OFFICIAL CamaroZ28.Com "Camaro Concept" Feedback Poll

There have been tons of polls on the subject, but they are all scattered so it is hard to gauge a true reaction.

Let's use a SINGLE and "offical" site poll which will be stickied for quite some time here in this forum so we can all get an accurate report on the thoughts out there.

This is a simple poll. All you have to do is rate the new Camaro Concept on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the best. You can leave comments, but it is not necessary. Just vote!

Just remember that we are voting on the CONCEPT! Don't look at it as a production vehicle, because it will certainly change to a degree if it goes into production.

One more thing...GM will surely be looking at this, as well the "Build the Concept" (http://www.camaroz28.com/buildtheconcept/) peition.

(If you voted in this before and your vote/comment is now gone, sorry...there was an error in the first version of this poll and it had to be recreated. Just vote again.)

10. The concept is amazing. Pure sex.

10. I love every inch of that car.. BUILD THAT ****!

How much better could they have done? The most common complaint is the grille openings are too large, that is an easy fix for Chevy to make.

Like I said before... Damnit. Typing twice sucks. :p

I like the wheels on the concept and would like to see something similar, at least as an available option.

I know that the grill is meant to recall on the 69's "egg crate" grill, but I'm not too crazy of it on this car. I'd like to see it toned down somehow, blacked out perhaps.

I'm in the minority, apparently; but I like the direction the interior went in overall. I'm sure it'll be less 'out there' when all is said and done.

Otherwise, I love it. Have to make sure that gets reposted again. :thumb:

I gave it a 9. This is by far the best Camaro I've ever seen! :bow: However, I would like to see the grill assembly enlarged and flattened out a bit. It could also be not as recessed.
Same deal with the brake lights. A one piece assembly like the 3rdgen Firebirds would be an improvement.
One last thing, PLEASE put a real speedo and tach in the dash!! I hate retro guages. No matter how new they are, I think "junk" whenever I see them in a vehicle. :wierd:
The shape is fantastic, don't change it a bit! Way to go GM!!

10.

Futuristic heritage.

Pure passion.

Build it.

Didn't like it.Glad I bought a ZO6 instead of waiting on this.The challenger prototype is a much sexier car.Hate to say it,but I think GM missed the mark a little on this one.

I voted "8" because of no ttops and I didn't like the interior.

I gave it a 9. This is by far the best Camaro I've ever seen! :bow: However, I would like to see the grill assembly enlarged and flattened out a bit. It could also be not as recessed.
Same deal with the brake lights. A one piece assembly like the 3rdgen Firebirds would be an improvement.
I think the grill needs to stay recessed, to change that would affect the overall look too much IMO. I just want to see it blacked out or made less conspicuous.

THIS (http://s92328089.onlinehome.us/cool.bmp) grill treatment is much more attractive. Scott, make this happen. ;)

And to expand on the comment about the tail lights... I would rather see something more like the tail lights of the 69 Camaro, and less like a Corvette's. Of course I'm a future buyer one way or the other. :D

Gave it a 9, the spoiler is too small, would have preferred a more pronounced rear spoiler, and of course the interior and the side mirrors are pure concept. I would buy it though.

9 needs some interior changes but other then that, wow....

It is getting very well received by the VW fans on VWVortex! Maybe with it getting recognition from unlikely suspects it could do very well in production. They are suprised with the mpg stated. They said that even the "beloved" Civic Si can't even accomplish that.

I think the grill needs to stay recessed, to change that would affect the overall look too much IMO. I just want to see it blacked out or made less conspicuous.

THIS (http://s92328089.onlinehome.us/cool.bmp) grill treatment is much more attractive. Scott, make this happen. ;)

And to expand on the comment about the tail lights... I would rather see something more like the tail lights of the 69 Camaro, and less like a Corvette's. Of course I'm a future buyer one way or the other. :D

Hey K Z, if they did all THAT, then there wouldnt be anything left to customize! Then what would we do?? I think it's a great concept car. It's so unlike any of the other GM product line that there wont be any danger of people mistaking it for an overgrown GEO like the '93 Z28, or a two-door Grand Prix like the GTO... ;)

Its distinctive and sharp.
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BTW, Did anyone else notice that Bob Lutz looks and sounds like a retired prize fighter?

7.

Side silhouette is right.

Taillights and exhaust outlets suck.

Front end looks like it was pushed up against a wall- angle that thing down a bit for gods sake.

Tone down the creases a bit, round it off a hair.

Center those foglights in the grille.

And for the love of Christ, give me t-tops and a hidden headlight option if its gonna be a retro car.

8 for exterior and 6 for interior

10. The concept is amazing. Pure sex.

Quoted for truth.

8.

It's still a 'touch' retro for me, and I have a hunch if I see it in person (per Jason's advice) it would increase to 9 or 10.

So far, great!

Jeff
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A 10 All The Way Bulid This Car

A 10 All The Way Bulid This Car
Nice username.

Dont see a lot of that name. PM me, man.

IF GM builds it, I WILL have one!

A strong 7! :D

I like it!

10. Love everything about the car. Hope they keep the engine bay as clean in the production.

For the exterior I gave it 9 but this would be a 10 if GM fixed the following:

1) Replace front egg-crate grill with a billet aluminium 4th gen style piece.

2) Fix the tail lights... they don't look good anyway and don't look good at all on this car... a simpler, rectangular 1 piece design reminiscent of the 1st gen (with euro amber turn signals) would look better.

3) Do something about the exahust, it gives the impression of coffee cans that have been squashed... I would love to see two rounded rectangular or eliptical pipes in the center myself, like a vette.

4) Ditch the rear blackout panel - I'd rather it was body color.

5) Smaller rims 18" front / 19" back (maybe optional 19 / 20) with a 3/4 to 1 inch lip on them, i.e. deep dish and 5 straight spokes.

I know the poll doesn't make a distinction but the interior gets a 4 out 10 because it's just weird and clunky looking - like something from HG Wells "The Time Machine". Give us a moden interior that looks more like something from the C6 please.

10. Love everything about the car. Hope they keep the engine bay as clean in the production.
That won't happen, because emissions crap and other such junk will have to be there once it goes on to production.

Still, if they can put as much effort as possible into making sure that stuff doesn't look like a mess that would be great. Not to mention keeping the wiring clean so it doesn't look like a semi truck full of wires exploded and ended up under the hood. ;)

5) Smaller rims 18" front / 19" back (maybe optional 19 / 20) with a 3/4 to 1 inch lip on them, i.e. deep dish and 5 straight spokes.
Here is the problem... Those fenders were cut with those large wheels in mind. I'm kind of scared to see what it would look like with 18" wheels on it. :no:

10- What I think is 'iffy' about the concept I'm sure the aftermarket could take care of. All the important things are perfect.

I like the Look of this car alot, but the Front end still has to grow on me a little.

I don't like the taillights at all, and the front end just doesn't look right either.

Here is the problem... Those fenders were cut with those large wheels in mind. I'm kind of scared to see what it would look like with 18" wheels on it. :no:

Yeah buut... look at the size of the tires - they're ulta low profile. On a 19 inch wheel, the tires will help fill out the wheel wells.

I just can't see huge dubs like that making it to production... cost & weight will be prohibitive and cost to replace tires will be be nuts too.

Also, nothing is stopping GM from revising the concept so that smaller wheels will look fine. I don't think it's a big deal and I don't see the car shipping with massive dubs (thank god).

Retro baby.... GM finally does something right after 99% boring models from them.... :thumb:

Nothing like 1st gen styling cues....

http://members.cox.net/serinop/1stplace.jpg

Build it and I will buy it.

I gave it an 8 for two reasons,

#1 While I love the mostly heritage cues on the exterior of the car the Retro interior is just a big turn off to me. Whether or not that makes production, I really just think modern cars need modern interiors. For example I would never consider the new Mustang because of its recessed gauges and lack of ingenuity. Don’t make this mistake GM, look at the C6 its interior is beautiful!

#2 While I love most of the lines on the car (especially around the B pillar where the green house meets the quarter panel, ooooh so awesome!) I’m still going to need some warming up to the front end. However this is not a deal killer for me at all seeing how I know this area of the car can easily be tailored by production time. And I’d also like to see a few variations of the exhaust pipes, those did not thrill me either right off the bat.

Other than that I see this car as a pure winner and myself in one in a few years!

awesome... the first car gm's come out with since 93 that makes me want to got out and buy a new car.

I hate how unaerodynamic the front end is, and I hate the tail lights. The tail lights look incredibly stupid and kitcarish, and reguarding the front end, the car looks stupid from a 3/4 view. It is just too square and boxy.

I want something more aerodynamic, fix the front end by rounding those INSANELY sharp corners (I've seen duller corners on cardboard boxes!) up front and get rid of that stupid lower bumper/spoiler that looks like crap and I'd probably put my order in next year at the local Chevy dealer. I want the car to look like a Camaro, not an Infiniti or BMW with a body kit. Aerodynamics please...

Related note: This concept reminds me of the reason all those old hot rodders used to put bigger tires/wheels on the rear wheels to jack the car up in the back... it's because they looked kind of lame sitting flat. The 4th gens don't look stupid sitting flat, so how about a front end that isn't so darn big?

Gave it a 8...

Front Grill - This has been beaten like a dead horse, but it just doesn't look clean. I would prefer totally blacked out w/ hidden headlights (that could be an option), or at least tone down the "egg crates". You could also keep the headlights exposed w/ a blacked out grill w/ crome trim around the outside of the grill. Myself and three of my buddies like most everything about the car, but the common dislike was the grill design.

Taillights - I think they look alright, but they could be better. I would like to see one taillight on each side, divided into two sections (think 67-68).

Interior - I am not really feeling the dashboard/middle console, at all. I know the Mustang's dashboard is retro, as is the Challenger's, but the square w/ round inner guages just doesn't sit right with me. I would much prefer the round guages like the 67-68's had but modern (I guess kinda like the Mercedes SL's guages).

Wheels - I think they look GREAT, but I don't know how well two different size wheels are gonna go over when the majority of Camaro owners when they can't rotate tires front/back/side to side, so I guess 16's or 17's all around will be standard.

Overall I thought the car was great. Side profile was perfect, and I mean perfect. The front looks flat from the front, but from the side it has a slight slant. Rear quarters are awesome, great look. The front "intake" seems kinda out of place, but it's not too bad, I would prefer it removed.

Last questions:

Are the rear windows going to roll down on the production hardtop??

And, can I get drilled/slotted rotors on mine in late 2008, perhaps that should be part of the top performance optioned Z28 kinda like the Z51 package for the Vette or the almighty Z06?

I want the car to look like a Camaro, not an Infiniti or BMW with a body kit.
:confused: How many BMWs and Infinitys have you seen that look like this concept???

The crisp lines of the car are a slam dunk. Very attractive and distinctive. The 3rd gen had sharp lines, as did the 69 that this car emulates.

My only real change would be the change to the grill (and possible hideaway headlights) like Kris Horton's new chop.

GM finaly builds a Camaro other than the 1st Gen that I would buy again.

Gave it a solid 9.

First I would bluge the front fenders out slightly

I would make the tail lights one peice Either 67-68 or 69 Though the 4th gen Vette tail lights are growing on me a little.

Interior is irrelevent at this point because that flashy gold stuff isnt going to make it, but Im not sure I like the 67-68 seperate gauges. Those gauges infront of the stick look cool in white.

Thats it.

The 69 Grille is a must. I love the recessed 69 exposed headlights. 3rd gen fans calling for hideaway headlights need to understand thats the RS option which I believe was demoted to the base car in later years. That means the base car cannot be called RS as there are hideaway headlight RS SS cars. Not a big deal...

Functioning Shark gills from 69 Camaro also seen on Porsche Carrera...

The window lines of 1st gen are a must as well. Short doors again with the bottom 1/4 window lines turn head with those windows down.

The back window is better than any year and I didnt think that was possible. 1st gen from the side stretched to a fastback, 3rd gen rear window with the deck lid gives it a Testerosa rear look from the top. The car has a trunk again!

The engine isnt under the windshield!!!!!!!

The front has more of a raptor beak on it than I thought. It looks like its going to friken eat someone. Two coworkers are already asking when they are taking deposits. If finances permit and production doesnt loose the 69 in it this is me...

The 69 Grille is a must. I love the recessed 69 exposed headlights. 3rd gen fans calling for hideaway headlights need to understand thats the RS option which I believe was demoted to the base car in later years. That means the base car cannot be called RS as there are hideaway headlight RS SS cars. Not a big deal...
There were RS/SS cars, RS/Z28 cars and pure RS cars.

Hideaway headlights should be considered by GM. Cleans things up nicely.

i'd buy it today!!!!!!!!!

There were RS/SS cars, RS/Z28 cars and pure RS cars.

Hideaway headlights should be considered by GM. Cleans things up nicely.

Ive seen the 69 RS Z28 but honestly I never knew if they came like that or people put Z28 emblems on other RS cars.

It would be a neat option, but I was just pointing out that RS would mean hideaway headlights the way it was 1st gen, not base V8 like Ive seen many post. I guess 3rd gen RS ment entry V8

I have only a few issues with it. The rear end seems way to high and scrunched up, as if it it's been rear ended. This picture below shows how the fender just seems to keep going up. It makes me think of an old Cadillac with tail fins. Also , the rear end in general seems to me the least Camaro of all, but if it were'nt so high up I suppose that may not bother me as much.
http://www.porteighty.biz/uploads/camaro_6.jpg
The other thing really is minor but stands out with me. The way the top edge of the hood where it and the grill meet has a slant about it that makes the front seem less sleek and more full and boxy. This picture shows how the fender crease flows around to the front, and just takes away from the overall smoothness, though thats probably just something that bugs me. Also, as others have stated, the grill is slightly meh.
http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2006_detroit/chevy/camaro/images/14.jpg
As far as the interior goes,and everything else, I really really love it, then again, I have a '67 rs. Bottom line, I love it overall and am looking foward to driving it off the lot.:bow:

I gave it an 8, but that is only for the exterior. Something about the front end doesn't seem just right (I am not sure what exactly). I don't really like the tail lights or exahaust tips. In general, this concept is more retro than I was hoping for, but I do like the aggressive look and stance that this car has.

Now for the interior, I would honestly give this a 2 or lower. I think it is down right horrible. The interior should be modern, and functional with a nice sportly look and good build quality. There has never been a camaro with a nice interior; There is nothing about past generation interiors that needs to be brought back. GM, I beg you to scrap this entire interior design and start over!

