Who are you going to vote for?

This is a personal matter but an anonymous poll is included. :D

i vote for no aircare, a new 5th gen camaro and low insurance and gas costs. whoever gets me those can have my vote:D

You need to add "Communist party" for one of our regular members.

:)

as long as the NDP stays out, i couldn't care less...

that is unless they raise income taxes or discourage small business, then i don't like them

screw healthcare and education, we should be made to pay for them ourselves (think england, not america on this)

and dammit, get rid of welfare for those who abuse it (not easily done) and stop supporting native ppl, i just couldn't care less for them in this day and age (b/c they really give nothing, their 'historic' culture is a sham in this day and age)

as long as the NDP stays out, i couldn't care less...

that is unless they raise income taxes or discourage small business, then i don't like them

screw healthcare and education, we should be made to pay for them ourselves (think england, not america on this)

and dammit, get rid of welfare for those who abuse it (not easily done) and stop supporting native ppl, i just couldn't care less for them in this day and age (b/c they really give nothing, their 'historic' culture is a sham in this day and age)
That's pretty much how I feel too.

That's pretty much how I feel too.
isn't it funny how most of the time ppl will frown upon you when you say something like this, but really, i bet 90% of ppl feel the same way

VOTE CONSERVATIVE. Liberals are trying to take away our rights, starting with the alleged gun ban on pistols. Ian, you're from the UK, right? You know all about how crime skyrocketed following the handgun ban?
90% of the guns used in crimes here are FROM THE US!!
****ing stupid Liberals, if they're that dumb I don't want them running this country. Scandals, lies and idiotic ideas.

I don't see any Libertarians in that list.

Mr00Jimbo is a neo communist, so he will be voting for his close personal friend Mr Jack Layton.

Forget about Kay-beck. I want to give the FU to Ontario for electing these turkeys over and over again. They're the ones that elect the prime ministers.

Why would we want to be like England? They have 40% federal tax at low income levels.

Here is a website for Mr"boobs"Jimbo.

http://annexationbc.com/

im voting liberal

I don't see any Libertarians in that list.

Mr00Jimbo is a neo communist, so he will be voting for his close personal friend Mr Jack Layton.

Forget about Kay-beck. I want to give the FU to Ontario for electing these turkeys over and over again. They're the ones that elect the prime ministers.

Why would we want to be like England? They have 40% federal tax at low income levels.
sorry, but why would we want to be like england?? you are taxed less there than here

and, taking guns away has nothing to do with our rights... having a deadly weapon is not a right... and no, violence wouldn't go up because of a ban on guns, it goes up because the world is overcrowding itself... no guns = GREAT idea... wont help much, b/c most gun violence is with illegal guns anyway, but its a start

and, taking guns away has nothing to do with our rights... having a deadly weapon is not a right... and no, violence wouldn't go up because of a ban on guns,

No?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1440764.stm
A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.

Or Australia...
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/aus.html
OBSERVABLE FACT, AFTER 12 MONTHS OF DATA:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2%
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6%
Australia-wide, armed-robberies are up 44% (yes, FORTY-FOUR PERCENT)
In the state of Victoria, homicides-with-firearms are up 300%
Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in homicides-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past 12 months)
Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in armed-robbery-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past 12 months)
There has been a dramatic increase in breakins-and-assaults-of- the-elderly
At the time of the ban, the Prime Minister said "self-defense is not a reason for owning a firearm"

Ian, 90% of the guns are coming from the US, why does a legitamate owner like me have to suffer? It's like saying since some people have fast cars and race them in dangerous places, the guys who go to the track should have their engines detuned to 100 hp because that's all they'll ever need.

Australia and the UK both admit their gun ban idea was not a success. Why do you think the gun ban doesn't work? Here's why; when legitamate citizens are told they can no longer have guns, they think "**** now I have to get rid of them," but the legitamate market is deemed illegal, so the only people willing to buy them are criminals willing to inflict harm. Compare gun crimes to car crashes causing death, medical accidents, drug overdoses, etc. etc.
Remember, Prohibiton was the thing that made the Italian Mafia start up and become so powerful; making something illegal gives it street value and allows criminals to control the market. It's ignorant to think even a quarter of guns in Canada are registered...plus, hundreds are coming in from the US by the day.
Remember the 2 BILLION dollar Lie-beral gun registry? Well handgun crime went up 55%. Whoops! :o

you and your f*ckin gun fetish ... why the f*ck do you need a gun man .. you're starting to sound like charlton heston ..

someone your age shouldnt even be allowed to own a gun .. if anything they should raise the age to 25 or 30 ... frankly i feel less safe knowing you have guns in your posession and that other 19 year olds can get guns as easy as beer ...

if you and all the other hooligans in my neighbourhood start totin guns, hey Im gonna have to get one to protect myself .. welcome to texas

wow well put payam, LOL. seriously its not just a handgun ban, its combined with increased enforcement with border patrol and gun smuggling, increased funding with rcmp and a rat line where you can call in on people and get rewarded for ratting on someone you know who has a illeagle hand gun. frankly this doesnt affect me, i dont own a gun and dont plan to so i dont care. and if i wanted to i would buy parts off of ebay and put one together myself, LOL

you and your f*ckin gun fetish ... why the f*ck do you need a gun man .. you're starting to sound like charlton heston ..
For fun. I go shooting. Why do you need a car that's not like, an 85 horsepower Golf Diesel? People could argue that cars capable of exceeding the speed limit should be banned, and microchips should automatically call the police every time you speed.

if you and all the other hooligans in my neighbourhood start totin guns, hey Im gonna have to get one to protect myself .. welcome to texas
Actually, it's a legitamate and registered firearm. The ones used in crime are unregistered. I'm a lot more scared of some drivers than any legitamate person with a gun. The ban has nothing to do with anything preventing crmie. Even the Vancouver Police Department think that it's stupid and a waste of time and money.

thats retarded .. why dont you leave ur gun at the range then ? speeding and owning a deadly weapon have nothing to do with each other... guns used in crimes are unregistered, but who says registered guns cant be used in crimes ? and even if the guy who used it ends up getting caught later .. that won't really help the fact that he could've possibly killed someone ..

