Chevy would be wise...

to make the Z28 the top performing Camaro, and the SS a mid level.

It would make sense from a marketing standpoint, since currently the SS is the top model on every other model that they offer. And since the previous SS was the top model.

I think Dodge should make the new Challenger SRT8 the mid level performer, and then just a regular Hemi Challenger as the top model. It would make sense since all other SRT models are top performers in each model.

Also, BMW's new M5 should be the mid level performer for the 5 series, and then have a top dog be like a 540i. That would be sweet. And it would make sense.

I was thinking that Mercedes would be smart to start making their AMG series cars the mid level entries, like a SL65 as a base model, and then a SL500 as the top dog.

All of these scenarios would make sense, and would absolutely not confuse the customer.

The SS badge has never really been on cars that were performers - only luxury cruisers with decent performance. Hell look at the '70 LS6 SS 454 Chevelle - that thing didn't run. I'd much rather have a '70 Malibu - now those kicked ass. Plus they are worth a lot more money.

Yes sir - the SS has never been king. It's never really been a mark of performance, more of a cheap base model option in most cars throughout Chevy's history.

Mark my words - the new Camaro SS will be the base V6 option, and the Z28 will be top dog with a supercharged LS7 putting down 600 rwhp.

Just my .02 :bow:

I agree completely and don’t detect a bit of sarcasm in your post
;)


GM should also get rid of the Z06 and start calling it the Corvette SS,

I'm so confused...what does Z06 mean....shouldn’t it be an SS too?

I mean the top Malibu is an SS....

I agree completely and don’t detect a bit of sarcasm in your post
;)


GM should also get rid of the Z06 and start calling it the Corvette SS,

I'm so confused...what does Z06 mean....shouldn’t it be an SS too?

I mean the top Malibu is an SS....

1. Agreed

2. yes it should

3. and it STILL has more HP than the mighty 1982 Z28!;)

I agree completely and don’t detect a bit of sarcasm in your post
;)

:D

GM should also get rid of the Z06 and start calling it the Corvette SS,


Yes that would make sense since the Corvette's top model has always been SS. Just like the Camaros of the past. ;)

1. Agreed

2. yes it should

3. and it STILL has more HP than the mighty 1982 Z28!;)

Where was the SS in 1982 again?

Oh yeah taking its 22 year break from the Camaro line up:p

Hell look at the '70 LS6 SS 454 Chevelle - that thing didn't run.
Uh, I'm sure that running high 11's from the factory in 1970 sure wasnt considered a turd...even by todays standards that is quick as hell.

Fry

:D



Yes that would make sense since the Corvette's top model has always been SS. Just like the Camaros of the past. ;)

Except between 1973 and 1995 when the SS wasn’t produced and you could only get a Z28 as the top model....

But why count those years....we all know the last few years of the 4th gen are the only thing that matters.
:cool:

Uh, I'm sure that running high 11's from the factory in 1970 sure wasnt considered a turd...even by todays standards that is quick as hell.

Fry

Dude you just ruined the thread.....:rolleyes:

Except between 1973 and 1995 when the SS wasn’t produced and you could only get a Z28 as the top model....

But why count those years....we all know the last few years of the 4th gen are the only thing that matters.
:cool:

That's true. And from 1973 to 1995, the top Camaros were REALLY fast. ;)

Where was the SS in 1982 again?

Oh yeah taking its 22 year break from the Camaro line up:p

yeah, they didn't want to dilute the heritage of the SS Camaro ;)

Plus, the Z28 had such great companionship all those years. My personal favorite was the Z34 Lumina! that was a rocking ride:D


PS-At least for my part this is all in jest, I simply love aggravating the Z28 Nazi's. As long as the top dog Camaro is one bad mo-fo, I will own one, no matter what designation it wears ...............





















As long as it is a Super Sport!;)

Dude you just ruined the thread.....:rolleyes:

I don't know how someone wouldn't have been able to pick up on that. :confused: :)

That's true. And from 1973 to 1995, the top Camaros were REALLY fast. ;)


Faster than the model that wasn’t produced.....

Oh and how many racing series has the SS graced with it almighty name…..

Hmmmmm…. One….no…..eerrrr…oh wait! NONE! :D

:lol:

This is fun

Yep, and the Z/28 sure kept Trans Am racing right up there at the top. In fact I can't wait to be able to flip flop between Nascar and Trans Am next season :eek:

To borrow a line from the Sierra Mist commercials " I gotta say, this never gets old!" :0

Faster than the model that wasn’t produced.....

Oh and how many racing series has the SS graced with it almighty name…..

