All of this talk, has the Camaro gotten a green light?

I've seen many concepts come and go and never go into production. With GM's woes I can see it happen on an even greater scale now. Has the Camaro gotten the green light? What do you all give %-wise on the car going into production? I think the concept looks great, but I do not think it is cute enough for female V6 drivers, and that is who GM really NEEDS to buy this car.

I think the chances of it going into production are like 99%...The only way I could see it not happening was if GM completely collapsed before it could get to market. GM really needs the Camaro right now...They don't really have many highly desirable cars, (besides Corvette, Solstice, Cadillacs, and a couple others). They need a car that people will go crazy over. The Camaro if it's done correctly will be/is that car...They can't afford to not bring it back;)

Whats a Camaro? I thought this was about the 5th gen Chevette?

The Camaro is not going to be produced on its own chassis. It will be built along side RWD sedans of the Sigma-Lite chassis.

I supposed it's almost definite it's going to be produced. But I think how fast it gets here depends on how well it's received at NAIAS..

So, we should be prepared to make some noise. :)

Hell yeah. If its coming to your town, bring the fireworks, noise makers, and wear your Camaro tshirts.

Well to say its a green light and for sure going to be built unfortunetly can't be said. We know GM's position and there have been lots of near production cars that when it came time to build them couldn't do it. Now the concept Camaro I think will happen. I think the only question now is the details from the autoshow circut and how well its accepted.

I think I'm *almost* confident enough to hold my breath on this one;).




.....but just to be on the safe side, I won't risk it!;)

I honestly DON'T see the Camaro NOT happening :no:. There has been WAY too much hype about it, and too many people (inside GM) working on it IMO. Hell, look at the SSR:rolleyes:. Did it get this much hype or attention? Yet it still made it to the streets:shrug:. Camaro will happen, I'm sure:yes:.

Hell yeah. If its coming to your town, bring the fireworks, noise makers, and wear your Camaro tshirts.


does that mean you're gonna be in NY with your bells and whistles on too?????

You betcha!! Unless they all get stolen when I go to Detroit.

You betcha!! Unless they all get stolen when I go to Detroit.


like i told you in another thread......think Camden at night :eek:

I'm hopin' to go to the NY Auto Show this year...I gotta' find a really cool Camaro shirt to wear when I go. I wish they had as many sweet Camaro shirts as they do for the 'Vette...Anyway, it could maybe be cool if we could get an NJ group to go to the NY show.

...Anyway, it could maybe be cool if we could get an NJ group to go to the NY show.


i'm gonna get a thread goin on in the end of February/early March about getting a group together for NYIAS. maybe Al can get some of the guys from the NJ F-body group to go.

I've seen many concepts come and go and never go into production. With GM's woes I can see it happen on an even greater scale now. Has the Camaro gotten the green light? What do you all give %-wise on the car going into production? I think the concept looks great, but I do not think it is cute enough for female V6 drivers, and that is who GM really NEEDS to buy this car.

How many concepts came with a completely detailed CAD drawing of the chassis? :lol:

I can see this car happening even if GM files for bankruptcy (Chevy & Cadillac's line up will survive even if nothing else does).


With most all of the work already done, the car ("hypothetically") slated for 2008 as a 2009, and that GM can do a car in 18 months from that point, I'd say they can give the final go ahead as late as June 2007.

Word right now is that factory coordination is a far greater factor than anything else.

Once development progresses to a certain point, it has to go forward for finanical reasons. Until a new vehicle goes into production, the development costs are capitalized per GAAP rules. Once that capital number builds up, if the company cancels the project, it has to write off the capitalized amount against current earnings - again, per GAAP rules. From a purely financial viewpoint, GM will reach a "point of no return." The real question is, "Have they reached that point yet?"

With most all of the work already done, the car ("hypothetically") slated for 2008 as a 2009, and that GM can do a car in 18 months from that point, I'd say they can give the final go ahead as late as June 2007.

Word right now is that factory coordination is a far greater factor than anything else.


is there any possibility of this car getting the green light in the first half of 2006 if the concept is well recieved by the normal (ie:not entusiasts) public? wouldn't that put us in CY2007?

