I find it extremely funny

That everyone is afraid to talk about the leaked pics of the "camaro". LOL!

I assume they were real, otherwise every board wouldn't be pulling them off the net.

When our most trusted, respected, and admired connection straight to GM is upset about the leaked pictures, it's best to not discuss it and lose his trust. A mistake was made, the source that posted them appologized, case closed.

Because I don't think JasonD would appreciate the controversy of the leaked pictures on his website. He made a thread about it, but I guess he forgot to sticky it or something. It is on the front page though.

That everyone is afraid to talk about the leaked pics of the "camaro". LOL!

I assume they were real, otherwise every board wouldn't be pulling them off the net.

lol, its not the pics that i'm afraid of... its the multi billion dollar corperation that owns the pictures that i'm afraid of... for 2 reasons... suburbans rolling up to pick me up :D or the fact that another automotive company may benifit from the release of the photos prematurely

or the fact that another automotive company may benifit from the release of the photos prematurely

spot on, granted it's only a month early and it's obviously not what we will be seeing at naias, but that's the big part right there. imo it could've been twisted into a good thing, it wasn't a working car obviously (heck the whole body was held up by jackstands) but in some ways, i really would think it'd be healthy to allow discussion amongst those that did see it, we're the biggest camaro enthusiast community on the internet, it'd be nice to openly discuss our opinions on what we saw, maybe give a little feedback.

The site that released them didn't make "a mistake" IMO....they knew what they had in their hands, and wanted to be the first to let the perverbial cat out...they even put their site's watermark all over them. :rolleyes: Then in the post he said "if anyone has a problem with us posting these, contact us and we'll take them down"...gee don't you think you should ask permission first? Any respectable/reputable website would. I don't blame Scott for getting steamed.

Ahh well. Here's to another locked thread on the subject.

Yea that was about the lamest thing I've seen in a while. Putting their watermark over other people's property so they could be the first in the spotlight...I mean honestly.

And why wouldn't we be afraid if our discussion of the leaked pics could lead to the detrimental to the cars release?

I'm surprised this thread is still here. I had one wiped just for mentioning the existance. Time is short though and we'll all be looking at something cool soon enough. We've waited a LONG time. What's another few weeks?

The site that released them didn't make "a mistake" IMO....they knew what they had in their hands, and wanted to be the first to let the perverbial cat out...they even put their site's watermark all over them. :rolleyes: Then in the post he said "if anyone has a problem with us posting these, contact us and we'll take them down"...gee don't you think you should ask permission first? Any respectable/reputable website would. I don't blame Scott for getting steamed.

Ahh well. Here's to another locked thread on the subject.

because someone gave the pics to guy... he doesnt even know who he got the pics from... so the tracks are covered up everywhere... scott doesnt know who let them out nor does the person who put them up...

Now that the pics are everywhere I don't see the harm in discussing them. Isn't that what GM would want? Create a buzz & get input from enthusiasts? We're only a month away. The Challenger is already out there. Why let Dodge get all the press?

yea i think its out of gm's hands... toyota sites have it up on their forums and people who dont care about the success of GM... so at that point they wont be respectful toward the company anyway...

i think its out of hand the minute it was released...

lets just not get too specific in discussion, thats how I got my thread deleted yesterday

The site that released them didn't make "a mistake" IMO....they knew what they had in their hands, and wanted to be the first to let the perverbial cat out...they even put their site's watermark all over them. :rolleyes: Then in the post he said "if anyone has a problem with us posting these, contact us and we'll take them down"...gee don't you think you should ask permission first? Any respectable/reputable website would. I don't blame Scott for getting steamed.

Ahh well. Here's to another locked thread on the subject.

EXACTLY!

Interesting.

because someone gave the pics to guy... he doesnt even know who he got the pics from... so the tracks are covered up everywhere... scott doesnt know who let them out nor does the person who put them up...
THat just wrong!

Tony knew damned good and well that these were NOT meant for public consumption...but chose to flaunt it....and then made up lame excuses as to pleading ignorance.