Looks awesome ;)

I wasn't totally enamored with the air inlet above the grille but its starting to grow on me.

What about reversing the intake and pulling air from the back via functional cowl induction hood scoop with doors similar to the 80 Z/28. I had an 80 Z/28 back in the day and I used to love hearing the "thwack" as the doors opend up and the secondaries opened up (I know those days are over but it will sound horny:))

T-tops are a must.

It would be nice if you could put a 5.3 as an option in the base model.

Z/28 should be the top model and it should be easily distinguished from the base camaro.

Rear end is OK, would rather see some round taillights like the ones on my 73 Z/28 :D

As someone who drag races, bring the gauges up from the console and put them all together and the tach should always be on the right side with the speedo on the left (personal preference) and put the HUD option in as well.

Engine cover looks great, good work.

Overall great concept, now the sooner the better on a production version!!

Uncle Marc

I LOVE it! I want one in red... with T-tops, which I have on my '97.

Ive seen the 69 RS Z28 but honestly I never knew if they came like that or people put Z28 emblems on other RS cars.

It would be a neat option, but I was just pointing out that RS would mean hideaway headlights the way it was 1st gen, not base V8 like Ive seen many post. I guess 3rd gen RS ment entry V8
Yeah it was an available option, basically the RS package was a trim option that could have been added to either the SS or the Z/28. :yes:

In fact, if you were watching the webcast today, the car that was following the red ZL1 Camaro was a RS/Z28, Garnet Red with black vinyl top and cross ram DZ302. :cool: Hideaway headlights and RS trim. :thumb: That's an original car, not rebadged.

Don't get me wrong I love the car and will have a definate push to be the first in town to have one. I think that the tailights should be one on either side instead of two. Those aren't Camaro taillights IMO. The only things I really despise are the tail lights and mirrors. I agree that hideaways need to be an option. The interior is perfect. I love the lack of clutter around the driver.

Give it a price tag and an LS7 and tell me where to sign.:D

Another 10 here. As a concept car, it's wonderful. Now I'll be anxious for a couple more years as to what the production version will look like. This whole process is teaching me a ton of patience!

Awesome start!

I gave it a 9. I like the exterior, but the interior after the GTO leaves a little to be desired. Clean the interior up like the GTO and they will have a hit.

Nonetheless, if they build it at a reasonable price, I'll buy it.

Give it a price tag and an LS6 and tell me where to sign.:D
Gotta have those extra 5 hp ehh? ;) Just put a K&N on the LS2.

I give this concept a 7 - only because I just don't like the "pointy" front end - looks too much like a Cadillac. Back end not quite right either. I am all for retro - it works on Mustang and the Challenger concept. That is just my opinion. With more of a '69 front and back - I would raise my rating to a 10. Interior - retro works for me. But PLEASE, make an affordable version for us poor slobs that can't afford a $30,000 car. If that means offer a V-6 to get the cost down - then do it. And it would be great if I didn't have to wait until 2009. I can live with a V-6.

I know a lot of people don't want it to be an exact copy of the 1969 - not me - I wouldn't mind at all. I think the Dodge Challenger concept is right on the money and was hoping for the same type of thing from Chevy.

I agree with alot of the comments on the front end and the grille - as well as the back end. IMO, from the side view - looks great! (although I'm not a fan of the huge wheels/low profile tires) But the front and back just bother me.

I know the production model will be different - but just wanted to put in my 2 cents. I'm a loyal GM/Camaro buyer. I have a 1968 Camaro and a 2002 Camaro. I have owned a 1988 Camaro, 2000 Camaro and 2001 Camaro. I want my next car to be a Camaro - but if it isn't affordable, Mustang may be my only choice :cry:

I look forward to seeing the concept in person if it will be at any other shows.

Thanks

I forgot to add one thing.

Chrome is dead.

Let it stay that way or only use it in the SS along with the covered headlights(you guys know it'll happen).

I think the grill needs to stay recessed, to change that would affect the overall look too much IMO. I just want to see it blacked out or made less conspicuous.

THIS (http://s92328089.onlinehome.us/cool.bmp) grill treatment is much more attractive. Scott, make this happen. ;)


:cool: I'd give it an 8 or 9 (haven't decided how to vote yet).

:yes: Front end: Like it. I also think the front grill in the above post looks MUCH MUCH better. I also think that hide-away headlights would be SWEET. I'm pretty much a tight-ass when it comes to optioning out cars, but I might even be willing to pay for the option if it wasn't standard.

:bow: Interior: Love it! I think the large tach & speedo with gages at the center console is pretty slick.

:blah: Tail: About the only complaint I have. I would prefer either rectangular tail lights like on a 1st Gen, or round like on the early 2nd gens (like they did with the SS Concept a few years ago). Not much of a fan of the exhaust tips (I'll agree with the earlier squashed coffe can look).


As you can tell, I'm a fan of retro styling. Even as the car is now, YES, I WOULD buy one if available:metal:.

I hope like hell GM will see this through to production and not let us down. :(

Great design, hope they build it!!

9 for the exterior. not too thrilled with front grill. the post by kick z tail out on the grill looked much better.
7 on interior. from pics i didn't like those big gauges.
but overall i'd buy it, as long as it is still affordable.

I gave it a 7. I like the rear. I definitely like the Charger-style fuel filler on the rear quarter. But I'm not crazy about the Chrysler "cab forward" look on a Camaro. I'd definitely lose the dubs, too.
The interior looks good and I like the idea of a ballsy V-8 option for ~$30k.
While they make a big deal about the grill area, it looks like a Caddie ripoff.
All-in-all, I'd still buy one instead of a Rustang, but maybe not instead of a new 2007-8 Challenger.

Yeah it was an available option, basically the RS package was a trim option that could have been added to either the SS or the Z/28. :yes:

In fact, if you were watching the webcast today, the car that was following the red ZL1 Camaro was a RS/Z28, Garnet Red with black vinyl top and cross ram DZ302. :cool: Hideaway headlights and RS trim. :thumb: That's an original car, not rebadged.

I missed it and I couldnt get the link on Fastlane blog to play anything else but kids and airbag carseat commercials. Got the link?

8



-1 because I wish it had t-tops. Just like the C6 ought to have pop up headlights, the 5th gen f-body ought to have t-tops.

and -1 because I wish it had more 2nd 3rd and 4th gen low long sleek fighter jet in it. Rather, it's upright and mostly 1st gen inspired. If I liked upright cars, I would have bought a 99 Stang instead of a 99 Camaro.


OTOH, I did give it an 8

because for a 1st gen, upright, retro inspired car, it looks GREAT! And those hips, and the area where the doors meet the rocker panels and the rear fenders, sexy! Makes the Challenger look dull, plain and slab sided.

BTW, GM, build this or something like it, and I'd give it a 10 and buy at least one:
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6919/camarotopsandhatch1vj.jpg

Looks like I'm in the minority on the side profile. I don't like the crease and the molds, looks too much like a Mustang. Make it smooth and rounded like first gen. Also would like to see a modern dash and interior, even futuristic. The contrast would be cooly artistic, IMO. A wider grill would be better too.

These are only minor quibbles; I did give it a 9; overall it's great.

If the production car is at all similar I WILL buy one, and park it right next to my STS turbocharged '02 SS Convertible :cool:

Now if they'll offer the 7.0 liter Z06 engine as an option!!! :bow: Drool Drool.

I missed it and I couldnt get the link on Fastlane blog to play anything else but kids and airbag carseat commercials. Got the link?
:yes: Sure thing brother. :)

http://gmtv.feedroom.com/?fr_story=FEEDROOM128215

Based soley on the videos and pictures:...
I gave it a 9, as a concept...
Kinda retro to me, waiting to see it in person Saturday for final accessment.
Hang-ups...grille: too gray, gaping, '90'sish....,
Instrument panel, interior: too over the top, in your face obvious. Put everything where I can easily see it, "cues" not copy.

9. Only because of the egg crate grille that looks odd. I know this can be taken care of with aftermarket parts but it would be nice to have a billet or similar from the factory.

The car seems a little "Tonka" truck like that is why a rated it a 7. I would have wanted it to have a little more retro styling with flowing curves than straight lines with sharp angles. The rear end looks porky. Window area is narrow but profile is nice. The small window area makes the car look chunky. The Camaro is supposed to be a sporty car. Sporty cars are not supposed to look porky. That is where Dodge screwed up with the Charger.

Tail lights need to be round similar to 70 models or make them similar to 69. The current ones do not work for me.

Dodge hit the nail on the head with the Challenger.

Just my 2 cents.

Richard

Yeah it was an available option, basically the RS package was a trim option that could have been added to either the SS or the Z/28. :yes:

In fact, if you were watching the webcast today, the car that was following the red ZL1 Camaro was a RS/Z28, Garnet Red with black vinyl top and cross ram DZ302. :cool: Hideaway headlights and RS trim. :thumb: That's an original car, not rebadged.

The best of the best 69's! Is the number 6 car "Old Reliable"? And Id kill for a cross ram 69 Z28 Those cars are 35 years old and that Cross Ram Z28 will go for 60-70 Grand The COPO ZL1 200 Grand. and SS 30 Grand. Those cars still make me go OMG when I see them!

The Concept car needs those recessed lights. A pair 69 wide Racing Stripes will go a long way. Id take one Lemans blue with black strips. When I saw Vette had the Le Mans Blue The origional Camaro had, I thought the Camaro was not far behind it. Hoping anyway

Functional brake coolers front and back. Thats functional shark gills!

I gave it an 8 on the exterior, and an 8 for the interior. I think the roof needs to be 1-2 inches higher, and maybe do a modern version of the 1st gen tailights. I think a higher roof would ease entry, and would IMPROVE the look. I recall one the main reasons the Camaro sales dropped off, is because (once you got used to the excitement, 2-3 years down the road of how car looks), graceful entry/exit could be challeging, and in tight parking spaces. That was one of several reasons that the Mustang kept the strong sales with males AND females. Like it or not, my '69 had the best layout for day to day use of all the Camaros I owned. It had a real trunk, was easier to enter (dont have to hold the door with one hand, while getting out) and the back seat "seemed" to be more friendly to passengers, cause they had a window to look out, not the interior sail panels. So whether you like retro or not, IMHO, GM is spot on in trying to mimic the 1st gen proportions, because that is a way to ensure longevity.

The current Mustang is a huge hit because the proprtions are right on; and the Challenger will be a HUGE hit for the same reason, and also because Mopar guys have been hurtin' for a 2 door V8 ponycar for the last 30 years. I would love to see all three of these cars (Camaro, Mustang, Challenger) in a modern road race setting like the Grand Am series; it would be like the old Trans Am days of legend.

I gave the interior an 8 simply because it looked like a concept/car non-production interior, just a little flashy. However, the layout of the instruments is dead on for using the heritage of the 1st gen interior.

Overall, I think the car is very good looking, and if it went on sale tomorrow, I'd go stand in line at the local dealer to purchase it.

I give the exterior a 9. I think everything turned out great. True, the front end is a little different than one would expect, but I definitely think it could grow on all of us. Like most have already said, the side profile is EXCELLENT!

As for the interior, I GREATLY dislike it. I don't like how it went retro at all. It seems like there's WAY too much space. Another thing that bugs the hell outta me is how there's so many shiny materials. I think it needs to be less 'busy', with more comfort and modernization (like C6 or GTO)

So yes, overall, GREAT place to start :thumb:

exterior i gave it a perfect 10. The egg crate grille does look better in person, but there are other more attractive grilles that have been ps'd. Other than that ill take the exterior just how it is!

interior... id say start over. Im not a huge fan of retro interiors and split guage clusters and recessed guages.also the auxiliary dials and displays and what not have to be moved if nother else for practicallity

-2 points for the confused and ergonomically challenged interior.

8/10 from me. An excellent score for any concept.

i gave it a 10. the exterior is exactly right to me.

i'm not a fan of the interior that much, but i know things will get changed from the concept to the production model.

this is the first concept car i have ever seen that completely blew me away!

Build it as is,I love it:cool:

I gave it an 8.

Of course this is just a concept, but that car in that form can not have t-tops and that is the biggest gripe I have.

Other than that, I love it. :cool:

10 absolutely!

a solid 9 here!!
i like it, and the interiors too!

1. but i don't like the exhaust outlets i will prefer rectangulars like the previous, round it's so comon.

2, please make a t-top version

3. please put the "Z28"!!!!!

4. please make it cheap ;)

The stance and style of this Camaro says "BRING IT ON" I've got something for you! 10's all the way!:bow:

10 for Building the Camaro Again!!!!
8 for the Concept Camaro ..It's too Futuristic for my taste , but I'm sure they will come up with better one in 09..

I gave it a 10 :cz28:

I'm not some nitpicking nancy boy, but I've got a few requests:

Tailpipes - I prefer a far more subtle look. Ditch the 4" chrome stuff and gimme a couple of clean, VERY slight slash cut steel tips(10-20º)

Interior:
1. cupholders please
2. put all of the gauges under a common hood, DIRECTLY in front of the driver.
3. Make the HVAC and radio controls more logically stacked. Side by side looks neat, but probably wouldn't work well in the real world.
4. Adequate illumination - my boss'....errm...wife's '99 Tahoe lights up like a football stadium (<----veeeeery important for us with rugrats)

Obviously, some stuff that would never make production needs to be, errrrm, revised for the 'real deal':
Wheel size - anyone care to know the cost of a 305/30/22 ? (358 smackeroos from Tire Rack)
Interior glitz and glam - unless they'll include a set of custom fit polarized specs and a lifetime supply of excedrine, sitting inside the thing probably wouldn't be too inviting.

That's it. I know, I know, I'm easy.......

.....Just gimme some option boxes to check and one of those little purdy dotted lines so I can sign away the rest of my soul...........

An outstanding concept. Only real problem is the uncertainty about getting it built.

As far as critiques go, just go with 17"f/18" r wheels (or 17s all around) and ditch the "bling" rotors.

I'm neutral on the interior. Somehow modern "retro" (gauges in the center console?) just comes off looking cheesy to me. But, the memories (my dad had a '69) are sweet.

My biggest surprise (not having been here in a while), is IRS. Kinda miss seeing that tradition go away, but only a little. :D

I just wish they'd get this baby out for MY '07.5 or '08 (don't know if they could make it for '07).

Thanks for the forum, and y'all have a good one,
Mike

10! They nailed it!:bow:

10. I want.

I have never wanted a Camaro before(other than a resto-mod 1970 SS).

