What Models Would You Like For The 5th Gen Camaro?

I haven't seen a post about what models everyone would like to see yet. In my opinon, the more models, the better, because different cars suite different people. I would like to see....

Base Camaro: Supercharged V6 (300-315 HP) Import competitor.

Camaro RS: 5.3L V8 (325-345 HP) Fancy exterior with a kick, but still effiecent and awesome gas mileage, for those who want added style and some power.

Camaro Z28: LS2 V8 (400-415 HP) The legendary Z, that will compete with the Mustang, GTO, Charger, Challenger? And about everything else.

Camaro SS: LS2 V8 with Forced Induction, or tuned down LS7 (435-475 HP) The high end model, for those who want the fastest from the factory.

I doubt they will bring the RS back, but the base Camaro needs to be powerful enough to compete with the imports such as the Evo and WRX. The Z and or SS also need to be able to compete if not stomp, the GTO, Mustang, and whatever Dodge is throwing around. I think the key is building a model of Camaro for everyone, that is affordable, with the looks and performance people come to expect out of the Camaro Nameplate.

I think they should make the berlinetta option with all the luxury options and the option of a supercharged v6 or a 5.3 v8

I haven't seen a post about what models everyone would like to see yet. In my opinon, the more models, the better, because different cars suite different people. I would like to see....

Base Camaro: Supercharged V6 (300-315 HP) Import competitor.

Camaro RS: 5.3L V8 (325-345 HP) Fancy exterior with a kick, but still effiecent and awesome gas mileage, for those who want added style and some power.

Camaro Z28: LS2 V8 (400-415 HP) The legendary Z, that will compete with the Mustang, GTO, Charger, Challenger? And about everything else.

Camaro SS: LS2 V8 with Forced Induction, or tuned down LS7 (435-475 HP) The high end model, for those who want the fastest from the factory.

I doubt they will bring the RS back, but the base Camaro needs to be powerful enough to compete with the imports such as the Evo and WRX. The Z and or SS also need to be able to compete if not stomp, the GTO, Mustang, and whatever Dodge is throwing around. I think the key is building a model of Camaro for everyone, that is affordable, with the looks and performance people come to expect out of the Camaro Nameplate.

I like all of those options, except I don't think they would go with a blown V6 (although it would be cool) because I think they'd want to keep costs down.

Z28 will be the top Camaro.

I've talked about this so many times I almost have it memorized,

so I'm just going to post one of my old post and follow it up with a few comments,

everyone read carefully now.;)


Ok I’m going to try and reel everyone in one more time….. :D

First off don’t expect more than 3 engines total.
Keep in mind that 3 is pushing it too. It cost lots of money to certify each engine.

Even the 4th gen LS1 had to be certified twice for the SS and Z28.

Second, hp will not sell this car to the masses. Don’t even try to argue it.

Yes, I know…. around here performance is everything, but to the everyday person it doesn’t matter. Ford is selling thousands of GT’s with only 300hp.

Don’t expect the LS7, LS9, forced induction V6 or V8, blah, blah, blah ,or any kind of complex expensive hand built engine.

We keep complaining about cost of the over all car. It doesn’t make sense business wise to go spend millions certifying a motor that will only sell to enthusiast and won’t even sell that many units.

Once again only a few enthusiasts will spend just under $40k for a Camaro.

We all know we will have V6 base car, obviously the 3.9L seems to be the choice. 240 hp will be more than enough.

That leaves two more motors.

Realistically speaking who here thinks the average Joe need more than 350 hp on the street as a daily driver?

Shoot I don’t even think the average guy needs that much.

Yes I realize the competition with have a Challenger with 400+hp and a Mid range Mustang that will soon have probably around 325hp.

But realize this...... the Challenger will cost close to $35k to $40k.

We can have a 350hp midrange Camaro that easily beats the Challenger price and isnt that far away from its performace....and remember this is our mid level Camaro..

Then for just a few thousand dollars more this Midlevel SS can beat the 300 to 325 hp Mustang in both the twisties and the drag strip.

That’s why a 5.3L 350hp mid level SS makes sense. If you have to have an SS with more hp, I say let the LS2 be an option.

But give the LS2 to the Z28 as its only motor choice. I’d say a realistic estimate would be between 425 to 450 hp. But that’s maxed out.

There it is, 3 engines with a realistic outlook.

