Price Range (again)

Now that we've seen a sneak peak at the chassis, I'd like serious input on the pricing of this car.

Do we still think that chassis can be mass produced for a base version in the low $20,000 Range?

I am hopeful but doubtful. What's a V6 mustang base at now?

$19,995...which is why the '08-'09 V6 base model BETTER come in at $22k.

I'm budgeting 27-29k for a "stripper" SS/Z28/whatever its called. All I need it power windows/locks and ABS and I'll be happy. No stability control, no traction control, no auto climate, or heated seats. Just a big engine, comfy seats, and wide tires.

I'm budgeting 27-29k for a "stripper" SS/Z28/whatever its called. All I need it power windows/locks and ABS and I'll be happy. No stability control, no traction control, no auto climate, or heated seats. Just a big engine, comfy seats, and wide tires.


i'm with you on this.....Z/28 (:p ) with just the basics: pl, pw, cloth interior, 6spd, LS7 (fingers crossed), XM, and 19in front 20in rear rims. but i'm th8inking more in the low to mid $30k range.

Yeah, I'm expecting to see $32000 to $34000 for the typical optioned cars that will end up on lots. Of course hopefully not, but probably.

i'm with you on this.....Z/28 (:p ) with just the basics: pl, pw, cloth interior, 6spd, LS7 (fingers crossed), XM, and 19in front 20in rear rims. but i'm th8inking more in the low to mid $30k range.


I don't like you very much!:p :p

I still expect Camaro pricing to follow Mustang pricing +/- $1000 in MSRP.

This is the way it should break down, IMO.

Base model - $21,995
Add 5.3 V8 = $1,000
Price range = $21,995 - $27,000 (leather, XM, t-tops, nav etc.)


SS - $25,995 with 5.3
Add LS2 = $1,500
Price range = $25,995 - $30,995 (leather, nav, LS2, chrome wheels etc.)

Z28 = $31,995
All speed goodies standard
Top price = $35,995

Basically, each level should allow for a decent $4k worth of options...but there is no reason why a base 5.3 or SS coupe can't sticker at or near a Mustang GT. If it doesn't, its sales suicide.

I don't like you very much!:p :p


:D :p ;) it's all good. whatever the top model is, i just hope it hands the GT500 it's a$$!

This is the way it should break down, IMO.

Base model - $21,995
Add 5.3 V8 = $1,000
Price range = $21,995 - $27,000 (leather, XM, t-tops, nav etc.)


SS - $25,995 with 5.3
Add LS2 = $1,500
Price range = $25,995 - $30,995 (leather, nav, LS2, chrome wheels etc.)

Z28 = $31,995
All speed goodies standard
Top price = $35,995

Basically, each level should allow for a decent $4k worth of options...but there is no reason why a base 5.3 or SS coupe can't sticker at or near a Mustang GT. If it doesn't, its sales suicide.


:bow: I agree!

i'm with you on this.....Z/28 (:p ) with just the basics: pl, pw, cloth interior, 6spd, LS7 (fingers crossed), XM, and 19in front 20in rear rims. but i'm th8inking more in the low to mid $30k range.


LS7? Is anyone else thinking that the LS7 will make it into the Camaro? No way man.

#1 this motor right now is a hand built motor in a $70k flagship car....you want it in your Camaro for 30?:confused: Not gonna happen. Chevy might put it in a camaro and give it to a few mags for fun, but a mass produced LS7 camaro wont happen, OR wont happen under $45k. Feel free to disagree, but Im very VERY happy about the possibility of getting an LS2 at ~400hp (lets see if GM bumps the base Vette to 420-425hp to make room).

#2 Arent they already working on a supercharged 6.2L to go in the vette next. What Im saying is, the LS7 will have to live for 4 more years to even have a chance to see a Camaro. By the time we are able to buy a Camaro, the LS7 will be out of production.


I dont have any dillusions of 700hp Camaros like some people on this board, and I dont think that the Camaro MUST eat the GT500, cause I dont think it will. But, I AM excited about the fastest production Camaro in MY lifetime at ~400hp in just a few years. :bow:

This is the way it should break down, IMO.