I'm kind of disappointed that the pics got leaked. NOT with the pics themselves (I admit, I stumbled across them, but on another message board) but I have that sort of "guilty" feeling like finding a Christmas present before Christmas:rolleyes:. It basically ruins the surprise, and I was looking forward to the surprise at Detroit:cool:. But now the "secret" is out. Not like everybody didn't "know" already, but I still think it was best kept under wraps:(.

The site that released them didn't make "a mistake" IMO....they knew what they had in their hands, and wanted to be the first to let the perverbial cat out...they even put their site's watermark all over them. :rolleyes:

100% correct. They said they didn't know that they were any different from the 100 other concepts out there. Oh yea? Don't think so. Well why didn't they smear their logo all over those other 100 concepts? Yea they knew what they had this time. That site is getting a bit too big for themselves. I lurk there but I see a ton of arrogance and cockiness.

Then in the post he said "if anyone has a problem with us posting these, contact us and we'll take them down"...gee don't you think you should ask permission first? Any respectable/reputable website would. I don't blame Scott for getting steamed.

100% correct again. They claim they worked with GM in times before...then shouldn't they know better by now? They sure are backpedalling now. They ruined it for tons of people.

So Doug you ever plan to post over at LS1tech again?

I saw so much ignorance over there yesterday I could hardly read it.

For those who have seen it, and I have. It does look alot like a photochop that has been making the rounds on the net for quite awhile. And I'm betting no one will post that pic here any more either. :D

Well, now I'm torn between the Challenger, Camaro or Next Gen GTO. :D

because someone gave the pics to guy... he doesnt even know who he got the pics from... so the tracks are covered up everywhere... scott doesnt know who let them out nor does the person who put them up...

But the pics are somebody's property, and LS1tech didn't have permission from the owner of the pictures to post them. In fact, NOBODY has permission. So whether they're on a Toyota site at the moment or a Le Car site, GM will eventually be contacting them to have them removed.

I've seen them pop up and then be deleted on like 3 different boards this morning alone. I refuse to put them up on any of the sites I'm affiliated with, both to minimize risk exposure and out of respect for Scott and what GM's been working to deliver to us. We made the announcement last night on LS1LT1.com that anyone who posts the pics will get banned instantly.

For those who have seen it, and I have. It does look alot like a photochop that has been making the rounds on the net for quite awhile. And I'm betting no one will post that pic here any more either. :D

Well, now I'm torn between the Challenger, Camaro or Next Gen GTO. :D

I'm torn too....but it is nice to finally have some choices out there.

Anyone else feel like a shaken up can of coke ready to explode?

I "find it extremely funny" that this forum has been dedicated to the second coming of the f-body for the last 4 years and has discussed nearly every rumor, spy shot, and hypothetical possibility imaginable about the 5th-gen... yet when actual plausible information is leaked, it becomes taboo to discuss.

It's like two kids describing their dads to each other when neither has seen the other kids dad... talking about who's dad could kick who's ass, who's stronger, who drives a cooler car, etc, etc... but the day they finally meet, neither kid will say a word about what they've spent the last 2 years talking about because they don't want dad to hear.:D

so they leaked out...WTF is the big deal honestly?

I can bet that if you saw the pics, you'll still be surprised by the NAIAS time. If I remember correctly in one of the original discussions at ls1tech, someone said it looks a lot like the car that was at one of the design clinics, so you aren't looking at the exact concept, and it's definitely going to change by the time of production. My only gesture is that we all saw the Challenger pics and it was turned into a very positive news buzz. If GM will allow us, let's turn it into a positive thing and get a huge buzz going for the new Camaro! It's only one month away, with us enthusiasts going crazy in joy for seeing the pics, let's create even MORE excitement for NAIAS.

I "find it extremely funny" that this forum has been dedicated to the second coming of the f-body for the last 4 years and has discussed nearly every rumor, spy shot, and hypothetical possibility imaginable about the 5th-gen... yet when actual plausible information is leaked, it becomes taboo to discuss.

It's like two kids describing their dads to each other when neither has seen the other kids dad... talking about who's dad could kick who's ass, who's stronger, who drives a cooler car, etc, etc... but the day they finally meet, neither kid will say a word about what they've spent the last 2 years talking about because they don't want dad to hear.:D

Well I don’t know what to see because I was nicely told to be quite yesterday after my thread was deleted. I guess I’m a bit afraid to dive too deep into this. I’d lose my mind if I ever got banned from here.

