Which automatic transmission will the 5th gen get?

Just wondering... I see a lot of talk about potential powerplants, but not much about transmission choices. I guess its obvious the car would get a 6 speed manual, but what about the automatic car? Would the Vette's 6 speed auto be handed down, or will the car be running a the traditional 4 speed? I'd hope the car could get the 6 speed auto by the time it came out...

I'd put my money on the 6L80E.

I'd put my money on the 6L80E.

I would put my money with his money.

I would put my money with his money.


I would take both of your money.

A 6 speed auto would be awesome.

i'm no tranny expert, but wouldnt a six speed auto raise the price a fair amount? I think 4spd will be what it gets, but 5 would be better...actually I dont care...I'm buyin a mannytranny.:D

i'm no tranny expert, but wouldnt a six speed auto raise the price a fair amount? I think 4spd will be what it gets, but 5 would be better...actually I dont care...I'm buyin a mannytranny.:D

A 4spd would be laughable in 08/09 (heck, it is now).

I'd say 5spd minimum. 6cogs if you want to have an advantage over mustang.

No, if you understand automatic transmission (which I don't, but upon reading extensively a while back I understood them for a few minutes), its actually pretty easy to add a gear through a new planetary set. I've not seen one of these new 6 speed yet but my guess is its just an evolution of the 4 speeds and not a totally clean sheet design. So I don't think the cost would be much, if any, more.

I thought GM was phasing out these ancient A4's

I would take both of your money.
...and put it down on a deposit for a 5th gen.

i'm no tranny expert, but wouldnt a six speed auto raise the price a fair amount? I think 4spd will be what it gets, but 5 would be better...actually I dont care...I'm buyin a mannytranny.:D

not if they intended to replace all the 4 spds...

GM doesnt want to have any more 4 spds by 2010...

so if we are looking at a vehicle for 2008... and the tranny is already being used in the GMT900 and the Corvette... its going in the Camaro in 3 years...

I wouldn't look for the 6L80E to show up in the first year of production, but maybe later on in the cycle when they release the top dog SS/Z28 model. I think since the 5th gen is going to have IRS for the first time in history, thus narrowing the performance differentiation gap between it and the Corvette even more, (not to mention the styling "wow factor" that RedPlanet has hinted at), GM is probably gonna be extra cautious in how it rations out the "goodies" between the Camaro and the Vette so that the Vette remains the comfortable frontrunner.

I wouldn't look for the 6L80E to show up in the first year of production, but maybe later on in the cycle when they release the top dog SS/Z28 model. I think since the 5th gen is going to have IRS for the first time in history, thus narrowing the performance differentiation gap between it and the Corvette even more, (not to mention the styling "wow factor" that RedPlanet has hinted at), GM is probably gonna be extra cautious in how it rations out the "goodies" between the Camaro and the Vette so that the Vette remains the comfortable frontrunner.
You don't think the 500 lbs weight difference will be enough?

A 4spd would be laughable in 08/09 (heck, it is now).

I'd say 5spd minimum. 6cogs if you want to have an advantage over mustang.
By that time the Mustang WILL have 6 speeds. Mustang is not standing still. Some here know me pretty well, and it will shock them to know that my deposit money may actually be going towards a 2009 Mustang, not Camaro...

6 speed, the 4 speed will die a slow death over the next 5 years.

By that time the Mustang WILL have 6 speeds. Mustang is not standing still. Some here know me pretty well, and it will shock them to know that my deposit money may actually be going towards a 2009 Mustang, not Camaro...

Tell us why.

You don't think the 500 lbs weight difference will be enough?



Camaros have consistently been heavier than Corvette's throughout history, but this didn't mean that GM automatically gave Camaro's every option Corvette's had did it?

If there is a Camaro out by then, I would think the smart money would be on a 6 speed auto just because it is already making its introduction at GM now and soon it will make no sense to build any 4 speeds for any cars, economically speaking.

I would take both of your money.

...only to hand it over to me ;)

Seriously, GM was a huge goal of getting their newly developed 6 speeds out to market ASAP. They are already in the Vette and are in the upcoming trucks.

I don't believe they have a 5 speed that will be able to handle the torque of a powerful V8 reliably...which leaves the 6 speed.