Base model - $21,995
Add 5.3 V8 = $1,000
Price range = $21,995 - $27,000 (leather, XM, t-tops, nav etc.)


SS - $25,995 with 5.3
Add LS2 = $1,500
Price range = $25,995 - $30,995 (leather, nav, LS2, chrome wheels etc.)

Z28 = $31,995
All speed goodies standard
Top price = $35,995

Basically, each level should allow for a decent $4k worth of options...but there is no reason why a base 5.3 or SS coupe can't sticker at or near a Mustang GT. If it doesn't, its sales suicide.

Looks good to me. :)

I agree that the LS7 isn't gonna happen, it's a $16,000 engine.
That would add ~$11,000 to the price over a LS2 powered Camaro.
eek.

Wouldent the SS cost more than the z28 :confused: I would estimate the price for the base camaro w/ improved 3.8L v6 (245 hp)
to be around 23-24k, the z28 with the ls6 to be around 28-29k and the ss to be around 30-32k. There will be no ls7 in the new camaro but of course there will be special editions. And I PRAY they change the tails. :p . just my 2 cents :metal:

I think the LS7 will happen its still a good few years away by then the C6 Zo6 will be supercharged and the LS2 will be long gone possible LS3 dont forget that the New SUV if you sport for the Esclade or the Denali will be gitting the 6.3L motor so do the math new motors with D.O.D. why would thy stick some old 6.0 in an all redone car. you cant, new motor, new car, do you think they are not going to use something just sitting around in the factory. Just like the GTO first year had the old 5.7 people complaned that there was no hood schops and does not have dual exuast then next year all that all changed allong with new motor the 6.0 is past its prime. So the SS will maybe get the Ls7 or something really close to it and if it does it will proubley be like 5-7K less than a base Vett and i would pay 50k for a SS but that how i feel i dont want the same thing as what everbody esle can go down to the lot and see 20 of them and out of that 20 maybe see one SS if they can keep them on there lots.

and one more thing today i see more C6 Zo6's than i do standard C6 corvetts. and they were in the 80k after markups. Spend it while you got it you dont need money while your dead!

I think the LS7 will happen its still a good few years away by then the C6 Zo6 will be supercharged and the LS2 will be long gone possible LS3 dont forget that the New SUV if you sport for the Esclade or the Denali will be gitting the 6.3L motor so do the math new motors with D.O.D. why would thy stick some old 6.0 in an all redone car. you cant, new motor, new car, do you think they are not going to use something just sitting around in the factory. Just like the GTO first year had the old 5.7 people complaned that there was no hood schops and does not have dual exuast then next year all that all changed allong with new motor the 6.0 is past its prime. So the SS will maybe get the Ls7 or something really close to it and if it does it will proubley be like 5-7K less than a base Vett and i would pay 50k for a SS but that how i feel i dont want the same thing as what everbody esle can go down to the lot and see 20 of them and out of that 20 maybe see one SS if they can keep them on there lots.

and one more thing today i see more C6 Zo6's than i do standard C6 corvetts. and they were in the 80k after markups. Spend it while you got it you dont need money while your dead!



:confused: Umm....what?

Wouldent the SS cost more than the z28 :confused: I would estimate the price for the base camaro w/ improved 3.8L v6 (245 hp)
to be around 23-24k, the z28 with the ls6 to be around 28-29k and the ss to be around 30-32k. There will be no ls7 in the new camaro but of course there will be special editions. And I PRAY they change the tails. :p . just my 2 cents :metal:
It's been discussed that apparently the Z28 will take over the reigns from the SS as the head honcho of the lineup.

They would need to lower the cost of the LS7 engine in order to put it into the Camaro. Don't bet on getting dry sump oiling, titanium rods, forged crank and pistons or a 7000 rpm redline. I wouldn't put it past GM to sneak a few of the them into some COPO cars and call them ZL1 editions though. :D

The LS7 will be available as a crate motor in early 2006.

http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/LS7-Crate-Engine-Small-Block-17802397--P930C2.aspx

If they're building enough to be crate motors, why couldn't they put one in the Camaro?

