My take on the next Camaro...Concept Rendering

I spent a couple of months on this and a few other renderings trying to come up with something close to what I think the next Camaro could be. Here's one of the designs I rendered up. I'm finishing up a 3/4 view and have the side view mostly worked out. I'm open for input. I have it posted over at lateral-g.net.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=2472

Thanks,
John

err....why don't you post a link tot he image that doesn't require signing up on another forum?

Hey John!

I posted this in another thread, but here you go again...GREAT to see you here!!!!

BTW, post up your inspiration you wrote on Protouring.com

http://www.indycamaro.com/McBride_blue.jpg

**edit** I just had to make it blue.....my favorite color :D

That looks great! Very professionally done. Since it appears like its going to be retro or nothing, I could go with that as a Camaro.

That will sure do. I get this feeling that the front end is gunna end up looking like a melted First gen.
A more modern front end with less grill and thats what I say it will look like.
Even has my red with black stripes theory.
Everything looks great, even iff very cartoony. Thats a great job you did man, great job. Probably the best Camaro concept picture if seen, or one of the best. You should have enterd it into GMI's Camaro contest.

Thats a sweet looking render! I still like sharks from the other post but this is deffinitely at least second, looks clean man.:D

like i said in the other thread, i like this car alot! it made number 2 on my list, under Kris H's version of Crispey's:cool:

Thats a sweet looking render! I still like sharks from the other post but this is deffinitely at least second, looks clean man.:D
:think:

err....why don't you post a link to the image that doesn't require signing up on another forum?


pssst...There's a comment in this thread that would make it VERY much worth your effort to sign up to L-G.net..... see if you can find it (hint: trapin made it....) ;) :bow:

I don't want to post it here w/o his permission (which I'd doubt he'd give for good reason)

It looks good, but I hope the real car isn't that retro.

Upon further review, it looks alot like the Challenger!

Looks like it could be close to the actual concept? Anyone?

Out of all the concepts I've seen, this is one of the few which I think is worthy of a 5th gen Camaro.

it does have alot of "heritage" to it.

Very Nice! I really like that one, seems to have a 1st/3rd gen feel to it, I would definitely be buying one that looked like that, at least as soon as they bring out the top version.

That's a badass concept. It's pretty much tied as my favorite next to the concept Kris H made :thumb:.

Very good rendering!

I went to http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/ and registered and read the thread that awesome pic is posted in (look for the posting in there by Tapin) ......BOO YAH!!! Im there!! I hope my wife wont mind me selling her Volvo next year. My 2000SS will have some company in the garage and she can ride the bus- cause she wont be allowed to drive my sweet sweet 2007 Camaro!!

:bow: awesome concept :thumb:

i think it could use some foglights in the lower grille IMO

very nice!

I don't consider myself a big retro fan, but WOW! Out of all the concepts I've seen this one knocks my socks off! Awesome job.:bow:

Thanks guys. I don't know what happened to the rendering but it should be red not blue. I didn't do the blue. My red version is on Lateral-g.net and pro-touring.com. Here's some of my thoughts on the design....

For this concept, I did a lot of sketch exercises before I got it to this point. While sketching, things like the belt line, cowl height, and wheel base where the things that I kept in mind while working out my design. On the final concept design that you see here – the belt line was raised up a little higher which gave the car a more dramatic look by reducing the greenhouse height. This also allowed for the cowl height to be up higher which in turn lets me angle the hood down more and still maintain enough clearance for the engine. The raised cowl bulge also gives me approximately another 1-1.5” of hood clearance over the engine. Look at the C5 and C6, there’s room for the engine without major issues. The raised belt line also allows me to get the rear CD reduced for less aerodynamic drag. These were the couple things that were integrated into my design that helped me to get the look I wanted.
The front grill – This is my favorite part of the whole car. I always thought that the ’69 Camaro grill was really aggressive lookin’ and very modern at the same time. It’s really clean, so what I did was leaned it back , and gave it an even more modern edge or look so that it could be retro yet fresh at the same time. Although it’s probably not the most aerodynamic solution, it looks great and helps to get ample cool air into the radiator.
Now we can have a whole other debate and wheel sizes and what’s too big or not but as a designer I have to think ahead. And what happens to the wheel sizes on OEM cars every couple years – they get bigger. Also since this is a concept and used to gauge reactions I took a little bit of liberty with the wheel sizes. Think of it this way – look at the C6 ZO6 – 18” and 19” wheels??!!!! Holy Cow they’re huge – and beautiful. Why couldn’t the Camaro come with wheels this size, maybe 18s for the Z/28 but man wouldn’t it be killer to see staggered diameter wheel sizes on let’s say an SS version? Heck yeah!
Anyways, I have just about finished up the rear ¾ view rendering and have a side view worked out. I hope to get these up soon. Scott’s hopefully still gonna help me with a web site soon that will show the rest of my 5th Gen “what if” sketches along with a lot of other examples of my designs and renderings.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=1416