As long as it meets some basic requirements for me, I will buy one.

1. Usable back seat.

2. Entry level V8 version, with (at least) 300 hp.

3. It NEEDS to be affordable. I never considered the 4th gen as an option because the V8 versions were always more expensive than the V8 Mustang.

Hate it. Gave it a two. Looks like a Mustang/Charger hybrid. I won't be buying one of those.:( Looks like I'm driving my 2001 SS for a while.
My next car will have to be a Corvette now.

I voted 10, it's not too often a car brings tears to my eyes.

Please save the nameplate, DON'T BUILD IT.
Trash the concept complete and start over.

8



-1 because I wish it had t-tops. Just like the C6 ought to have pop up headlights, the 5th gen f-body ought to have t-tops.

and -1 because I wish it had more 2nd 3rd and 4th gen low long sleek fighter jet in it. Rather, it's upright and mostly 1st gen inspired. If I liked upright cars, I would have bought a 99 Stang instead of a 99 Camaro.


OTOH, I did give it an 8

because for a 1st gen, upright, retro inspired car, it looks GREAT! And those hips, and the area where the doors meet the rocker panels and the rear fenders, sexy! Makes the Challenger look dull, plain and slab sided.

BTW, GM, build this or something like it, and I'd give it a 10 and buy at least one:

Hell No! It just los the 1/4 windows short doors and rear window and just ruined the back seat and trunk. Nice job on the chop though...

Side profile is perfect.
Back looks pretty good.
The front just doesn't do it for me, though. The hoods fine, but the face of the car needs some work.

put ttops in it fix the grill and make it affordable like the mustang not like the chargers is gonna be which is a 33k 35k car

I did not like the car from inside.
However from outside it is marvelous

I gave it a 10. I would buy it today with no changes and be 100% satisfied. I really like everything about the car. I think they definitely made a huge impact. It is truly worthy of the name Camaro.

However, if they do make changes before it hits production (and we all know there will be changes) I would like the outside of the front fenders toned down a touch. I beg GM not to do anything to make the look of the headlights change. To me that whole area is a masterpiece. They can make the egg crate smaller, but don't change the headlights. They give the whole front of the car an agressive look. The whole car looks like it is ready for battle!

maybe its just me but it looks a little like a 1980's monte carlo SS

Just by the pic. this car looks real hot!!!!!:thumb:i love a rag top so i would love to see it with a drop top....

Gotta have those extra 5 hp ehh? ;) Just put a K&N on the LS2.

Opps. I ment LS7 :D

I was there and i got to touch it
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/Lorcinls1/detroit2371.jpg

If I could have ordered one then I would have,, BUILD IT

I think It's a Curse...I love my 98 SS, I've looked at 350Z' and other imports and BMW etc...even brought myself to check out the new mustang, but I know if i buy anything like that it wont be the same as My Camaro. Theres just something about a Camaro that i cannot get over. Anyways, I was so excited to see a new concept i showed every person i know. I Love it and will be pre-ordering as soon as possible.

This baby better be able to kick some A$$ like they used to otherwise....challengers will look like a real good alternative to people...Waiting till 2009 will be to late especially if the challenger will be out late 07 early 08.

The grill is terrible: Make it either less egg crate with smaller inlets or do the RS thing w/hideaways.

Rear lights are terrible - Make them either slits like the 69 RS ones or 67's rectangles w/ lower reverse lamps.

Price it reasonable. Oh, and no converter lump on the pass. side floor for heaven's sake.

i gave it a 9.. i love it the way it is, but there are a few details i think could be improved, but i don't hate them

1.. the grill has been mentioned a million times.. it's grown on me, i don't mind it, but it could look a lot better.. an idea.. that i've posted a few times maybe hear and on other boards.. have a lot of different dealer installed grill options like Chrysler did with the 300.. customizable to the buyers taste.. anyone else think this is a great idea?

2.. the mirrors.. obviously conceptisized.. i like the basic shape.. but they need to be taller and thicker a bit..

3.. the taillights.. they are starting to grow on me, but i think it'd look better with just two rectangular taillights ala the 69 camaros.. like below.. not the greatest chop in the world, but you get the idea
http://home.comcast.net/~builder228/stuff/choppedlights.jpg

4.. the interior.. the main guage cluster? no way.. definately way to conceptisized.. i don't think it'll ever make production that way.. i'd rather have a thoroughly modern interior, that seems to wrap around you like you are in the cockpit of a fighterjet.. the interior needs to appear to belong in a more expensive car than it's in.. like GM did with the Aveo.. that is one nice interior for a sub compact.. if they can make it look that nice in such a cheap car, they can make it look that much nicer in a car that costs more

I am very impressed with the concept with most the same complaints as the rest of you (i.e. exhaust tail lights) but am I the only one insulted by the fact that the firebird is left behind dont get me wrong Ill take what I can get and have always liked the camaro more but its like peanut butter no jelly.

ps
I know Im not the only one who thinks a girl in a trans am is F!@#$ hot

Thanks GM for bring back the Camaro :metal: got real sick and tired of looking at Mudstangs all day.

I have read all the posts that all Camaro lovers (like myself i own a 91 Z28)
has posted and I agree with alot of them.

#1. The price is going to be the most important thing. That will determine wether or not the car will sell....of course. GM has to compete price wise with Ford:yuck: That was the reason they stopped selling them in the first place!:cry:
The Mudstang is one of the #1 selling cars right now and it's not because it a good car, well all know it's a POS ;) it's the price. A GT fully loaded for under 37G's....you can't beat that. You have power,the drive and the look for a decent price, although 35,000 a good price? Times have changd haven't they:cry:

If the next Camaro comes out and it's priced like the 4th Gen then don't bother making the car cause it won't sell again. I did not and will not spend that kind of money on a sports car. The 4th Gen Camaro was at almost 50G's!(CDN) Who can afford that nowadays? I sure couldn't afford that,alot of ppl couldn't afford that even with payments. How's the SSR truck selling? Ya, it's not....80G's for a frikin truck, what the frik are you thinking GM?:alert: :confused:

#2. I like the look of the car but I really had my heart set on Kris Hortons' concept. If you haven't seen what i'm talking about, go to google and type in "2007 camaro". That front end of GM's concept needs to be totally changed. Yes it does look like the BMW/MERC's type of car also. But they do have the right idea but I think Kris hit it on the nose. All the guys love that car and said they would buy one if it comes out and they all drive Honda's :rolleyes:

#3. The interior needs to be moderen. Sure the retro is nice but it need to be better than the rest. GM will not make the F-Bird or TA but just think what the interiors look like compared to the Camaro. Thats the interior that car should have with CUPHOLDERS PLEASE!
Also one post said that the back seat should be more friendly to back passengers like the 1st Gen which I totally agree with, that is such a good point!

That's my 2 cents. I rated the car a 7 because of Kris Hortins design I like so much more :bow:

I PhotoShoped a picture of the concept, giving it a billet grille. It looks good, but I cannot post attachments. Can someone help with this?

10

:metal:

and my 2000th post :cool:

I PhotoShoped a picture of the concept, giving it a billet grille. It looks good, but I cannot post attachments. Can someone help with this?

email it to me tom.builder@gmail.com and i'll put it up for ya

about 4,500 views but under 360 votes so far....either we could have a lot more members, people are viewing this 10 times a day, or people just need to vote more!

I have seen a lot of posts regarding the grille, taillights, and other little details. The way I see it, whatever Chevrolet does not "fix" for the people that could do without certain things on the concept, can always be changed with the abundant aftermarket world we have today. I was not blown away by the grille at first, or the taillights, or even the exhaust pipes....but I must say once I saw it in person today at the LA Auto Show, It looks for lack of a better word, PERFECT. Let's face it, car can be modified via aftermarket accessories.

about 4,500 views but under 360 votes so far....either we could have a lot more members, people are viewing this 10 times a day, or people just need to vote more!

i, for one, am viewing it every time someone posts a new post.... at least every post since i first posted ;)

99HOSSJOE's chop of the Camaro, blue with black stripes and a billet grill..

personally.. I love it!.. i may have to get a billet grill on mine when i get one, that looks great! good job Joe!

http://home.comcast.net/~builder228/stuff/BlueBillet.jpg

email it to me tom.builder@gmail.com and i'll put it up for ya

I have sent you the image. Thanks.

Out of so many people on the site, I would have thought there would be more voters. Come on guys, GM is probably watching this site, among others as feedback.

Okay, after reading a lot of posts, I feel the need to chime in. I am one of the lucky few who got to work on the concept this year. So I have been fortunate enough to see it from that point of view. I have been reading a lot of positive feedback, and I want to thank everyone for that. Not because I am the one to thank, but because the people who slaved all year over this concept appreciate it. It's the payoff. Every night and weekend sacrificed makes you wonder if it's worth it, but when you see that car under power and hear that deep GM V8 rumble... Damn I love it.

I want to say there have been so many suggestions on grille/headlamp changes I would like to comment on it. The people involved are very good at what they do. There were so many damn good ideas I don't know where to start. The bottom line is that it comes down to buildability and cost. There is a shocking amount of government criteria that must be met in lighting and engine cooling and it drives a lot of the design process.

I hope the enthusiasts will be able to stand behind this car. It may be the last of a breed. We get so much flack for fire breathing fossil fuel gas guzzling monsters, that I wonder how much longer we can sustain this genre without huge compromises. Everyone is feeling the V8 bite at the pump and I hope we find an alternative soon. (alternative to high gas prices, not V8's) Okay, doom and gloom aside, I want everyone reading these posts to realize everyone involved was so charged up about this project, that people could barely contain themselves. You should have seen the image boards. There wasn't enough room to put all the ideas. So trust me when I tell you almost every avenue was exhausted before making a judgment on the final design. Nothing was taken lightly... NOTHING.

Everyone has an opinion on what they believe should be done, but you HAVE to give props to the design. It isn't watered down, and it is twist and a poke away from production. That's the beauty of it. It was not pie in the sky show vehicle. All of that sheet metal hangs on a real chassis, and almost every criteria was met. A lot of design ideas had to be changed to keep it real as a matter of fact. Bob Lutz is aware of every move, and he wanted it buildable as you see it. This Camaro is the bold statement GM needed. I am a huge muscle car fan, and I have been left wanting in so many cars we've seen lately. The GTO is a great piece of engineering, but every Muscle car fan has to shake his head at the final design. Hopefully, the energy and passion for this camaro will put them on the right track as far as styling.

K, that's my 2 cents worth. Let me end with my perfected Camaro, since I so desparately wanted my ideal design as well. See the light catcher above the rocker? I want it to pierce all the way to the rear or the car. (it would finish that gesture) I want to shorten the overhangs, and get the wheels as far as humanly possible to the corners. (ultra modern) I would let the headlights be a part of the design. and not hidden. Possibly cutting into the lower grille opening like angry eyes. I would change the taillights to something with more bling, and lastly, beef up the side mirrors. I am going to have to buy one when it hits, and make my perfected version. (maybe if I have a few minutes to my name I'll p-shop my version up, and post it.)

On a last note, I don't know if Kris Horton went to college for trans design or not, but I see surfacing flaws on his wehicles that would never be able to be overlooked at the general, but he has the passion, and the eye, and I hope he takes it full circle and gets the degree. I'd love to see him in the studio I'm in someday.

Peace,
Gumby

#1. The price is going to be the most important thing. That will determine wether or not the car will sell....of course. GM has to compete price wise with Ford:yuck: That was the reason they stopped selling them in the first place!:cry:
The Mudstang is one of the #1 selling cars right now and it's not because it a good car, well all know it's a POS ;) it's the price. A GT fully loaded for under 37G's....you can't beat that. You have power,the drive and the look for a decent price, although 35,000 a good price? Times have changd haven't they:cry: :


The reason that the Mustang is a hot seller right now is that it looks like a Mustang. A '66-68 Mustang Fastback. And in 2006 they are now offering the "Pony" Package. That now makes it look like the '64 1/2- '66 Notchback.And here in the states, a fully loaded 5-Speed is $29,480. Bob Lutz is an idiot, He needs to make this more retro than this. Hell my 6 year old can draw a better looking Camaro than this. I hated the 4th gen, It looked like an oversize Geo Storm. The '85 - '92 3rd gens got better looking. They looked like a Muscle Car. But if you think this Camaro is going to be under $40,000 U.S., then I got a bridge to sell you in New York.

Plus, It's still up in the air on what GM will do with this. They are still talking about making this a "Green" (Hybrid) car, and are toying with the idea of making it FWD.

I say kill off the name Camaro:death: , before you make the same mistake you made with the GTO. It still won't out sell the Retro Mustang. People my age and older (I'm 34) want a Muscle Car, Not a Rice Burner!!!!:mad:

And just to let people know, I'm a fan of all Muscle Cars, not just one in perticular. To bad this poll didn't offer negitive numbers. I'd give it a -10 instead of the 1 I gave it. A 1 is still a positive number, This car sucks!!!!:alert: :death: :mad:

9 Maybe a few small changes, something with the front end, but overall I love it, I just hope they build it and its priced right.

I would give it a 10...The Silver Bullet scearms, "THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR,SO CUT THE CK"

Gumby,

Thank you and your team for our Camaro and thank you for the insider knowledge you've shared wirh us. :bow: :bow: :bow:

The reason that the Mustang is a hot seller right now is that it looks like a Mustang.

i disagree.. while the hot sales do have to do with a redesign.. it is not a huge seller because of it being a new design, different, unique, and it evokes emotion in a lot of people, thus promoting emotional purchase rather than practical ones..

the camaro is a great looking car, it does look very much like a muscle car, and it definately has a few details that shout to the world that it's a camaro, but it is more modern than the mustang, and in my opinion, will not stale nearly as quickly.. the fact that it's an all new design, and a great looking one .. will do the same as the redesign did for the mustang

But if you think this Camaro is going to be under $40,000 U.S., then I got a bridge to sell you in New York.

um.. Mr bob lutz himself has said otherwise.. it sounds like they got a business model all ready to go.. read:
If we were to do this car, we would ...base price it as close to twenty thousand as possible. .... .... The business case for this car would demand that we sell between a hundred and a hundred and fifty thousand a year, sort of the same volumes as the Ford Mustang. And that would mean that a V6 base car would have to be just a little bit over twenty, but certainly well south of twenty-five. And then with the top V8 versions probably either just below thirty or slightly over thirty. Then you would have a good comercial proposition...... This is not a luxury sports car. If we do it, it will be a high value popularly priced sporting coupe.