Hmmmmm…. One….no…..eerrrr…oh wait! NONE! :D

:lol:

This is fun

:bow:

Hey if Chev has the Z28 as the top model, I guess I'll be buying a Z28. If it's an SS, I'll be buying the SS. When it all boils down, I really don't care just as long as they make the damn thing! :D

yeah, they didn't want to dilute the heritage of the SS Camaro ;)

Plus, the Z28 had such great companionship all those years. My personal favorite was the Z34 Lumina! that was a rocking ride:D

Yeah I agree, good thing these days the only other Z car is the fastest best handling car to ever be built by GM........it does however sit on the show room floor next to SS Cobalt’s and Malibu’s though....hmmmmm those don’t dilute any name at all….

PS-At least for my part this is all in jest, I simply love aggravating the Z28 Nazi's. As long as the top dog Camaro is one bad mo-fo, I will own one, no matter what designation it wears ...............


As long as it is a Super Sport!;)

Yeah I'm having fun with this debate.....

SS Cobalt, IMO, surely does not dilute the SS name. That is a fast little pocket rocket, and appears to be quite nicely made. AS OPPOSED to that stellar little time bomb, the Z24 Cavalier, now there is a worthy Z car :lol:

When it all boils down, I really don't care just as long as they make the damn thing! :D

SEEEE!

I keep hearing the SS guys claim that!

Not like us Z28 guys…..

We know what must be done!

GM better listen up!

Z28 = Top CAMARO!:cz28:

I need a new hobby.....I'm getting way too into this

Dude you just ruined the thread.....:rolleyes:
Eh! :shrug:

I'm just so tired of reading posts from people who dont know their ass from a handbasket. Use accuruate info, find accurate info, or base your post as a question if you dont know what your talking about. If it was sarchasim, I definatly took it literally...my bad. Sorry guys, ignorance gets under my skin when it comes to my cars.

Fry

SS Cobalt, IMO, surely does not dilute the SS name. That is a fast little pocket rocket, and appears to be quite nicely made. AS OPPOSED to that stellar little time bomb, the Z24 Cavalier, now there is a worthy Z car :lol:


Well I actually agree with you there.....

Just had to add some thing to the SS Malibu…….

How bout we switch out Cobalt SS in my last comment and say FWD Impy SS

LOL man, it's cool. The whole point of this thread is nothing more than a little mid day, friendly pissing match. It is not really about the SS line-up, more about the SS is king versus the Z28 is king Camaro camps. FWIW, I think the 1970 LS-6 Chevelle is one of the penultimate muscle cars ever built! :bow:

Eh! :shrug:

I'm just so tired of reading posts from people who dont know their ass from a handbasket. Use accuruate info, find accurate info, or base your post as a question if you dont know what your talking about. Sorry guys, ignorance gets under my skin when it comes to my cars.

Fry

:lol:

Sorry buddy but we are all being sarcastic.....

you probably have to stop in here pretty regularly to pick up on it....

We have had a big Z28 vs SS as top Camaro debate over the past few years in here.

go back and read the first post again and you'll prob get what HOTCIVIC is getting at...


ok off to class!:p

Well I actually agree with you there.....

Just had to add some thing to the SS Malibu…….

How bout we switch out Cobalt SS in my last comment and say FWD Impy SS

You mean the Front wheel drive Impy SS that is a drivers race away from beating a R/T Charger with the vaunted hemi? Try again!

LOL man, it's cool. The whole point of this thread is nothing more than a little mid day, friendly pissing match. It is not really about the SS line-up, more about the SS is king versus the Z28 is king Camaro camps. FWIW, I think the 1970 LS-6 Chevelle is one of the penultimate muscle cars ever built! :bow:

I got ya, and agree about the LS6...definatly a king among paupers. And sorry to say, I have to stick with the Z as the top camaro...for obiouous reasons:D

If you really wanna go there, no Z28 was ever a V6. There were V6 SS Impala's and Nova's in the begining LOL. How about 4 door Chevelle SS's? What about todays FWD V6 SS's? Are all those 8MPG 14sec 396 SS Camaros (not the L78, which was rare) still impressive today? ;) I'll tell you what is though, a 302 with more HP that uses the last 3/4's of the tach up and was the best handling/braking musclecar of it's time. (much like IROC-Z's, ironically they did real nice in the later Players Challenge series too) Also, those LS6 cars only got low 13's. :)

Yep, and the Z/28 sure kept Trans Am racing right up there at the top.

IIRC, the Z28 still has the best record for wins in a season in Trans Am, and there was also a pretty known Z28 that did some good stuff in drag racing too. ;)

Eh! :shrug:

I'm just so tired of reading posts from people who dont know their ass from a handbasket. Use accuruate info, find accurate info, or base your post as a question if you dont know what your talking about. If it was sarchasim, I definatly took it literally...my bad. Sorry guys, ignorance gets under my skin when it comes to my cars.

Fry

Yes it was sarcasm - but it's all good! :D

Well I actually agree with you there.....

Just had to add some thing to the SS Malibu…….

