If you want to know why you won't be able to get T-tops...

Look straight at the quarter glass.

Either the sails get filled in like an F2-F4, or joo ain't gettin' no T-tops, bub. Forget a Targa, that ain't happening either way.

:cry: :( :cry: :( :cry: :( :cry:

Now, if one of you Photoshop geniuses has some free time on their hands, fire up you software and fill in that area in body color up to the side door glass, just to see what it would take.

I had the same thought: How can they do T-Tops? Answer is, they probably won't. Of course, most Camaros were sold with T-tops, so GM made it impossible to get them in the future. It figures. It looks like a C6 for me.

No loss from own POV since I've never like the way T-tops break up the car's roof lines. But plenty of folks like 'em... this may cost GM some potential sales? If 70% (or more it seems to me??) of the last gen cars were t-top cars... what % of those folks would GM be alienating. Isn't the Stang supposed to get a t-top option soon?

I wouldn't be opposed to having a B pillar or filled in sails if it meant t-tops could be an option for those that want it? Heck couldn't they fill the sails only on cars that were earmarked for t-tops? Would that increase production costs drastically?

Pacer how about glass roof panels that fit into the area between the center dip and the place where the door glass meets the roof (what do you call that area:confused: )?

True. However, if the production car has B-pillars and is therefore not a true hardtop, you can still get T-Tops in there without sacrificing too much structural rigidity. Think G-body 1978-88 Monte Carlos, Regals/GNs, Cutlass and Grand Prix. These cars all had rear 3/4 windows but also real B-pillars. Chrysler and Ford also had cars with T-Tops that had rear 3/4 windows as well although GMs cars had a fair bit more longevity.

But yes, if the car goes into production "as is" T-Tops are likely not going to make it to the dance.

Now, if one of you Photoshop geniuses has some free time on their hands, fire up you software and fill in that area in body color up to the side door glass, just to see what it would take.

here you go

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3539/camarofilledinwindow9ex.jpg

I'm pretty much to the point that if there's no t-top option, I'll build a 69 Z/28 / RS in a couple of years. If there is a removable glass roof option, then it'd be awefully hard to pass up the F5.

No T-tops= no sale for me. I'll stick to my 4th gen.

Jawzforlife: That looks awesome.

here you go

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3539/camarofilledinwindow9ex.jpg


Holy crap!! I thought the people that were seeing simalarities to the mustang were crazy until that pic!!

Jawzforlife: That looks awesome.

I dont think I like it with all the metal.
I liked the back window, but I love t-tops so :shrug:

Hmmmm, that would make for the mother of all blindspots!!!!! Myself, I think the car will have B-pillars with smaller 3/4 windows maybe with the leading edge of the glass concealing the pillar a la SN95 Mustang so it looks all glass due to blacking out.

That is one of the things I dislike with the new Mustang, the body-colour B-pillar just breaks the door window to 3/4 windows lines up and screws up the symmetry, IMO.

Holy crap!! I thought the people that were seeing simalarities to the mustang were crazy until that pic!!


Yeah, it's true.

Can you imagine the people complaining about the blind spot in that car! If you thought it was bad in a 4th gen....................

Screw T-tops. Gimme greater structural rigidity,lighter weight, and reduced cost any day.

Could photoshop boy make that a convertible?????

I really love how it looks with that sail panel colored in, but I really do love the glass back there. Hardtop or t-top, Im buying it. I really do prefer t-tops.

Ok, Photoshop Boy...

For your next display of computational alacrity, please wrap the rear glass slightly so that it comes around the sails a bit, and then do a second chop with an opera window and B pillar with the same backlight as the concept.

Thanks!





PS - Jaws, YOU ROCK!




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Ok, Photoshop Boy...

For your next display of computational alacrity, please wrap the rear glass slightly so that it comes around the sails a bit, and then do a second chop with an opera window and B pillar with the same backlight as the concept.


here is the wrapped around rear glass.
But I dont now what you mean about ther other one you want??? What is a opera window?

http://img433.imageshack.us/img433/6530/camarofilledwindownewback7rf.jpg

here is the wrapped around rear glass.
But I dont now what you mean about ther other one you want??? What is a opera window?


An opera window is a little itty-bitty fixed window in the sail between the B and C pillars... The term "opera window" usually means a round one, like on a T-bird (heh... "T-Bird, killed deader than dead by Corvette... TWICE."), but in this case it would probably have to be triangular... DON'T MAKE IT ROUND!!!

