Interesting posts on the FastLane Blog...

Did anyone notice the F4 and F3 styling defenders?

There were a few of them, which I found to be quite a surprise...



Oh yeah, by my informal survey methods on the blog the SS is MURDERING the Z28 as top dog choice.

Heh.

People hate change.....most hated the 2nd gens, the 3rd gens, the 4th gens back in 1993.....and again the 1998 revision......but of course most people are idiots.

As far as the SS vs Z/28 thing....remember a wise man once said "Any Chevy can be an SS....but only the Camaro can be a Z/28." ;)

:lol: wow, it only took 2 posts to turn this into a Z/28 vs. SS thread.




we're finally getting to the important stuff right away :p ;)

People hate change.....most hated the 2nd gens, the 3rd gens, the 4th gens back in 1993.....and again the 1998 revision......but of course most people are idiots.

Good point.


As far as the SS vs Z/28 thing....remember a wise man once said "Any Chevy can be an SS....but only the Camaro can be a Z/28." ;)

And as an even wiser man said - only a Beretta can be a Z26.


The most important people are speaking... those that talk with their pocketbooks. Heh.

And as the man with the most wisdom once said..."There can only be two ZL1s, Corvette and Camaro." Sorry but there has never been a single designation for the car that another hasn't had. Z28 yea but their have been Z34, Z24, Z26, Z06.

You may have a Z06, Z24, Z26, Z28, Z34, Z71, ZR-2, ZR-5 blah blah...but they are representative of one model. Everything has an SS now.....SS this, SS that.....come on, someone justify why there is an SS version of the Malibu and such....I'm still waiting for the Aveo SS, I know it's coming. :lol:

Im not saying that it should be SS or Z28 as top dog im just saying that GM has history whether it be good or bad behind almost every car and name they have. SRT is a new designation for DCX but they had it on a neon up to a viper. Its just the way things work now. I personally don't care what they call it other after they put the Camaro badges on it as long as it kicks some a** like we all expect it to.

Only an Camaro can be an IROC-Z?

Only an Camaro can be an IROC-Z?

Or a Berlinetta...

I still like "Berlinetta", BTW...

Be a nice name for a 275hp V6, 6spd, performance suspension, big tires, big brakes, fully optioned car with nav and seat heaters and such...

...read....sig...

...read....sig...

Which is truly baffling...

You want an SS in '09, but then type in the z28 drivel...

Errr...

I'm confused.

Which is truly baffling...

You want an SS in '09, but then type in the z28 drivel...

Errr...

I'm confused.

I want a vert....

I want the Z28 to be the Z06 of Camaro’s....

I don’t want the top performing; I want the look cool go fast car.

You should be able to figure out the rest...

Only an Camaro can be an IROC-Z?

Actually Dodge (I think) owns rights to the IROC name because they were the most cureent to sponsor the race series.

So GM can't make anymore IROC's sadly.

The SS can be the most expensive "top" camaro. The Z/28 needs to be the most dedicated performer...the most extreme...

...It needs to be more than "the middle model."

Did anyone notice the F4 and F3 styling defenders?

There were a few of them, which I found to be quite a surprise...



Oh yeah, by my informal survey methods on the blog the SS is MURDERING the Z28 as top dog choice.

Heh.Which survey is that?

Or a Berlinetta...

I still like "Berlinetta", BTW...

Be a nice name for a 275hp V6, 6spd, performance suspension, big tires, big brakes, fully optioned car with nav and seat heaters and such...

Actually I do too.

The SS can be the most expensive "top" camaro. The Z/28 needs to be the most dedicated performer...the most extreme...

...It needs to be more than "the middle model."


While I see what your saying and can somewhat agree with it, I think these days for top performance you pay top dollar.

Actually I do too.

Maybe because Berlinetta is a bit before my time or because its not one of the most well remembered Camaros but I just don’t like the idea of using this name on the 5th gen.

RS SS & Z28 is enough for me

Anyone notice the 3 motors quote from Bob?

Maybe because Berlinetta is a bit before my time or because its not one of the most well remembered Camaros but I just don’t like the idea of using this name on the 5th gen.