How bout we switch out Cobalt SS in my last comment and say FWD Impy SS

Those Impy's go pretty good (low low 14s). If they could just switch it to RWD it would be perfect. :eek:

The one SS I don't care too much for though is the Malibu wagon one. That's pretty ridiculous.

I got ya, and agree about the LS6...definatly a king among paupers. And sorry to say, I have to stick with the Z as the top camaro...for obiouous reasons:D


LOL TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!:D

If they build the SS with an LS7 and the Z28 is mid level.....my title and the emblems on the side of my car wont agree about 5 minutes after delivery :D

hello all,

i don't know where you guys are getting this info from.

i don't get this whole SS vs. Z/28 thing.......



















when we all know it should be Berlinetta vs. LT!!!!!!!

now those are some top dog quality cars right there.
















p.s.-:p

billy, we have discussed this at length before, and frankly I am getting a little lissed off at everyones denseness here...........


















We all KNOW CAMARO GT will be the top model! :p ;)

hello all,

i don't know where you guys are getting this info from.

i don't get this whole SS vs. Z/28 thing.......

when we all know it should be Berlinetta vs. LT!!!!!!!

now those are some top dog quality cars right there.

p.s.-:p

:metal: Berlinetta :usa:

We all KNOW CAMARO GT will be the top model! :p ;)


:lol: you better pray Scott doesn't see that or he'll revoke you're Camaro buying privelage card you were issued when you became a member here :p

one more little thing
















this is the best thread yet since the unveiling :bow: :cz28:

I just want an Z06-like version of the Camaro... no matter what you call it. :p

I just want an Z06-like version of the Camaro... no matter what you call it. :p


And I think everyone, no matter their preference on the designation, can get behind that wish!

I just want an Z06-like version of the Camaro... no matter what you call it. :p


although i do completely agree................





rational thinking like that has no place in this thread ;) :p















now back to more important matters:

regardless of wether the Berlinetta or LT becomes top dog, what should be the top engine: supercharged ecotech or turbocharged ecotech????????

although i do completely agree................

rational thinking like that has no place in this thread ;) :p

now back to more important matters:

regardless of wether the Berlinetta or LT becomes top dog, what should be the top engine: supercharged ecotech or turbocharged ecotech????????

I vote for a turbo ecotec hybrid in the SS Camaro, and I vote they use the Z28 option on the top of the line HHR performance model. They should also have a V6 with a 150 shot of nawz as the top performing model, with a single exhaust outlet coming out of the left rear.

I vote for a turbo ecotec hybrid in the SS Camaro, and I vote they use the Z28 option on the top of the line HHR performance model. They should also have a V6 with a 150 shot of nawz as the top performing model, with a single exhaust outlet coming out of the left rear.


quite good points indeed.


now, how high should the wing be on the top model: 6,8, or 13 inches??????

I think the wing should be high enough that you can hang a swing from it. :bow:

It's obvious that I'm Ok with either as my username plainly states. lol

Very good and bad points on the topic from both sides.

I grew up in the era where it all started. Back then, we would get excited when the new model year would arrive. We couldn't wait to see the cosmetic changes & powertrains the new model year would bring. Now they all basically look the same from year to year. For example, other than wheels, park a '98 Camaro beside an '02 and tell me which is which.

My sister dated her future husband who had a '63 Impala SS 327-300 hp and traded it in on a brand new '65 SS-396 Impala 4-speed red on red. It was the first 4-speed I'd ever ridden in. Then, my other friends had the Impalas with the 283 & powerglide. As a pre-teen, I was embarassed and wondered why Chev even bothered.

As far as the Z-28, I can only remember seeing one (1) '67. There were plenty '69 Z's running around and were admired by just about everybody. They were considered a hi-revving, noisey lifter, crazy handling & mysterious car. If you caught one out on the road, you had better hope the road was straight, otherwise you'd get your feelings hurt. 290 hp...yeah right. lol

The L-79's & L-78's were quicker...depending on driver. I saw plenty L-78 Novas and Chevelles but don't remember seeing them in Camaros. You could buy a stripper L-78 Nova SS for $2,800.

As far as the LS6 Chevelles running low 13's? It really depended on driver too. I saw a new one run 15's at a dragstrip. Of course, he was smoking the F-70's halfway down the track. Put F-70x14 bias-ply tires on the LS1 Camaros and see what kind of times they'd run. Remember, the LS6 Chevelle had 500 lf-lb torque...not a good package for F70 tires.

I bought my SS just to have a more exclusive car...not to smirk at the Z-28 owners. I know where the car's origin comes from. Of course, I don't see SS owners taking the badges off and putting on Z-28 emblems, but I do see Z-28 guys try and turn their Z's into SS's. I consider my car a Z-28 with the SS option package. I mainly get criticized by the SS guys for doing so.