Plus, It's still up in the air on what GM will do with this. They are still talking about making this a "Green" (Hybrid) car, and are toying with the idea of making it FWD.

where the hell did you hear that? that's the biggest crock.. nevermind

If you go here

http://autoshow.msn.com/as/coverage.aspx?date=1/9/06&shw=autoshow2006

And click on streaming video for the Camaro, after the Camaro it goes right into the Dodge Challenger video.
I REALLY hate to say this (especially on this board), but DANG that Challenger looks good.
The smooth body lines actually to me look more like the 1st gen Camaro than the Camaro Concept with its crease and side-mold which look too much like Mustang for my taste. And a hi-perf. 425 hp Hemi...:bow:
It might be a tough choice....

Maybe GM will smooth out the Camaro some? Please?

I hope that Chevy builds a new Camaro as much as anyone. However, this concept is a dud in my opinion. It looks that a Rap Daddy car from the Getto. If GM wants a retro look, just make it look exactly like a 68(preferred) or a 69 camaro. Add all of the modern driveline and interiors. Be hard to build enough of them. This concept looks like 69 clone went bad.

You will never please everyone all the time, the goal is to please the majority, and I think that has been done with this Camaro Concept..I love it..good job. I have owned 9 new Z28's from 78 to 99. Two were the 1Le optioned. They quit the Camaro so there is a new Mustang GT in my garage now. Build the Camaro and the Mustang will be gone, keep it under 30K, UNDER 3400 lbs, the GTO is a heavy tank. And offer the 1Le option again..but dont screw it up with AC like the later ones. Some of us want bare bones for the road course track days. NOW TELL THE WORLD IT WILL BE BUILT and Mustang sales will slow down while people wait for the return of a legend. Thanks again for keeping our hope's and dreams alive. :bow:

Awesome

Okay, after reading a lot of posts, I feel the need to chime in. .........
Everyone has an opinion on what they believe should be done, but you HAVE to give props to the design..........
Peace,
Gumby

Gumby, thanks for chiming in.. I love it when people who actually worked behind the scenes give their input..

i know it may seem like we are nit picking the concept to no end with our recommendations for changes.. but please understand, we wouldnt even bother if we didnt care.. everyone here loves the Camaro, and a lot of them absolutely love the concept.. and everyone's opinion is different on the details.. but overall i think that everyone who's left comments here has definately given props to the design, i know i have

love the ass-end and the sides also like most of interior. but the front "no"

i would like to see it with the front end from 1970.

that would be sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

I love these changes guys! :thumb: :bow:

http://home.comcast.net/~builder228/stuff/choppedlights.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~builder228/stuff/BlueBillet.jpg

The more and more I look at this car, the more and more I see MUSTANG on the side :think: (doors into the rear quarters). I LOVE the car and I gave it a 9 out of 10 (always room for improvement, right? ;)) but I've shown the picture to a few guys at work, and almost ALL of them have said "that looks a lot like a Mustang".

Regretably, I somewhat agree :shrug:.

A couple examples:

http://www.modernracer.com/images/mustanggtside1.jpg

http://www.irancar.com/images/Gallery-larg-1024-768/FORD/ford_mustang_gt_convertible_2003_03_m.jpg

The interior is alright though. Sure, maybe it's a little "flashy concept" looking, but I'm sure a production version would be more realistic and user-friendly.

Overall, I like what I see, and can't wait to see it live, in person this weekend at the show :yes:.

Thank you for chiming in gumby. I would love to someday be in your position, doing something for GM. I think I'd like to work for GM, only I don't know what I have to offer.

I have seen a lot of posts regarding the grille, taillights, and other little details. The way I see it, whatever Chevrolet does not "fix" for the people that could do without certain things on the concept, can always be changed with the abundant aftermarket world we have today. I was not blown away by the grille at first, or the taillights, or even the exhaust pipes....but I must say once I saw it in person today at the LA Auto Show, It looks for lack of a better word, PERFECT. Let's face it, car can be modified via aftermarket accessories.

I agree and remember in the 4th gens the front clip changed during the years it was built as did the tail lights and the dash and consol. I just want it built and give GM room to change a little each year. It will not stay the same year after year anyway. On this first one I love everything about it even the grill and there is nothing I want changed on this first car. I will buy one just as is and so will my wife we love it and it is just the way we wanted it to be. I gave it a 10 all the way and yes I saw it up close and personal being there.

Personally im just happy the Camaro is coming back. At the same time i am a little dissapointed and think GM could of done alot better with the design. I think the front end looks bad along with the interior(which im not really worried about bc they will change the interior for production). I just want more of a muscle car look and an SS with 450hp just to make sure the charger and challenger cant keep up(i know the hp on the camaro is limited bc of the vette but not everyone can afford one or wants one!). I was hoping for a look more along the lines of these....
http://dubs.unixprohost.com/arnoli/5th_gen_Camaro_concept_rear

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0312phr_fifthgen_04_z.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forums.streetfire.net/showthread.php%3Ft%3D1432&h=480&w=640&sz=119&tbnid=0PyZvFXH8i4J:&tbnh=101&tbnw=135&hl=en&start=12&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcamaro%2Bconcept%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3D en%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

I agree with 93SS tho....just take the 69 bodystyle with a few minor improvments and add the modern driveline and interior. Now that would be my dream car.

How much better could they have done? The most common complaint is the grille openings are too large, that is an easy fix for Chevy to make.
That is my one complaint.

I agree w/ the ones who like the concept model. I think it rocks!!!

Thro, I would like to see the TransAm version come back out, also.

Put 'er into production!!!

I was hoping for a look more along the lines of these....
http://dubs.unixprohost.com/arnoli/5th_gen_Camaro_concept_rear

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0312phr_fifthgen_04_z.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forums.streetfire.net/showthread.php%3Ft%3D1432&h=480&w=640&sz=119&tbnid=0PyZvFXH8i4J:&tbnh=101&tbnw=135&hl=en&start=12&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcamaro%2Bconcept%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3D en%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN



Man, no offense to Kris Horton, but I am REALLY glad that they did not end up looking like that.

9.
love most of the car (and will buy it regardless if it looks close to this in production) but I think the grill needs attention and I don't care for the little scoop opening in the front. If your gonna do that put it on the hood so we can change it out easier (which it would probably be anyway since in production the hood lines will likely go all the way down)

Make it in SOM please!!!

excellent!! 10 +!! but seriously, stop screaming about that amatuerish kris horton thing! that looked like some high schooler drew his dream muscle car and stamped a chevy badge on it! great for evoking emossion but hardly what any "grown" adult would be caught dead driving in. the thing looked like a CARTOON!!

oh and remember, modern cars suck because everyone puts their 2 cents in on the design and it gets mutilated. just keep the comments to things that we know will help gm sell hundereds of thousands of these and not what will just please one persons opinion.

So far...

85.46% Voted 8 or above.

BUILD THAT ****

:cool:

I rated the concept camaro at a 4. i dont know what everyone sees in it. I looks too much like they took ideas from the charger and the c6, then put em togehter and said "Here ya go". first, its got too many sharp edges. for christ sake tone down the crease on the side, second its too tall, the body is just too thick. the tail lights look like they wanted the c6 idea but forgot to finish them(they look cut off). someone mentioned a spoiler, WHAT SPOILER. give it somthin that sticks up 3 or 4 inches, not out 2. the interior has its ups and downs. its too simple yet too complex. first off, i like gages, lots and lots of guages. i wanna know whats doin what. this aint got squat for gages. second, give me a good place to put my damn radio. loud music is good, but i cant do it with that piss ass factory radio. also what the hell were they thinking?? "WOOD GRAIN" trim. come on now this is 2006 not 1982. lastly the engine. humm, lets see. knowing chevy they will put a big v6 in it, ya know, like a 3.8L supercharged, with the option of a 4.9L or maby a 5.0 if your lucky. for christ sake give me some horsepower. an LT1 or an LS1 would be great. especially if it came stock with a 5.0 H.O. the fifth gen camaro needs to be a car of sportie looks and raw power. the best part of the car is that it has a wide wheel base and big rims, not the little 14 or 15" wheels cars get now days. now dont get me wrong the car has potential, but it needs work. like i said i like the wide wheel base, and the grille. the grill brings back some of that great look of the camaros of 40 years ago. and for god sake give me some damn t-tops.

and the c6

no surprise it has c6 design elements since a lot of the same team designed both cars

the tail lights look like they wanted the c6 idea but forgot to finish them(they look cut off).

the early 2nd gens had round taillights, i think they were trying to evoke that, while making it look modern and edgy.. they arent what i'd have done, but i like em

someone mentioned a spoiler, WHAT SPOILER.

at least there is something there, i don't think the leaked clay model had any spoiler whatsoever.. doesnt matter anyway, spoilers are easy to replace with aftermarket parts


"WOOD GRAIN" trim. come on now this is 2006 not 1982.

i don't know where you got that from, there is no wood grain trim


lastly the engine. humm, lets see. knowing chevy they will put a big v6 in it, ya know, like a 3.8L supercharged, with the option of a 4.9L or maby a 5.0 if your lucky. for christ sake give me some horsepower. an LT1 or an LS1 would be great. especially if it came stock with a 5.0 H.O.

um.. those are old tech.. the concept has an LS2.. 400 horsepower. i'd say that's a lot of horsepower.. the base car will probably have at least 240hp

the fifth gen camaro needs to be a car of sportie looks and raw power.

check, and check.. this concept for the fifth gen has got both

I rated the concept camaro at a 4. i dont know what everyone sees in it. I looks too much like they took ideas from the charger and the c6, then put em togehter and said "Here ya go". first, its got too many sharp edges. for christ sake tone down the crease on the side, second its too tall, the body is just too thick. the tail lights look like they wanted the c6 idea but forgot to finish them(they look cut off). someone mentioned a spoiler, WHAT SPOILER. give it somthin that sticks up 3 or 4 inches, not out 2. the interior has its ups and downs. its too simple yet too complex. first off, i like gages, lots and lots of guages. i wanna know whats doin what. this aint got squat for gages. second, give me a good place to put my damn radio. loud music is good, but i cant do it with that piss ass factory radio. also what the hell were they thinking?? "WOOD GRAIN" trim. come on now this is 2006 not 1982. lastly the engine. humm, lets see. knowing chevy they will put a big v6 in it, ya know, like a 3.8L supercharged, with the option of a 4.9L or maby a 5.0 if your lucky. for christ sake give me some horsepower. an LT1 or an LS1 would be great. especially if it came stock with a 5.0 H.O. the fifth gen camaro needs to be a car of sportie looks and raw power. the best part of the car is that it has a wide wheel base and big rims, not the little 14 or 15" wheels cars get now days. now dont get me wrong the car has potential, but it needs work. like i said i like the wide wheel base, and the grille. the grill brings back some of that great look of the camaros of 40 years ago. and for god sake give me some damn t-tops.

Woa Woa Woa......Wait a second....you want the new Camaro to have an LT1 or LS1 in it? hahahaha. You mentioned a 4.9, and a 5.0 if we're lucky? hahahaha, brilliant :lol:

I rated the concept camaro at a 4. i dont know what everyone sees in it. I looks too much like they took ideas from the charger and the c6, then put em togehter and said "Here ya go". first, its got too many sharp edges. for christ sake tone down the crease on the side, second its too tall, the body is just too thick. the tail lights look like they wanted the c6 idea but forgot to finish them(they look cut off). someone mentioned a spoiler, WHAT SPOILER. give it somthin that sticks up 3 or 4 inches, not out 2. the interior has its ups and downs. its too simple yet too complex. first off, i like gages, lots and lots of guages. i wanna know whats doin what. this aint got squat for gages. second, give me a good place to put my damn radio. loud music is good, but i cant do it with that piss ass factory radio. also what the hell were they thinking?? "WOOD GRAIN" trim. come on now this is 2006 not 1982. lastly the engine. humm, lets see. knowing chevy they will put a big v6 in it, ya know, like a 3.8L supercharged, with the option of a 4.9L or maby a 5.0 if your lucky. for christ sake give me some horsepower. an LT1 or an LS1 would be great. especially if it came stock with a 5.0 H.O. the fifth gen camaro needs to be a car of sportie looks and raw power. the best part of the car is that it has a wide wheel base and big rims, not the little 14 or 15" wheels cars get now days. now dont get me wrong the car has potential, but it needs work. like i said i like the wide wheel base, and the grille. the grill brings back some of that great look of the camaros of 40 years ago. and for god sake give me some damn t-tops. Should we completely ignore him?

Gumby,

Like I said in my post, the two most important things about this concept are:

1. Build it ASAP. Since you said this is a mature "prototype" kinda like the C6 Vette was when it was released, get this baby out SOON, like MY 2007.5 if possible.

2. Build it affordable. Base around or under $25K, Z28 in the high 20s, and GM will have a winner. Break through that $30K barrier (except maybe for a select top-end model) and customer base will fall off quickly.

Thanks again for your post, and have a good one,
Mike

K, that's my 2 cents worth. Let me end with my perfected Camaro, since I so desparately wanted my ideal design as well. See the light catcher above the rocker? I want it to pierce all the way to the rear or the car. (it would finish that gesture) I want to shorten the overhangs, and get the wheels as far as humanly possible to the corners. (ultra modern) I would let the headlights be a part of the design. and not hidden. Possibly cutting into the lower grille opening like angry eyes. I would change the taillights to something with more bling, and lastly, beef up the side mirrors. I am going to have to buy one when it hits, and make my perfected version. (maybe if I have a few minutes to my name I'll p-shop my version up, and post it.)


Peace,
Gumby

I'd be very interested to see your PS'd version of the Camaro.

Also Gumby, thank you for your passion. I'm glad people like you are working on MY car.

I gave it a 5, that may be harsh, but the concept camaro didn't grab my interest like the new Mustang did or the new Challenger Concept did. Which saddens me because I have always been a GM fan. I just think they could have done better. I didn't like the grill and the tail end looks too short. The tail lamps and exhaust tips need to go as well. I think it would have done even better if it was closer in style to a 69 with minor tweaks to make it more modern. I think they tryed to hard not to make it a carbon copy. They need to round off the edges some and be more true to the original body lines like the competition did with thier concepts. Just my $.02 I couldn't afford one anyway, but want to see them come back. :)

I gave it a 9, one point deducted due to the interior, well mainly the gauges that looked lame and near useless. I know production would be nowhere near that but as the thread stated, rate the concept. I'm not crazy on the two main gauges in the standard position w/ aux gauges down on the console either. Frankly I'd like a more modern wrap around cockpit design to the interior anyway.