If you want more hp GM will be backing this cars aftermarket and so will everyone else.

Does anyone in here honestly plan on keeping their car stock anyway :D

I Know I’m not.

(Sorry for the long post, but it had to be said)

After saying that I think the V6 may get a bit more hp but don’t expect more than 255ish.

The Z28 will be the top dog in hp and performance

The SS is for the man who wants all the goodies along with the go fast V8

(NOT the top performer, the top optioned car)

As far as the base car goes I could possibly see a 5.3L option in it, I guess we could call it the RS, similar to the 3rd gen line up.

That said I bet the SS could option up form the 5.3L LS4 to the 6.0L LS2

Flame away, I'm ready:p

base 3.9 V6

RS supercharged 3.9 V6

SS 5.3 V8

Z28 6.0L LS2

ZL1 7.0L LS7

Z28 will be the top Camaro.

Why do people keep saying that? When has the Z28 ever had more power than an SS? Do I just not know Camaro history as well as I thought? :confused:

if i recall correctly, Z28 was originally a handling/road racing/suspension type package.. all the same engine options were available in both SS and Z28... i dont know

Why do people keep saying that? When has the Z28 ever had more power than an SS? Do I just not know Camaro history as well as I thought? :confused:

Let me do a search for you, we have beat this dead horse into dust.

;)

Let me do a search for you, we have beat this dead horse into dust.

;)

I usually post on LS2 so I guess I missed out on the Z28 vs SS battles. :)

first of all, your name is HOTCIVIC... better put that flame suit on or maybe you do whenever you're surrounded by your CIVIC.

Okay, sorry for the flame, flamer.

Being fast does not mean having more power. Just because an SS had more power in the past does not mean it was faster. Z28's were fire breathers and had an insane top end with a near if not exceeding a 7k redline.

What Models Would You Like For The 5th Gen Camaro?
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Adriana Lima in the passenger seat.

:D one of the best posts all day :bow:

I want a type lt to be brought back similar to the ws6 trans am pakage with tight road race suspension

I usually post on LS2 so I guess I missed out on the Z28 vs SS battles. :)



Yeah I can’t find an old thread...

But basically like Abidar put it...

The Z28 was the race car, the SS was the hot cruiser with all the options and a big motor.

And the Z28 name has also been on the side of Camaro’s many more years than SS has.

Further more any Chevrolet can be an SS...

Only a Camaro can be a Z28.

I think a lot of us here would like to see a Z06 like Camaro, so why call it anything else but Z28.
:D

Base Camaro - V6 , with a optional low dose V8 . Im sorry , but you just cannot argue with sales the low HP V8 mustangs and the insanely popular low hp 89-92 Camaro RS . Dont separate the models , simply put ...a V6 model with a optional 300 hp V8 .

Camaro SS - todays equivelent to a 4th gen Z28 , and the answer to Fords mid model Mach 1 . 350-375 hp V8 , with specific suspension and trim .

Camaro Z28 - Go get that GT500 :)

Camaro ZL1 - Not regular model . Ford will undoutably do another limited edition , bare bones Cobra R type model . Why not trump Ford on this one . Could Chevy snatch a couple hundred or less buyers for a stripped bare bones model , with a competition oriented suspension with a version of the LS7 .

I want a type lt to be brought back similar to the ws6 trans am pakage with tight road race suspension

I bet you get your wish with the Z28:D

Ideally, I'd say:

Base: 3.9L V6 (250/250)
RS: 3.9L V6 SC (300/300)
SS: 5.3L V8 (375/375)
Z/28: 6.0L V8 (425/425)
ZL1: (525/525)

However, I'm almost positive this isn't a logical line-up for production. Aftermarket though...? :)

Stefan nailed it. :D

first of all, your name is HOTCIVIC... better put that flame suit on or maybe you do whenever you're surrounded by your CIVIC.

Okay, sorry for the flame, flamer.


Was that really necessary? I don't own a Civic, and never have.

Thanks everyone else for the info.

Stefan nailed it. :D

:lol:

Now lets hope GM nails it too!
:cz28:

Was that really necessary? I don't own a Civic, and never have.

Thanks everyone else for the info.

Yeah it was necessary. Why in the world would you name yourself hotcivic then? I'm not fond of imports, especially Hondas, sorry to get on ur ass about it

I agree with the regulars, Z/28 top dog, SS for the mid-range. I'd also like to see RS used as well, maybe use it on a special v6 package similar to the Mustangs Pony package.