I apologize if the image doesn't attach correctly. Can't seem to make this work. If it works great.

Thanks,
John

It is nice but I'm just feeling it. :(

What impresses me most is the way both 1st and 3rd gen's can easily be seen where the front fenders and hood meet. This is truly a beautiful design. It's my new desktop!!!

Thanks guys. I don't know what happened to the rendering but it should be red not blue. I didn't do the blue. My red version is on Lateral-g.net and pro-touring.com. ...........Thanks,
John


I did that John....sorry, I'm a hard-core blue guy ;)

Doug,

Before I looked @ the color change you made, I really liked the car, but seeing it in the blue :) :) :) Really like! The blue version is now my desktop.

Something about the grill just doesn't look right...too wide??...angles???
I like the Autoshark fornt end on the other thread...the rest looks good.

No problem Doug, it's up there for you guys to check out and have fun with. Please just nobody photochop it. It's my original design and I spent a lot of my own spare time developing it.

As far as the look of the car - read or re-read a comment by Trapin back on the Lateral-g board - really read it and think about it. That's all I can say.

John

That is very nice! I knew that as we got closer to January we'd start having new developements start to come up and I believe this is one of them. Even seeing Red Planet post up a comment like his tells me that this is on to something. Very encouraging!

No problem Doug, it's up there for you guys to check out and have fun with. Please just nobody photochop it. It's my original design and I spent a lot of my own spare time developing it.

As far as the look of the car - read or re-read a comment by Trapin back on the Lateral-g board - really read it and think about it. That's all I can say.

John

You also got a thumbs up from Scott a few posts up.... :D

Ok, I read what Trapin said, but I'm confused. This car has SOOO many elements of all the other retro designs that have floated around here, that to be honest, to me, it doesn't look any different than half a dozen other designs that have been posted here and shot down. What is so special about this one? Don't get me wrong, it's nice looking, but frankly, It is so close to ChrisH's, I don't see what's so different about this one. It looks like a '69 w/ a grille and headlights that are too small for the rest of it's proportions. Not like we haven't seen any of those before. I'm not meaning to dis this thing, but what's the big deal?

I think it's the porportions are closer to reality than most...and a few small details....BUT, no-one's calling this "it" yet....just a "nice" "surprise"..... :D

Not too retro as some I've seen. If that's what the final car looks like, I'm buying. :D

I don't know, they're just so similar....
http://www.carsbykris.com/gallery/rawimages/PHRNewCamaro1.jpg
http://www.indycamaro.com/McBride.jpg
The things I do like about them....I like the A pilars way better on #2, and the mirrors are much better integrated as well. I like the design of #2's front end, but it's too small and pinched, it should be of similar size to #1's grille/headlights. #1 needs to lose the hoodscoop. I'd love to see #2 w/ some real wheels and tires. You never know how these concepts w/ these cartoon wheels will translate when you put real sized wheels, door handles, ground clearance, ect on them. I like the look, would just like to see more of a real world car look to it to see if it keeps its pressence.



Now this is the first halfway original looking one I've seen in a long time
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-3/687350/Zsquared.jpg

I think what I like best is it's angry face.