Did I happen to mention that you rock?

opera window and dark tops

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6975/camarofilledinwindowopera9ww.jpg

If the convertible is a hard top then I think you might make t-top people happy even if at a higher cost, at least they have an option without giving up a solid roof.

t-tops arent that big a deal for me. I say go with a glass roof option, but not removable, save maybe sunroof style mercedes c240 class.. and full out convertible. that would rock!
-steve

I'd settle for a sunroof.

opera window and dark tops

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6975/camarofilledinwindowopera9ww.jpg

I don't like that window there. I would have to say: The Mustang called, it wants it's greenhouse back.

tops off, windows down

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6011/camarofilledinwindownotop3zc.jpg

see looks dumb.:yuck: :barf:

Hey photoshop boy, chop the top all together and make it a convertible please.

Hey photoshop boy, chop the top all together and make it a convertible please.

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/7546/camaroconvert5lj.jpg

Sweeeeet. Thanks photoshop boy. Looks good. Now could you put ME in it????:)

Sweeeeet. Thanks photoshop boy. Looks good. Now could you put ME in it????:)

if you have a pic that will work I can, I did it for my mother in-law on her birthday in a yellow stang ;)

:hmm: i see a hatch possibility if the rear window was combined with the rear side windows.

Actually I meant literally put me in it. Like I could drive it. But thanks. Good work. Hopefully someone at GM will consider the drop top.

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/7546/camaroconvert5lj.jpg


:eek: :eek: :eek: I do have the say, when I saw the chop of the 'vert.......My mouth fell open, and the 1st words out of it were "H-O-L-Y S-HEEEEEE-T!!!":eek: :eek: :eek:

:bow: :bow: :bow:

SIGN ME UP!!!

:hmm: i see a hatch possibility if the rear window was combined with the rear side windows.

here is a hatch for your done like the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gen.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/867/camarohatch4vq.jpg

If this thing makes it to production, and it stays true to the 1st gen roots, I think the ragtop option is definitely the way to go. That will be the flag ship Camaro; an SS ragtop with all the options and the most powerful engine offered! Personally I dont like ragtops, and I'm not a big fan of t-tops either, and had I bought my 4th gen new, I would not have them. (Course that was compromise to my wife, who had them on the 95, so I got them). But history has shown us that the most desirous cars are usually the ragtops!

Screw T-tops. Gimme greater structural rigidity,lighter weight, and reduced cost any day.

LOL, is that why you have the most expensive, heaviest, least rigid 4th gen? (your sig says "Convertible"). j/k, point taken.

I still think you might be able to put some T-Tops in there even with the pillarless side glass design. Just have the T-Top panel end just ahead of the rear 3/4 glass. It would seem you could get all the stiffness you needed from the t-bar. After all, they do freestanding 3/4 glass like that on convertibles all the time - from the Lebaron to the current Stang to the Mercedes CLK.


That said, much as I love me some T-Tops, I kinda doubt that we will see them on the Gen 5. Thing probably will have to have side curtain airbags in the roof. Of course, if the side curtain airbags fire up from the top of the door panels...... :)

I did it for my mother in-law on her birthday in a yellow stang ;)

Wow.


You must really hate her.







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:lol: You know if the 5th Gen doesn't have Ttops, then TTopJohn might be a little aggrevated.

God it's gunna not be nearly as fun without a glass roof though :( I'm gunna have to keep a 4th gen around just for that.

here is a hatch for your done like the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gen.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/867/camarohatch4vq.jpg

Now THAT'S what I'm talkin bout! Build that and I'm all over it. Photoshop request - could you black out the area where my T-Tops go? :)

I think a hardtop convertible would be amazing! I mean, if they can do it with the G6, why not with the F5? Heck, even the hatchback doesnt look to bad, though I dont know if it fits the rest of the car.

here is a hatch for your done like the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gen.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/867/camarohatch4vq.jpg

Dude, Great job! That actually looks really cool!

NPhotoshop request - could you black out the area where my T-Tops go? :)

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6919/camarotopsandhatch1vj.jpg

Now thats a Camaro!!! Right there....thats what we need!!! :bow:

+1 on the T-top w/ hatch! That's sweet.

With all the Chops in this thread, I gotta say I like them all. I think this is a testament to the designers of the concept that there could be a multitude of body styles they can end up using for the production model.