I have a huge passion for this car, more than I can explain. I miss my 4th gen everyday. I love this community. I was over a Ls1tech last night and they act like a bunch a winy kids. I’m going to do my best to respect the higher ups around here and stay mostly quite about this situation for the time being.

Though again, this is very weird how quite this forum has been in the last 24 hours.

so they leaked out...WTF is the big deal honestly?

go read Jasons Sticky

So Doug you ever plan to post over at LS1tech again?

I saw so much ignorance over there yesterday I could hardly read it.

Ah hell, it don't bother me none....LOL! I have to laugh at the e-thugs of the world.

Tony's response was out of line....but about what I expected of him.:rolleyes:

So how did LS1tech.com get them? By the way, firebirdv6.com still has them on their site...

I can bet that if you saw the pics, you'll still be surprised by the NAIAS time. If I remember correctly in one of the original discussions at ls1tech, someone said it looks a lot like the car that was at one of the design clinics, so you aren't looking at the exact concept, and it's definitely going to change by the time of production. My only gesture is that we all saw the Challenger pics and it was turned into a very positive news buzz. If GM will allow us, let's turn it into a positive thing and get a huge buzz going for the new Camaro! It's only one month away, with us enthusiasts going crazy in joy for seeing the pics, let's create even MORE excitement for NAIAS.

That sounds like the right response. I was over at a Mopar board and guys were emailing Dodge with positive feedback on the design. Couldn't we do the same?

I "find it extremely funny" that this forum has been dedicated to the second coming of the f-body for the last 4 years and has discussed nearly every rumor, spy shot, and hypothetical possibility imaginable about the 5th-gen... yet when actual plausible information is leaked, it becomes taboo to discuss.

It's like two kids describing their dads to each other when neither has seen the other kids dad... talking about who's dad could kick who's ass, who's stronger, who drives a cooler car, etc, etc... but the day they finally meet, neither kid will say a word about what they've spent the last 2 years talking about because they don't want dad to hear.:D


Exactly. I think everyone is in some kind of shock. :D

I "find it extremely funny" that this forum has been dedicated to the second coming of the f-body for the last 4 years and has discussed nearly every rumor, spy shot, and hypothetical possibility imaginable about the 5th-gen... yet when actual plausible information is leaked, it becomes taboo to discuss.
I think we were "cheated" though ..... like finding your wife in bed with another guy ..... how do you really "talk" about that after the fact?:rolleyes:

I can bet that if you saw the pics, you'll still be surprised by the NAIAS time. If I remember correctly in one of the original discussions at ls1tech, someone said it looks a lot like the car that was at one of the design clinics, so you aren't looking at the exact concept, and it's definitely going to change by the time of production. My only gesture is that we all saw the Challenger pics and it was turned into a very positive news buzz. If GM will allow us, let's turn it into a positive thing and get a huge buzz going for the new Camaro! It's only one month away, with us enthusiasts going crazy in joy for seeing the pics, let's create even MORE excitement for NAIAS.

This very thread and ones like it to me, generate buzz. I for one won't be going out to find any pics that may have leaked but my excitement and anticipation has been heightened! Something big is coming and the train is picking up speed :D

I'm kind of disappointed that the pics got leaked. NOT with the pics themselves (I admit, I stumbled across them, but on another message board) but I have that sort of "guilty" feeling like finding a Christmas present before Christmas:rolleyes:. It basically ruins the surprise, and I was looking forward to the surprise at Detroit:cool:. But now the "secret" is out. Not like everybody didn't "know" already, but I still think it was best kept under wraps:(.

Pretty much how i feel. Ill admit when i hear about them i did go searching with a voice in the back of my mind saying wait for the unveiling, but i couldnt help it. I must say that it is one heck of cool looking car:bow:

Scott, Can i be a test driver?:D :p

I'm now convinced that the next gen GTO will look similiar to the Camaro concept. Only because the "camaro" concept reminded me alot of the 99 GTO Concept, especially the roofline and rear 1/4 panels.