And if they don't, for $15-20K, you could do it yourself. :D

The LS7 will be available as a crate motor in early 2006.

http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/LS7-Crate-Engine-Small-Block-17802397--P930C2.aspx

If they're building enough to be crate motors, why couldn't they put one in the Camaro?

And if they don't, for $15-20K, you could do it yourself. :D
Sunset Chevrolet in Banning has 4 of them right now. I was shocked as hell to hear they had so many.

Sunset Chevrolet in Banning has 4 of them right now. I was shocked as hell to hear they had so many.

I don't think they have 4 crate motors. They are only 4 available nationwide through GMPD

It's been discussed that apparently the Z28 will take over the reigns from the SS as the head honcho of the lineup.
Then again, for most of the Camaro's history the Z28 has been the top model. In the 60's and early 70's it was over the SS, the idea that the SS is somewhat over the Z28 was a pretty new idea. Doesn't matter though, to me the Z28 has and always will be the top Camaro! :)

I wouldn't count on the LS7. As someone mentioned earlier, they are looking to replace the LS-7 with a superchraged 6.2 or 6.4, can't remember. So in 3-4 years teh LS-7 will most likely be old news. But I'll still keep my fingers crossed for an LS-7 camaro.

Then again, for most of the Camaro's history the Z28 has been the top model. In the 60's and early 70's it was over the SS, the idea that the SS is somewhat over the Z28 was a pretty new idea. Doesn't matter though, to me the Z28 has and always will be the top Camaro! :)
Yeah I know, I just meant it was taking over from where it was in the 4th gen era. :)

In reality it will be more than you think.

The base Solstice as an example sells for $19,995. We all know that nothing more then a sales gimmick because except for the few who well special order a strippy, the real base price is around $22,995 (with popular options).

Going by the last 3 years of mild-inflation as an example, a car that sells for $20,000 (base v6 Stang) in 2005 will sell for closer to $21,500-$22,000 in 2008/09 and a $27,000 (V8 Stang) car will go for around $29,000-$30,000.

Now given that the Camaro will most likely be more exensive from the get-go ( Camaros are most always more expensive then Stangs) I would bet that when the 2009 MY Camaro comes out in late 2008 its base v6 price will be $23,995 and the base v8 will come in @ $30,995. The 2009 base v6 and v8 Camaro will be similar to that of the current Pontiac Solstice in which the 'real-world' prices will be at least a few thousand more ($25,995 V6 and $32,995 V8) and you be stuck paying high dealer mark-ups on top of that until 2010 as well. Fully loaded versions would most likely be $27,995 and $34,995 accordingly.

I wanted to put the current 2005 Mustangs prices in perspective. Using the trusty 'inflation calculator'the 2005 $20,000 base V6 Stang equals in price to $16,000 in 1995 and the 2005 $27,000 V8 Stang equals in price to $21,000 in 1995.

Even though the 2009 Camaro is going to seem significantly more expensive then what some of us paid for our 1994/95 Camaros (I paid $19,000 for my Z28 in 94) its still going to be a great car at a fair price. Even when adjusted for inflation it might end up being a little more expensive but Im sure the 2009 Camaro will be better in almost every aspect then the 4th gen.

Then again, for most of the Camaro's history the Z28 has been the top model. In the 60's and early 70's it was over the SS, the idea that the SS is somewhat over the Z28 was a pretty new idea. Doesn't matter though, to me the Z28 has and always will be the top Camaro! :)


Just because this debate is sooooo much fun....

In a year where both have been available, Z28 has NEVER had more HP than SS.

Now comes the part where someone says the 302 was underrated and really made 450hp and the high compression lumpy cam 396 was a dog...

Then comes the part where someone points out the Z28 had teh better suspension and brakes therefore making it the top performance model, HP be damned.

roflmao

Horsepower and handling aside (yeah, right) the Z28 package always cost more than the SS package in the early years. That's why the Z28 used to be considered the top Camaro.