I've seen how easy it is to buy ammo and guns .. hell we went together that other day ... any 19 year old can own a guy, get hammered and start shootin up the place .. yes there are plenty of stupid people out there .. I would feel MUCH Safer if people couldnt get their hands on guns as easily ... its like buying milk at safeway for f*cks sake ..

if you only wanted your gun for fun, you would've left it at the range, or just rented a gun .. or whatever the hell else .. not saying you will use your gun where its not supposed to be used .. but im sure some other 19 year old will someday. im all for the gun ban .. f*ck guns .. i dont see any point for owning one. not for your purposes anyway ..

on many occasions Ive asked you why you need a gun .. you didnt just say for shootin at the range .. you also mentioned protection ..

if you only wanted your gun for fun, you would've left it at the range
Would it make you feel comfortable when criminals know exactly where the guns are stored, break in and steal them from the range?
just rented a gun
Not possible
on many occasions Ive asked you why you need a gun .. you didnt just say for shootin at the range .. you also mentioned protection ..
If it ever came down to it, sure. I'm not heartless to kill a human being, but if I had an obligation to do it I would.
Only 7 million out of an estimated 40+ million guns in Canada are registered. How does me having a legitamately obtained one make you uneasy?

criminals know where all the gun shops are .. they could easily break in there and steal their guns .. im sure the gun ranges can build the same if not better security for their gun lockers

what makes me uneasy is how easy it is to obtain a gun .. i couldnt care less about yours, but i could care about some other jackass 19 year old who isnt responsible for a deadly weapon but can get it anyday he feels like going to the store.

you have no valid points.. and have absolutely no need to keep a gun in your house. the fact that you said you would kill someone if you had to should be enough to have your gun and license taken away.

criminals know where all the gun shops are .. they could easily break in there and steal their guns .. im sure the gun ranges can build the same if not better security for their gun lockers gun shops have highly secured systems of survelence and security you have to bypass. Gun ranges because of the noise, are isolated and cops would not be able to respond in time.

what makes me uneasy is how easy it is to obtain a gun .. i couldnt care less about yours, but i could care about some other jackass 19 year old who isnt responsible for a deadly weapon but can get it anyday he feels like going to the store.
It's not as easy as going into the store, there's bigger processes involved. Canada is a gun-happy Country...just not in the cities where the only exposure people get are the odd joe who uses one improperly. There's absolutely no way a law is going to revoke the guns off the street. No way.

you have no valid points.. and have absolutely no need to keep a gun in your house. the fact that you said you would kill someone if you had to should be enough to have your gun and license taken away.
It's within reasonable Canadian law that the use of deadly force is justified for death or seriously bodily harm. You're only basing upon what you hear in the media? 40 million guns, and very few murders per year?

Outlawing or even severely regulating guns is just stupid. I mean look at the Liberals gun control program spend 2 BILLION and have nothing to show for it.

Never mind that none of the provinces wanted this money pit program. They all voted against it, but it was rammed down their throats by the Federal Liberals. Also no one wants to even enforce the dumb thing. The provinces say they won’t, but the Feds say they have too. Nobody does anything about it, it’s a complete joke. There are less than 20 firearms enforcement offices in ALL OF CANADA!!! How the hell are they supposed get anything done when there is only 20 of them. It would be like one person trying to put out a forest fire by pissing on it.

Regardless if the gun is registered or unregistered and a crime is committed with it, it should be the person who committed the crime that should be punished. Not legitimate guns owners, but that’s what they seem to do. Just slap the criminal on the wrist, tell them guns are bad and send them on their way. Then bring in legislation that basically says only criminals can have guns. Absolute lunacy!! What is needed is a punishment that fits the crime. Now I’m not advocating the Death penalty or saying we should even consider it. I’m saying you can’t just let the person walk away with no consequence.

I mean give me a break firearm related deaths account for less than 3% of the total death rate in Canada. I’d be more worried about the other 97% than the 3%. You have a higher likelihood of getting hit by a car when waking down the street. And you know all those numbers they spout when they say that traveling by plane is the safest way to travel, well you have a higher percentage of dieing in a plane crash then of being shot by a gun.

EDIT: After doing a little research, firearms related deaths account for actually less than 1% of the total death rate in Canada.

Exactly! T his is like the government saying, "OMG street racing is so bad, we're going to shut mission down to stop people from street racing."

:eek: LOL!! Why are there 2 votes for the Bloc????

What I find so interesting is how the liberals are making this a hot political topic and trying to turn attention away from their whole sponsorship scandal.

When the program in question is about 1.8- 2 BILLION dollars over budget and was only supposed to have a maximum cost to the taxpayer of about 20 million. The rest of the money coming from the fees of registering guns.

And never mind that over a quarter of that cost is from the government switching back a forth between different computer systems, to just try and maintain a database. A database that kept on crashing, let some wack job register his Black & Decker heat gun and a glue gun. I wonder if the tech company supplying the computer systems was Liberal friendly!!?? Because it seems that they were totally incompetent of even setting up a computer, let alone a database to register firearms.:think: HMMMM this sounds familiar incompetent people trying to do a job, lots of money that seems to have just disappeared, and no apparent benefit from it.