Based on the general shape, style, proportions, chiselled features, etc, well the exterior in general really, I would have given the car a 10 if it had a somewhat more modern Camaro-esque interior. I love the exterior more and more every pic and video of it I see...

:) I think it looks great and am already saving!!! Kev!! GET HER DONE!!

I'll give it a tentative 8 until I get a chance to see what Chevrolet does with the concept and I get to test drive one.

I gave it a 9. Overall it looks great but it could use a little tweaking.

What I think will look great is if they changed the roofline a bit like in this Firebird concept over on TGO.

http://thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php?s=&postid=2696285#post2696285

:)

I gave it a 9. Overall it looks great but it could use a little tweaking.

What I think will look great is if they changed the roofline a bit like in this Firebird concept over on TGO.

http://thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php?s=&postid=2696285#post2696285

:)

I like everything on the chop for a Smoky and Bandit Firebird other than the sky part. But not for the Camaro...

gave it a 9. The interior is too concept to grasp, and I am not entirely nuts about the tailights either. But the thing is awesome from the front and sides and I can tell you that if they build it even close to the concept car, I will be buying it!

The car is unbelievable!:eek:

I rated the concept camaro at a 4. i dont know what everyone sees in it. I looks too much like they took ideas from the charger and the c6, then put em togehter and said "Here ya go". first, its got too many sharp edges. for christ sake tone down the crease on the side, second its too tall, the body is just too thick. the tail lights look like they wanted the c6 idea but forgot to finish them(they look cut off). someone mentioned a spoiler, WHAT SPOILER. give it somthin that sticks up 3 or 4 inches, not out 2. the interior has its ups and downs. its too simple yet too complex. first off, i like gages, lots and lots of guages. i wanna know whats doin what. this aint got squat for gages. second, give me a good place to put my damn radio. loud music is good, but i cant do it with that piss ass factory radio. also what the hell were they thinking?? "WOOD GRAIN" trim. come on now this is 2006 not 1982. lastly the engine. humm, lets see. knowing chevy they will put a big v6 in it, ya know, like a 3.8L supercharged, with the option of a 4.9L or maby a 5.0 if your lucky. for christ sake give me some horsepower. an LT1 or an LS1 would be great. especially if it came stock with a 5.0 H.O. the fifth gen camaro needs to be a car of sportie looks and raw power. the best part of the car is that it has a wide wheel base and big rims, not the little 14 or 15" wheels cars get now days. now dont get me wrong the car has potential, but it needs work. like i said i like the wide wheel base, and the grille. the grill brings back some of that great look of the camaros of 40 years ago. and for god sake give me some damn t-tops.
I still can't figure out if this is a sarcastic post or not...

Unless he has hugely misunderstood what sarcasm is, no. I think he's just not too bright.

Typical GM - designed by too many people, with no coherence..just as the new vette looks like an acura NSX from many angles, the camaro has too many vette cues in it. Also the nose looks like something more at home on a cadillac. GM's always look like a mishmash of styling cues from cars they already make, or somebody elses.

the challenger concept got it right.. it at least looks like it was designed by a team that had a common vision. same with the 'stang.

I thought GM screwed up the camaro by making the 4th gen too similar to the geo storm in overall looks.. they still can't get it right.

they make good trucks though.. as far as Camaros, I'm happy with my 69.

Tom

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Still trying to swallow the front-end whole... but I'm in love with everything else. I pray production will keep those wheels. Doubt it though. :)

(can't find the link, but the pic is on page 4)

those t-tops are so bad ass, i'd buy 1 w/ em in a heartbeat, (cherry red or onyx black ss w/ black interior and those t-tops, d*mn, huh?) :bow:

OK Chevy. You've come up with another Camaro. I've had two. First, '84, was bogged down with smog emission crap and rusted out within 4 years.
Second one, '89, gave me nothing but trouble, breaking down at the most inappropriate moments. Clutch pin kept breaking, 3 three times, and the engine would not reduce the RPMs when I stopped the car. Nothing like sitting there with the engine going at 5000 rpms. Had to turn it off and wait an hour or so before starting it again. (happened about 6 times and had to have the catalitic converter replaced) Didn't find out that it was a bad "mass air sensor" until after I sold the car at a loss. A friend had the same problem and their mechanic took the time to find out what was causing the problem.
Of course the Chevrolet official "consumer trouble department" didn't even answer my inquiries and the three, that's "3", dealers I took the car to, never fixed the problem. (mass air sensor)
Hope Chevy does a better job on this one.

That's what you get for buying 1 bad 3rd gen, not learning your lesson or doing your homework and buying a second one.

I'm just chiming in to voice my disgust with retro interiors. I don't find them interesting in a concept vehicle, and any hint of it in a production vehicle would be a dealbreaker. The instrument cluster on the new mustang is hideous. Give the camaro a modern gauge layout, please! :bow:

not to burst anyones bubble but the look of the camaro concept really let me down. its not retro. i mean dodge came out with the dodge challenger concept that looks like a dead ringer for a 1970 model. just look at the pics of a 70 challenger compared to the concept. i think the challenger looks better and more retro than the 05/06 current mustang GT which i wanted to buy until i saw the challenger pix. i figured chevrolet would have gone even more retro than the challenger and made their concept more like a 1969 model tho i can see some 1969 cues in the pix, maybe it needs chrome steel bumpers. the 1969 camaro is of course the most popular camaro body style IMHO.

i have always been a mopar guy with an open mind for other performance cars, and my brother was always a chevy guy. he owned 2 1968 camaros, at the same time i had my 1969 charger R/T 440 4 speed. one of his camaros was a base model with a 327, and the other was an SS/RS 350. some of mopar has rubbed off on him as he drives a dodge ram SLT pickup, and has a dodge ram work van. he still has his SS/RS tho. i currently have a 1994 chevy 1500 pickup and just sold a clean frame off restored 1960 el camino i spent 5 years restoring, so obviously some of the bow tie has rubbed off on me too. i also have a 1988 dodge daytona shelby Z i am currently restoring.

i am looking for my next muscle car toy and am saving my pennies. i am not biased and would concider anything tasty from either ford, chrysler, or GM. however to be honest ford always kept the equasion right with the mustang like it or not this is a fact. mustang like camaro and firebird were always youth oriented cars. problem with camaro and firebird towards the end of their lifespan is in order to get the hot set of wheels brand new you had to pile on the options just to get the hot engine combos. most buyers of these types of cars are males from the ages of 18 to 24. the price of a tarted up camaro SS brand new just to get the hot V8 engine was cost prohibitive, but a base mustang GT with V8 was more affordable. i feel this reason alone caused the demise of the camaro firebird twins. money talks. and if you cant sell these cars "brand new" in high volume, as a car manufacturer you pull the plug.

lets look at the current mustang GT. you can get the base deluxe GT hardtop fastback with 5 speed manual, 300HP V8 (after january 2006 its now 340HP), hi po clutch, positraction, big disc brakes, heavy duty suspension and beefy swaybars, and 2.50 inch mandrel bent dual exhaust for $25K. this particular model car also comes standard with power windows, power locks, tilt, cruise, 140 MPH speedometer, air conditioning and rear spoiler delete. all this for $25K before even adding options. you can add options like different wheels, dash upgrade, leather interior, better sound system etc. onto its base price. if you can live with a plain black dash, and cloth seats then $25K isnt a bad price for what you get in a new mustang GT before you pile on the options is it

this all being said if chevy and dodge want a piece of mustangs pie they need to do the same as what ford is doing now. keep a reasonable base price around $25K on the V8 performance models to get the 18 to 24 year old males in the showroom to buy the V8 hottie performance model at a reasonable price, and make the leather interior, upgraded stereos, and other options available above the base performance coupe price.

will GM, and chrysler do this?? i remain hopeful that they will follow fords lead on this. if they dont then they will arguably sell a whole lot less of their muscle cars than ford will in the coming years. mustang sales are approximately 200,000 cars per year 50,000 of them are GTs so its obvious they got it right on price.

you can email me at moparmat2000@aol.com i would love to discuss muscle cars with you

[Quote] the best part of the car is that it has a wide wheel base and big rims, not the little 14 or 15" wheels cars get now days.

what is this guy talking about?? 14 or 15" wheels??? most cars today ride on 17" wheels stock!! hell even new dodge 1/2 ton SLT pickups ride on 20s STOCK!!. mustang GTs come standard with 17" wheels and optional 18" wheels. its time to wake up and enter the new millenium dude. 15" wheels went out of vogue in the 1980s

lets look at the current mustang GT. you can get the base deluxe GT hardtop fastback with 5 speed manual, 300HP V8 (after january 2006 its now 340HP),

Huh?

340? Sorry...nope. Mustang has always been slow to increase HP. I doubt the new Camaro scares them THAT much. Starting a HP war with the Camaro is pointless, ford goes there with the Cobra only, not the base Mustang.

And if you want a retro car, then buy a dodge. Kuddos to the design team for not doing very much work by completly copying a car. Camaro doesn't look retro...it's not supposed to. Get that out of your thick skull. The 5th Gen Camaro is the offspring of the muscle car. He isn't supposed to look just like his parents, but he has similarities.

Huh?

i have been doing research on the new 06 mustang GT to possibly buy one, that is until i see a production ready challenger and camaro. only then will i decide on one of the 3 to buy. the new 2006 mustang GTs with a build date after january 1st 2006 have revised intake manifolds, exhaust manifolds, cylinder heads and cams, and a slightly tweaked computer. this was originally to up the fuel economy from 25MPG highway to 27MPG highway on 5 speed models. this upping of effiency in the engine also had the dubious effect of increasing the HP 40 more to 340 HP and upping the torque 20 more from 320 foot Lbs to 340 foot Lbs. this is unbiased and is fact.

If so, tell us where you got the information. If you want to say something that you wish to be believed as fact, people need more than you just saying so, give us a source.

I have a 500HP 3.4L Camaro. I have no dyno sheets. Just trust me =).

i have been doing research on the new 06 mustang GT to possibly buy one, that is until i see a production ready challenger and camaro. only then will i decide on one of the 3 to buy. the new 2006 mustang GTs with a build date after january 1st 2006 have revised intake manifolds, exhaust manifolds, cylinder heads and cams, and a slightly tweaked computer. this was originally to up the fuel economy from 25MPG highway to 27MPG highway on 5 speed models. this upping of effiency in the engine also had the dubious effect of increasing the HP 40 more to 340 HP and upping the torque 20 more from 320 foot Lbs to 340 foot Lbs. this is unbiased and is fact.

Not that I doubt you...I hope you're right. But I follow these sorts of things VERY closely, and this is the first I've heard of it. BTW, the Ford website still has hp listed at 300.

i have a friend who is a local ford dealer wrench. one of the salesmen showed him a recent official ford dealer press release detailing the changes made to the cars engine for performance and economy to start with january 06 models of GT. the reason ford originally did this was to try to get more fuel economy out of the V8 GT since at $2.30 or more per gallon you now got to show you can get good fuel economy along with performance. however as a side effect by making the engine breathe more efficiently they also got more power as an added bonus. i doubt this had anything to do with a HP race with the camaro which has a couple years to go before its produced anyways. the dealer brochures are already printed up for the year. changes are made as the manufacturer sees fit and may not be on the brochures.

If they are being built now, why doesn't Ford talk about it?

340? Sorry...nope. Mustang has always been slow to increase HP. I doubt the new Camaro scares them THAT much. Starting a HP war with the Camaro is pointless, ford goes there with the Cobra only, not the base Mustang.

And if you want a retro car, then buy a dodge. Kuddos to the design team for not doing very much work by completly copying a car. Camaro doesn't look retro...it's not supposed to. Get that out of your thick skull. The 5th Gen Camaro is the offspring of the muscle car. He isn't supposed to look just like his parents, but he has similarities.

thick skull

OUCH!! dont take it all so personal. i like all muscle cars. just some shapes more than others. you should read the rest of my original post about pricing. i am only saying that the mustang GT in base deluxe form is priced right. it always has been.

GM got piggish with the money and the only way to get the hot V8 models was to pile on the options to get the V8. most 18 to 24 year old males who want a new muscle car dont have a lot of cash but want the V8. mustang was always bang for the buck the old LX 5.0 was even more so. not that i didnt like the 3rd and 4th gen cars but when you can save $7k on a strippo GT over buying a full tilt loaded 4th gen SS kudos to the stang my friend.

we can all hope GM and Chry.co. follow fords lead and make affordable performance versions of these cars, and make the options exactly that options to be added on top of the performance base package. this is why the mustang is so successful even when GM was failing their market demographic with the 4th gen cars so miserably with the high pricetag on them.

dont get so testy man its only a forum. keep an open mind. there is much to learn about everything.

If they are being built now, why doesn't Ford talk about it?

i dunno. i dont work for ford. i am sure once all the 300HP engines that are already built are in the cars and the 340 HP engines are being installed they will make an official release to the public, or maybe they wont. maybe they will get somebody with an early 06 300HP car whining that he wants the better engine, and is pissed off. who knows what. i do know that the stock 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust system flows so good that when hot rod magazine swapped on flowmasters the car made no more power on the dyno.

Sorry, I'm just tired of people saying it's not retro enough, or even worse, people saying it's too retro (huh?). I was being a little aprehensive. I apologize.

Sounds like a reasonable source...I reluctantly believe you. Reluctant because I don't want to....However, it would be a fun test drive when it comes out =).

[QUOTE=MarcR94v6]340? Sorry...nope. Mustang has always been slow to increase HP. I doubt the new Camaro scares them THAT much. Starting a HP war with the Camaro is pointless, ford goes there with the Cobra only, not the base Mustang.

if you actually read my post before firing off some hate mail you would have read that the reason ford did this was to increase the V8s fuel economy to help its sales in this environment of ever climbing gas prices. the increased power was a welcome side effect but was not the original intention of the redesign. i dont think this was in response to a camaro that until now has only been a rumor running around with concept drawings.

come on man get some common sense. i like all muscle cars but i also like bang for the buck. id rather get the strippo V8 performance version, and spend my extra cash hopping it up, than having to buy all the extra weight adding money sapping options just to have the V8.

I could not have read your post before firing off, because what you quoted was posted 4 minutes before you explained yourself.

Read my 2 posts above you.

Now let's stop bickering and get back to the topic....