The new 6 speeds are of a superior design, using new technology. Furthermore, the potential of a 5-8% increase in gas mileage is a great selling point. I'll see if I can find the article I pulled that quote from.

I am no GM insider, and no fan of the way they are doing business, but I'd bet a paycheck that the new Camaro uses the 6 speed. I just can't see GM *NOT* doing such a thing.

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You don't think the 500 lbs weight difference will be enough?

Oh man, I really hope the new Camaro doesn't weigh 3,700 lbs...IMHO that is just way to much for any car with sporting aspirations of any type:no: I don't want my next car to be a land whale, and if it turns out that way there would be a good chance I wouldn't buy one:( ....

Anyway, concerning trannys I would think, (and hope), that they would come with an A6. Not that it would really matter to me as I'll be driving a manual unless they make something like zeroshift availible :lol: I just think it needs to have an A6 so that people don't think that it's low-tech, or out-dated or something like that...I think a A6 with some sort of tap shift feature would definitely help to bring in more buyers...I don't see why GM wouldn't use it.

Tell us why.


x2...that got my attention, too...

FWIW, who cares what AT the car will get? Real enthusiasts will buy the stick anyway...women and children will choose the AT, and won't care how many gears it has ;)

Anyway, 6L80E will be the weapon of choice, for those who choose it.

GM is probably gonna be extra cautious in how it rations out the "goodies" between the Camaro and the Vette so that the Vette remains the comfortable frontrunner.

I don't think GM is going to spend extra money to keep the 4 speed around just to keep the Camaro down. Also note that the 6 speed manual came out with the LT1 in the Vette then came out in the Camaro 1 year later.

If pickup trucks have 6 speeds, Camaros should have them. 6 speed will also help GM meet CAFE and EPA standards.

x2...that got my attention, too...

FWIW, who cares what AT the car will get? Real enthusiasts will buy the stick anyway...women and children will choose the AT, and won't care how many gears it has ;)

Anyway, 6L80E will be the weapon of choice, for those who choose it.
Sorry guys, falls under the "I'd have to kill you" file.

There are many "changes" coming (A6 will be here before then), and I am impressed. Impressed enough to almost forget that I am a 2-time Camaro owner and loved every minute of it. We will have to see what gets hacked at the last minute like the '05 S197, but it looks VERY promising...

;) - Beat you to it Cosby...

Also note that the 6 speed manual came out with the LT1 in the Vette then came out in the Camaro 1 year later.

The T-56 first appeared in the Vette in 89'. That's taken directly from this site:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:_hTzJaz1a6IJ:www.edmunds.com/ownership/techcenter/articles/46029/article.html+first+year+for+t-56+in+corvette%3F&hl=en

One of the first cars sold in America with a six-speed was the '89 Corvette. Designed by Chevrolet and Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen (ZF) and built by ZF in Germany, this tough-as-nails six-speed was available in the Corvette up to the conclusion of the '96 model year. Today, the Corvette uses a Tremec T56 six-speed mounted at the back of the car.

It didn't show up in Camaro's till 93', but that's besides the point. I'm not arguing that a 6L80E won't be in the 5th gen, I'm just trying to gauge things from a historical standpoint. I'm all for it being there the first year, but I'm not going to hold my breath for it either. How's that old saying go? "Expect the worst and hope for the best." :thumb:

The T-56 first appeared in the Vette in 89'. That's taken directly from this site:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:_hTzJaz1a6IJ:www.edmunds.com/ownership/techcenter/articles/46029/article.html+first+year+for+t-56+in+corvette%3F&hl=en



It didn't show up in Camaro's till 93', but that's besides the point. I'm not arguing that a 6L80E won't be in the 5th gen, I'm just trying to gauge things from a historical standpoint. I'm all for it being there the first year, but I'm not going to hold my breath for it either. How's that old saying go? "Expect the worst and hope for the best." :thumb:

Well the regular production corvette did not get the 6 speed that was only for the zr1 in 1989 I believe. The 92 camaro was supposed to get a 6 speed in a special edition z28 hertiage edition but was sheveld due to cost I believe

Actually, I believe that car used the ZF...either way, I know it was an RS :)

The 6-speed in the C4 vettes up to its last year were ZF's . The T56 didnt go to vette until the first year of the C5 . ZF was also in the never made 92 Heritege RS .