Yeah it was necessary. Why in the world would you name yourself hotcivic then? I'm not fond of imports, especially Hondas, sorry to get on ur ass about it

Actually when I created my name back on LS1.com a few years ago, there were tons of ricer trolls at the time talking about how their Civics and Integras could smoke SS Camaros. :rolleyes: So basically I was making fun of them, (see sig) and my name just stuck.

I'm not fond of imports either, and I really don't like Hondas.

I don't see the reason for a SC V6. The base Camaro needs to be accepted by people that do not care about performance and just want a nice, comfortable car to drive. This is the market where most Camaro sales will be made.

Camaro will do fine competing performance wise with a mid-30K Evo with its low-mid 30 K price tag and lots more HP. If somewants a turbo or SC engined car because they like the import scene they are going to buy a Cobalt SS. These are 2 completely different markets.

So with that I said this is what makes sense to me (but who the heck am I)...
3.9 V6
5.3 SS w/ option for LS2
6.0 Z28

Lutz did tease us on his internet bog today by stating the LS7 is avaiable for the Camaro if the need for it arises..So until it gets closer to 2009 anyone's guess is as good another.

The Z/28 was a 302 cu. in 290 hp vehicle. It had to be that to run in the races it ran. They were restricted i.e 302 Mustang. The SS was pure Muscle i.e. Baldwin Motion, Yenko, Berger. They were usually 396 or 427. They also had plenty 350's The Z/28 was always a 302 until the later years when they went to the 350. I don't think the ever put a 327 in the Z/28

Base model Camaro V6, w/ 5.3 option and since they're taking cues from the 60's the Z/28 should be the top model.

why not a version of the truck's 4.8L engine for a base model V8? if fuel mileage in a V8 is what you're after, what else does GM have to offer thats better?

probably been said.. but:

Coupe: 3.9L LZ8 240HP V6
RS: 5.3L LS4 303HP V8
SS: 6.0L LS2 400HP V8
Z/28: 7.0L LS7 505HP V8

i can dream cant i? i know GM hand builds the LS7s now.. they need to make an automated production line for those things stat :D

http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/naias_2006/0601_chevrolet_camaro_concept/

Insiders say that a $20,000 base model production car could use an inexpensive V-8 (the LS2 would come in a costlier model), so a V-6 version would be offered only to make the car easier to insure.

It would not be a bad thing if there was a GM performance parts supercharger kit for the base V6 however (or better yet turbo kit).

Realistically, I don't imagine GM having more than 3 major trim level choices. The "RS" would probably be an appearance package on top of the base level... maybe a different exhaust, differently tuned suspension.
I do feel that there should be both a Z/28 and SS although go back and forth on what should be "top dog"

Keeping with Chevy's theme and historical accuracy I'd have to give the title to the SS. As was previously stated, the Z/28 only came about because of TransAm regulations. They had a minimum production of 600 and a maximum displacement of 5.0L.
They created the Z/28 option package, and for an engine, they threw the 283 crank and a 327 block into a box, waved their magic wand and viola... out popped a 302. Repeat 602 times and you have a car that meets Trans Am regulation.

I feel that Chevy has always kept the SS at the top of the line. Although, If only one V8 coupe were to be made.. I'd have to call it a z/28

It would not be a bad thing if there was a GM performance parts supercharger kit for the base V6 however (or better yet turbo kit).

I think that would be a good marketing project for GM perfomace. It would only work if the base V6 is built to handle to power adder though.

I agree with the three models. But they should be seperated enough to spread the car over a big spectrum.

Camaro Base coupe: V6, 250 hp. Manual 5 speed (tremec) or auto

RS: 5.3L V8, 300-330 HP Manual 5 speed (Tremec) or auto (optioned as a stripper, maybe with a radio, to a Luxo-cruiser complete with Bun-warmers and 6 CD in dash changer, NAVI- etc)

Z28: 6.0- 6.2L 400-425 hp (Vette may have 450 by then, who knows?!?!)
6 speed manual, or auto

SS: 6.0-6.2L with functional cowl hood, different suspension settings, etc. Maybe different exhaust.


I truly don't see the possibility of the Camaro getting the LS7, but I do think it will get the LS2, and by then the Vette will have jumped, or the Camaro will get less hp.