It sort of looks like a squinty eyed Clint Eastwood, pointing a .44 Magnum....."Do you feel lucky punk?"

That's easily the best I've seen. Excellent work! It was definitely worth the two months you poured into it.

I don't know, they're just all so similar....

Of course they're similar. They're both based on evok's original suggestions if you look close enough. (Kris Horton's is actually a 3D version of evok's concept.)

I think John's would look less retro If you separated the lights from the grill opening and sealed them. Not that I'm suggesting it be done mind you. I'd also like to see John's version minus the stripes. (Not that I'd ever consider ordering one without.) I'm also wondering what a convertible might look like. ;)

I really appreciate the input guys. I always try to keep a balance of fantasy and realism. I also always try to keep "buildable" in my mind when looking at the design and the way surfaces of the body are shaped.

I know the wheels and a the body proportions are just a little bit on the extreme side but remember it's a concept and meant to get the emotion of the car accross. If I had to take it to the next steps of being produced I think sectioning the body sides a little shorter and bringing the wheel size down slightly would probably just about get the proportions pretty close. It's really not that far off.

Yeah, I like the grill too! :D

John

Of course they're similar. They're both based on evok's original suggestions if you look close enough. (Kris Horton's is actually a 3D version of evok's concept.)

What I meant was, 1 is shot down as a flat out no, the other gets "suprised", and "as close as a freelancer has gotten", and a "looks good" and all from people who know what the real mccoy looks like. Dayum, other than the variation of the front end, they look like the exact same car to me!

Also, how many times have we heard it won't be retro? How many times have we heard it will have queues from ALL the generations? This one, as nice as it is, is pure retro, I see no 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or forward thinking design. Just a very well executed '69 retro design. It almost looks like a '69 Camaro thats been OVERHAULED!

I know the wheels and a the body proportions are just a little bit on the extreme side but remember it's a concept and meant to get the emotion of the car accross.

John

Yeah, you can always tell when its a concept car when the rear tires are wider than the windows are tall ;) .

Looks good.

I love the sides, but am still trying to come to grips with the "melted first gen nose" theory :( I can deal with heritage sides, but I don't want another blunt nosed retro-mobile. Every time I see a Mustang, I love the sides and the rear, and HATE the nose.

We'll see, I guess...

I wish I could say just what it is about this design that hits me right between the eyes. I have seen most of the other renderings on the net and yes they all share a similar retro...i mean "heritage" look. But somehow the proportions on this one just seem to fit better. I would love to see this one fleshed out with more realism.

Also, does anyone know anything about "Trapin" from lateral g net- and his cryptic quote? What sort of credentials does he (or she) have besides residing in Michigan. Anyone? Anyone?

I like it! Heritage, not full-blown retro, sleeker and more in-your-face than Mustang. The front end could use a bit more work however.

I believe this is the very first Camaro concept by someone that Red Planet gave his seal of approval on. :think:

I "believe" Tony works inside GM's design studios....

Very, very, very nice. If the Camaro concept we see in January looks like that - and GM ends up making something very similar in the production version - it is something I'll seriously consider (assuming its not 2 tons).

Interesting comment by Scott too, I might add.

This one, as nice as it is, is pure retro, I see no 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or forward thinking design. Just a very well executed '69 retro design
First, I appologize, I'm more 4th gen oriented and REALLY do not know a lot about 1st through 3rd aside from seeing them at car shows and such like that.

With that said --
Maybe it's just me, but I see cues from different generations in the frontend. The bottom grill reminds me of the 3rd gen Camaro with the lip bodykit. The main grill reminds me of the 1st gen, but it also reminds me of the foglight section of the 4th gen. Slap a bowtie in the middle, make the headlights square, and you have a 93-96 foglight section that's been stretched out across the entire front. The turn signals remind me of 4th generation too. Just my two cents, could be just me but does anyone else see what I see?

John, this thread explains where all the new traffic to Lateral-g is coming from.

As for the concept, retro is in. ;)

This captures the sleekness and sexyness that the retro concepts were lacking.

