true however GM had nothing to do with the duramax's design, its an isuzu motor.

true however GM had nothing to do with the duramax's design, its an isuzu motor.
And where was it made before the Duramax plant was built in the US? Didn't think so. It is a Duramax design not Isuzu.

i know where its built, i work there. as far as the design, its Japanese, at least thats what HR told us.

The 4.9L concept Diesel was a 6.6L Duramax in 2 cyl. cut off.

These new engine are GMs and I'd assume the work being done on them is coming from Europe.

we have heard that isuzu had a 6.6 minus 2 cylinders in use in asia. we were hoping theyed bring it here for more job security

Ryan1488 is right. They are Isuzu by design. Duramax is a joint venture but, the motors are totally designed by Isuzu. Even the machines they run are from Japan. Isuzu's main focus in the world is Diesel power.

Quick synopsis of the facts…..

December 1998 a joint venture was formed between GM and Isuzu Motors called DMax LTD. DMax LTD is the final assembly facility in Moraine Ohio.

1999 GM increases it’s ownership of Isuzu to 49%. GM now has controlling interest in Isuzu.

August 2002 GM lessens it’s overall ownership of Isuzu to 12% and at the same time takes full control of DMax LTD and acquires rights and technology of Isuzu Motors diesel operations. This includes factories and all engine designs.

Duramax models…

2001 – 2004 LB7 300HP/520TQ
2004.5 - 2005 LLY 310HP/605TQ
2006 – current LBZ 360HP/650TQ

All Duramax final production comes from Moraine, Ohio.

The LB7 was designed by Isuzu.
The LLY most if not all changes to the design mandated by GM. (fuel rails external to the valve covers, VVT).
LBZ is extensively changed by GM. (block, piston design, compression ratio, intake, fuel delivery, turbo psi, ECM, etc)

Quite possibly. More than likely the GMT900s. I am curious what we will see the 2.9 V6 in, GMT355s or 360s anyone? We could also get the 2.9 in things like the Thetas and the 4.5 V8 in the Lambdas.

From some time back......

Big Plans for little Hummer: Diesel, beefier engine are in works for H3
JAMIE LAREAU | Automotive News
Posted Date: 10/24/05

DETROIT -- General Motors has big plans for the smallest truck in its Hummer lineup.

GM intends to offer V-8 and diesel versions of the mid-sized H3 SUV.

Two sources inside GM say the automaker is in the early stages of preparing to offer an H3 with a 5.3-liter V-8.

"It's another couple of years out," said one source at GM, who asked to not be named.

Hummer will add a diesel engine to the H3 later, the source said.

The SUV comes with GM's Vortec 3500 3.5-liter inline five-cylinder engine, which delivers 220 hp.

So if it can go in the H3, the Canyon and Colorado are shoe in's too!!! ;)

The 4.9L concept Diesel was a 6.6L Duramax in 2 cyl. cut off.

These new engine are GMs and I'd assume the work being done on them is coming from Europe.


we have heard that isuzu had a 6.6 minus 2 cylinders in use in asia. we were hoping theyed bring it here for more job security


Looks like there something being done right here at home. The link within the link :) indicates a V6 diesel at the GM Proving Grounds near Milford, Michigan.http://web.camaross.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3404770&postcount=19

;) ;)

As for power output these numbers are completly made up in my head but probably pretty good guesses,

2.9L 180-190hp, 325ftlbs, could work with 6l60e.

4.5L 250hp, 450ftlbs, 6l80e.

I am interested in if these motors will be alumium or iron block alum head.

I would bet they stay with the Iron block/ aluminum heads.

So if it can go in the H3, the Canyon and Colorado are shoe in's too!!! ;)[/QUOTE]


Yes you can. And the Trail Blazer has had hard looks.
Trust me when I say the changes to the engine are minor. Mostly upping boost and a new ECU

I would love to see diesel in the 1500 series pickups from GM.
If they could pull of a 10k tow rating I would be instantly sold. :)

I know, I drive a 6.5L mail truck that gets 10mpg. It weighs 12,000lbs, its non-turbo, has zero aerodynamics, and only a four speed auto with 4.88 gears. I drive the heck out of it and it gets 10 MPG! City. Imagine a vehicle that weighs 4000lbs like a colorado with a 6 speed auto. 25mpg city and 30 mpg hwy would be about right.

How about a 4.5 L turbo diesel for the new Camaro?

How about a 4.5 L turbo diesel for the new Camaro?
uhhh no :D

I would love to see diesel in the 1500 series pickups from GM.
If they could pull of a 10k tow rating I would be instantly sold. :)
The extended cab and crew cab Vortec max equiped 1500s can tow around 10400 lbs now.

The extended cab and crew cab Vortec max equiped 1500s can tow around 10400 lbs now.

