Camaro puts Challenger in the dark; Challenger gets NO mention whatsoever...

Has anyone noticed that the past few days there's been little to no mention what-so-ever of the Challenger? I watched the news tonight (being here in Detroit, there's heavy coverage of the auto show), and I saw one glimpse of the Challenger and the rest was all about the Camaro tonight. Heck, the local channel 7 news station, WXYZ, has a commercial they showed with a brief clip of the unveiling and one of the newscasters talking about the engine and how great it is. The Camaro sure took the spotlight! :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

Well, the Challenger has had it's day already by being released a week or two ago. It has been in every major automove publication, often on the cover, so it has had it's share of press. What it didn't have was a big, grand unvailing since they choose to release the info to the press ahead of the auto show.

It looks so bland compared to this Camaro.

Challenger is nice, but the camaro is beautiful.

I feel bad because the Challenger actually does look like an amazing looking car. They're both gorgeous; it's just the Camaro is much nicer.

Maybe that is why they leaked the Challenger before the show.

I feel bad because the Challenger actually does look like an amazing looking car. They're both gorgeous; it's just the Camaro is much nicer.
Maybe it's the fact that the Challenger looks the exact same as a 70s one. Camaro actually DOES something innovative and moves atleast a little forward in design.

It looks so bland compared to this Camaro.
You have got to be kidding.

The Challenger was very badass. It looked MUCH more production ready than the Camaro.

But this is no ponycar. :no: No sir. It's a fullsized coupe. But it looked awesome. It was funny, between the Camaro and Challenger....the GT500 almost looked frumpy.

You have got to be kidding.
You mad, man. Compare the two side by side. The Camaro has way more lines than the Challenger.
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That is bland compared to this.
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ONE IS DULL AS LEAD, THE OTHER IS A LEAD BULLET!

I don't think so.But,that is my opinion.The Camaro just doesn't do it for me.I hope the production model looks better,for GM'S sake.If it makes it that far.

You mad, man. Compare the two side by side. The Camaro has way more lines than the Challenger.
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That is bland compared to this.
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ONE IS DULL AS LEAD, THE OTHER IS A LEAD BULLET!


the Challenger looks like something you'd see in an old Playstation game from the back.

I like them both quite a bit.

Nope.The challenger wins.But,I really don't care,3 more weeks.

The Challenger looks old and stale to me already

I feel the same about the Camaro.

I'm liking the Challenger less as time goes on, however on other non-car related boards I've been reading (mainly gun boards) when presented with both alot of people thought this Camaro was ugly (probably dislike Camaros anyway, was a large vibe I was feeling...) but most liked the Challenger. I think alot of that would change when people realize how much bigger the Challenger looks and will likely feel in person compared to the Stang and Camaro...

Who knows, I personally think the rear of the Challenger kinda sucks, maybe it's just the huge one piece light setup... It's size has put me off somewhat. I think Dodge will sell all they feel like building though. Will GM hit 100k+ Camaros? Hope so but damn that seems like alot (didn't used to be, oh well...)

I liked the Challenger untill I realized how big it is. Sory Dodge, Chevy's gettin my money this time.

I don't think so.But,that is my opinion.The Camaro just doesn't do it for me.I hope the production model looks better,for GM'S sake.If it makes it that far.

you talk like GM will fail miserably if they dont make the Camaro to fit your opinion..

Challenger's light bar probably won't make production, IMO, but it achieved what the designers wanted. It looks like the old one, but better.

Camaro--looks like it is struggling to find an identity between new and old. It is a pretty car, but it doesnt flow--yet. Room for improvement--yes. Am I excited as hell to see a new Camaro? hell yes. I'd buy it looking EXACTLY like it does right now.

:bow: Its funny b/c I used to think the new Mustang looked halfway decent... then I saw the Challenger and fell in love with it... then I saw the unveiling of the new Camaro, needless to say that was it for me. GM i think you really have a winner, the sooner you put it into production the better.:bow:

I agree, the challenger looks pretty cool...but to me it looks like a '70 thats been in a custom shop..it looks TOO much like the old I think! the camaro looks alot like the old but there is enough difference to me! I love it!

prohunter4, If you dont like the Camaro, can you please go somewhere else? Im tired of you already. If you dont like it, dont buy it. If you like the dodge so much, go to the dodge site and talk about it. We heard you here already, now you have nothing else to say, except what we've already heard from you. Its not needed anymore.

prohunter4, If you dont like the Camaro, can you please go somewhere else? Im tired of you already. If you dont like it, dont buy it. If you like the dodge so much, go to the dodge site and talk about it. We heard you here already, now you have nothing else to say, except what we've already heard from you. Its not needed anymore.

Are you kidding? I have an idea, lets get rid of everyone who isn't totally in love with the concept. Guess what, I don't really like it either and I have been here much longer than you an I bet that I am a bigger Camaro fan than you(if you want to go that route) and if I want to express my dissapointment about the concept, I will. Don't be pissed at others because they don't fall in line with how you are thinking.

prohunter4, If you dont like the Camaro, can you please go somewhere else? Im tired of you already. If you dont like it, dont buy it. If you like the dodge so much, go to the dodge site and talk about it. We heard you here already, now you have nothing else to say, except what we've already heard from you. Its not needed anymore.