6L80E with optional manumatic shifting.

The 6-speed in the C4 vettes up to its last year were ZF's . The T56 didnt go to vette until the first year of the C5 . ZF was also in the never made 92 Heritege RS .

T-56 is just a model name for the 6-speed manual. It works the same as the 4L60/E.

4=#of gears, L=longitudinally mounted, 60=lb./ft. of torque handling capacity at the input shaft. (It's actually 600, which is divided by 2 by the torque converter.)

T-56 is: T=transmission, 5=#of regular gears, 6=# of gears with overdrive included. (Below final drive ratio of 1:1)

To say that the T-56 didn't go into the Vette until the first year of the C5 is false, because all 6-speed manual trannies are T-56's. ZF is just the name of a manufacturer, as is Tremec, which took over supply of T-56's at the onset of C5 production. T-56's for F bodies came from Borg Warner.

No, if you understand automatic transmission (which I don't, but upon reading extensively a while back I understood them for a few minutes), its actually pretty easy to add a gear through a new planetary set. I've not seen one of these new 6 speed yet but my guess is its just an evolution of the 4 speeds and not a totally clean sheet design. So I don't think the cost would be much, if any, more.
Chris, you're dead wrong. The 6L80E is part of a family of new 6 speed automatic transmissions. There are 4 out of 2 cases.

I feel that every rear wheel drive vehicle that GM offers should use this new 6 speed automatic transmission family.

T-56 is just a model name for the 6-speed manual. It works the same as the 4L60/E.

4=#of gears, L=longitudinally mounted, 60=lb./ft. of torque handling capacity at the input shaft. (It's actually 600, which is divided by 2 by the torque converter.)

T-56 is: T=transmission, 5=#of regular gears, 6=# of gears with overdrive included. (Below final drive ratio of 1:1)

To say that the T-56 didn't go into the Vette until the first year of the C5 is false, because all 6-speed manual trannies are T-56's. ZF is just the name of a manufacturer, as is Tremec, which took over supply of T-56's at the onset of C5 production. T-56's for F bodies came from Borg Warner.

ZF = ZF built 6 speed manual

T-56 = Tremec built 6 speed manual

The 2 do not share parts , and the ZF was quite abit more costly than the T56 . Not to sound like a ass , but I am right and know what Im talking about . The T56 is not a GM transmission per say or a GM designation . Its a Tremec name for this particular tranmission . The Tremec T56 is also used in non-GM cars like the Dodge Viper since its inception ( before any GM car used it ) , and the 2003-04 Mustang Cobra , and called a T56 in those cars as well . There are application specific versions , but all are called a T56 .

T-56 is just a model name for the 6-speed manual. It works the same as the 4L60/E.

4=#of gears, L=longitudinally mounted, 60=lb./ft. of torque handling capacity at the input shaft. (It's actually 600, which is divided by 2 by the torque converter.)

T-56 is: T=transmission, 5=#of regular gears, 6=# of gears with overdrive included. (Below final drive ratio of 1:1)

To say that the T-56 didn't go into the Vette until the first year of the C5 is false, because all 6-speed manual trannies are T-56's. ZF is just the name of a manufacturer, as is Tremec, which took over supply of T-56's at the onset of C5 production. T-56's for F bodies came from Borg Warner.
The T-56 has 2 overdrive gears.

Someone already pointed out a few things youve got wrong in this post, but I'd just like to add that the T-56 was origionally made by Borg Warner. Tremec took over in 1998 I believe.

Bingo...what they said.

ZF is most definitely not the same as a BW or Tremec T-56

A6 w/ paddles.....but since I don't know how to drive an automatic, I'll be getting the manual:thumb:

To ad to that, I have read many old mag articles reviewing the 4th gens F-Bodies when they first arrived, and many of the reviewers would remark how the T-56 in the F-Bodies had a better shift feel to it than the Vette's ZF did.

To further backup everyone else's statement, the ZF trans and the T-56 trans are two different transmissions. The Vette didn't get the T-56 until the C5s were introduced.

No, if you understand automatic transmission (which I don't, but upon reading extensively a while back I understood them for a few minutes), its actually pretty easy to add a gear through a new planetary set. I've not seen one of these new 6 speed yet but my guess is its just an evolution of the 4 speeds and not a totally clean sheet design. So I don't think the cost would be much, if any, more.