Maybe GM will also show the next GTO at NAIAS. I heard that it would along with a Sunfire replacement. But who knows anymore of what's really going on at GM. :D

I can bet that if you saw the pics, you'll still be surprised by the NAIAS time. If I remember correctly in one of the original discussions at ls1tech, someone said it looks a lot like the car that was at one of the design clinics, so you aren't looking at the exact concept, and it's definitely going to change by the time of production. My only gesture is that we all saw the Challenger pics and it was turned into a very positive news buzz. If GM will allow us, let's turn it into a positive thing and get a huge buzz going for the new Camaro! It's only one month away, with us enthusiasts going crazy in joy for seeing the pics, let's create even MORE excitement for NAIAS.
I don't know why GM would be going crazy trying to get all these pics taken off the internet if they didn't at least resemble the car that will be shown.

I don't know why GM would be going crazy trying to get all these pics taken off the internet if they didn't at least resemble the car that will be shown.

just because they may or maynot resmble the concept... they possibly have styling cues that may be present in refresh version of the car... that is an expensive clay car... why waste the money

Well Scott pretty much gave the "ok" to talk about it. :)

I "find it extremely funny" that this forum has been dedicated to the second coming of the f-body for the last 4 years and has discussed nearly every rumor, spy shot, and hypothetical possibility imaginable about the 5th-gen... yet when actual plausible information is leaked, it becomes taboo to discuss.

It's like two kids describing their dads to each other when neither has seen the other kids dad... talking about who's dad could kick who's ass, who's stronger, who drives a cooler car, etc, etc... but the day they finally meet, neither kid will say a word about what they've spent the last 2 years talking about because they don't want dad to hear.:D

LOL. I hate to agree with you, but I agree with you on this one.

BTW....looks like they have been taken down from just about everywhere.

Well Scott pretty much gave the "ok" to talk about it. :)

With respects to Scott, and excepting the owner of the forum (of course), why does anybody need to give the "ok" to talk about something?

With respects to Scott, and excepting the owner of the forum (of course), why does anybody need to give the "ok" to talk about something?

because of legal issues...

you cant say bomb on a plane...

Legal issues say you can't discuss a picture you saw on the internet? Ok.

And screaming "bomb" on a plane is hardly relevant, IMO.

Legal issues say you can't discuss a picture you saw on the internet? Ok.

And screaming "bomb" on a plane is hardly relevant, IMO.

how is it hardly relitive... the reason you cant say bomb on a plane is that you possibly can injur someone, the reproccusions of the statement can injur someone...

same as here... the more we talk about what we saw, the more GM might be pissed off and want to legally charge the adminstration of LS1Tech.com of theft and vandilism. These pictures theft is likely to cost GM a lot of money, so... how is bomb not relevent... if Jason says dont talk about it, if Scott says not to talk about it, its for the best intrest of GM and fellow enthusiasts...

Legal issues say you can't discuss a picture you saw on the internet? Ok.

And screaming "bomb" on a plane is hardly relevant, IMO.

Going back to the first post in this thread. Nobody was "scared" to talk about it, fact is until about 2 hours ago every thread on the topic posted was deleted PROMPTLY by moderators/admins.

So its sort of like putting your hand on a hot stove...after a few posts got deleted and the Announcement went up about it then we all kind of got the picture that it was taboo here.

Newbie.....forget it, it's not relative in my eyes. If it is in yours, ok.

Chris...Ok. And as I stated in my first post, if that is the decision of those that run the site, then I'll respect it (agree or not).

I don' think it's good that pics were shown...But, what's worse is that they are still out on the net...GM should put out a notice of some sort to tell people to take them off internet sites....

What about those people who saved those pics onto their hard drives? Should GM now come after them also?

What about those people who saved those pics onto their hard drives? Should GM now come after them also?

scott said it was okay to talk about...

scott also said the security team said it was too out of hand to try to controll and that is why he is asking for our opinions...

if you had government files, you'd better belive the government would be on your ass...

Legal issues say you can't discuss a picture you saw on the internet? Ok.

And screaming "bomb" on a plane is hardly relevant, IMO.

How ironic you make that statement since someone screamed bomb on a plane today and was shot killed.