There are alot ofans of other cars on this site. I love the challanger concept to. People can have whatever feeling they want. Lay off the guy.

I'm brand loyal--but not to the extent where I think everything else sucks. The Challenger looks nice IMO--but I still prefer a GM product because I know more about them, and I'm used to them.

I still like the Challenger concept the most.

The key word is concept though.

When I look at the Challenger concept and the Camaro concept in my minds eye I compair them to the Mustang concept, not the production car.

As concepts go, and until I see them in real life I personally rank the Challenger 1st, the 'maro is sorta tied with the stang.

I am out of step with alot of people...I like the production stang better than the concept.

I hope I will feel the same about the Camaro.

As it stands right now I like the production Mustang better than the Camaro and I am pretty sure I like the Challenger the most.

Seeing all three in real life could change my point of view.

I just can't wait for the day all three production versions go head to head in the mags and I can make my final decision on which one I am going to buy.:)

Are you kidding? I have an idea, lets get rid of everyone who isn't totally in love with the concept. Guess what, I don't really like it either and I have been here much longer than you an I bet that I am a bigger Camaro fan than you(if you want to go that route) and if I want to express my dissapointment about the concept, I will. Don't be pissed at others because they don't fall in line with how you are thinking.

Well spoken.

I am still undecided on the concept.

Well, the Challenger has had it's day already by being released a week or two ago. It has been in every major automove publication, often on the cover, so it has had it's share of press. What it didn't have was a big, grand unvailing since they choose to release the info to the press ahead of the auto show.


Agree 100%.

Are you kidding? I have an idea, lets get rid of everyone who isn't totally in love with the concept.

OK, sounds good!;)

But seriously, constructive criticism is a good thing, and people are definitely allowed to vent their displeasure. However, I think the people who say, looks like ass, etc (not you, but there are others) should be at least articulate in their criticisms.

I agree with Recon. The poster he was referring to was blatantly reposting his same opinion of how he doesn't like it and not offering anything to the discussion other than "I like the Challenger better". While we want diverse opinions, reposting the same thing in the same thread multiple times over gets old.

when i see the challenger two things come into my mind: 'which old tv show did they steal that from?', and 'boat'. the camaro is actually something new, and it's not unnecessarily large. that is why the camaro has a better chance of surviving and thriving, and prolly some of why the camaro is a bigger thing in the news now.

The Challenger was very badass. It looked MUCH more production ready than the Camaro.

But this is no ponycar. :no: No sir. It's a fullsized coupe. But it looked awesome. It was funny, between the Camaro and Challenger....the GT500 almost looked frumpy.

You know, that's 100% true! :think:

I went to see the Shelby, sat in the convertible. The car has far more horses than either of the 2. Yet the Camaro & Challenger are getting all the press.

You're right, the Challenger looked production unless you got up very close and looked at the details. Camaro was metal, but it didn't take much to see it wasn't ready for prime time.

I think Challenger is pretty awesome as well.

Concept versus concept, like the Challenger lines better, retro or not. Waiting begins again for production versions though. Exciting times!

I went to see the Shelby, sat in the convertible. The car has far more horses than either of the 2. Yet the Camaro & Challenger are getting all the press.

Hopefully the car will a flop! I say this not because I want to the see the Shelby fail, rather I'd like to find one for a good deal. On another note, I hear that somebody misqouted pricing and that the coupe will indeed come under 40k

I should hedge my bets! Lets see? cast iron block, solid rear axle, unpainted mirrors, small displacement, heavy weight...so many weapons so little time!

however back on topic. Glad to see the 'maro was well recieved hopefully this will spur Ford on!.

Dodge should have painted the Challenger in a Confederate flag configuration, a retro General Lee. Sure as I am breathing if it goes into production their is someone around here who has already thought of that.

Challenger looks good from the front and sides, but the rear looks just like the butt ugly Challenger from the seventies.

Like the Camaro, but hope some things are changed if it makes it into production. Minor cosmetics!

Dodge should have painted the Challenger in a Confederate flag configuration, a retro General Lee.

They wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole, DCX considers the G. Lee to be offensive

They wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole, DCX considers the G. Lee to be offensive

But they painted it in the same orange as the General.

They want that connection.

I conceed, good point. If produced I wonder how long it will take before a challenger becomes the weapon of choice in Nascar (modifed in nascar competion friendly aero-blob of course) Seems like an natural progression. HEMI+NASCAR+Challenger= lots of drooling among those bearing a pasty white chest and well tanned arms/necks.

You know what, bad part on dodge. They f'd everyone on that piece of crap they now call a charger, and they were almost succesful on the launch of another Iconic car. They don't understand the power of the Camaro addicts, we havent seen the challenger in decades, but it wasnt to long ago our babies were rollin off the line. Good try by dodge, but come back next year.