As for the concept, retro is in. ;)

I just hope it still is in 3 years. Big SUV's were popular 3 years ago too.

Very nice! :cool: Actually looks feasible. :thumb:

Very cool looking...It may be retro but it looks very aggressive and I like how wide and low it looks. It definitely looks like a Camaro. The overall profile of the car is great and I really appreciate the fact that the front end doesn't look like a brick, lol:D So, when you gonna' show us the rear?;)

Well, I'm seeing cues from all gen's in it. 1st gen is rather obvious. Headlights ala 2nd gen. The downward slope of the hood brings to mind the 4th gen. 3rd gen is a little more difficult, but I believe it's in there.

It looks similar to the rendering, but brings out the ideas in a much more unified design. It also looks like it could be a production car with a few tweaks and not end up looking ridiculous.

Very good job! A+! I especially like the A-pillars and rear quarter window. This is my new wallpaper for now!

Also, how many times have we heard it won't be retro? How many times have we heard it will have queues from ALL the generations? This one, as nice as it is, is pure retro, I see no 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or forward thinking design. Just a very well executed '69 retro design. It almost looks like a '69 Camaro thats been OVERHAULED!I have to agree, looks similar to many retro's that have been shot down. I see a little 3rd gen in the flat hood/ windshield area, but no 4th or 2nd at all...
The Autoshark version has 4th and 1st blended seemlessly in the front end and hood lines, and long hood and windshield of the 3rd gen, and a not so great attempt at 2nd gen tail...not so retro with its smooth flow...man, with a little work, it could be "the One"...(IMHO...)

Other than the stripes and front fender skirts, what part looks like an overhauled 69 Camaro?


The front fenders are different. (Looks more like the first Nomad concept)

The roofline is different. (69 Camaro wasn't a fastback, which this appears to be.)

The grill area while similar is different.

The hood bulge looks more like a 69 Chevelle hood bulge.

The rear fender skirts were never on the 69 Camaro.

The 69 Camaro didn't have integrated safety bumpers.

The 69 Camaro had a longer nose and shorter deck compared to this.

I think too many people are trying to see "retro" where it doesn't exist. "Heritage styling"? Yes... but "retro"? Far from it IMHO.

I see a little 3rd gen in the flat hood/ windshield area, but no 4th or 2nd at all...


Compare the headlights with this 75 Camaro.

http://www.forzano.com/75-camaro.jpg

Other than the stripes and front fender skirts, what part looks like an overhauled 69 Camaro?


The front fenders are different. (Looks more like the first Nomad concept)

The roofline is different. (69 Camaro wasn't a fastback, which this appears to be.)

The grill area while similar is different.

The hood bulge looks more like a 69 Chevelle hood bulge.

The rear fender skirts were never on the 69 Camaro.

The 69 Camaro didn't have integrated safety bumpers.

The 69 Camaro had a longer nose and shorter deck compared to this.

I think too many people are trying to see "retro" where it doesn't exist. "Heritage styling"? Yes... but "retro"? Far from it IMHO.
Well, I don't know if we're looking at the same car....
-The fenders aren't chopped on the new one, but they both have that body line that swoops rearward. Obvious copy of a '69

-The car doesn't appear to be a fastback to me, maybe we can tell when he releases his rear 3/4

-The designer himself says it's a retro copy of the '69 grille, albiet leaned back.

-It's a little lower in profile, but it's a dead copy of a '69 cowl induction Camaro

-The rear fender skirts are indeed on the '69's, though hard to see in the pic. Assuming we're talking about the swooping body line

-No car had integrated bumper covers in '69 except the GTO.

-The wheelbases and overhang are different, sure. It's a modern layout.


The similarities? The designer said he used the '69 grille, but leaned it back. The front fenders both have the swoops, but the new one isn't chopped level. Both hoods have a cowl induction look. Both cars have rear 1/4 windows, of the same shape. Both cars have what appears to me to be the same roofline. Both cars have the rear fender that humps over the back wheel, begining at the end of the door, and defining the bottom edge of the rear 1/4 window as it rolls over the top. Both cars have lip spoilers on the back. I'm sorry, but every element is there, granted the concept is a modern interpretation, but it's a direct copy nonetheless. Keep in mind, I never said it looked bad, just that it doesn't go w/ what we've heard about no retro, heritage from all models, ect.