RS SS & Z28 is enough for me

Oh, don't get me wrong... I wouldn't cry if there were no Berlinetta. But I have absolutely no problem with a properly executed one either.

just make mine a RS/SS Z/28 with the V6 and slushomatic......

Anyone notice the 3 motors quote from Bob?

I did.....no way to tell which motors though....

Oh, don't get me wrong... I wouldn't cry if there were no Berlinetta. But I have absolutely no problem with a properly executed one either.

I actually don’t know much about them….what exactly was the purpose of this model?

High end base model?

Or a Berlinetta...

I still like "Berlinetta", BTW...

Be a nice name for a 275hp V6, 6spd, performance suspension, big tires, big brakes, fully optioned car with nav and seat heaters and such...
"Berlinetta" always meant "chick car" to me: V6 engines, tuned to be cushy, and not a lot of performance. Probably not needed for the F5.

I think we'll do fine with a base Camaro; Z28 with a V8; and SS with the hi-po V8.

Anyone notice the 3 motors quote from Bob?


i've been mulling over that since before.

if i had to interpret good ol' Mr. Lutz, i'd say V6/mid level V8/top model V8..........















but.....................















then i see my sig and start wondering..............................

As far as the SS vs Z/28 thing....remember a wise man once said "Any Chevy can be an SS....but only the Camaro can be a Z/28." ;)

That is just beautiful. :thumb:

The most important people are speaking... those that talk with their pocketbooks. Heh.

All the Mustang Cobra owners spoke with their pocketbooks, and now we have a GT500 instead.

All the Mustang Cobra owners spoke with their pocketbooks, and now we have a GT500 instead.

And regarding all those pocketbooks....

Camaro's been on vacation since 2002.

Did anyone notice the F4 and F3 styling defenders?

On another note, I really do hope we see at least some F3 and F4 styling elements in the real production car. At this point I don't expect it to be much, but something would be better than nothing, as long as it is done well.

On another note, I really do hope we see at least some F3 and F4 styling elements in the real production car. At this point I don't expect it to be much, but something would be better than nothing, as long as it is done well.

I actually see alot of 3rd gen elements in the concept.

Did anyone notice the F4 and F3 styling defenders?

There were a few of them, which I found to be quite a surprise...


Yeah, I noticed them...I should have been one of them as well. Probably stems from Lutz's comments about how "the later Camaros, especially the last of them, deviated too far from what Camaro always was." I kind of took offense to that. The 2002 Camaro was the low slung GT-style coupe the 1970 1/2 was. :confused:

I actually see alot of 3rd gen elements in the concept.

Yeah, but they don't really jump out at you at all. At least, not to me. I would like to be able to see at least some influence of the late models in the 5th gen, without having to nitpick the hell out of it to see them.

Yeah, but they don't really jump out at you at all. At least, not to me. I would like to be able to see at least some influence of the late models in the 5th gen, without having to nitpick the hell out of it to see them.


maybe they are easier to see in person.

guess you'll have to wait til it hits NY to find out ;)

maybe they are easier to see in person.

guess you'll have to wait til it hits NY to find out ;)

Maybe I will.:)

I'd hope Chevy/GM realizes the power of the Z28 name over SS on the Camaro by now and what most enthusiats are looking for again, that return to the top and to greatness for the Z Camaro. They only had a T/A Z28, a real Z28, and an SS with Z28 stripes at the unveiling. ;) (and a ZL1)

We know Chevy/GM realizes the power of the SS name over Z28 on the Camaro by now, since they have all those buyers from 1998-2002 who forked over real money for one.

There.

Fixed it for you.

Thread HI-JACK!!

Hey Danno....WTF were you at Detroit??!?...

Of all the poeple I wanted to meet, you were one of them!

There.

Fixed it for you.

Did you happen to poll the the folks with the SSOA shirts at the unveil? We're the ones that forked out the "big bucks" for the 4th gen SS. I think you'd be surprised by how strong the support for a Z28 "track special" is.

:lol: wow, it only took 2 posts to turn this into a Z/28 vs. SS thread.
Uhhhh... Actually the thread was about that to begin with. :p

There.

Fixed it for you.