I conceed, good point. If produced I wonder how long it will take before a challenger becomes the weapon of choice in Nascar (modifed in nascar competion friendly aero-blob of course) Seems like an natural progression. HEMI+NASCAR+Challenger= lots of drooling among those bearing a pasty white chest and well tanned arms/necks.


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Are you kidding? I have an idea, lets get rid of everyone who isn't totally in love with the concept. Guess what, I don't really like it either and I have been here much longer than you an I bet that I am a bigger Camaro fan than you(if you want to go that route) and if I want to express my dissapointment about the concept, I will. Don't be pissed at others because they don't fall in line with how you are thinking.
Ok, dont be a moron. I never said any who doesnt like it needs to leave. That would be stupid. The way he posted in about 5 or 6 thread, about how it is crap and wont sell because he doesnt like it, and whatever else he said, was just retarded. ANd he said it over and over again... say it once and leave it. Let everyone else give opinions, and let them have their own opinion, and thats that. not tell everyone that their opinion is wrong because you said so. Theres no need for that. It is a Camaro board, why would you continue to gripe about it other than to cause a stir? Thats all he was trying to do. It irratated me. I simply said that if he wanted to discuss how much he doesnt like it, there are many places that he would be a lot more welcome. Such as other boards that arent Camaro boards. Its alright to have different views on things and discuss them, but not when you are going to act like he was. And as for you, I wasnt talking to you so shut your mouth! haha. Im JUST KIDDING. Sorry. lol. But I understand that people will have different opinions of things, and Im ope to them discussing them. I just got tired of the way he was going about it. Go read his posts from that day. every one of them was repeating the same thing over and over, while he badmouthed what everyone was here to be happy about. Let me go to some girls birthday party and tell everyone what a slut she is. Thats just not nice.

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But they painted it in the same orange as the General.

They want that connection.


Its the first thing I thought of looking at that big orange box.

Its the first thing I thought of looking at that big orange box.
That's a good thing 'cause the General Lee was a bad a$$ car also.

That's a good thing 'cause the General Lee was a bad a$$ car also.


Yeah it was good for its time..but as alot of ppl have said the new Challenger is nothing more than a photocopy.

What's so new about the Camaro.It looks awfully retro to me, so what's the difference.There isn't. Some people would have liked it if it was made to look like a dog turd.Sometimes loyalty can be a bad thing,it can blind you to bad stuff.GM is way behind on the take a chance curve.Look how long it took them with the SSR.They need to take more chances and they will get back to selling more cars instead of worrying about where they will be in 2 years.Just one mans opinion.

What's so new about the Camaro.It looks awfully retro to me, so what's the difference.There isn't. Some people would have liked it if it was made to look like a dog turd.Sometimes loyalty can be a bad thing,it can blind you to bad stuff.GM is way behind on the take a chance curve.Look how long it took them with the SSR.They need to take more chances and they will get back to selling more cars instead of worrying about where they will be in 2 years.Just one mans opinion.


If you can't see the difference between a straight up lift of two earlier designs, the challenger, and a retro ish car, the camaro, you might need to have the doc cut back on some of the pain pills. :p

:D not.

What's so new about the Camaro.It looks awfully retro to me, so what's the difference.There isn't. Some people would have liked it if it was made to look like a dog turd.Sometimes loyalty can be a bad thing,it can blind you to bad stuff.GM is way behind on the take a chance curve.Look how long it took them with the SSR.They need to take more chances and they will get back to selling more cars instead of worrying about where they will be in 2 years.Just one mans opinion.

Yes, let's scapegoat brand/car loyalty for the popularity of the concept Camaro among enthusiasts. And while we're at it, let's dig up the "GM is behind the curve" rhetoric all over again. You're a perfect example of the fact that GM can't win them all.

And how could you NOT see what's new with this Camaro? Funny how you say that about the Camaro despite your preference for an almost-complete design carryover on the Challenger. :rolleyes:

Hey to each their own. I happen to like them both, quite a great deal, so I took the easy road, and have decided to buy one of each!

GM is behind the curve.All you have to do is drive through a GM lot to see that.

Are you kidding? I have an idea, lets get rid of everyone who isn't totally in love with the concept. Guess what, I don't really like it either and I have been here much longer than you an I bet that I am a bigger Camaro fan than you(if you want to go that route) and if I want to express my dissapointment about the concept, I will. Don't be pissed at others because they don't fall in line with how you are thinking.
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Well.. that was easy :p

You know, that's 100% true! :think:

I went to see the Shelby, sat in the convertible. The car has far more horses than either of the 2. Yet the Camaro & Challenger are getting all the press.

You're right, the Challenger looked production unless you got up very close and looked at the details. Camaro was metal, but it didn't take much to see it wasn't ready for prime time.

I think Challenger is pretty awesome as well.

They were getting the press because the Shelby has been well known for a while now, the Camaro and Challenger are brand new. The press will gather where the new news is.