But to be honest, I don't want to rain on this guys parade anymore. It's a fine job, and a good looking car. His concept isn't what got me thinking, it was the reaction from the choosen ones to the concept.

http://www.indycamaro.com/McBride.jpg
http://www.firewheelclassics.com/images/Photo_Gallery/Christine2.jpg

Awesome looking. If thats what a 5th gen turns out to be, sign me up, I'd be sold in a heartbeat. :cool:

Hmm, the 'Stang and the Challenger are retro, this concept drawing, IMO, is very far from retro. Yes, it is inspired by the 69, but the grille reminds me more of the 78/79. The rear quarters scream late third gen to me, as does the basic shape of the hood (though somewhat exagerated into a small cowl) and the roof line is a pleasing blend of 1st, 3rd and 4th gen styling cues (obviously talking about the roof and a to b pillar greenhouse, since this one does not have a hatchback, thank God). I have no clue how close, or how far away this it to the actual prototype, but I am hopeful that this is closer than not. Now which do I buy first, the SS or the SRT-8 Challenger?

Well, I don't know if we're looking at the same car....
-The fenders aren't chopped on the new one, but they both have that body line that swoops rearward. Obvious copy of a '69
On John's design its a continuous line merging with the rear fender line. On the 67-69 Camaros it was more curved over the front wheel opening but then died part way into the doors, then picked up again at the rear quarters with a differen arch, not the same continuous line.

-The car doesn't appear to be a fastback to me, maybe we can tell when he releases his rear 3/4
That's possible however John's design still has a much shorter nose than the original design.

-The designer himself says it's a retro copy of the '69 grille, albiet leaned back.
The 69 grill was more of an "egg crate" design, this appears to just have horizontal bars, just like most other Chevy currently in production.

-It's a little lower in profile, but it's a dead copy of a '69 cowl induction Camaro
Sorry but I disagree, the center ridge is missing as is the rear tail. Its much closer to the lower profile 2nd gen scoop or the Chevelle cowl induction minus the rear flap.

-The rear fender skirts are indeed on the '69's, though hard to see in the pic. Assuming we're talking about the swooping body line
Yeah, I totally dropped the ball on that one. (I'm more of a 67-68 enthusiast anyway. :D ) However, where are the grills in front of the rear wheels if this in fact is just a overhauled 69 Camaro?
-No car had integrated bumper covers in '69 except the GTO.
Which was my point.

-The wheelbases and overhang are different, sure. It's a modern layout.
Again. My point.

The similarities? The designer said he used the '69 grille, but leaned it back. The front fenders both have the swoops, but the new one isn't chopped level. Both hoods have a cowl induction look. Both cars have rear 1/4 windows, of the same shape. Both cars have what appears to me to be the same roofline. Both cars have the rear fender that humps over the back wheel, begining at the end of the door, and defining the bottom edge of the rear 1/4 window as it rolls over the top. Both cars have lip spoilers on the back. I'm sorry, but every element is there, granted the concept is a modern interpretation, but it's a direct copy nonetheless. Keep in mind, I never said it looked bad, just that it doesn't go w/ what we've heard about no retro, heritage from all models, ect.
Actually Dynacorn is making the direct copies. :p

But to be honest, I don't want to rain on this guys parade anymore. It's a fine job, and a good looking car. His concept isn't what got me thinking, it was the reaction from the choosen ones to the concept.

It's an awesome job. However go back and look at the photoshop I did on the original Nomad concept. Look at Sharpshooter's concept and look at Chris Pawels' concept. All have strong similarities to what John drew up because they were based on suggestions first made at Cheers and Gears by evok. Had it been suggested that it (the new Camaro) looked more like a 2nd gen Camaro, things would have been different.

http://www.indycamaro.com/McBride.jpg
http://www.firewheelclassics.com/images/Photo_Gallery/Christine2.jpg
I have to say that I LOVE this drawing. That is probably the best modern/heritage interpretation of the Camaro that I have seen to date. I would buy one of those in a heartbeat.