If it costs more, it must be better, right? ;)

If I can get into a SS or Z28 or whatever the base V8 car will be called (hey I am still in school :( ) in the $22,000 to $26,000 range with the few options that I want I will be happy. I started saving what I can earlier this year (which admittedly isn't much :( ), so hopefully I will be able to get one in a couple of years (when I am done with school :D ).

Red Planet, if you see this: I would like to make one request (suggestion?), if it does make production (which I am sure it will) can you try to convince whoever needs convincing to make a telescoping steering column an option (atleast). I recently tried to convince my fiance that a '97 Z28 would be a good upgrade from my current car, but when she went to sit in it (she is 5' tall) she either could not touch the pedals or was sitting too close to the steering wheel :( so I was not able to get it :( . If it had a telescoping steering column I would have it now. Anyway, just something you guys over there might check into :) .

David

In a year where both have been available, Z28 has NEVER had more HP than SS.



Which SS? I used to have a Camaro SS350. Turbo 350 trans. No gauges, just idiot lights. 14" wheels with hubcaps. White vinyl top.

Actually, I wish that I still had it! But man-oh-man, what I would have done to have the same year Z/28. :cool:

...(she is 5' tall) she either could not touch the pedals or was sitting too close to the steering wheel ...

At five feet tall, wouldn't that be the case in almost every car? How many cars have telescoping steering columns these days? Tilt yes, but telesoping? I thought that went out in the eighties.

Considering that the 2006 Cobalt SS-Super-charged coupe has a base price of $21,990. By 2009MY the Cobalts SS-SC base price should be around $22,995 which would be close to the starting price for the 09 base v6 Camaro.

Just comfy seats


sorry to take it out of context... but man the 4th gen seats are nice!

they are soo comfy... my friend drove my other friends 94 camaro z28 about 100 miles, then the next day he drove his SL500 Mercedies the same 100, and he had to give it up to the seats in the camaro made for a more comfortable ride...

similarly... a previous customer of mine, had a dodge van, replaced the dodge seats with camaro 4th gen seats... after he told me i realized the two tone color and realized it lol... and sure enough they were comfy in there too...

Considering that the 2006 Cobalt SS-Super-charged coupe has a base price of $21,990. By 2009MY the Cobalts SS-SC base price should be around $22,995 which would be close to the starting price for the 09 base v6 Camaro.

the SS cobalt needs to be faster IMO to the v6 camaro...

At five feet tall, wouldn't that be the case in almost every car? How many cars have telescoping steering columns these days? Tilt yes, but telesoping? I thought that went out in the eighties.

Mazda 3
Ford Focus
Volkswagen Golf, GTI, Passat, and Jetta
CHEVROLET MALIBU / MALIBU MAXX
CHEVROLET CORVETTE / Cadillac XLR
Cadillac STS
Cadillac DTS
Mazda 6 / Ford Fusion / Mercury Milan, Lincoln "Zephyr"
Honda Accord
BMW 3-series
Hyundai Azera, Sonata

Just to name a few.

Either way some people need it and/or height adjustable seats and/or pedals. With out atleast, preferably two of these features (Focus's have height adjustable seats and telescoping steering available) some people can not drive certain vehicles. When people NEED something that a car does not have, it does not matter how nice the rest of the car is, they are not going to buy that car.

They aren't the only ones that may not buy the car. Without these options, people that would otherwise leap at the chance to buy the vehicle are not allowed to because somebody important to them (that may need to drive it from time to time) would not be able to drive it safely. I am 6' 2" I have no problem what-so-ever driving a Camaro, but my girl may need to drive it occasionally while we are finishing school and it is just not safe for her. I will find a way to have one of the upcoming Camaros, pure and simple, but if I have to modify it by adding telescoping steering or adjustable pedals (I don't have the money or time to do that right now) just so my (soon to be) wife will be able to drive it, that will be the difference between me ordering it new or buying a used one.

IMO I think ALL new and/or updated cars and trucks that GM produces like the new Impala, Lucerne, the future Camaro, and 2007 trucks should have them (at least) optional. Seriously the Malibus have it, why can't the Camaro?