Yeah! good idea, and whats the Vortec Max EPA numbers look like?? is it 8 or 9 city and 11 or 12 highway?

Yeah! good idea, and whats the Vortec Max EPA numbers look like?? is it 8 or 9 city and 11 or 12 highway?
I don't know but if you need to tow, you need to tow. You get what you can afford that will do the job. The Vortec Max will get the job done AND will cost thousands less than the lowest Duramax that will do it. Even stepping up to the 2500 will cost you mucho denero. I simply posted that GM already has something that does what the poster asked. If you don't like it tough.

Yeah! good idea, and whats the Vortec Max EPA numbers look like?? is it 8 or 9 city and 11 or 12 highway?Actually, the ratings are 14/19 for a 2wd and 14/17 for a 4wd with the 345 hp/380 lbft 6.0L Vortec "Max". About 1 mpg city/2 mpg hwy lower than a 5.3L truck.

The only concern I see with a 4.5 diesel would be how to slot it in a 1500 at a good price point. I would think it would have to be cheaper than a 2500 series truck, but more expensive than a current 5.3 1500 truck. However, I bet they could sell 4.5 1500 level trucks for about $30K by the truckload. We currently have a 2004 GMC Sierra 5.3 work package extended cab 4x4. That package with the 4.5 diesel would be awesome.

The only concern I see with a 4.5 diesel would be how to slot it in a 1500 at a good price point. I would think it would have to be cheaper than a 2500 series truck, but more expensive than a current 5.3 1500 truck. However, I bet they could sell 4.5 1500 level trucks for about $30K by the truckload. We currently have a 2004 GMC Sierra 5.3 work package extended cab 4x4. That package with the 4.5 diesel would be awesome.

Duramax 6.6L is a $6,030 option over a LQ4 6.0L gas V8. A 1500 series diesel needs to cost no more than $1500-2000 over the top gas V8 to make it worth it to a lot of people IMHO.

In a Colorado I'd want a V6 Diesel to be the same price as a gas V8 and a I4 Diesel to cost no more than $500 over the I5

Duramax 6.6L is a $6,030 option over a LQ4 6.0L gas V8. A 1500 series diesel needs to cost no more than $1500-2000 over the top gas V8 to make it worth it to a lot of people IMHO.

In a Colorado I'd want a V6 Diesel to be the same price as a gas V8 and a I4 Diesel to cost no more than $500 over the I5

I think that is a reasonable strategy.

Duramax 6.6L is a $6,030 option over a LQ4 6.0L gas V8. A 1500 series diesel needs to cost no more than $1500-2000 over the top gas V8 to make it worth it to a lot of people IMHO.

In a Colorado I'd want a V6 Diesel to be the same price as a gas V8 and a I4 Diesel to cost no more than $500 over the I5

Sound a little on the optimistic side... be nice if it happens though.

Sound a little on the optimistic side... be nice if it happens though.

Yes but I think that is what it will take to get people into Diesels. Most people will say "Why buy a Diesel if a Hybrid cost less and gets the same milage and you can get fuel at 100% of the gas stations vs. 30% for Diesel"

I don't think Diesels ability to out last a gas engine by hundreds of thousands of miles is enough to get people to buy it. Not many people with money drive a car with 100,000 mi +

Yes but I think that is what it will take to get people into Diesels. Most people will say "Why buy a Diesel if a Hybrid cost less and gets the same milage and you can get fuel at 100% of the gas stations vs. 30% for Diesel"
Is it just around here or do most stations have at least 1 diesel pump? Everyone I can think of near me except the Kroger one has diesel.

I dont know any stations here that doesnt have a diesel pump .

Diesel is pretty common around here, lots of people have modified diesel trucks and duellys around here, NOT to work in, but to play in, especially the Dodge Cummins trucks. Which is not helping the stigma that diesel has of being "dirty" everytime one of these guys pushs a button and floors it and pure black smoke bellows out of the exhaust.

Problem is diesel is just as high if not higher than gas around here most of the time. I really don't understand how these guys can afford to drive these things.

My parents recently went on a trip to Gremany while over there they rented a Opel crossover type vehicle that was diesel and had a 6-speed manual. My dad was really impressed with the quiet smoothness and performance of this diesel, he easily got up to 120+ mph on the Autobahn. Another thing my dad liked was that bio-diesel doesn't stink like American diesel fuel.

The extended cab and crew cab Vortec max equiped 1500s can tow around 10400 lbs now.

No gas motor will ever pull like a diesel.

Can anyone tell me when the vortec max became an option?

Would anyone here buy a turbo-diesel Zeta Impala?

This just got me thinking... what about a duramax swap into an old muscle car and then maxed out...

In a world where a person like myself is trying to be different with his cars this might be pretty cool :)

Would anyone here buy a turbo-diesel Zeta Impala?

My father would most likely buy one. He loves the Imala, and if one could be had with diesel and manual tranny, he would be all over it I'm sure.