I mean here we are worried about a measly 150 million dollars in the sponsorship scandal and this program has already lost 1.8 to 2 BILLION dollars. If you ask me it’s a bigger scandal.

I guess it’s just like the saying “One death is a tragedy, A million is a statistic” because it seems no one is even worried about it or even cares. :blah: Just imagine if the government had spent that 2 BILLION on more police, health care and other social programs. Maybe we wouldn’t be in the situation that we are in right now.

well put

one thing for me is, i want to get into guns, i have always been facinated with them, i respect their power and also find them design masterpieces. for them to deny me a hobby that i like is rediculous. why dont they ban marbles cuz im sure theres a similar death rate to kids choking on them then people dieing from REGISTERED fire arms owners. the screening process is pretty tight as it is right now. if a criminal is gonna get a gun, he will. they dont buy guns from stores and register them:rolleyes:

I really couldn't care less about guns.

Here's what I care about: The President needs to be a figurehead for the country. It is his duty to represent us. Most of the rest of the duties are proxied through assistants and experts. The only duty he does entirely on his own is stand at the podium (any podium) and speak to the nation and/or the world. The world's opinion of the United States hinges directly on the impression he leaves on his audience.

Our current president leaves a really crappy impression on the worldwide audience. Whether or not he's actually intelligent, he doesn't appear that way. He appears to be a rock-em-sock-em cowboy that's hell-bent on avenging his father and pushing his Christian beliefs on the world while denying that he's doing any of that.

It doesn't matter at all whether he's actually that guy. He seems like that guy, and that's all that matters.

The President needs to seem like someone who actually cares. He needs to seem smart. He needs to speak eloquently.

He does need to actually be smart, but I can't tell that without meeting him in person, and that's not going to happen for any candidates in the forseeable future.

Long story short: I want Clinton back. I'll settle for his wife.

Political thread... why hasn't this been closed?

I really couldn't care less about guns.

Here's what I care about: The President needs to be a figurehead for the country. It is his duty to represent us. Most of the rest of the duties are proxied through assistants and experts. The only duty he does entirely on his own is stand at the podium (any podium) and speak to the nation and/or the world. The world's opinion of the United States hinges directly on the impression he leaves on his audience.

Our current president leaves a really crappy impression on the worldwide audience. Whether or not he's actually intelligent, he doesn't appear that way. He appears to be a rock-em-sock-em cowboy that's hell-bent on avenging his father and pushing his Christian beliefs on the world while denying that he's doing any of that.

It doesn't matter at all whether he's actually that guy. He seems like that guy, and that's all that matters.

The President needs to seem like someone who actually cares. He needs to seem smart. He needs to speak eloquently.

He does need to actually be smart, but I can't tell that without meeting him in person, and that's not going to happen for any candidates in the forseeable future.

Long story short: I want Clinton back. I'll settle for his wife.

Political thread... why hasn't this been closed?


umm .. we dont have presidents in Canada .. and hate to break it down to you .. but your president doesnt count in our country .. so thanks for sharing your opinions :)

on another note .. I agree with the points you made .. your president is a dickhead :) and I feel sorry for you on that !

Heh... sorry, I didn't notice that you guys were talking about Canada. I didn't realize gun control was a major issue up there!

Yeah, my president is an assface. I didn't vote for him...

I vote for the Notorious NDP!

Here's a political joke from another forum I am on. Enjoy. :D
CLASSIC VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his
house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks
he's a fool,
and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant
is
warm and well fed. The shivering grasshopper has no food or shelter, so
he
dies out in the cold.

THE END


THE CANADIAN VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his
house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks
he's a fool,
and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant
is
warm and well fed. So far, so good, eh?

The shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know
why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others
less fortunate, like him, are cold and starving.

The CBC shows up to provide live coverage of the shivering
grasshopper, with cuts to a video of the ant in his comfortable warm
home with a table laden
with food.

Canadians are stunned that in a country of such wealth, this poor
grasshopper is allowed to suffer so while others have plenty.

The NDP, the CAW and the Coalition Against Poverty demonstrate in
front of the ant's house. The CBC, interrupting an Inuit cultural
festival special
from Nunavut with breaking news, broadcasts them singing "We Shall
Overcome."

Sven Robinson rants in an interview with Pamela Wallin that the ant
has

gotten rich off the backs of grasshoppers, and calls for an immediate
tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share".

In response to polls, the Liberal Government drafts the Economic
Equity and Grasshopper Anti-Discrimination Act, retroactive to the
beginning of the
summer.

The ant's taxes are reassessed, and he is also fined for failing to
hire grasshoppers as helpers.

Without enough money to pay both the fine and his newly imposed
retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.

The ant moves to the US, and starts a successful agribiz company.

The CBC later shows the now fat grasshopper finishing up the last of
the ant's food, though Spring is still months away, while the
government house
he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around
him
because he hasn't bothered to maintain it.

Inadequate government funding is blamed, Roy Romanow is appointed to
head a commission of enquiry that will cost $10,000,000.

The grasshopper is soon dead of a drug overdose, the Toronto Star
blames it on the obvious failure of government to address the root
causes of despair
arising from social inequity.

The abandoned house is taken over by a gang of immigrant spiders,
praised by the government for enriching Canada's multicultural
diversity, who promptly
set up a marijuana grow op and terrorize the community.

THE END

Lol

as long as the NDP stays out, i couldn't care less...

that is unless they raise income taxes or discourage small business, then i don't like them

screw healthcare and education, we should be made to pay for them ourselves (think england, not america on this)

and dammit, get rid of welfare for those who abuse it (not easily done) and stop supporting native ppl, i just couldn't care less for them in this day and age (b/c they really give nothing, their 'historic' culture is a sham in this day and age)


Damn Right!!