David

Just because this debate is sooooo much fun....

In a year where both have been available, Z28 has NEVER had more HP than SS.

Now comes the part where someone says the 302 was underrated and really made 450hp and the high compression lumpy cam 396 was a dog...

Then comes the part where someone points out the Z28 had teh better suspension and brakes therefore making it the top performance model, HP be damned.

roflmao

Ok, for the sake of fun. :D I wouldn't say the 302 never had more HP than an SS model. While it was true that the SS was a straight line beast, the Z28 w/ the 302 was an all around performer for the Trans Am racing series. Yes, I know that the rating from the factory was 290hp, but lets hear what Bill Howell, who was one of the top development engineers for Chevrolet at the time, had to say about the Z28's little ol' 302, "Stock-out-of-the-box 302s, under the gross horsepower test with the stock cam and exhaust manifold, were 340-350 horsepower. They underrated it somewhat for the street." Now that's not a backwoods redneck making these claims, that's a GM engineer who helped to develop the motor. That was, as he mentioned, a stock 302. Throw some of the factory race goodies on it and I'm sure it'd make a lot more power.

I always forget an important qualifier when i don't proofread.

Let me rephrase, z28 never had more *available* HP than SS.

hopefully that ends sidetracking the argument, not that it matters anway.

I also forgot the other good one, goes along with the suspension and brake thing. In today's world, a car can't just have a big engine and not have all the other 'sporting' goods. However, considering GM set the precedent in the 4th gen that SS gets all the best suspension and engine options, where does that leave us. Or does it even matter anyway....

I don't really care much either way. I only inject my thoughts into these posts because , well, the SS argument is so much easier to make, z28 only holds water if you are sentimental about the badge...

edit, reread my post, man i really just don't care, roflmao.

I always forget an important qualifier when i don't proofread.

Let me rephrase, z28 never had more *available* HP than SS.
In some cases, yes. Then again, the 1970-72 Z28 with the solid lifter 350 LT-1 made over 360 horsepower and the SS with either one of the optional 396s were rated at either 350 or 375. That's not a very large discrepancy. Not to mention some of the options that just weren't offered to the SS that were to the Z28.

hopefully that ends sidetracking the argument, not that it matters anway.

I also forgot the other good one, goes along with the suspension and brake thing. In today's world, a car can't just have a big engine and not have all the other 'sporting' goods. However, considering GM set the precedent in the 4th gen that SS gets all the best suspension and engine options, where does that leave us. Or does it even matter anyway....
GM in a lot of ways didn't really set that precendent, SLP did. Then again you can make the arguement "Well, GM approved it....". True. But for the most part the 4th gen SS wasn't much more than an appearance package. The "true" SS wasn't outfitted with all the suspension. Now the 4th generation Trans Am WS6 was fairly true to the original name. The classic Trans Ams with the WS6 option came with the beefier suspension and larger wheels (among other things). Probably the main reason they put the SS logo on the Camaro was because they didn't want to make up some new monicker. The SS sounds nicer than the Berlinetta or the LT anyways, lol. ;)

I don't really care much either way. I only inject my thoughts into these posts because , well, the SS argument is so much easier to make, z28 only holds water if you are sentimental about the badge...

edit, reread my post, man i really just don't care, roflmao.
True, the SS is the easier arguement. But I like a challenge! :D Also, the badge is sentimental for a reason, not 'just cause'. There's a lot of racing history behind the Z28 monicker. :)

sorry to take it out of context... but man the 4th gen seats are nice!

they are soo comfy... my friend drove my other friends 94 camaro z28 about 100 miles, then the next day he drove his SL500 Mercedies the same 100, and he had to give it up to the seats in the camaro made for a more comfortable ride...

similarly... a previous customer of mine, had a dodge van, replaced the dodge seats with camaro 4th gen seats... after he told me i realized the two tone color and realized it lol... and sure enough they were comfy in there too...

lol I'm sorry for continuing the out of context posting but I completely agree with you that 4th gen camaro FRONT seats are extremely comfy. On the other hand the BACK seats are living hell, literally.