Is it just around here or do most stations have at least 1 diesel pump? Everyone I can think of near me except the Kroger one has diesel.

Smaller stations only have gas. The ones with more 8 or more pumps usually have diesel.

Smaller stations only have gas. The ones with more 8 or more pumps usually have diesel.
Maybe that is it. All the ones around me have like 8-10 pumps.

I would be one of the first in line to buy a 1500 with a diesel. I pull a 6000 LB travel trailer with my 2004 Sierra Crew Cab equipped with a 5.3 L and I can tell you quite handily that it is not nearly enough power and torque when pulling through the Rocky Mountains. Flat, open highway is no problem, but given an 8-10% grade, you definitely notice the lack of torque, and this is where a diesel would absolutely shine.

By the way, the 12 hour Sebring race was won by a diesel powered car - I think the future of diesel engines is bright indeed.

There is definitely market for this engine in North America.

are these more of isuzus motors?

no it is my understanding these are chevy diesels... i've heard about this from my dealership... ive heard there is also supposed to be a 5.3 deisel... but they use the same basic design as the durmax but they are exclusive to chevy

are these more of isuzus motors?

no it is my understanding these are chevy diesels... i've heard about this from my dealership... ive heard there is also supposed to be a 5.3 deisel... but they use the same basic design as the durmax but they are exclusive to chevy


http://web.camaross.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3724909&postcount=16

and

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3404770&postcount=19

Would anyone here buy a turbo-diesel Zeta Impala?

I know it's a year later, but I know for a fact that my dad would, and most likely I would too. Though it would be difficult for me to decide between a diesel and an SS.

My first car was my dad's 1982 Mercedes Benz 300SD with a 3.0L Turbo diesel. 120hp in a 4000# car that had IRS and rear discs on 14" wheels. :bow:


From everything that's happened and come out over the last year, do you guys still think that a diesel impala is in the future?

I know it's a year later, but I know for a fact that my dad would, and most likely I would too. Though it would be difficult for me to decide between a diesel and an SS.

My first car was my dad's 1982 Mercedes Benz 300SD with a 3.0L Turbo diesel. 120hp in a 4000# car that had IRS and rear discs on 14" wheels. :bow:


From everything that's happened and come out over the last year, do you guys still think that a diesel impala is in the future?


I think a diesel Impala will definitely be something product planners will consider. Especially since the engine and the rest of the powertrain will already be developed.

The thing is cost. A smooth running, torquey, turbo diesel might almost seem like a no brainer - until you consider that it will add several thousand dollars to the sticker over a gas engine.

So I guess the real question is: would you spend an extra $3,500 or so premium to get a diesel in an Impala?

The thing is cost. A smooth running, torquey, turbo diesel might almost seem like a no brainer - until you consider that it will add several thousand dollars to the sticker over a gas engine.

So I guess the real question is: would you spend an extra $3,500 or so premium to get a diesel in an Impala?

$3500 over a base V6, yes. $3500 over an Impala SS probably not.

Would anyone here buy a turbo-diesel Zeta Impala?

If it is done right (smooth and a torque monster)- in a minute!

Someone mentioned an Impala SS vs a diesel. Pricing would be important but the performance potential, durability and mileage would be the selling points for me.

yeah diesel vs SS would be a tough decision :)

The UAW Contract stuff has revealed a bunch about the future of a diesel impala.

-- Lansing/Grand River: Cadillac CTS, STS and SRX through 2009; Cadillac CTS wagon and CTS coupe in 2009; Two new rear-wheel-drive large cars in 2011.

And several pages state that the 4.5L HO V8 Diesel will begin production January 2010.

I haven't seen anything about the 2.9L V6 Diesel though...

Would anyone here buy a turbo-diesel Zeta Impala?

I would buy the lion badge version..

And several pages state that the 4.5L HO V8 Diesel will begin production January 2010.

That is going into the Silverado and H2

I'm curious to see how they pass emissions when California begins requiring biannual tests for diesels under 14,000 GVW in a couple years.

I think a diesel Impala will definitely be something product planners will consider. Especially since the engine and the rest of the powertrain will already be developed.

The thing is cost. A smooth running, torquey, turbo diesel might almost seem like a no brainer - until you consider that it will add several thousand dollars to the sticker over a gas engine.

So I guess the real question is: would you spend an extra $3,500 or so premium to get a diesel in an Impala?

Honda would seem to think poeple will pay more for a diesel Accord. I would have to think anything that lessens the weekly financial hit of a family would be an extremely attractive and valuable alternative. I'd definately seriously consider a diesel of any car for the improved milage.

If its convered with a 100,000 mile powertrain warrenty, and convince me I won't have to do any extra maintenance/operating costs over a gas engine for the 100,000 miles, then i'll look into one, if it gets significantly better gas milage.