No, the 6spd is deffinatly a NEW design. Its modular to take on several types of cars from trucks to cars, 2, 4 and AWD. Its not a 4L60E with a new set of gears, its a whole new ball game. Hot Rod Mag did a whole thing on it, and the new 6L80E is about the size of a 4L60E....ripe for the transplant of MANY hot rods, and have the ability to hold up the power.

No, the 6spd is deffinatly a NEW design. Its modular to take on several types of cars from trucks to cars, 2, 4 and AWD. Its not a 4L60E with a new set of gears, its a whole new ball game. Hot Rod Mag did a whole thing on it, and the new 6L80E is about the size of a 4L60E....ripe for the transplant of MANY hot rods, and have the ability to hold up the power.

and many third and fourth gens.

No, if you understand automatic transmission (which I don't, but upon reading extensively a while back I understood them for a few minutes), its actually pretty easy to add a gear through a new planetary set. I've not seen one of these new 6 speed yet but my guess is its just an evolution of the 4 speeds and not a totally clean sheet design. So I don't think the cost would be much, if any, more.

I would imagine it just has a 3rd planetary. I would also imagine that would require a new casting which is probably a large part of your costs... The internals might be similar.

The 6 speed should be able to be a 5 speed if they just did some valvebody and hydraulic scheme changes. Just like the Allison 1000, it has 3 planetaries I believe and it was introduced as a 5 speed at the beginning. Now it's a 6 speed but all that was needed was a small valvebody change. It was actually capable of being a 6 speed since the beginning...

Gotta Love Marketing... :)

Just comparing a 5 speed to a 4 speed auto is a huge difference, i can only image a 6 speed. manumatics? eh, those are a joke if you ask me, but im sure it would help sales :) If they want to 'enhance' the automatics, I wanna see instaneous rubber in between gears like you do with the old 727s and TH400s....but I know thats in never never land - only plush "refined" shifts with 2 second delays are acceptable in this day and age :o

I would imagine it just has a 3rd planetary. I would also imagine that would require a new casting which is probably a large part of your costs... The internals might be similar.

The 6 speed should be able to be a 5 speed if they just did some valvebody and hydraulic scheme changes. Just like the Allison 1000, it has 3 planetaries I believe and it was introduced as a 5 speed at the beginning. Now it's a 6 speed but all that was needed was a small valvebody change. It was actually capable of being a 6 speed since the beginning...

Gotta Love Marketing... :)
That could explain why earlier in the thread people were mentioning the Mustang going to a 6 speed auto in the near future...

Hope Fully, We can hope that GM puts a 6 spd AUTO on the 'Maro:cool :

First of all, why do people call the Camaro a Maro? It sounds ridiculous. Second of all, why did you feel the need to resurrect a two year old thread just to say that one sentence?

First of all, why do people call the Camaro a Maro? It sounds ridiculous. Second of all, why did you feel the need to resurrect a two year old thread just to say that one sentence?

It annoys the **** out of me too. Lol.

With other manufacturers offering 7 and 8 speed automatics, why limit a car that's two years out to only 6 speeds? ;)

FWIW, who cares what AT the car will get? Real enthusiasts will buy the stick anyway...women and children will choose the AT, and won't care how many gears it has ;)



Ah-hem. How 'bout the married dudes that have to share the vehicle with the aforementioned "women"? :cry:

GMHTP states that the Pontiac G8 GT will be equipped with the 6L80E 6-speed auto.

It would be FANTASTIC if Camaro got that trans as well! :)

But I am taking GMHTP's words with a grain of salt for now, since they're not great at getting things right. :lol:

Ah-hem. How 'bout the married dudes that have to share the vehicle with the aforementioned "women"? :cry:

Get a divorce.

Get a divorce.

Bastard. ;)

Ah-hem. How 'bout the married dudes that have to share the vehicle with the aforementioned "women"? :cry:

I told her "learn to drive it, or don't drive it at all." :D

I'm getting a manual on purpose :lol:

I'd like to see a six speed auto at a minimum, CVT possibly (if GM can make one that can take some power), and of course 6 speed manual.

Any possibility that that paddle shifter in the Vette could make its way to the Camaro? Seems like a decent compromise for those that have the spouse/manual debate.