CONSERVATIVE!! We need less taxes, less government, less gun control, etc. I don't know where these liberals are coming from. And Gun control... Why should we (legitamate gun owners) be punished for thugs using illegal weapons???:confused: I aint giving up My guns!!

Lets take two theoretical extremes on a continuum.

Lets pretend that there Are NO HAND GUNS available. They don't even make them. Now, how many people would die of handguns? ummmmm. Zero.

Ok now lets go to the other extreme, lets pretend that EVERY person that reaches the age of 19 is given a hand gun automatically by government. How many people would potentially die from hand guns. Ummmmm. More then zero.

If we would reasonably presume that based on that continuum that the fewer guns that exist, the fewer / less likely it is that people would die from handguns. I think any reasonable person would agree with that.

The problem is, that Pandoras box is already open and you cannot put the lid on. This is certainly more true of the US and Australia, to a lesser degree, Canada and certainly the UK. thus I have little hope that society is going to be able to roll back the use of handguns unfortunatley but I think any attempt to frustrate the ownership of them is fine. As far as I'm concerned there is plenty of rules in place for the legitimate sport gun owner so i don't see the need to clamp down on them any further.

I don't have the answer I just no that LESS hand guns at large is better then more. I don't have much time for anyone who is a gun defender.

I noticed the votes for the Liberals.

I just don't understand how it is that peope are willing to overlook the corruption, arrogance and simple lieing of th eLiberal party.

*shakes head*

one has to assume that people afraid of the alternative (Conservatives) but again i don't know why.

i defend guns for the reason of collecting, sport shooting, like target etc. not, i need a bazooka for self defence and shooting living things. i feel pretty damn safe here. the programs we have now make it hard to get one, which is good. when i was in nevada i felt safe there also, and they are a lax state with gun policy:cool:

NDP all the way!!! Say NO to Liberals and especially NOOOOOOOO to Conservatives.

im voting liberal, because the alternative isnt good enough, we will all end up with the exact same government we have now, minority liberal and this will be a huge waste of time and money. the liberal hand gun policy is just as stupid as the conservative ice breaker policy, " hey lets patrol the great white north incase the penguins attack" so what if the US uses our artic water, rent it out to them and make some money atleast.

Handgun ban isn't nessasarily about hand guns parsay, it's about trying to convince you that they should be able to tell you what's right and what's wrong. Pretty soon someone's gonna slip on a banana peel and they will come pre-peeled so that you cannot use it to make somebody slip.
If anybody wants to see the positive effects of a handgun ban, they should check out what's happening in the UK. Handguns banned. They want to ban kitchen knives. then issue cufews. Nothing stops those brits.

NDP all the way, they have no stupid ideas.

really, this thread is stupid, everyone here has their own agenda, and they will each try to preach that their agenda is most important...

jimbo seems obsessed with trashing my home nation, its a lot safer place than north america (although vancouver, for the most part is very safe, everywhere has its bad parts) - unless you've been there and lived the life, i wouldn't keep on spouting numbers, just my thoughts..

as for politicians, the liberals, i feel, are no more corrupt than any other group of politicians, they're all gonna take us for a ride, unfortunately its human nature when one gains a degree of power...

my agenda is what it is, hence why i vote conservative, others are helped most by the ideologies of the NDP, which is fine, but really... threads like these end up in arguing matches (as does any discussion on matters of politics)...

all i know, is that you should all do research, don't vote on a hunch, vote for the group that BEST fits ur personal goals... and we should all be made to vote, even if its just to spoil a ballot, just give ur voice

Hahaha, Jimbo still pushing for guns I see.

Here is a thread where I shot some holes in his thesis on violence. http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=401420&page=2

Here is what happens to big cities with lots of guns. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3541466.html

CONSERVATIVE!! We need less taxes, less government, less gun control, etc. I don't know where these liberals are coming from. And Gun control... Why should we (legitamate gun owners) be punished for thugs using illegal weapons???:confused: I aint giving up My guns!!
Damn right!!!

mr00jimbo, there's no point in arguing with liberal guys like "sideways into 3rd" hell I'am scared he even owns a car, maybe we should make him keep it at the track or better yet lets pull his license!!

Damn right!!!

mr00jimbo, there's no point in arguing with liberal guys like "sideways into 3rd" hell I'am scared he even owns a car, maybe we should make him keep it at the track or better yet lets pull his license!!

He misbehaved at the track too. ;)

A friend of mine told me this joke today and I had a good chuckle from it.

:D
So this guy walks into this bar and is amazed that the bar tender is a robot. He asks a customer sitting at the bar what’s up with having a robot for a bar tender. The customer says it’s the greatest thing going. He then explains that the robot not only serves you, but also can talk to you no matter what you intelligence level is. The guy is totally amazed and says I have to check this out.

So he goes over to the robot and orders a scotch on the rocks, the robot serves him and then proceeds to ask the guy his name and his IQ. The guy thinks I’m going to fix this robot and says his name is Mark and has an IQ of 160. So then the robot starts to talk about physics, advanced mathematics, probability theories and micro biology. By the end of the night when Mark leaves, he is completely blown away, his head hurts and this is not from drinking too much. As he doesn’t understand or even have slightest idea about what the robot was talking about.

So Mark comes back the next night to the bar and the robot is still there serving drinks. He thinks to himself now I’m really going to fix this robot. So he walks up to the robot and orders a scotch on the rocks, the robot serves him and then proceeds to ask the guy his name and his IQ. This time he introduces himself as Dave and says he has an IQ of 100. The robot then proceeds to serve him and starts talking about hockey, football and just sports in general. This time he drinks way to much as he understands some of what the robot is talking about but not all of it and feels like he is inadequate because he doesn’t.