Either way, mine will be the RS, with cloth interior, optional rims (if there are any good ones) and that's IT. Manual trans, a decent exhaust, intake, and a mild cam, and I'll have one bad ass daily driver.

why not a version of the truck's 4.8L engine for a base model V8? if fuel mileage in a V8 is what you're after, what else does GM have to offer thats better?


how about LS2 heads on that ?

or my personal idea of a 4.8L crank in a 6.0L Block, long rod short stroke DZ-3?? I know it wouldn't be a 302, but it'd be cool, a 8500 rpm V8 in a camaro....... :death:

Base Camaro - Camaro for the masses
3.9L 240HP V6 - 14.8 1/4 et @ 95mph
optional 5.3L Vortec 295HP V8 - 14.2 1/4 et @ 100mph

Z28 - stiff suspension for street use w/ optional 1LE handling package for serious cornering
5.0(?) 325HP V8 (made by mating 4.8L crank & 5.3L block) - 13.4 1/4 et @ 108 mph

SS - The newest addition to Chevy's SS lineup
6.0L LS2 400HP V8 - 12.6 1/4 et @ 113 mph

ZL1 - Ultimate Camaro
7.0L LS7 495HP V8 - 11.6 1/4 et @ 122 mph

Yup, no question the base is the mid 200's hp v6 engine. That is where the camaro has to make the sales (no matter how odd i find it that most people don't want 300+ hp ;) ).

The top will be 400-450 I believe. I haven't been into camaros long enough to care if it is a z/28 or SS, both say power to me.

Now, I would love to have a top model capable of beating the 475hp stang coming out, but I do doubt it is coming. All though if it is a few hundred lbs under the mustangs rumored 3900lbs it still may have a chance with less power.

Time will tell but i do see it working out to have 3 models,
Base 250hp v6
mid 325-250 v8
top 400-450 v8 closer to 500 the better right?? :cool: :bow:

How 'bout a better lookin' car?

I think they should go with the RS as the base car with a 240-250ish hp V6 or so, thus making even the in effect base cars look pretty good (ie no ASS UGLY wheel hubcap crap, etc) and seem special. Wouldn't cost anymore to label it a RS and would kinda be special somehow for everyone to be able to say they at least had a Camaro RS. I don't know, just an idea.

Then I'd go with the SS and Z28 both having the 400-425hp 6.2l or 6.0l if they're still using that at the time, either way is good enough (course the 6.2l is better...). To keep the Z28 from being just relegated to the "standard" model like it was with the 4thgens give it some special options, give it the special suspension and brake treatment the SS previously got. I think that would be more of what the Z28 should be and was originally, it shouldn't be the 500hp model IMO. Despite what people with rose colored glasses want to think the Z28 did not own the dragstrip or the street for that matter, it was the roadracer with a higher strung engine (but lower output compared to the 396 cars, especially the L78 I believe was the designation 396s..)... Also give the Z28 the special cowl induction hood ala the originals. With the SS make it more of the set standard V8 car, but I wouldn't go to the expense and effort of making one or the other a really significantly different car, ie no LS7 for one and such. It would be really great if whatever V8 models even maxed with regular options (no GPS and such) would come in under $30k, and if not under very close...

I say you can't have a "Super Sport" and then give it some 5.3l less than spectacular setup. Especially when the 5.3l wouldn't really be any cheaper for GM to make and install in the car, and actually having the seperate engine option would probably add cost. I don't like the idea of the getting the lower output smaller motor either though (even if it's more historically accurate...). I say skip the low output V8 altogether, if it's gotta be there I guess the RS is it w/ the V6 again being relegated to just a plain jane Camaro like others have posted...

If the car is designed well and doesn't weigh a crapload like the Challenger and GT500 it will be quite competitive at 425ish hp and get better gas mileage...

Base Camaro - V6 , with a optional low dose V8 . Im sorry , but you just cannot argue with sales the low HP V8 mustangs and the insanely popular low hp 89-92 Camaro RS . Dont separate the models , simply put ...a V6 model with a optional 300 hp V8 .

Camaro SS - todays equivelent to a 4th gen Z28 , and the answer to Fords mid model Mach 1 . 350-375 hp V8 , with specific suspension and trim .