Wow, if I was in here earlier I would have requested the hatch. Glad to see that I wasn't the only one that was thinking that.

I think the hatch looks quite interesting. It makes it more modern in my opinion and stand out even more from the Mustang and the Challenger. I would only suggest making the glass have a sharper look by straightening the profile. I think it would be more in line with the rest of the car.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6919/camarotopsandhatch1vj.jpg

Thanks! If they build that one, I would definitely buy it. Without T-Tops, I have a hunch I'll just drop an LS2 stroker in my 4th Gen instead of buying a 5th Gen. But if I can still get T-Tops, that's a whole different story - and while they do look a little strange on the notchback, with the hatch back they look perfect :)

I'm holding out hope - after all, if Ford could build hatch, notch, and vert fox body stangs, then maybe GM can do the same for the Camaro :) Only problem I see with that logic is that Ford was spreading the cost of those different body styles across a lot more cars sold - and the Fox platform was in so many different cars that the tooling paid for itself many times over.

OK i'm not gonna quote the hatch picture cuz...scroll up theres pics...

BUT

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OH MY F-ING GOD!!!!! THAT IS IT!!! I would sell both my maros, my dad's beamer and my mom's durango to get in that!!!!

My god!! How can this small change make this look exactly like a mustang????

My god!! How can this small change make this look exactly like a mustang????
YOU! I WILL COMPLETELY EAT YOUR CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1. back in the "retro" days...the cars were...eh...a lil simalar...so now that the big 3 are going "retro" they will be similar again...

2. get your head out of your ass and look at the HATCH OMG!!!

3. '09 z28 Ls7

This concept is starting to make me a fan of GM, and what it can do again. To say the least, I'm VERY excited.

Now back on to subject - If the chassis is as solid and strong as it is supposed to be, why couldn't they do a targa option? I for one have never really liked T-Tops. I would way rather have a completely open roof, and I'd also rather have my removable roof come away in one piece, with some kind of engineered holder in the trunk/hatch.

Thoughts?

I like the original concept's hardtop/fastback look better...

well...luckly there's always custom body shops!!!!

I think with this car we're going to see different custom body styles of this car depending on the owner's favorite generation of maro

personally...that back 1/4 SCREAMS 3/4th gen

personally...that back 1/4 SCREAMS 3/4th gen

well I'd say the rest of the car screams 1st gen :lol:

There's no reason they couldn't add T-tops to the new car.
There still is the center bar for support.
And they could cantilever the roof over the rear quarter windows. A small halo support beam could run around the perimeter of the rear part of the roof to transfer the load of the roof down to vertical supports which in turn would transfer the load to the frame.
All of these supports would be hidden between the outer roof layer and headliner and between the outer skin and the interior panel.
It could be done in magnesium for strength, light weight, and cost.

Jaws,
photoshop the actual car with t-tops. Thanks.

Jaws,
photoshop the actual car with t-tops. Thanks.

I just think tops and the small window dont look right together

edit: sorry the modified rear windowis still on this pic, but youget the idea

http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/6821/camarowithwindowandtops5zu.jpg

i was thinking the t-tops, if produced, would go above part of the rear quarter window as well, im sure they could all easily be powered down from the drivers door.

I really like the rear quarter windows, but i would not mind at all to see them go to allow t-tops. The hatch looks just fine on the car, and it would offer more cues from new camaros as well.

PERHAPS The hatch and t-roof could be an option? im probably asking for the world there, but why couldnt it have two different versions of the roof and trunk?

I HAVE FAITH this car will get t-tops some-way-some-how, and thats one way they could pull it off.

i was thinking the t-tops, if produced, would go above part of the rear quarter window as well, im sure they could all easily be powered down from the drivers door.

I really like the rear quarter windows, but i would not mind at all to see them go to allow t-tops. The hatch looks just fine on the car, and it would offer more cues from new camaros as well.

PERHAPS The hatch and t-roof could be an option? im probably asking for the world there, but why couldnt it have two different versions of the roof?


One problem I see with T-Tops that extend over the rear quarter window is that they just get too big - and won't fit in the 99 mustang-esque mail slot of a trunk opening.

I wonder if it is still feasible and cost effective to build 3 different versions of the same car, like it was in the 80s & 90s - see the Nissan 240SX (Notch and Hatch and 'Vert) and the Fox Stang (Notch, Hatch, 'Vert) for two examples.