I'm still surprised that we have less than 500 votes, with all the members we have on the site. It seems many people jsut don't read this forum all that much.

Typical GM - designed by too many people, with no coherence..just as the new vette looks like an acura NSX from many angles, the camaro has too many vette cues in it. Also the nose looks like something more at home on a cadillac. GM's always look like a mishmash of styling cues from cars they already make, or somebody elses.

the challenger concept got it right.. it at least looks like it was designed by a team that had a common vision. same with the 'stang.

I thought GM screwed up the camaro by making the 4th gen too similar to the geo storm in overall looks.. they still can't get it right.

they make good trucks though.. as far as Camaros, I'm happy with my 69.

Tom


:wtf:

You're right, it takes more vision to make an exact copy of a 70 classic, than it does to a make a modern car with retro cues in it.

Perfect sense.

a beautiful machine,i think i believe in god again,just try to make the car look a little bit less "angry" and its perfect

I am very disappointed in this concept because it is so unaerodynamic, especially the front end. I want a car with a low coefficient of drag to save on fuel as much as possible. Why can't it look more like the C6? Gas prices will be going up exponentially and will be up in the stratosphere by the time this car is produced, making this concept unaffordable to fuel.

I am very disappointed in this concept because it is so unaerodynamic, especially the front end. I want a car with a low coefficient of drag to save on fuel as much as possible. Why can't it look more like the C6? Gas prices will be going up exponentially and will be up in the stratosphere by the time this car is produced, making this concept unaffordable to fuel.
Wait till you get the test on this car before you worry about that and have you looked at all the other cars coming out these days this car will cut the air way better than most and I have seen it close up.

Unless you're an designer/engineer, you have no place to say that anything is or isn't aerodynamic.

I am very disappointed in this concept because it is so unaerodynamic, especially the front end. I want a car with a low coefficient of drag to save on fuel as much as possible. Why can't it look more like the C6? Gas prices will be going up exponentially and will be up in the stratosphere by the time this car is produced, making this concept unaffordable to fuel.

You're kidding, right? You think you can do aero work off of a press release photo?

And, if gas prices are going up exponentially, then we'll all be walking within a month!

C'mon, if you don't like the car, then just say so! All this pseudo-engineeringspeak just makes you look, well, dumb.

I voted a 9. The concept puts tears of joy in my eyes, but it need s few minor tweaks. The grill, header panel opening, and the interior needs to be modernized more.

Other than those things I would have voted a 10.

I am very disappointed in this concept because it is so unaerodynamic, especially the front end. I want a car with a low coefficient of drag to save on fuel as much as possible. Why can't it look more like the C6? Gas prices will be going up exponentially and will be up in the stratosphere by the time this car is produced, making this concept unaffordable to fuel.

Mr. Gonta,

I suggest that you resist shopping for a sports coupe and continue driving your Geo Metro. If you absolutely must have a new vehicle that is aerodynamically perfect and gets the best fuel mileage possible, you should consider building yourself a recumbent bicycle with enclosed bubble fairing and a two horsepower DC electric motor with a drycell for its power source. You could actually do pretty well on an autocross course with something like that, I'd imagine.

However, gas mileage and aerodynamics are probably not at the very top of the list of Camaro engineering priorities. Driver emotion, driving excitement, and styling are probably closer to the top for this particular concept.

the car is beautifull every inch, is just like one member said "its pure sex"
i give it a 10 it gives you the very definition of what a muscle car means

the car is beautifull every inch, is just like one member said "its pure sex"
i give it a 10 it gives you the very definition of what a muscle car means


x2...it looks TOTALLY BADAZZ:bow:

If you are looking for good gas mileage, go buy a 4-banger:p

If you want a fast,chick-flocking sports car, you will buy the new CAMARO:D

I waited to post here until I really looked at every little thing and got a real feel for the car. I gave it a 7 and still feel it's too 1st Gen retro.

-The front of this car needs work. The grill is just wrong, (can't say that enough) that scoop before the hood is wrong, the headlights being that recessed are wrong, the front lower GFX/spoiler should at least be even with the bumper or extend a little more. The headlights and parking lights are just a little weird. Hopefully there'll be an RS option with hideaways flush with the grill opening or something.

-The back needs work. The taillights should be made a solid piece but retain that edge shape, kinda like the 67 RS. (someone PSed this and it was real nice) It should at least be an option or available on higher models, right now it has a kind of 68 RS kinda-not look. Put the back up lights in that bumper somewhere, there's certainly lots of room. The spoiler is terrible, like an afterthought. It absolutely needs to be much higher and needs to extend the whole length of the back, not just the trunk only. The fake tips are lousy, some nice regular angle cut tips would be way better than those tips inside tips.

-The side is nice, not sure if I'd change anything. Quarter windows aren't necessary though.

-Take those 2 lines off of the roof and the lines that go from the pillars over the windows are unnecessary too. Also, I feel the car is about an inch too high, lower that roofline some if possible.

-The interior needs the gauges, console, and shifter redesigned. Enough with full-out retro dashes, but if you're gonna make the dash where the speedometer (should be on left) and tach are (should be on right) round like the 67/68's and not square like the 69's, it'd look way better.

Overall, I like the car, it's just a little too retro and too 1st Gen. I can see some 3rd Gen in it but it's not enough IMO, and it's probably really because 3rds happen to have some decently similar lines to the 67 and 68's in places. (and that's the only other Gen in it besides the 68/69 years) This car needs to get the models right and each must have unique looks and performance. The Z28 must be the top model. :) Or else. ;)

Hell No! It just los the 1/4 windows short doors and rear window and just ruined the back seat and trunk. Nice job on the chop though...



i loved it, with the wrap around rear window, it's awesome

gave it a 9. i love it personally but with the gauges being in the floor you know places like motortrend and car and driver are going to complain.

I've always wanted to own a Camaro ever since I graduated from high school. I promised myself that I would buy a black SS upon receiving my diploma from college. When GM decided to stop making the Camaro, I was disheartened and had to settle for a much inferior competitor's car, you know which one I'm talking about. Hope has been restored and I will most definately own the new Camaro, if and when it goes on sale.

a beautiful machine,i think i believe in god again,just try to make the car look a little bit less "angry" and its perfect

Sorry to hear that. Nothing says "kindly move out of my way before I pass you on the shoulder," like an aggressive if not angry looking front end.

if you look at the camaros through the generations you can see the family linage and evolution to the current fourth gen. even the "catfish" grill in the 4th gen harkens back to the 70-73 second gens. the shape of the b-pilliar goes back to the second gens also. however the design was not retro, but a progression. this design is soley a retro design. as if you took a 69 and updated it for 2009. one of the most endering factors to the GM and even more the Chevrolet product lines is that in just about every model you can see the family linage and progression through evolution through the years. if you stacked every chevy truck year for year next to eachother you can follow it, same with the vette. even though the C6 uses some cues from earlier generation vettes, it also encompasses a further development of the C5 it replaced. this car does none of that for the Camaro. in a period where ford and dodge are using their past glory to trump sales (with the exception of the charger, cuz they are just using the name and trying like hell to make it cool) you would think GM would look forward and step away from the pack. the rendering that has been posted in other threads, altho not completly correct, is the direction i think that the boys at the bowtie works would and should go.

yes i am happy that they are talking big V-8 and rear wheel drive, that tickles me no end. however, if you are going to call it a name that has as much history as this one does then the shape and feel of the car should reflect that. and as pointed out earlier in this thread, by the time this hits production peole will have tired of the whole retro thing.
we should learn from history, not repeat it

after looking at this car for a few days and reading feedback from a number of sites i feel i must qualify my remarks about this concept car. i like the design, it is very clean and muscular as a car of this type should be. it is a bit over the top as a concept car should be. i guess it is more that i am dissapointed, because i expected something else. i expected a continuation of the line that we have been seeing over the last 35 years.

i own three of the for current generations, a 1st, 3rd, and 4th, we are looking for a 2nd gen and we may buy the 5th should it hit production, so we have a full set. and this may be where my predication to a further evolved 5th gen comes from. if you cannot see the design trends that carry from one generation to the next and evolve in the existing 4 generations, then maybe you havent looked hard enough. the short deck long hood is prevealnt for all generations, the grill and headlight placement of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th gen shadow eachother. the 2nd gen went from the small rear windo to the wrap around rear window that caused a distinct b-pillar shape, and is further drawn out in the 3rd gen with the b-pillar leaning forward, and then nicely rounded in the 4th gen. being a design professional i noticed these little details.

yes it has been the record as of the last few years that concept cars are closer to their production cousins, but this is not the traditional way that automakers have preformed in the past. i imagine the resonse from the media and the surveys that GM is taking about this car is very overwhelming, and very positive. but as FbodFather said there will be alot of the fbody faithful that will be dissapointed. some see the "retro" and "heritage" styling as the same thing, a lack of fresh idea and inspriation.

to that end, i applaud GM for seeing that they need to be in the 2-door rear drive v-8 market, as they do make the best v-8 ever designed. as the chevrolet division again out sold the whole ford company, yes the first time in 19 years, but before that it was something like 25years running, the competion seems not to be the great factor it may have been in the past.

i predict that the bowtie boys will sell this thing like it was going outta style, particulary if they do some of the wild off center stuff that chevrolet is famous for. like offerin limited editions that have WAY too much power etc. as evident by the introduction of the C-6 and the C-6 Z06, chevrolet has been known to deliver the most "bang for the buck" and i imagine that they will continue to deliver.

I went with an 8.

I think it needs a Nascar style rear spoiler, like the current Monte Carlo SS (like mine!). Lose the mirrors and steal the ones off the Belair concept. Straighten the front end so it doesn't droop in the center, it looks mashed down in the middle. It's distracting when you see both the side and front end at the same time. Oh, and change the grille, it's hideous. That's the few things I don't like about it.

I give it a solid 3.

GM needs to tone this thing down if it is to be taken seriously. They keep going on and on about this being based on the 69 camaro. that is an insult to every 69 out there. Lose the bling, get back to basic styling ( who REALLY likes the 21? & 22" wheels?)

What I can't figure out is why so many nit pic a show car and thats what it is. When it goes into production it will have those looks but it will not have that fancy a interior which was for the show and it will not have 21 and 22 inch wheels as the man said so. Those that do not like the grille I drove around the city this evening and looked at all the brand new cars on the road and never saw so many ugly grilles on these new cars. The one on the new Camaro beats anything out there. The most ugly part of a 4th gen starting in 98 was the grille and when SLP came out with a opt. everyone or at least most got the opt. and changed theirs. If you don't like the one it has change it youself. Never got a car in my life I did not make changes to whay do you think any car company is going to please everyone of you just the way you see things. When and if they build it and its very close to what I see now I will love to have a new camaro once more and then go to work on the upgrades I want on it.

Some are like a kid that ask for candy and when he gets it says well I don't like nuts in mine just be glad you may get some is all I can say.

Not all but alot of the comments on some of the boards sounds just like a bunch of spoiled kids thats got to have every last thing their way or else.
and thats my .02 cents worth

What I can't figure out is why so many nit pic a show car and thats what it is. When it goes into production it will have those looks but it will not have that fancy a interior which was for the show and it will not have 21 and 22 inch wheels as the man said so. Those that do not like the grille I drove around the city this evening and looked at all the brand new cars on the road and never saw so many ugly grilles on these new cars. The one on the new Camaro beats anything out there. The most ugly part of a 4th gen starting in 98 was the grille and when SLP came out with a opt. everyone or at least most got the opt. and changed theirs. If you don't like the one it has change it youself. Never got a car in my life I did not make changes to whay do you think any car company is going to please everyone of you just the way you see things. When and if they build it and its very close to what I see now I will love to have a new camaro once more and then go to work on the upgrades I want on it.

Some are like a kid that ask for candy and when he gets it says well I don't like nuts in mine just be glad you may get some is all I can say.

Not all but alot of the comments on some of the boards sounds just like a bunch of spoiled kids thats got to have every last thing their way or else.
and thats my .02 cents worth

Just be glad you got some? Thats how the 4th gen lost the trunk and back seat... You nit pick the car because you want the best result come production. Thats the whole point of the concept. If not it would be braggin rights for production model shows. Not everyone wants to change the grille of a car they just spent 25-30 G on... What do you think youre doing to resale btw?

What I can't figure out is why so many nit pic a show car and thats what it is.



Some are like a kid that ask for candy and when he gets it says well I don't like nuts in mine just be glad you may get some is all I can say.

Not all but alot of the comments on some of the boards sounds just like a bunch of spoiled kids thats got to have every last thing their way or else.
and thats my .02 cents worth

I don't agree with that AT ALL. This is a concept. If you have any nits to pick...well...you'd better pick those nits now.

I don't agree with that AT ALL. This is a concept. If you have any nits to pick...well...you'd better pick those nits now.
Maybe you don't but I guess you have not read all the supid stuff on some of these boards and I was being nice whan I said some nit picked it, you don't want me to write of what I really think of some that has been said and maybe more the way they said it did not come across very good and I will let it rest there

Maybe you don't but I guess you have not read all the supid stuff on some of these boards and I was being nice whan I said some nit picked it, you don't want me to write of what I really think of some that has been said and maybe more the way they said it did not come across very good and I will let it rest there

I guess people have their opinion. I thought you were talking about constructive criticism because it will change based on reaction to the concept. I try to say what might make it even better in my opinion. Cant please everyone but I personaly like the car.

I guess people have their opinion. I thought you were talking about constructive criticism because it will change based on reaction to the concept. I try to say what might make it even better in my opinion. Cant please everyone but I personaly like the car.
I agree but that is one thing and being constructive is one thing but some things go way over board. Over all I would say most like the car, but some post on the boards are people who more than likely has not really seen the car, just a few pics and when they make comments about wheel size and the pedals in the car and other things we know the production car will not get anyway and thats just some of the mild examples that you hear over and over. I will ask you how many even on this board much less all the others has really seen the car yet and you know not many.

If the car comes out what you see now other than wheels and the interior changes is whats coming and whats said from hear on out will change little if its to be built at all. Just build one and I will be happy.

i would like to see a grill that looks like the old SS with the hide away headlights the grill on the concept reminds me of the old challenger and cuda grill
http://farringtonfarms.net/pics/cool.bmp
i like the engine and performance specs, i think the interior is pretty cool as well, one of my fears is that gm will get carried away with the futuristic stuff and the speedo and tach wont be readable, large easy to see numbers is a MUST!! the body lines are amazing, would love to see the z28 and rally stripe package on it. i am the current owner of a 91 z28 and with a promising up and coming career (as im only 17) as a mechanic i am a garenteed buyer. and hopefully a few more camaros along the way, 69 z's and such. the new challenger looks great to btw.