To me it has a lot of 3/4th gen in it. Look at that low and sleek and sexy stance.

I think it is a great modern interpretation of a classic Camaro. From a practicality standpoint though, I would like less fornt overhang.

After looking again, I'd have to say that the front Fascia is more of a meld of late 2nd gen and 69 Camaro.

http://www.nastyz28.com/camaro/1978/78b-1t.jpg

From this angle you won't really be able to see it but the nose comes to a point if you see it from a top view. It's not too pointy or it'd be a little too Pontiac but think of the first year for the 4th gen Camaros and how they pointed - similar to that. I always liked the front ends of the first couple years of the 4th gens. Sharp, edgy, and aggressive - nice in my opinion.

I'll be working on the rear 3/4 view over the thanksgiving holiday and when I post it I'll make it a new post and also add the front 3/4 below it to compare.

Keep the input coming, the whole point of posting this is to hear what you guys think and I'd like to go back and revisit the design and tweak it further.

John

Well, I gotta say...if THAT is as retro as we get, I think I'm fine with it :D And seeing as how its RP approved (yes, I picked up on that too), is this close to what I'll be seeing in less than 60 days????

My likes:
1) The low stance.
2) The low roofline.
3) Subtle, but attractive gfx.
4) Low noseline
5) The '69 character lines in the sides add retro without being blatant.
6) Its kind of HHR-like in that its heritage, but it doesn't LOOK like the original from any angle we can see so far. Dodge, CAN YOU HEAR ME? :rolleyes:

My dislikes:
1) The nose, while lower, is still blunt-nosed and Mustang-like.

That's really about it...make the nose a little more modern, give it a 5.3 and a T56 and price it around $26k in today's dollars for a base model with my basic power goodies, XM and a loud stereo, and I'll give Chevy my deposit.

I'm not kidding either!

On John's design its a continuous line merging with the rear fender line. On the 67-69 Camaros it was more curved over the front wheel opening but then died part way into the doors, then picked up again at the rear quarters with a differen arch, not the same continuous line.


The 67-68's have no crease at all:confused:

Uncle

Please for the love at least let it have the dual round tailights ala 70-73 Camaro and Corvette!!! PLEASE!!! That look is sooooooo sexy on a car and is so unique to Chevrolet that I definatly want it on my new 5th gen! :D

I'll second that...I was thinking the same thing earlier. Chevy should = 4 round tailights. The largest complaint I've heard from people I've shown the new Impala to is "where are the round tailights? I liked those!" I agree entirely.

Make that shape with 4 round tailights, and its a winner...

The 67-68's have no crease at all :confused:

Uncle
I was talking about the line of the top of the front fender and how it dies part way into the doors and the rear quarter ridge line...

You can kind of make it out on this profile of my 67 RS

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/240000-240999/240075_29_full.jpg

In John's design its continuous.

Edit: Its even clearer in this close-up...

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/240000-240999/240075_16_full.jpg

That rear fender tension, hump whatever you wanna call it, was kept up until the end of the 3rd gen, I always liked that line, it always made a connection, in my mind at least, with my 91Z and the past. Good to see that it has been shown in so many renderings. If all the entusiasts are picking up on it, then I feel good in the Chevy designers including it (just a gut feeling).

I think round tail lights would look cool, but I'd rather see it with more 3rd/4th gen style ones. Round ones look good but they don't exactly look as aggressive as some other possible designs...I want the new Camaro to look as intimidating as possible:D

I actually think the round lights scream pure Muscle... JMHO


besides that... for the most part when you come up behind a guy at night thats driving a Vette or early Camaro you usually know whats up ahead when you see them things... I think it means "watch Out!"

This thing is 100% perfect.

Best rendering ever.

Super aggressive, retro yet modern, perfect stance, and looks to be something that is production-ready. no excess, no BS.