Note that I'm not throwing out cars like the Cavalier or the G6 (4 door, 2 door, Vert, and in the case of the cav, Wagon) because I think that's a little different - the 2 door serves a completely different purpose than the wagon, and I would think it's easier to make a business case for something like that.

With the Stang and the 240 SX , they were all 2 door 4 seaters, they just let you pick your roof/trunk configuration.

I wonder if it is still feasible and cost effective to build 3 different versions of the same car, like it was in the 80s & 90s - see the Nissan 240SX (Notch and Hatch and 'Vert) and the Fox Stang (Notch, Hatch, 'Vert) for two examples.

Note that I'm not throwing out cars like the Cavalier or the G6 (4 door, 2 door, Vert, and in the case of the cav, Wagon) because I think that's a little different - the 2 door serves a completely different purpose than the wagon, and I would think it's easier to make a business case for something like that.

With the Stang and the 240 SX , they were all 2 door 4 seaters, they just let you pick your roof/trunk configuration.
the mustang was one of the cars i was thinking of that had done it in the past...and they didnt even have a reason to like t-tops :D

What would it look like if the rear quarter windows were filled in with T-tops cut out like the original poster suggested?

The hatch could use some tweaking.. but that looks awesome. It's the late Camaro touch the car needs. T-Tops and a hatch.... they just FIT together.

I'm soo ready to buy the 'vert. That looks awesome! Please, build it ASAP. LS2 or the new 6.2 motor, six speed, I'm in.
:)

I would almost bet a paycheck there will not be an open window frame. Remember, this will share platforms with a sedan.

There's no reason they couldn't add T-tops to the new car.
There still is the center bar for support.
And they could cantilever the roof over the rear quarter windows. A small halo support beam could run around the perimeter of the rear part of the roof to transfer the load of the roof down to vertical supports which in turn would transfer the load to the frame.
All of these supports would be hidden between the outer roof layer and headliner and between the outer skin and the interior panel.
It could be done in magnesium for strength, light weight, and cost.

Jaws,
photoshop the actual car with t-tops. Thanks.

Absolutely, I don't understand how everyone is so certain that T-tops can't be fit into the concetpt design. Just because it was done one way in the old Camaro doesn't mean there aren't newer and better means and materials to structurally make it happen. All GM has to do is kick their old engineers into gear and challenge them to make it happen.

Don't get stuck thinking in the past for chasis structure and architecture. Believe me, I've worked with engineers that are used to doing the same things over and over because it worked so well for them in the past. You give them some outrageous concept and the engineer screams it can't be done. But after an eye opening conversation with them the'll rise to the challenge and get it done. I'm sure GM has good engineers that enjoy and good challenge...yes to T-tops.

I generally dislike vert's, but that chop... was... wow!

I also hate to break up the concept's large open window opening. I love that there's not a pillar. To me that is the one single element that most reminds me of a 1st gen, it's that huge open window area that goes to a point at the rear of the car.

I would almost bet a paycheck there will not be an open window frame. Remember, this will share platforms with a sedan.
Last gen Riviera was open window framed and it was a shared platform with the Park Avenue, closed window frame.

Damn!!! That hatch/t-top version look VERY HOT!!! :eek: :bow:

If GM will build something like that, I would most likely have to fnally buy the very first brand new vehicle in a few years. :think:

Hmmm... :think:

Wow. The T-Top/rear hatch chop makes an awesome car look even better.

While it would be nice to have T-top's on the 5th Gen, I'd settle for a sunroof... especially if it was the panorama sunroof from the G6.

here is a hatch for your done like the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gen.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/867/camarohatch4vq.jpg


Just so you know: there is no such thing as a hatch back 2nd gen.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/sunsetz28/Cars/IMG_1347.jpg

wow, landau top, sawzall hole in the hood, thirdgen z28 wheels sans center caps including the most key touch of all, DIRT MARKS on the tires from where it was sunk in the front yard.

That is one helluva specimen right there

wow, landau top, sawzall hole in the hood, thirdgen z28 wheels sans center caps including the most key touch of all, DIRT MARKS on the tires from where it was sunk in the front yard.

That is one helluva specimen right there

1. It's a vinal top.
2. That's not a hole in the hood use your eyes. It's a bump where the turbo went. It's a turbo inline 6.
3. Those rims are way better than any rims they put on 2nd gens. And I happen to like them. So shove it.
4. It hasn't been stuck inthe front yard it's actually been inside my Dad's shop for 5 years. It was my daily driver until I got my 01. I proceeded to tear her apart. She's not completely finished yet, so she's obviously not detailed.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
No wonder I don't post here much. People like you like to tear people down. The only saving grace this place has sometimes is the Fbodfather. Have a nice day.