I think the concept looks great, but I do not think it is cute enough for female V6 drivers, and that is who GM really NEEDS to buy this car.That's a really good point.
I too think the concept looks great (except for those goofy mirrors!), but it needs to appeal to the base that is going to support the car for years to come.
It doesn't have to be women. There are tons of male V6 buyers too. IMO, if they put a healthy V6 in the base model, it'll be very appealing to those that can't afford V8 insurance or V8 models.
S.

That's a really good point.
I too think the concept looks great (except for those goofy mirrors!), but it needs to appeal to the base that is going to support the car for years to come.
It doesn't have to be women. There are tons of male V6 buyers too. IMO, if they put a healthy V6 in the base model, it'll be very appealing to those that can't afford V8 insurance or V8 models.
S.

Just remember guys, Scott has reiterated this over and over again, THIS IS NOT THE FINAL CONCEPT,

The one we see next month could be a lot “cuter” as you put it…:think: …I hope its not too cute….

I think however if (and it will) it has the daily livability the 4th gen did not really have it will be a success to this demographic

is there any possibility of this car getting the green light in the first half of 2006 if the concept is well recieved by the normal (ie:not entusiasts) public? wouldn't that put us in CY2007?
Traditionally I have the feeling that no, it couldnt. But in order to keep turning things around I think itd be a cool move on GM's behalf to take a well recieved concept to showroom floors quickly while they've got the nations attention.

It was said a long time ago that the 5th gen might not be a multiple functioning concept car(s) like some are with numerous spy videos and what not. That it might just be something to show up without much preliminary warning. Wonder if thats still true or possible?

It seems to me that a major contributor to Chrysler's success has been its ability to get "concept" cars on showroom floors very quickly. Just look at the 300, Charger, Magnum, PT Cruiser, etc. It seems like I was seeing those on the streets as soon as I was hearing about the concepts. I didn't even know what a 300 was the first time I saw it. Even Ford is able to get a product out there with what seems like a great deal of efficiency.

GM on the other hand is very lethargic. Just look at the SSR. Discounting the fact that this was a misappropriation of GMs manpower to begin with, by the time it finally reached dealerships, any excitement there was about it had quickly been replaced by the next best thing. Even the Solstice took forever. If I'm not mistaken, It has been over three years since the unveiling of that concept. Do you think anybody holds their breath or runs down to place an order when that much time will pass before it is available. It's hard to be a leader when other manufacturers can see your concept and respond to it before you can even get your car on the road. I'm as much of an F-body fan as all of you, but I'm not allowing myself to get too excited about this whole thing. By the time they get it out there, the other car companies will be on their way to the next best thing. It's gotta be embarrasing (and bankrupting) always playing catch up.

All that being said, please build it, and build it fast. If this thing could be released in 2007 as a 2008 model, I would be on the waiting list.

Traditionally I have the feeling that no, it couldnt. But in order to keep turning things around I think itd be a cool move on GM's behalf to take a well recieved concept to showroom floors quickly while they've got the nations attention.

It was said a long time ago that the 5th gen might not be a multiple functioning concept car(s) like some are with numerous spy videos and what not. That it might just be something to show up without much preliminary warning. Wonder if thats still true or possible?


those are the thoughts that have been running through my head lately. the optimist in me keeps thinking that this car is way farther along than we all think it is. and that GM will just get it to the showrooms before we know what hit us.

i know this is unlikely, but i still think the best thing they can do right now is get this car to market within 18 months of the show, if not sooner.

As much as I'd like to see the "camaro" come back, it is not the car that saves GM like some think.

As much as I'd like to see the "camaro" come back, it is not the car that saves GM like some think.


Are you still clinging to the idea that the "camaro" will not be returning like you were six months ago? I don't think anyone who understands the automotive industry is pinning GM's survival on the success or failure of one car, but the overall reaction to this concept in addition to Cadillacs successful turnaround and the rumored improvements to Buick etc, do bode well for the future.

As much as I'd like to see the "camaro" come back, it is not the car that saves GM like some think.

Honestly with it coming out this long after the new Stang, and being somewhat of a "me-too" kinda thing (not slamming the clay concept at all, I love it), I don't really see it being a huge huge success for GM either. I hope I'm wrong. Honestly I'm just hoping the thing sells well enough they don't kill it again within a couple years...