What about all the people who payed for top model Z28's for 28 out of those 35 years???? WHO cares what happened in the 4th Gen?! It's done. The formula DIDN'T work, the cars barely sold, the public didn't care about them, they were the most unpopular Camaros ever. It's laughable and terrible at the same time. The ONLY reason SS's sold is because the Z28 was made to look like a bargain base car with a V8 and it was so plain and boring compared to the SS that no one wanted it.

The SS name doesn't have 1/10 of the following the Z28 does on a Camaro. Calling the 4th Gen SS that was a mistake. All of those things should have went to the Z28, especially since SS's got what all Z28's before were known for. It was just another marketing ploy to try and get some sales and bring back a name, but the mistake was made when they didn't realize what they were doing to the Z28's name and how people would react when they really thought about it, there have been revisionist remarks and arguements all over the place for years now. I don't understand WHY anyone would ever want the top car to have a name that all other regular (key word right there) Chevys have and a name that was mostly associated with slow 350 cars from 67-73 besides the occasional big block, over the Camaro-specific name of a true performer right from the start that the Z28 always was. It is the racer, the handler, the braker, the one with distinct looks, the one that went racing and won, the name that stayed with it always, it IS the Camaro legend, not the SS. That's what a top car is. So what if the SS had big blocks, the only one that could hold off a Z28 in a straight line was the L78 and they were rare. SS's never got the Corvette stuff the Z28 got either like the LT1, wheels, etc., (pre 4th Gen) and wasn't advertised as the closest thing to a Corvette either. I know people that won't buy a 5th Gen based on the Z28 principal alone if what they did is not corrected, I know of no one that feels that way about the SS. Why is that, oh yeah, because the Z is MORE important to the car.

In 1969, a Camaro in "SS" trim was RPO-Z27...
I guess that settles which is top dog in GM's eyes. ;)

"Berlinetta" always meant "chick car" to me: V6 engines, tuned to be cushy, and not a lot of performance. Probably not needed for the F5.

I think we'll do fine with a base Camaro; Z28 with a V8; and SS with the hi-po V8.

Berlinetta meant "chick" version to me as well. Exterior styling was at the bottom. Usually, they came in weird colors, such as brown and tan. No ground effects. 1950s high profile tires.

Personally, I never cared for the Berlinetta looks or name. But to each their own. They sold very well, and particularly during the very popular 3rd generation lineup.

Yeah, I noticed them...I should have been one of them as well. Probably stems from Lutz's comments about how "the later Camaros, especially the last of them, deviated too far from what Camaro always was." I kind of took offense to that. The 2002 Camaro was the low slung GT-style coupe the 1970 1/2 was. :confused:

And lets not forget that the 3rd gen won a huge amount of awards - both domestically *AND* over seas.

When is the last time an American made car was called "The most beautiful car made" by European press? Even the '06 Z06 was trashed by British media.

All B.L. is doing is making excuses for the 1st Gen retroness of this car. Notice how it's only being associated with 1st Gens and they haven't shown ANY OTHER Gen of the car at the show or in the intro video? Not even a mention, because they must do what the M*stang and Dodge does. I find it somewhat offensive and I think if they do people will just realize that IROC-Z's were the nicest Camaros again and ask for a retro 3rd Gen. ;) They already know how the public recognizes Third Gen's and IROC-Z's as the ultimate Camaro's due to their own polls and surveys. :D

The 2nd Gen was the lowest, widest, and biggest car of all. Thirds were a tiny bit higher and more 1st Gen sized, except more raked. 4ths became big again, got slightly higher, but the rake and design went over the top. I feel like they're going for a mix of 1st and Third Gen in the feel and design of this car. It's just that the 1st Gen out weighs the 3rd in it so much. I guess they just can't be leaders and make a new looking design with cues from many different models/Gens of the car. They should stop trying to include Cadillac and Corvette in it's looks also, it's a Camaro.

In 1969, a Camaro in "SS" trim was RPO-Z27...
I guess that settles which is top dog in GM's eyes. ;)


:bow: :bow: :bow:

In 1969, a Camaro in "SS" trim was RPO-Z27...
I guess that settles which is top dog in GM's eyes. ;)

Just out of curiosity, which one came first? ;)
Another thing to think about.. Do you think the Z71 Chevy truck has a higher priority than the Z27 (SS) and Z/28 COMBINED :eek: :D

Actually Dodge (I think) owns rights to the IROC name because they were the most cureent to sponsor the race series.