What about those people who saved those pics onto their hard drives? Should GM now come after them also?

I'm not saying that GM should go after anyone...I'm just saying that they should put out something requesting that people take the pics down and that mags don't run any article until after Jan 9th...Just something for the enthusiast sites that would basically say that if you have any repsect for the hard work put in by guys like Scott that you should take the pics down...That's all:shrug:

whoa whoa whoa, this is news to me. actual pics and you guys are like "take them down, wait for the unvieling.."

What kinda Enthusiasts are you guys?

Someone PM them to me, or atleast tell me where to find said pics.

Someguy on supercars.com still has the pics as his sig.:mad:

It's just that Scott was upset about the pics being shown...If not for that I'd be all for them being let out...Honestly I don't think that GM has anything to worry from Ford or Dodge....

It's just that Scott was upset about the pics being shown...If not for that I'd be all for them being let out...Honestly I don't think that GM has anything to worry from Ford or Dodge....

I can understand Scott being upset. but Its not his fault. and we've been waiting a long time for this and anytime Lutz Mentions "camaro" it gets like 10 pages just for a blurb.

As an enthusiast, I'm pissed that I missed them due to exams this week:eek:

I can also understand the problems this could cause for GM. I just read some of the thread over at LS1tech. They were being pretty ignorant.

Scott's been really good to ALL the F-body enthusiasts. It's really a small sacrifice to make to wait a few more weeks. This board has also been great. That's why when an admin or Scott make a request not to show or distrubute the pics, folks here take it seriously. Besides, it's not like nobody will ever see them again. We all will.

GM goes through all kinds of trouble to keep designs under wrap until the last moment. I guess I don't understand why some folks take it personally. Maybe, just maybe they have a reason for waiting?? If ya think you know it all, I'm sure you that you're probably missing something.

I'm sure Chrysler is going over those pics with a fine tooth comb. :D

Scott's been really good to ALL the F-body enthusiasts. It's really a small sacrifice to make to wait a few more weeks. This board has also been great. That's why when an admin or Scott make a request not to show or distrubute the pics, folks here take it seriously. Besides, it's not like nobody will ever see them again. We all will.

GM goes through all kinds of trouble to keep designs under wrap until the last moment. I guess I don't understand why some folks take it personally. Maybe, just maybe they have a reason for waiting?? If ya think you know it all, I'm sure you that you're probably missing something.


Problem is, I would have just thought "oh hey another Camaro Rendering" but when I heard they were pulled and GM was upset. then it makes me think they are real.

am I alone on this?

Edit: once they are out, its all over. Only thing GM could have done was #1 Deny, #2 ask for feedback on the "coupe"

I can't believe there are people acting holier than thou over this. :rolleyes:

I still have my curiousity as to whether this was done intentionally or not. After all, it was emailed confidenially to the biggest F-body forum on the web, and then taken down after a couple hours.

I thank Scott for not going off the deep end, and respect him for taking our opinions. I'm in love the concept each and every time I see it. :bow:

I'm pretty ticked that I missed this also. When did this happen. Oh well what is the date for the release of the official pics. How long will it be after the unveiling before we get some pics.

How ironic you make that statement since someone screamed bomb on a plane today and was shot killed.

And what exactly does this have to do with the subject at hand????? It might be coincidental, but I don't see any irony.

BTW....I didn't bring up "bomb" or "plane". Rather, I replied to it.

I'm pretty ticked that I missed this also. When did this happen. Oh well what is the date for the release of the official pics. How long will it be after the unveiling before we get some pics.

Press Day is 1/9/06, expect pics within a few minutes of the doors opening. I think it will even be broadcast online live.

And what exactly does this have to do with the subject at hand????? It might be coincidental, but I don't see any irony.

BTW....I didn't bring up "bomb" or "plane". Rather, I replied to it.

Oh nothing to do with the subject at hand and I didn’t mean it confrontationally, so simmer down now. :p

I read bomb and plane and typed that out, yeah I guess coincidental not ironic is the right word.

Anyway I'll stop rambling….

10-4 rubber duck. :)

It'd be cool if GM released these as decoys.

This is news to me. :shrug: Oh well, guess I'll just have to wait to see it.