So Mark comes back the third night to the bar and the robot is still there serving drinks. He thinks to himself now I’m really going to fix this robot if it’s the last thing I do. So he walks up to the robot and orders a scotch on the rocks, the robot serves him and then proceeds to ask the guy his name and his IQ. This time he introduces himself as James and says he has an IQ of 50. To which the robot says yes I can see that, you have been coming back here for the last three nights and ordering the same drink and introducing yourself by a different name every night. You must have been dumb enough to vote for and believe the Liberal promises in the last election. And if you think that you are going to fool me by just telling me you have a different name each time you come in here, you must be dumb enough to believe Liberal promises and are going to vote for them in this election. :D


As far as I'm concerned this is right on the money for most of the people living in southern Ontario. NOW I SAID MOST NOT ALL!! As I believe that some of them have been able to dislodge their heads from the politicians A$$es to finally realize that the current government is not doing Canada any good.

my .02cents

I think handguns, should be allowed for this reason.
why do we have camaro's it isnt to drive to work, it is for cruising and draggin right? some people may like to go to the range and shoot their pistol i dont but some people might. So if you want to remove handguns remove sports cars too. also what about drunk drivers??

my .02cents

I think handguns, should be allowed for this reason.
why do we have camaro's it isnt to drive to work, it is for cruising and draggin right? some people may like to go to the range and shoot their pistol i dont but some people might. So if you want to remove handguns remove sports cars too. also what about drunk drivers??

Exactly. The Liberal way is to say "We want the only guns in Canada to be in the hands of criminals." :rolleyes:
What makes me a criminal by going to a designated range and discharging ammunution down a big field, where a guy who drives his car drunk and kills somebody is not stopped before hand. Do you guys want speed limiters on your cars, somebody to watch every little thing that you do and try to protect you from yourself before hand? Sounds a little extreme to me, why not punish the criminals, not the law abiding people?

Do you guys want speed limiters on your cars

Hey don't knock the 104 mph limiter until you've tried it.

Hey don't knock the 104 mph limiter until you've tried it.

Did they accidentally get it from the Geo Metro bin or what? Even my lowly Corolla can hit 130 and be electrically limited to stop.

Last time I checked, the crime rate in Canada was not even measurable when using the same scale the US uses to measure their crime rate, I wonder why?

Can't have Liberals cuz their a bunch of crooks, so my choice is NDP.

Conservatives only want the gun law to come into affect to raise the US economy, I wonder who's gun's we'd be buying, they sure's hell won't be Russian, even though we could get their guns for a fraction of the cost LOL. It won't do our economy as much good as it would help the US economy.

Conservatives only want the gun law to come into affect to raise the US economy, I wonder who's gun's we'd be buying, they sure's hell won't be Russian, even though we could get their guns for a fraction of the cost LOL. It won't do our economy as much good as it would help the US economy.
i think hte gun law issue has a lot more to do with personal 'rights' being violated, nothing to do with the economy, the U.S. gun sector isn't 'that' big... yes its big, but to think that it'd effect Canadian politicians is a little short sighted.

and, oh ya, NDP... oh dear, all i wanna say is with the NDP, i don't want to pay for others, screw overly generous social schemes.. just look at the way trailor trash abuses it in the states, adn the way ppl abuse it in Canada (no, i'm not cold hearted, those with disabilities, or good reasons for not being able to gain income, i'm all for supporting, fully in some cases.. but fat ignorant ppl who are lazy, they can go F themselves... and for that 'stress leave' in an office job, wtf is that - i'm dealing with that at one of my jobs.. like really, get a grip on life people)

Ahh bunker I think you’re a little miss-informed on the US to Canada crime rate comparison. Because if you actually compared it on a per-capata basis the US actually has a lower crime rate then Canada, it even has a lower violent crime rate then we have.

Some of the reasons for this are that if you commit a crime you actually serve time for the crime that you committed. Unlike here in Canada were you could commit armed robbery and get two 30 day sentences and serve them concurrently. Witch is absolutely stupid and I think is the biggest problem with our justice system.

Another reason is that in the US you can actually defend yourself if you were being robbed, raped or heaven forbid that someone was trying to kill you. And they don’t make you a criminal for doing it. Unlike here where people have been charged with assault for defending themselves in their own homes no less. When the person that was trying to rob them broke in to their home.

Also there is the deterrent that the person you are trying rob or assault may be armed. Thus deterring the person from trying to rob or assault you.

HAHAHA, whatever this is too funny, how the hell does Canada even comes close to US gun crime rates? I'm sorry, hit the news buddy.

Second, what are you talking about??????? Defend yourself, take your skinny a$$ to the Gym buddy, if you think of using guns to defend youself over rape/violence, I'm sorry but I think you're watching too many movies, we here in Canada are pretty safe, and if you do encounter a small jibby jobber robbery, use your muscle not a gun, this is why we can't allow guns around here, cuz people like you would think of defending your sorry a$$ with that.

If you let everyone have a gun, then you will see a lot more of that crime and WITH guns, not without.

When I was in my 15s, me and a bunch of kids went out drinking, a buddy had a bee bee gun, guess what, we had a bunch of kids trying to rough us up, so my buddy pulled out his gun, they went running, those guys HAD NO GUNS!!!!!!!!! If he had muscle, we could have defended ourselves.

But you know whats funny? We later hopped in the car and headed to North van from Vancouver, just before we could leave 10 cop cars surrounded our A$$SES guns pulled telling us to step out of the car.