Camaro Z28 - Go get that GT500 :)

Camaro ZL1 - Not regular model . Ford will undoutably do another limited edition , bare bones Cobra R type model . Why not trump Ford on this one . Could Chevy snatch a couple hundred or less buyers for a stripped bare bones model , with a competition oriented suspension with a version of the LS7 .


Good post. :) I'd like to see an RS option though, even if it is just a looks thing like on 1st Gens. ;)

GM is not going to build another car to trump the Corvette.So I wouldn't get my hopes up for a ZL-1.They know they screwed up before when they did that.They would a helluva lot rather sell Vette's than Camaro's,no matter how new and improved it is.

I would buy a Z28 model, but If I knew they were coming out with an SS model, I would definitely wait for it. (But not for too long before I buy a Z/28)

GM is not going to build another car to trump the Corvette.So I wouldn't get my hopes up for a ZL-1.They know they screwed up before when they did that.They would a helluva lot rather sell Vette's than Camaro's,no matter how new and improved it is.

this thing is gonna weigh a bit more than the Corvette, even with the LS7, it wont be in Z06 territory

this thing is gonna weigh a bit more than the Corvette, even with the LS7, it wont be in Z06 territory
That's not my point.I don't see them putting that motor in a Camaro unless it is a seriously limited edition.GM has a lot of crap to sort out in the meantime.They need to get their money problems straightened out, or learn to speak Japanese.

If you look at the way chevy has been leaning in the last few years, I would bet that the SS will be the top of the line. They have been training the public that SS means performance with the Impala, Monte Carlo and Silverado SS models.

I would like to see 3 models with some package choices.

Base Model v6 badged as the Camaro with an optional RS appearance package to make it look almost like an ss. Stripes, ground effects, nice wheels and dual exhaust.

Mid level Model Badged Z/28 with the LS2. 1le option with beefier suspension, brakes, and fewer interior luxiories.

Top Level Badged SS. More HP due to a ram air hood and less restrictive exhaust, upgraded stereo and interior, and a killer appearance package.

The SS would have higher HP numbers, the guage most consumers use to measure the performance of a car, and allow for the WOW factor of having the top of the line car, but the 1le would be the choice for those of us that are concerned with power to wieght ratios and all out performance.

Base model camaro (or the RS).... Beefed up V6.. Mabie even a blown 4.3..:think:

Z28...Stock LS2

SS...Slightly beefed up LS2, (cam differences, like the LS1 Z28/SS differances)

Leave the LS7 to the Vette. To darn expensive. Mabie even make it special order. Only 500 made type thing. Chevy HAS a supercar, the ZO6 w/ the LS7.

A lot can change by the time this car actually hits the production lines. I hope they make it a little lighter...:rolleyes: Chevy has a rep (in my book) for being a bit on the heavy side. Never know. I'd like them to do something w/ the interior. Too retro for me. That steering wheel'd be the first to go. More of a driver oreintated cockpit type...

RS Package with a hide away light package kind alike on KrisH's photshop. That would be sweet.

Have the RS option include the head light option, more upscale trim than the base and make it available to be combined with an SS package and a Z/28 package.

Would be cool to have a modern RS/SS :)

SS package of course.

Z/28 Package to finish it off.

Base: V6 N/A starting $18995
RS: Turbo/supercharged V6 starting $22500
Z/28: 5.3 L V8 starting $25000
SS: 6.0 LS2 V8 Starting $28995

Add $800 to T-Top
Add $1500 for Convertible

I Would also love to see Chevy do something like Ferreri does with Challenge cars that they do. Chevy could make a LOW volume stripped Camaro with BIG engine for those who want to "race it". This should be a limited to 250 examples at a $10000-15000 premium over the SS.

or my personal idea of a 4.8L crank in a 6.0L Block, long rod short stroke DZ-3?? I know it wouldn't be a 302, but it'd be cool, a 8500 rpm V8 in a camaro....... :death:
Sounds like a perfect engine for a 5th Gen Z28! :metal: I'd buy one of those in a heartbeat. :thumb:

I would think it would be best to have about three versions like the Mustang has and not get carried away with too many options. I think Chevy needs to be realistic with the car for the average consumer.

Camaro: basic V6 car

Camro SS: V8 car to go up against the GT Mustang and it would fall in line with the SS thing they have been doing.

At some point the Z28 comes in so you can have one at the Shelby level. Higher HP, better suspension, etc.

Besides, the Z thing fits with the Z06 and says "I am the king."