So GM can't make anymore IROC's sadly.

Ironically, didn't they last use Firebirds? I should say, they still use them...

Did you happen to poll the the folks with the SSOA shirts...? I think you'd be surprised by how strong the support for a Z28 "track special" is.


Hear, hear on that. We'd love to see a Z28 destined for the track.

For those of you not familiar with the SSOA, We wore our white, SSOA shirts at the Heritage Center reception, and were wearing black CAMARO polos at the unveiling.

Id just like to say that if you are talking to a group of random people and they ask you what you drive and you say, "Oh I drive an SS" the people are either not going to know what you are talking about or are going to ask you which SS in the Chevy lineup you drive. HOWEVER, if you instead say, "Oh, I drive a Z28" there will be a small murmur and visions of beautiful Camaros on the track and on the street will dance through their heads. EVERYONE associates Z28 with Camaro, SS is only associated with Chevrolet. IMO, Z28 needs to be the TOP PERFORMING MODEL, not necessarily the most expensive.

Id just like to say that if you are talking to a group of random people and they ask you what you drive and you say, "Oh I drive an SS" the people are either not going to know what you are talking about or are going to ask you which SS in the Chevy lineup you drive. HOWEVER, if you instead say, "Oh, I drive a Z28" there will be a small murmur and visions of beautiful Camaros on the track and on the street will dance through their heads. EVERYONE associates Z28 with Camaro, SS is only associated with Chevrolet. IMO, Z28 needs to be the TOP PERFORMING MODEL, not necessarily the most expensive.

you can't tell them you drive a Camaro SS and leave them with two visions of speed and grandeur? Is it really that hard to say "Camaro"???
Some people still would have no clue what you're talking about when you just tell them it's a Z/28.

Some people still would have no clue what you're talking about when you just tell them it's a Z/28.

:p
Those people shouldn’t be in a discussion about cars in the first place then....

you can't tell them you drive a Camaro SS and leave them with two visions of speed and grandeur? Is it really that hard to say "Camaro"???
Some people still would have no clue what you're talking about when you just tell them it's a Z/28.
I was just kinda kidding, but seriously, alot more people know what a Z28 is or at least WAS originally and I think that should again be associated with the new Camaro with the Z28 being the performer and if for some reason its not the top performer, then it should only be outdone by a ZL1...

Just out of curiosity, which one came first? ;)
Another thing to think about.. Do you think the Z71 Chevy truck has a higher priority than the Z27 (SS) and Z/28 COMBINED :eek: :D

The Rally Sport was first as RPO-Z22...

so I guess the RS is really the top dog then. :rolleyes:

All stupid ****ing pointless nostalgia for the SS being the best performing Camaro. :rolleyes:

I corrected your post for you. ;)

All stupid ****ing pointless nostalgia for the Z/28 being the best performing Camaro. :rolleyes:

Z/28 is a performance model only associated with Camaro. Just like Z06 is with the Corvette. For those wanting an SS, hope you're more than willing in having top dawg Camaro wearing the same badge as the top dawg Aveo. And HHR.

And the 4th gen SS's seriously dont count in this case, it was a package from SLP that made them happen. All it was was a doctored up Z/28.....for a whole lot more money.....

RS isn't associated with any other model is it? Maybe it should be top model.

Should Viper owners feel cheated by SRT-4's?
Isnt the Viper an SRT-10, not an SRT-4?

The Rally Sport was first as RPO-Z22...

so I guess the RS is really the top dog then. :rolleyes::bow: :bow: :bow:
And for the record my first maro was an RS:D

But I will agree on the one fact that you look at a lot of chvey cars and they have SS in them. I went to their website yesterday, there was a Monte Carlo SS, Impala SS, Cobalt SS, etc. So I think the new Camaro should be something that makes it stand out among all these SS models/wannabes.;) :D

That's my point. A NEON has an SRT designation.
But its not the exact same designation. If Chevy decided to designate the Cobalt SS the Cobalt SS4 and the Impala SS the Impala SS8 or something along those lines, then it might be a different story. But there is no differentiation between different SS models as far as the SS designation is concerned.

I'm still waiting for them to build Tahoe SS and Aveo SS. :D