Thats how a nation works when they DON"T allow guns and when the cops find out someone has a gun, ALL HELL BREAKS loose, and thats how it SHOULD BE!!!!!!!!!! Not like in the states where a GUN confrontation is just another police report that goes unoticed.

HAHAHA, whatever this is too funny, how the hell does Canada even comes close to US gun crime rates? I'm sorry, hit the news buddy.

Second, what are you talking about??????? Defend yourself, take your skinny a$$ to the Gym buddy, if you think of using guns to defend youself over rape/violence, I'm sorry but I think you're watching too many movies, we here in Canada are pretty safe, and if you do encounter a small jibby jobber robbery, use your muscle not a gun, this is why we can't allow guns around here, cuz people like you would think of defending your sorry a$$ with that.

If you let everyone have a gun, then you will see a lot more of that crime and WITH guns, not without.

When I was in my 15s, me and a bunch of kids went out drinking, a buddy had a bee bee gun, guess what, we had a bunch of kids trying to rough us up, so my buddy pulled out his gun, they went running, those guys HAD NO GUNS!!!!!!!!! If he had muscle, we could have defended ourselves.

But you know whats funny? We later hopped in the car and headed to North van from Vancouver, just before we could leave 10 cop cars surrounded our A$$SES guns pulled telling us to step out of the car.

Thats how a nation works when they DON"T allow guns and when the cops find out someone has a gun, ALL HELL BREAKS loose, and thats how it SHOULD BE!!!!!!!!!! Not like in the states where a GUN confrontation is just another police report that goes unoticed.
You're a ****ing moron. The cops came because 1) You let those guys get away and 2) You were 15 so you probably hung around for at least an hour making a ton of noise and patting yourselves on the back for being such gangsters. What about the people that shoot their victims instead of letting them get away to call the cops?

First of all, you're the F*CKIN moron and I should punch you in the face, second, not everyone is a retard at 15, we split right away and still got cought, yeah thats how fast the cops work around here and the only reason for that is because we have such strict gun laws, you're just a dumba$$ who wants a gun, if you get one, make sure to off yourself first and do everyone else a favor cuz we aint messing with your a$$.

I don't want a gun. I know nothing about them. I haven't even seen one in real life. But just because your dumb 15 year old ass got caught doesn't prove the Liberals bull**** "gun ban" works.

Ahh when I said defend yourself in your own home that's what I ment in YOUR HOME. Not out in the middle of the street!

And the incident in question that I’m talking about happened here in BC where an elderly man beat a guy with a golf club. After the guy attempted a home invasion. Not to mention that the old man’s wife was bed ridden and couldn’t get out of bed. So the old guy proceeded to beat the crap out of the robber. The guy that was trying to rob the place filed assault charges and the old man ends up going to jail.

HMMM doesn’t there seem to be a problem here, when the old man is the victim and he ends up going to jail. The Canadian justice system at its best I tell ya.

And bunker just go ask your local NDP candidate about the comparison between Canada vs. US crime rates ON a per-capata basis. He is going to tell you that actually in fact the US has a lower crime rate ON a per-capata basis!!

Look Canada has population of approximately 33 million where as the US has a population of over 300 million.

Think of it this way if one geographic region had 1000 drivers and that region had 100 accidents in one year.
And another region only had 100 drivers, for it to match the other region in total accidents all the drivers would have to be in an accident, which is not very likely to happen.

Or if you want to look at it pertaining to this election, why does Ontario have 106 seats and BC only have 36. Well it’s because they have a larger population then we do in BC and no matter how much we dislike that and think that the west should have better representation in Government, it doesn’t change the fact that Ontario has a 106 seats.
Just like it doesn’t change the fact that the US has a lower crime rate than Canada on a per-capata basis.

bah this is stupid, just go out there and vote. personally i dont think the gun ban will work, but i will still vote liberal.

Ahh bunker I think you’re a little miss-informed on the US to Canada crime rate comparison. Because if you actually compared it on a per-capata basis the US actually has a lower crime rate then Canada, it even has a lower violent crime rate then we have.

Homicides by gun rate per capita are ~7X higher in the US then Canada....

According to StatsCan there were 172 firearm related homicides in 2004 out of 622 total homicides.

According to the FBI, there were ~14 000 homicides and ~9300 by firearm in the USA.


In addition, Canadian crime rates involving violence as well as property crimes have dropped slightly over the last 5 years. (as per http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/legal02.htm).

One more thing... when you try to compare the overall violent crime rates, you will find that in the US stats provided by the FBI, only aggravated assasult is considered a violent crime whereas any and all forms of assault are included in the Canadian stats. Since assaults constitute about 80% of violent crime in Canada, this skews the comparison heavily.

When you compare property crimes (theft, burglary, etc.) the two countries are roughly equal, but again the stats from the US do not take into account fraud or possession of stolen goods (but they do count Arson) so it appears that again the comparison is skewed somewhat.

Homicides by gun rate per capita are ~7X higher in the US then Canada....

According to StatsCan there were 172 firearm related homicides in 2004 out of 622 total homicides.

According to the FBI, there were ~14 000 homicides and ~9300 by firearm in the USA.


In addition, Canadian crime rates involving violence as well as property crimes have dropped slightly over the last 5 years. (as per http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/legal02.htm).

You can't look into the U.S at a federal level, because it overlooks such factors as State independence. Washington DC has some of the stricted gun laws in the country....YET it has 49.7 murders per 100,000 people...compared to Texas, which is more lax on legal gun ownership, there's only 7.7 per 100,000. Texas has less homicide than the territories in Canada do.