I gave it a 6. Most of the interior needs to be redone and the front needs work...I'm also worried how it will look once it is made narrower and smaller rims are on it. And no offense, but I'll cry if they make the front end look like that :lol: ^^^

I must say it was worth the 8 hour drive to see the concept Camaro in person. I am sure there would be more higher votes if everyone saw the real car , not just a picture. By the way I was less impressed by the Challenger when I saw it.
Dan

I voted 9. I love this car, build it. :D Here is my .02. The front shot looks great. I like the grille, the little scoop, the headlights. The side shot looks great, the rims are perfect for the car, obviously they'd need to be a little smaller diameter. I love all the sharp lines, it gives the car a menacing chiseled look IMO. The rear end is growing on me. At first ( leaked pics) I didn't like it so much, but I'm starting to see a little 68 em' (taillights), though I was calling for round lights.....,close enough. I like that they're sunken in a little, seems to add a little something to em'. Since seeing some of the awesome pics posted on here, by some of the lucky ones who got to see it up close, I'm really starting to see the lines, and I like it (the rear shot)! I hope non Camaro fans will like it cause that's what they'll be seeing!:p The interior I like for the most part. The one thing for me is the guages breaking the top of the dash pad. I'd like the dash to be smooth across the top. Also I like the guages in the console, but don't care much for their faces. The HUD display, as Scott mentioned in another thread, seems like a great idea IMO, to get the info from the console guages in front of you. I haven't yet driven a car with it, but I always liked the idea. Maybe make it optional. I like the orange lighting, and stitching inside, hopefully like the GTO this would be coordinated with your exterior color choice, blue car, blue lighting & stitching, etc. Hugger Orange car orange stitching & dash lights. :p I hear the Mustang has dash lighting that can be changed with a button so the lighting shouldn't be a problem. The engine compartment is incredibly clean, obviously there will be more under there on a production model, but if the GTO is any indication, I think we will be thoroughly pleased with it. The fact that the mill isn't half way under the windsheild is a big plus in my book. :) As for the engine itself! :bow: :bow: :bow: This is what makes GM the best in the damn business IMO! ;) Overall IMHO with this car, just like C6 they nailed it BIG F-ING TIME! :bow: Exterior, I wouldn't change one freakin' thing, and am very exited about the next CAMARO!:D

I am in the minority here. It does'nt look like a Camaro to me.
I see a little first generation on the roof pillar and tops of the
quarter panels, but other than that. :confused:

I don't see it.

Bummer

Just be glad you got some? Thats how the 4th gen lost the trunk and back seat... You nit pick the car because you want the best result come production. Thats the whole point of the concept. If not it would be braggin rights for production model shows. Not everyone wants to change the grille of a car they just spent 25-30 G on... What do you think youre doing to resale btw?

How do you figure that the 4th gen lost the back seats and trunk. I have a 2nd gen and I guarantee my 4th gen has bigger back sets and trunk area. Have you ever been in another gen Camaro? Also changing the grille is not going to affect the resale. Besides you can put the stock one back on if you are going to sell it.

How do you figure that the 4th gen lost the back seats and trunk. I have a 2nd gen and I guarantee my 4th gen has bigger back sets and trunk area. Have you ever been in another gen Camaro? Also changing the grille is not going to affect the resale. Besides you can put the stock one back on if you are going to sell it.

You mean have I ever been in another Camaro besides my 98 such as the 69 camaro in my drive, with a huge real trunk and more accomadating back seats? Nope never have. :rolleyes: Of course modification affects resale. Thats common knowlege. Why do you think sellers point out "unmolested" when selling a vehicle?

Eh, just another silver car. Not retro enough. Too late model looking. The new Dodge "Charger" is much cooler; simple, retro, smooth. :bow:

I just went to the Houston Auto show today and saw the Camaro concept in Red. All I can say is this car is the BOMB! Without a doubt the Exterior is Killer. Althought I would like to see a fuller spolier on the back and a more functional side mirrors. The proportions of the car are great. The roof and side profiles are spot on. I call it Rero-Modern and to me thats ok since many believe that the fisrt gen camaro is one of if not the best looking car chevy ever built.

GM got piggish with the money and the only way to get the hot V8 models was to pile on the options to get the V8. .

Not true. A Z28 could be ordered without all the options.......still the best bang for the buck out there.....three years later!

moparmat: That was a dumb statement......guys around here were buying 300+hp Z/28's for $23k all damn day long....

Looks like a cross between the Firebird and the new Mustang Not to mention a little Mazda-ish in the rear.. Not enough curves on this one. Think it looks to much like everything else...non original

I disagree with those who say the car is "too angry" looking. I enjoy the fact that it looks like it could eat somebody alive. I could see the commercial now.

:man clicks the alarm button on his car and walks into store:
:dog runs by and lifts its leg to pee on it:
:loud monster eating something noise as screen fades to black with the camaro logo "coming soon":
:then the man comes out with a leash hanging out of the hood with a befuddled look upon his face:

Love the styling for the Camaro.


Now for Chevy to build it , AsAP.

as a 2008 will be good.


As for what will stay and what will go on the production model.

The wheels will be replaced with 17 to 18 inchers.

The interior will likely be more practical & functional.

The LS2 will likely be either detuned to about 380-390 hp, or replaced with the smaller more fuel efficent 5.3L LS4 V8(about 325 -350hp).

Also look for a 6 speed manual(in both v6 & v8 models), or a new 5 speed Auto tranny in both.

Other than that there may be a few minor styling chances, like a slightly narrower body.

Love the styling for the Camaro.


Now for Chevy to build it , AsAP.

as a 2008 will be good.


As for what will stay and what will go on the production model.

The wheels will be replaced with 17 to 18 inchers.

The interior will likely be more practical & functional.

The LS2 will likely be either detuned to about 380-390 hp, or replaced with the smaller more fuel efficent 5.3L LS4 V8(about 325 -350hp).

Also look for a 6 speed manual(in both v6 & v8 models), or a new 5 speed Auto tranny in both.

Other than that there may be a few minor styling chances, like a slightly narrower body.

I can go along with what you say except for the motor and body
The body will be what you see now and the motor will not have less HP than a GTO and maybe a few more than the 400 HP in the concept. It will I would say stay just under a C6 vette but above everything else in the GM line

Not true. A Z28 could be ordered without all the options.......still the best bang for the buck out there.....three years later!
but were the available at the dealer, or did the dealers pile on the options?
(I am not infering this, I am asking guys :))

Okay, Let me put a few things prespective here.

The Vette is Chevy's flagship car, and has been for over 50 years.

The GTO is Pontiac's flagship car, and is likely to remain so, into the next decade.

The Camaro will be Chevy's pony-car.
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The Vette has a base price of 45K

The GTO currently has a base price of about 33K, and by 2008 it will likely be 35K.

To make the Camaro compariable to the Mustang. It will have to have a base price at 20K for the V6 model, and roughly 25-27K for the V8 model.

Also the new Camaro SS will likely be about 150 - 200 lbs lighter than the '08 GTO.

GM is now in a mode where that don't want inside compatition with their flagship models.

For the Camaro to have the same engine and Horsepower as the GTO, yet cost less, and be a lighter -- would simply kill the GTO.

Where the GTO and Vette can have the same motor & horsepower rating. Because the GTO is nearly 500 lbs heavier than the Vette. Therefore the Vette is faster, in all tests.

The Vette has a weight/Hp ratio of roughly 8.2lbs/hp for the base Vette, and 6.2lbs/hp for the Z06. By 2008, that will likely drop to just 7.7lbs/hp for the base model C6.

The GTO for 2006 has a weight/hp ratio of just 9.5 lbs/hp. And best guess on the 2008 GTO will have a lbs/hp ratio of about 8.9 lbs/hp.

So a 08/09 Camaro SS will very likely not have lbs/hp ratio lower than 9.7lbs/hp. And it may be as high as 11 lbs/hp. If the SS curb weight is about 3,550 lbs, then that means you have a horsepower of between 330 to 370.

Which is as fast or possible faster than the Mustang.

Keep in mind GM & Chevy expect to sale at least 80,000 Camaros per year. And would like to sale over 100,000 Camaros per year.

The '08 GTO is expect to only sale about 20,000 - 25,000 models per year. And the Vette is saleing roughtly 25,000 -30,000.

So the Camaro will out sale both cars.

2008 GTO ?

And you're projecting it's sales will double?

All I can say is anyone thinks the camaro will have less HP than anything other than a vette is dreaming

I can't get into the Mustang because it looks to retro without the sexy lines that the original has. It is a heavy looking car, i.e. heavy bodied.

The Challenger concept car appeals more to me because it does a better job of capturing the Challenger look. Honestly, I'm not into retro cars very much at all, but I think this one sets better with me because there just aren't that many Challengers to begin with. Plus, this concept looks miles closer to a real vehicle. Overall, though, lets ditch the retro thing. I'm still waiting for the cool car designs we all saw and hoped would become reality when we were kids. Lets move forward, not back!

As for the Camaro concept, I can't get excited. True, I am beyond amazed it took GM this long to get to a concept car. I'm even more amazed at how much of this car is beyond production reality. The wheels are just a minor point in impracticality. Everything else just pushes it way over the true essence of Camaro, and that is affordable performance with room to improve at the hands of the customer. There should be something much closer to a production ready vehicle being unveiled than this. It is cool, though. So were a lot of other concept cars that never made it, or were so butchered only a few styling cues made production.
Again, this is a heavy bodied car. I see enough Magnums and other 300 based cars to have my fill of the "peer out of the cave" look. Again, hard to get enthused over styling and construction when the $ pinching will almost assuredly kill off a lot of what makes this car cool.
Is the concept cool? Yes. About 3 years passed due, and many miles from reality. The only true enthusiasm I can garner from it is it appears GM might actually be serious about it. I sure as hell won't be holding my breath waiting for the reality, though.

For the Camaro to have the same engine and Horsepower as the GTO, yet cost less, and be a lighter -- would simply kill the GTO.
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Youre suggesting to short the Camaro simply because it might be too good?

All I can say is anyone thinks the camaro will have less HP than anything other than a vette is dreaming


True, except for the fact that the New 2008 Pontiac GTO will have the same motor & horsepower as the 2008 Corvette(base C6). Just as the 2005 GTO has the same Horsepower & motor as the base '05 Vette.

But with the '08 GTO & Camaro being built on the same chassis. It's very possible that the weight different between them would be less than 100 lbs(with the GTO, slightly heavier). In which case Camaro might receive the same engine as the GTO and base Vette, just the motor would be slightly detuned.

Still the Camaro will GM's 3rd most powerful car(right behind the Vette & GTO). Well unless, you also count the Z06 & 'Vette SS(Blue Devil - yes, GM's actually going to build it), as separate models.

My horsepower estimates for the production Camaro are based on Chevy keeping the Camaro's Horsepower under the base C6 Vette HP rating, and still making the Camaro competitive both in price & profromance with the Mustang. Which is something Chevy & GM want to do.

The 2008 GTO, like the Camaro will be built in North America, instead of Australia. The main reason for the GTO's low sales is because Pontiac can only import about 15,000 per yr. due to Holden's restrictions. A North American GTO, wouldn't have these restrictions, so Pontiac would be able to increase the production of the GTO.

I didn't read all the posts so i don't know if this topic has been brought up yet. Did anybody notice that it has independent rear suspension? I only hope that when it becomes a production car they change it to a solid rear axle. That would suck like crazy if they finaly brought the camaro back and you couldn't drag race it. I gave it a 1, I know thats low but to me it dosent look like a drag car and of course the independent rear suspension. Camaros have always been known to be drag cars so why are they builing a retro, luxery car?

they are not building a "luxery" car. Predictions are that it will be 20k w/v6 and 25k w/base v8. They are aiming to compete with the mustang which also falls into this price range. Oh yeah, camaro has always been a sports car, but many people choose to turn them into drag cars.

lol, you guys are car guys while i'm a racer. you know what i would do with the 5th gen camaro? i would take it down to the frame and build a drag car. Why am I even on this site? lol ineed to find a camaro racing site

Not true. A Z28 could be ordered without all the options.......still the best bang for the buck out there.....three years later!So true look at my username, 1sc package Z28 here, 2002 stripper ordered from the dealer with only options leather and hurst shifter. With the rebates and my $1000 Camaro Legends tour certificate I got a brand new Z for around $19,000. After it got wrecked I wanted to cry, now I have an SRT4 which actually cost me $150 more than my Z did and doesn't come near the performace. The Z28's were affordable, unless you got t-tops and every option you could put in them.

lol, you guys are car guys while i'm a racer. you know what i would do with the 5th gen camaro? i would take it down to the frame and build a drag car. Why am I even on this site? lol ineed to find a camaro racing site

don't worry, there are plenty of people here who agree with you about it.. but that has been discussed a million times over and i think everyone is sick of arguing over it..

there are those who want it to be a drag car, and only care about straight line performance..

and there are those like me who want a great handling and riding car that can also go quick in a straight line

and there are those like me who want a great handling and riding car that can also go quick in a straight line

Thats me. Drag racing is fun and I like watching the guys who are really into it. But the guys who are really into it rip the rear out anyway. Out comes the solid rear and in goes an entire subframe with drag shocks and heavy duty rear. I want the car that can take the curves and have acceleration. I dont want 1/4 mile gears though because I dont want the milege of a drag car and Id like top end. Like a Vette setup.

I wonder if its feasible to put solid axle in the SS and IRS in the Z28 and ZL1... May drive up production costs but its a thought...

thats a thought. it'd be cool to see a solid axle in a more high performance model and irs in the lower end models. they could even bring back something like the COPO.

I voted a 5. I like it overall, would of rather had a totally new style. Oh by the way no t-tops no sale.

The overall look of this car is so sick.... thats all i can say. Even though its obvious that the main characteristics are of a 67-69 I love how the sharp lines wide stance and rectangular windshield make it look like an iroc. It looks like it would scare the **** out of a mustang. If chevy was bold enough to bring back the hide away headlights that would absolutely make this car a classic. The only thing I dont like that will likely be kept is the rear end including the rear lights.... but then again i dont reall care for the rear of my 96 z28 :). 78 to 92 had the best rear end. 70.5 to ?75? was also nice. Last thing to say is this will be the next car I will own when it comes out.
78 LT 350
86 Sport couple 305
86 Z28 305
96 Z28 350
(all bought with my own money and im only 20)

I would buy the new challenger or the pos mustang before I'd buy this fugly car

For my tastes -- here's the order I would buy them.