I never liked how on the last gen the SS was top of the line and not the Z28, but thats just me.

Of course hardtop and rag top versions also need to come out.

My buddy and I were talking about this the other day, what if they only come in one flavor...a Camaro...like the GTO does right now?

Won't happen. The camaro NEEDS the v6 sales to be succesful.

Id say:

Base Camaro - V6

Then maybe a RS or Berlinetta Option to the Base Camaro that gave a Supercharged V6 or 5.3L V8 with lots of options doesnt sound bad.

Of Course the Z28 with the LS2 :)

i've avoided this thread since it started. i feel like i gotta jump in.

me and a friend were talking cars last night. he asked me how many models would the Camaro have. i said 3 possibly 4.

then he said something i almost forgot about. the Mustang has the base V6 and the GT right now. the Shelby is on it's way. and from what he's heard, and from things i've heard around here, there are a FEW more performance Mustangs on the way out.

i know 3 models with 3 engines sounds like alot to us now, but hhow many performance models will the Mustang have out by 2009?

I would buy a Z28 model, but If I knew they were coming out with an SS model, I would definitely wait for it. (But not for too long before I buy a Z/28)

It will be the other way around;)

i've avoided this thread since it started. i feel like i gotta jump in.

me and a friend were talking cars last night. he asked me how many models would the Camaro have. i said 3 possibly 4.

then he said something i almost forgot about. the Mustang has the base V6 and the GT right now. the Shelby is on it's way. and from what he's heard, and from things i've heard around here, there are a FEW more performance Mustangs on the way out.

i know 3 models with 3 engines sounds like alot to us now, but hhow many performance models will the Mustang have out by 2009?

Lets let this car get off the ground before we start worrying about special models

GM wont allow special models until the car is a proven seller and they need an “interest car”

Thus don’t expect a special Camaro till atleast 2011 or later

Late 2008 as 2009 models expect a V6 base car and a mid level SS

Late 2009 expect the convertible and then about another 6 months we should see a top model Z28 as a 2010

After that who knows, but I expect to see some sort of special cars

Depending on the actual launch of the car move this time frame….

Just don’t expect GM to throw everything on the street all at once

Three models- a Rally Sport, a Super Sport, and a Z/28

Give the RS a V6 with about 250HP, similarly priced to the base Mustang
Give the SS the LS2 with 400HP, priced similarly to the GT Stang
Give the Z28 the LS7 with 475HP, priced similarly to the GT500

To hell with all of the options also. As far as options go, give people one choice- cloth or leather. Everything else comes standard.

Lets let this car get off the ground before we start worrying about special models

GM wont allow special models until the car is a proven seller and they need an “interest car”

Thus don’t expect a special Camaro till atleast 2011 or later

Late 2008 as 2009 models expect a V6 base car and a mid level SS

Late 2009 expect the convertible and then about another 6 months we should see a top model Z28 as a 2010

After that who knows, but I expect to see some sort of special cars

Depending on the actual launch of the car move this time frame….

Just don’t expect GM to throw everything on the street all at once

i totally agree! the Mustangs performance models are just starting to come out a year and a half after initial launch.

rememeber the 18 month wait someone hinted to for the "performance" model ;)

It seems a lot of people are skipping the entry level V8.

With 330 hp, the last gen was almost impossible to insure unless you were over 25. If you were under you paid the same amount for insurance as you did for the car. I saw it.

With 300hp, you will be at the same level as the Mustang.

By making a more affordable, easier to insure V8, you are guaranteed to increase sales.

Even if it had 275 peak hp but 350 lbs of torque all over the board, I would be all over it.

I don't want a V6. I want a V8, but I don't need 400 hp. Get what I'm saying?

While I am taking this more personally, as someone who studies market trends, productions numbers and so on, starting with a V6 and then only offering Hi-powered V8s, you will run into the same problem as the last model.
Low end car was impractical as a 4 seat car, V8 models were expensive and much harder to insure. There was no in-between. Dropping the 305 was a big numbers killer.

I'll have to check on insurance prices, but I know even for me at 28, there will be a big difference.

I don't like insurance companies, I don't want to pay a huge payment to insure a car, where if anything does happen, it will cost 1/4 of what I already paid in (to fix), I'll have to pay 250 bucks of it, and they will drop me or increase my rates after wards, no thanks.