California also has strict gun laws and guess what? LA has been the murder capital of the entire country before. States with LEGAL gun ownership have lower crime than states with strict gun laws. New Jersey also has dangerous places, strict gun laws.

Firearm bans don't rid weapons, they just give criminals 100% posession of them. Put yourself in a criminal's shoes; if you were to rob somebody, would you rather go to a place where people were unarmed or one where select people had guns under their clothes to put gaping holes in your body?

9300 lives taken by firearms? 2.5 million SAVED per year. 2,500,000 > 9300.

Second, what are you talking about??????? Defend yourself, take your skinny a$$ to the Gym buddy, if you think of using guns to defend youself over rape/violence, I'm sorry but I think you're watching too many movies, we here in Canada are pretty safe, and if you do encounter a small jibby jobber robbery, use your muscle not a gun, this is why we can't allow guns around here, cuz people like you would think of defending your sorry a$$ with that.
So in a way what your saying is you rather see your woman get raped or even killed in her own home then see her defend herself with a gun?? Yeah maybe if she works out all day she might have a chance at guy carring a knife :rolleyes:

It's a pretty sad day when people care more for the criminal then there victim's.

Lots of iffy numbers being thrown around here.

Jimbo's Texas numbers are on the low side. 7.7? OK that may be the state rate, but Houston is at 12 and Dallas is at 15 (all per capita). BC would have a low murder rate if we used Port Hardy, 100 Mile House, and Queen Charlotte Islands in the calculation. But to actually make the numbers mean something, we use large cities (Vancouver 2, Victoria 1 which both blow away any comparable city in Texas).

Comparing the state of Texas to the city of Washington DC in murder rate is hardly apples to apples. One is a large mostly rural place while the other is a dense cesspool of ghetto. Besides, DC has little in the way of funding for their police force since all the Federal buildings are exempt from property taxes.

I'll just repost what I said in the other thread concerning gun related crime:

I'd venture that Michigan has one of if not the highest amount of gun owners in the country. Yet you don't hear about Michigan being the low crime state very often do you? In fact Detroit's numbers are:

(per 100,000 people)

Murders 41.8
Robberies 653.6
Stolen cars 2480

Vancouver BC vs Dallas TX

Murders: 2.1 vs 15.8
Robberies: 153 vs 647.7
Stolen cars 1261 vs 1479.3

Now obviously, guns are far more prevelent in Dallas than they are in Vancouver. So why the higher crime figures for Dallas? Even if we compare Vancouver to Seattle, you'd see that Seattle has:

Murders 4.5
Robberies 271.7
Stolen cars 1432

The only places with a lower murder rate than Vancouver in the USA list are Honolulu, which also has very low rape, assault, and stolen cars. Yet Hawaii has gun laws that make California's look tame by comparison. And Virginia Beach.

Canada crime rates (chart on bottom of page) (http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/040728/d040728a.htm)
USA crime rates (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004902.html)

Is justifyable homicide included in the "murder rate?"

I would like to point out right now, the three big "anti-gun" countries; UK, Australia, Canada.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap_percap
All three of them have substantially higher levels of RAPE than does the United States. 7.7% of all firearms used in self defense in the U.S prevent against sexual abuse or rape.
Gord, how else are women supposed to protect themselves? Consider pepper spray isn't a good detterent, and some people are immune to it. Not to mention it doesn't make a lot of noise and draw attention.
Same goes for robbery victims:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rob_vic

And guess what? Total crime victims were higher in Australia, Canada and the UK, compared to it's gun-friendly country, the US of A.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_tot_cri_vic

31 states which issue permits to several licenced gun owners. Take your chances trying to rob them or rape them. :D

Conservative Minority; take that Gordy

we all saw it coming 2 weeks ago... lets see what the conservatives can do about it..

also, if you didn't vote, you don't have the right to bitch, b/c you didn't air your views..

Liberal

I'm not goin to get into why I'm new:D

Jimbo, what party got in, in your riding?

Liberal. Gord, saddle up I'm going to take your liberal ass shooting.

That means that both you and Dohhunter's votes ultimately were cast for Liberals. They won in his riding too.

Would you like to confiscate your gun now or later?

That means that both you and Dohhunter's votes ultimately were cast for Liberals. They won in his riding too.

Would you like to confiscate your gun now or later?

How about quarter past never. BC Liberals are against the ban anyways. So cut your hair off and ask your wife (if you're a liberal she wears the pants) if it's okay if evil Mr00 can take you out shooting. ;)

So in a way what your saying is you rather see your woman get raped or even killed in her own home then see her defend herself with a gun?? Yeah maybe if she works out all day she might have a chance at guy carring a knife :rolleyes:

It's a pretty sad day when people care more for the criminal then there victim's.

BLA BLA BLA, thats all this is.

Rapists are smart, they first study the woman before they commit, I'm sure she'll have time to get that gun out, and if she was carying one, I'm sure this rapist would take it away LOL.

I mean come'on, if a rapist can drag a woman out of her own car when it's running when all she has to do is press on the gas, what makes you think she'll have time to take her gun out faster? LOL.

Best weapon of all, don't wear make up and show your belly when you're alone, I'm sure I'd get jumped all day long if I walked around with cold hard CASH in my hand counting it in the middle of the night too, just don't do it and you are a million times safer, so safe that your chances of having a heart attack at an early age are more likely.

BLA BLA BLA, thats all this is.

Rapists are smart, they first study the woman before they commit, I'm sure she'll have time to get that gun out, and if she was carying one, I'm sure this rapist would take it away LOL.

I mean come'on, if a rapist can drag a woman out of her own car when it's running when all she has to do is press on the gas, what makes you think she'll have time to take her gun out faster? LOL.