1st place - '08/'09 Camaro

2nd place - '05+ Mustang

3rd place - '05/'06 or possible '08/'09 Pontiac GTO

4th Place - '09/'10 Challenger.

But then I'm a GM guy, and not big on Ford & Mopar.

Im A GM Guy Too I Dont Like The Front End If They Changed It I Might Buy It. IWant a 68 Camaro or A 99 Or Newer Firehawk.

I gave it an 8 because I don't really like some of the things in the interior such as the huge multicolored tach and speedo. I also don't like how the front looks with the big bowtie on it. Take that off and I'd like it a lot more. Even if they left that stuff the same I would still buy one!!

It looks good, but my thing is the styling evolved 2nd-4th generation. Now they've wiped the slate clean and gone back to the first generation. I'd like to see a more evolutionary look, with a lower front end and quad headlights and open mouth grille.

It looks good, but my thing is the styling evolved 2nd-4th generation. Now they've wiped the slate clean and gone back to the first generation. I'd like to see a more evolutionary look, with a lower front end and quad headlights and open mouth grille.

If you want an old car buy an old car!

Just kidding but Damn that felt good to be able to say that to someone else for a change :D

I'm not too clear on your point. The Camaro concept is based on the 1969 Camaro. I said i'd like a more evolutionary look. Evolving the Camaro, the same way the Corvette has, does not make an old car.

I'm not too clear on your point. The Camaro concept is based on the 1969 Camaro. I said i'd like a more evolutionary look. Evolving the Camaro, the same way the Corvette has, does not make an old car.

Youd have to understand that Lutz said that they didnt go to retro as in too much like the 69 saying "If you wanted an old car buy an old car." That has been repeated painfully too many times to me and others who like the 69 or even the retro look. Which I hate hearing.

Now the concept is new and 4th gen is the old car :p I was half joking. I couldnt pass up the oppertunity. Of course if you have to explain it it aint funny but its still ironic.

I'd vote on that poll, but it doesn't go into the negatives. I love the first gen Camaro and all, but if that's Chevy's idea of reviving the Camaro, then I hope GM goes under so that thing will never be produced. I seriously thought that Chris Bangle snuck into GM's design center and messed with the original design upon seeing the first pictures. Then I vomited. Words can't describe how much I hate that thing.

If I was Rick Wagoner or Bob Lutz, here's what I would do:

- Fire all of the designers responsible for that abortion of a Camaro, and put them on a blacklist so that they will never have a job designing cars ever again.

-Hire designers that have class and taste, things the GM designers seem to be heavily lacking, aside from the Corvette and HHR, of course.

-Give them a good-condition '69 Z28 coupe for inspiration, and pictures of the '70 Dodge Challenger and the '06 Challenger concept for something to shoot for.

-Keep the seats from the concept. Those were the only things done right.

-For God's sake, design some real muscle car wheels, not those things that looked like they came off of a Nissan 350Z.

-If anyone talks about how the design was inspired by fighter pilots, I would hire Darryl Revok to make the offending party's head explode, like so:
http://www.esplatter.com/images/am/explode.gif

-If any concept drawings have a rear end that even remotely looks like the concept's rear end, the offending party will die a death so horrible, rotten.com (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotten.com) won't touch the autopsy photos.

-Stick to the design elements that make the first-gen Camaro so great, with some minor modern updates. Note the word minor. Anything that deviates from the first-gen design will result in the offending party having his spinal cord ripped out, Mortal Kombat-style.

You get the gist of where I'm going, I suppose. :D

If you want a Camaro that looks exactly like a 69', shouldn't you just buy a 69'?

If you want a Camaro that looks exactly like a 69', shouldn't you just buy a 69'?

I think even I dont like things like leaf springs or the thought of using a 40 year old car for a daily driver. I never understand why people say this or if you thought about what you were saying.

The 69 is a beautiful muscle car BUT you shouldnt drive it everyday because

-Its 40 years old so expect the problems of a 40 year old car...
-Though it was one of the highest producing years there is only ONE year that looks like that which means there are only 243,085 produced when they were new.
-They should be weekend drivers you shouldnt be depleating what little are left anyway by submitting them to daily wear and tear.
-Technology and lack of saftey by todays standards make this even more unreasonable. Honestly Drum brakes without powerboost or ABS and traction control? Leaf springs or IRS?
-Gas milege of 1969 or of 2009?
-HP of 1969 or 2009?

The next Camaro will be a dailer driver for most people in contrast. There is no need to ruin a true 69 when the next gen can have the looks of 1st gen and do everything a modern car is supposed to do.

Isn't that the truth. I grew up loving Camaro's. I wanted a 68. So i drove a 68' from the age of 18- 21. Really nice driving car. (By contrast my brother had a 68' Mustang which drove and felt like a boat on water.) But my second car was an 89' Iroc-Z 350. I took mountain curves 15mph faster. It felt a lot more solid than the 68', which is amazing, because in time the third gen got on my nerves for it's rattles and harsh suspension. So i love all Camaro's, but i don't want to go back in time.

Isn't that the truth. I grew up loving Camaro's. I wanted a 68. So i drove a 68' from the age of 18- 21. Really nice driving car. (By contrast my brother had a 68' Mustang which drove and felt like a boat on water.) But my second car was an 89' Iroc-Z 350. I took mountain curves 15mph faster. It felt a lot more solid than the 68', which is amazing, because in time the third gen got on my nerves for it's rattles and harsh suspension. So i love all Camaro's, but i don't want to go back in time.

I ve always wanted a 69. I love the look but never realized it would have to be a second car. Im in the process of selling my 69 now. I want the look but to be able to drive it every day. The one exterior line I wish the concept would get would be the 69 wheel well lines. I wasnt around when the 1st gen was produced, so for me its more about style.

Happy Easter!

Wow. All I have to say is that I'm surprised. Surprised at how positive the overall vibe is here on the concept. Myself, I dont like it. Most of the guys Ive spoken to local dont care for it either.
Well, to each his own. Now to see if GM builds it.

I like the back half, i would like to see them get the front end lower. The car is still a little too retro for me.

I like the back half, i would like to see them get the front end lower. The car is still a little too retro for me.

'Too retro'? Have we been looking at the same pics? Have you seen this thing in person? There's very little 'retro' about this vehicle but a few hints here and there. All in all this looks like an entirely new vehicle.

If it wasn't pointed out to me I would have had a hard time seeing the retro cues. I've only seen one pic that looks strongly retro, it's a side view. I'll have to look it up and post it sometime...

Too retro would be the Challenger (or even the Mustang), not the Camaro.

Though in person the Challenger isn't as bad as I thought from pics. Finding out it's front end isn't flat like the Mustang and indeed does have a point similar to the Camaro (only with a flat recessed grille) made it more attractive to me.

You have a hard time seeing the retro cues? ooooooooookay.



Here's a hint: it looks like a first generation Camaro with a laid back winshield, and a bigger rear end.

You have a hard time seeing the retro cues? ooooooooookay.



Here's a hint: it looks like a first generation Camaro with a laid back winshield, and a bigger rear end.

and a less pointy nose.

and not as much chisled edges

and a much taller greenhouse

but basically yeah.. people are kidding themselves if they have a hard time seeing the retro cues...

however.. the camaro does at the same time look futuristic.. and that's why i love it.. a great middle ground in my opinion

You have a hard time seeing the retro cues? ooooooooookay.



Here's a hint: it looks like a first generation Camaro with a laid back winshield, and a bigger rear end.

That's not what I meant.

I'm saying the 'retro' cues aren't blatant like they are on the Mustang and Challenger. They are far more subtle.

And aside from the side view, I don't think the retro cues are anything more than that, just 'cues'.

I've never cared for old cars (no offense to those that do) and would not even begin to like the new Camaro if it were as retro as the Mustang and Challenger.

I just don't see anything other than subtle retro bits, nothing obvious.

however.. the camaro does at the same time look futuristic.. and that's why i love it.. a great middle ground in my opinion

That's exactly it. Some people see obvious retro, others see a totally new car with retro hints. I agree with it being the perfect 'middle ground'.

After seeing it today, pics dont do it justice. Only thing is it has a bunch of billet parts under the hood. Bet they wont be there in production. Im just afraid the MSRP will be out of reach

After watching the videos and looking at the pics GM took of the car.. I think its absolutely perfect.

This is the meanest, best looking car I've seen in my life yet has a retro look to it.
I dont mind the lack of t-tops because they have far too much "mullet factor". Coupe or convertible for me please.

I'm absolutely stunned by this car, the best balance of retro and modern. I graduate from the university in exactly 12 months and will hopefully be going from my part time position to a fulltime position at my company (John Deere).

I want my first purchase to be this Camaro.

One last comment.. this car looks like a flipping METALLIC WOLF!
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=447928

check out those pics, thats the only way i can describe it.

looks like it will devour other traffic.

this is the meanest, baddest car to ever hit the streets of America hands down.

I've loved Camaros since I was six and my brother brought home a brand new '67 Bolero Red RS convertible with white stripes. People like Pete Estes and Zora Duntov were my heroes growing up. And I loved Camaros right through the 4th-gen, despite their awkward short-wheelbase-long-overhang styling and even though they (and the Corvette, of course) seemed to be the last of the desirable and decently engineered cars in GM's fleet of crappy, rent-a-car, fast-depreciation ****-boxes.

But, with that said, I simply think the "2007 (or '8 or'9) Camaro" looks like a bad cartoon, while the Mustang still makes me swing my head to see if a a good-looking 1968 automobile is driving by, and the idea of a Hemi 2008 Challenger makes me wonder why ANYbody would ever pay more than $30,000 for a saggy-doored, phillips-head-screwed-interior original. In fact, I've always HATED Ford products and referred to them as squeaky rust buckets, but two weeks ago I got to enjoy a rented 2006 V6 Mustang convertible on virtually empty north SF-Bay curvy roads, and it was nicely-styled, handled well, howled like a banshee and took off when floored, and was just generally fun to drive --- not at all what I expected from ANY Ford, especially a V-6.

I'd say "God help GM", but any company that has been driven to the ground the way GM has, has either been targeted for some sort of rape (i.e. takeover) by the same internationalists who have exploited and prostituted the rest of this country, or simply has been mismanaged by the most inept, short-sighted, and/or greedy people on earth.

Lies. We have an implant from Ford, or a Ford boy here folks.


"seemed to be the last of the desirable and decently engineered cars in GM's fleet of crappy, rent-a-car, fast-depreciation ****-boxes."

Yeah what a GM fan. Your full of crap. You arent a defector. You hate GM.


"But, with that said, I simply think the "2007 (or '8 or'9) Camaro" looks like a bad cartoon, while the Mustang still makes me swing my head "

LOL.. then you didnt like that 67 camaro much because this is the best looking camaro since the original and the closest styled Camaro to those ever with a modern twist that is simply amazing to the rest of us.

Im not going to respond to the rest of this shills post. You just registered and you have 3 posts. You are a liar and an implant.
No one would bother to post in this thread just to hate on the new Camaro unless you had an agenda or are a troll.

I really like the new camaro, but my only gripes are that i think the front end looks a little too much like a caddillac, I dont like the pointy front end and i think the grill should be a little taller and flattened out a bit, but overall it is a very sexy car

I've loved Camaros since I was six and my brother brought home a brand new '67 Bolero Red RS convertible with white stripes. People like Pete Estes and Zora Duntov were my heroes growing up. And I loved Camaros right through the 4th-gen, despite their awkward short-wheelbase-long-overhang styling and even though they (and the Corvette, of course) seemed to be the last of the desirable and decently engineered cars in GM's fleet of crappy, rent-a-car, fast-depreciation ****-boxes.

But, with that said, I simply think the "2007 (or '8 or'9) Camaro" looks like a bad cartoon, while the Mustang still makes me swing my head to see if a a good-looking 1968 automobile is driving by, and the idea of a Hemi 2008 Challenger makes me wonder why ANYbody would ever pay more than $30,000 for a saggy-doored, phillips-head-screwed-interior original. In fact, I've always HATED Ford products and referred to them as squeaky rust buckets, but two weeks ago I got to enjoy a rented 2006 V6 Mustang convertible on virtually empty north SF-Bay curvy roads, and it was nicely-styled, handled well, howled like a banshee and took off when floored, and was just generally fun to drive --- not at all what I expected from ANY Ford, especially a V-6.

I'd say "God help GM", but any company that has been driven to the ground the way GM has, has either been targeted for some sort of rape (i.e. takeover) by the same internationalists who have exploited and prostituted the rest of this country, or simply has been mismanaged by the most inept, short-sighted, and/or greedy people on earth.

The 67 RS is a real pretty car. So is the 68 Mustang Fast back. I had a friend who had a beautiful Midnight black 68 Fastback. I like the New mustang but thats where I stop agreeing with you.

Dodge boys did a great job with the Charger in my opinion and it looks better in person. The new Camaro is awesome and I think most people agree with me. 90% here last I checked. If you like Mustang that much buy one.

GM's gutless attempt at a retro '69 Camaro is a laugh. The Mustang will continue to pound and the Challenger will pick up any scraps. This leaves only the cousins of the GM design engineers to buy the Cadillac STS, er, I mean the 2009 Camaro. It shows that GM continues to lose not only market share but their balls as well. They wouldn't know what a retro design is if it bit them in that overinflated ass of theirs.

I have owned Camaros since the late 60's and for GM to try to tell hardened muscle car guys like me the 2009 is a '69 retro is an insult to me and all brothers out there over 50.

Mark my words and put it on your refrigerator - the 2009 will not make it out of the gate and if it does it will go down the path of the other GM monster success the GTOmywhatapieceof****.

I have owned Camaros since the late 60's and for GM to try to tell hardened muscle car guys like me the 2009 is a '69 retro is an insult to me and all brothers out there over 50.

When did they tell you that?

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Sorry, you are both Ford boys. You registered too recently to be true GM fans, and you have no post count whatsoever.
You are shills. Paid or not.

The new camaro is the best looking camaro ever made. And looks like a new millenium car should while the Mustang still looks like a mustang (unfortunately) and if I wanted a Challenger I wouldnt buy the plastic version.

/waiting for my 2009 drop top Camaro Z28 :cool: The best looking sports car ever made, period.