Geeze, some people can't take a joke. But since you want to take it seriously

#1 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_roof - notice that "landau" is a term used to describe vinyl tops. I do apologize for not realizing landau tops were a specific type of vinyl roof that only covered the back section, i always heard it used interchangably.

#2, looks like a hole from that angle. What i guess must actually be glare from an overhead light looked like an shiny carb sitting just below hood level. Sorry.

#3, i disagree, i like alot of the early second gen wheels. But regardless, those wheels don't necessarily look bad either. But you have to admit that thirdgen wheels on a non-thirdgen with no center caps is a low buck cliche.

#4, this was thrown in for fun, since you have to admit, it does look like that thing sat 3" deep in the dirt long enough to stain the rubber. I guess instead it sat with 15psi in the tires on a dirty floor. Who cares, it looks funny.

That's why i called it one helluva specimen. It's a pretty nice looking car, but featured 4 classic gaffes. You know as well as i do that vinyl roofs are not common on camaros because well, most people think they look funny. And i apologize for teh hole in the hood, but that's what it looked like on a quick glance. And with that bad assumption made, the no center cap jab and dirt stained tires jumped out too. I meant no ill will though.

besides, you did resurrect a 10mo post just to make a small correction that didn't matter. So that put it in a joking mood anyway.

Somehow that picture makes me think trailer park. :think:

love the chop from post #41. Really hoping for the t-tops, or even sunroof. Otherwise the 'vette's advantages would really be adding up quick$.

The only reason I got T-tops on my Camaros was because they were already there. Had I been ordering a new car, I would've ordered them too, since you didn't gain ANYTHING by not ordering them.

5th gen with a modern, rattle free, non-twisting, stiff frame? ~400hp? 6 speed?

I think I might just forget T-tops existed. They're nice to have, but not worth the sacrifices IMO.

I don't know about everyone else, but I sure am glad that after 10 months we were able to clear up the minor detail about 2nd gens being hatchbacks in this thread. That one was hounding me, lol.

When a (hardtop) Convertible is possible, what is the Problem with a T-Top or Targa?

Just think of it as a Convertible with a fixed Back and detchable Front!

When a (hardtop) Convertible is possible, what is the Problem with a T-Top or Targa?

Just think of it as a Convertible with a fixed Back and detchable Front!

safety standards are different for coupe/vert.


and a targa/t-top is still classed a coupe IIRC

there will not be a t-top, stop hoping for one

Personally I don't care if there are t-tops or not. I still plan on getting one. My SS has T-tops and although I like them, it won't make me not get the car.

If the whole side of the car opens up,(glass-wise) will you really miss T-Tops that bad anyways?

If the whole side of the car opens up,(glass-wise) will you really miss T-Tops that bad anyways?

Exactly. T-tops = lame 80's porn.

As long as the 1/4 windows roll down, we're good.

If the whole side of the car opens up,(glass-wise) will you really miss T-Tops that bad anyways?

I personally don't see having an xtra long window opening (which is essentially what the rear windows rolling down would create) on the side of the car can compare to a more open air feeling of having the TTops removed.

I've met very few people that didn't enjoy TTops.

If the whole side of the car opens up,(glass-wise) will you really miss T-Tops that bad anyways?
YES!

The TOP of the car needs to open up.

And no, I don't want a convertible. At least, not a soft top. :D

I personally don't see having an xtra long window opening (which is essentially what the rear windows rolling down would create) on the side of the car can compare to a more open air feeling of having the TTops removed.

I've met very few people that didn't enjoy TTops.

I like both, I just perfer the 1/4 windows over TTops personally. I dont like having to pull over to put TTops back in because it started raining or something. Taking them out and putting them in is an ordeal. I imagine the windows will be at touch of a button.

I have to say that hatch photoshop really swayed me...

However I think a 3/4 glass roof would be just as good, especially if it retracted...

I've had T-Tops, Sun-Roofs, Moon Roofs and my solid roof IROC...and I can say that with all the leaks, wind noise and stress-cracks...I want mine like the original...like my '67 'bird , minus the 1/4 wing ofcourse..;)

Yeah no T-Tops, is no deal killer for me. I have them, and they never come off!