Best weapon of all, don't wear make up and show your belly when you're alone, I'm sure I'd get jumped all day long if I walked around with cold hard CASH in my hand counting it in the middle of the night too, just don't do it and you are a million times safer, so safe that your chances of having a heart attack at an early age are more likely.
So you would rather see your woman get raped or even killed in her own home then see her defend herself, LOL.

So you would rather see your woman get raped or even killed in her own home then see her defend herself, LOL.

Haha just goes to show your intelligence level, I mean you could have read what I said, but it's ok, I know you did read it and you agree with me 100%, you agree with me so much that you were left speechless, so speechless that you just repeated the last statement.

Hats off to ya!

Haha just goes to show your intelligence level, I mean you could have read what I said, but it's ok, I know you did read it and you agree with me 100%, you agree with me so much that you were left speechless, so speechless that you just repeated the last statement.

Hats off to ya!
Na.. that's just how I talk to Liberals, no point in having a intelligent conversation.

(in BC)
NDP +5
LIB +1
CON -5

Just for Jimbo's sake. :p

(in BC)
NDP +5
LIB +1
CON -5

Just for Jimbo's sake. :p

Shows the intelligence of the BC people that NDP is ahead. :no:

Na.. that's just how I talk to Liberals, no point in having a intelligent conversation.

Ohh okay, just making sure that it's how you actually talk, because I'm not sure who you're referring to then.

I voted NDP.

:bow:

Ohh okay, just making sure that it's how you actually talk, because I'm not sure who you're referring to then.

I voted NDP.

:bow:
Much better :rolleyes:

I voted NDP too .. whoever voted for conservatives may as well pack up and move to texas .. you'll be safe there, you can have a gun rack in the back of your pickup.

this whole argument about your woman gettin raped has no grounds .. If you or your woman need a gun in the first place to protect yourself, and if a guy is out there who wants a piece of you, he surely wont have a problem taking your gun away from you to use it against yourself .. OR he would bring his own gun instead of his knife.

and jimmy .. you wont ever have a woman so you have nothing to worry about in that regards anyway ;)

I voted NDP too .. whoever voted for conservatives may as well pack up and move to texas .. you'll be safe there, you can have a gun rack in the back of your pickup.

this whole argument about your woman gettin raped has no grounds .. If you or your woman need a gun in the first place to protect yourself, and if a guy is out there who wants a piece of you, he surely wont have a problem taking your gun away from you to use it against yourself .. OR he would bring his own gun instead of his knife.

and jimmy .. you wont ever have a woman so you have nothing to worry about in that regards anyway ;)

If your points were valid, then why would only 0.09% of self defese with a firearm cases end with the firearm being discharged? The other 99.91% of the time, the burgalar, theif, rapist, robber, whatever, backs down from his or her original intentions.

I can't justify anybody living in Kits voting NDP. :p
Mayyyybe on commercial street or something, but no further west than that. :D

dude you and your numbers ...

first of all, where are you getting these figures ? and who collected them ? (gee.. dont say other conservative lovers like yourself)

there was noway in hell I would vote conservative, or liberal .. I guess ndp was the only other choice without throwing out my vote.

I originally wanted to vote for pedro .. but his name wasnt on the ballot.

I voted NDP too .. whoever voted for conservatives may as well pack up and move to texas .. you'll be safe there, you can have a gun rack in the back of your pickup.

this whole argument about your woman gettin raped has no grounds .. If you or your woman need a gun in the first place to protect yourself, and if a guy is out there who wants a piece of you, he surely wont have a problem taking your gun away from you to use it against yourself .. OR he would bring his own gun instead of his knife.

and jimmy .. you wont ever have a woman so you have nothing to worry about in that regards anyway ;)
Hey if you rather roll over and take it up the ass then defend yourself that's fine by me just don't be telling people with a spine to not defend themselves cause you think this world is safe and you will never get hurt :rolleyes:

Hey if you rather roll over and take it up the ass then defend yourself that's fine by me just don't be telling people with a spine to not defend themselves cause you think this world is safe and you will never get hurt :rolleyes:


ok Charlton Heston .. you can f*ck off to texas too

ok Charlton Heston .. you can f*ck off to texas too

Payam loves to roll over and take it up the @$$. I even have pics. :bow:

Where am I getting my numbers...

FACT: Less than 1% of all guns will ever be used in the commission of any type of crime (much less violent crime).

*FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, 1994

FACT: Every year, people in the United States use a gun to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times- more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds.

* Fall 1995, Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology

FACT: Of the 250,000,000 annual self-defense cases using guns, more than 7.7% are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse.

* U.S. Dept. of Justice, Law Enforcement Assistance Administration,

FACT: Every day, 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes per day are prevented just by showing a handgun. In less than 0.9% of the time is the gun ever actually ever fired.

* Gary Kleck, Criminologist, Florida State Univ.

Behold!!! The eternal struggle!!


http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6084/theeternalstruggle3sa.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

ok Charlton Heston .. you can f*ck off to texas too
Amazing how some people can take things so seriously :cry:

Payam loves to roll over and take it up the @$$. I even have pics. :bow:
I want to see pic's !!!!!

It's right above you man.

aaah .. good ol days. you're never lettin that one die armen.

Ah i was hopeing for a chick not two gay guys going at it :(

The way the bottom guy's foot is pointed downward I don't see that as being humanly possible...wtf :shrug:

aaah .. good ol days. you're never lettin that one die armen.

No man, that one comes around every 2 years or so. ;)

constant reminder to never trust a chug behing a bar

constant reminder to never trust a chug behing a bar

Dude, we can only blame ourselves for that night. :D