I will take 2. 1 yellow, 1 black.

WOW....I don't think this forum has agreed on something as much as I've seen here.....EVER! :eek:

So what does that tell you?? Chevy........BUILD IT!!!! :bow:

yeah! no kidding! if we can all agree then thats saying something!

that's saying more than something, this is HUGE seeing how most threads have ended up in the past few months!

(cues music)

We Stand United :cz28:






:p

That is a gorgeous rendering. Definitely my favorite one by far.

Any chance I can get a higher resolution version for my desktop?

If the real thing is even 90% of that concept, GM has BY FAR the best-looking of the three pony cars that will be competing soon.

Build it.

Build it FAST.

I already started saving for my new camaro =)

I already started saving for my new camaro =)

Me too! I started a couple years ago. Then I got married and bought a 99Z instead. :p

would you mind adding a hood scoop?

would you mind adding a hood scoop?It looks like it already has one. :rolleyes:

Great stance, lines, modern yet heritage ... perfect!

TTT :).... GM (other than Red) are surely taking notice of this thread?! Build it and we will come!

BTW... the only thing I would change would be to loose the frender crease (I've always prefered the smoother 67 and 68 Camaro over the 69 model year).

TTT :).... GM (other than Red) are surely taking notice of this thread?! Build it and we will come!

BTW... the only thing I would change would be to loose the frender crease (I've always prefered the smoother 67 and 68 Camaro over the 69 model year).


Funny, because I think it's way past time to give the sides of a Camaro some sort of character line.

There's no question that the 1969 Camaro is the most popular design and this is the only year that had some design to it's flanks. The 4th gen became nearly slab sided and the other gens only had small wheel flares to break up the design.

Oh sure, some 2nd gens had some add-on vents, but nothing that said "Camaro" as much as the 1969 fender spears.:bow:

Funny, because I think it's way past time to give the sides of a Camaro some sort of character line.

There's no question that the 1969 Camaro is the most popular design and this is the only year that had some design to it's flanks. The 4th gen became nearly slab sided and the other gens only had small wheel flares to break up the design.

Oh sure, some 2nd gens had some add-on vents, but nothing that said "Camaro" as much as the 1969 fender spears.:bow:

Doug... I really don't think you can call that rendering slab sided and I'd hardly call any camaro slab sided.... slab sided to me is cars like the new Caddy's & Nissans. I just never liked that odd crease or the squared off wheel arches on the 69 and I still don't like it here. But it's a minor nitpick to be honest and I suspect when the covers come off, you spears fans will get your wish :).

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Why don't you give up on the trolling and get back to the lounge since you have added absolutely nothing of substance since you starting posting your rubbish?

Why don't you give up on the trolling and get back to the lounge since you have added absolutely nothing of substance since you starting posting your rubbish?

Good idea.

Build it and build it fast, that car is gorgeous, give me an SS with a 6.oL and ill give you however much you want.......

http://www.indycamaro.com/McBride_blue.jpg

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I have to say that I LOVE this drawing. That is probably the best modern/heritage interpretation of the Camaro that I have seen to date. I would buy one of those in a heartbeat.

To me it has a lot of 3/4th gen in it. Look at that low and sleek and sexy stance.

100% agree.

I really like this one. It has enough modern design in it that it doesn't gag me with a fork like Kris Horton's designs do.

That is absolutely gorgeous. :bow:

...doesn't gag me with a fork like Kris Horton's designs do.

As much as I respect your right to your opinion, I think that is the first time I have heard that.

Well, after seeing the Challenger concept, I was very worried. After seeing this, my hopes are back up again. Can't wait until January.

My only words to GM, don't f*** this up. You could have a breakout hit on your hands that might get the non-new-buying car people (me) off our collective asses and come into a showroom. Or I'll be looking for a used 2002 Formula in 2009... how sad would that be.

I too like the clean 67-68 Camaros too but if you really look at the 67-68 vs. the 69, I think the 69 has just a little heavier flavoring of toughness with a more "chisseled" look. I guess the more aggressive and modern designed front grill just make it that much tougher. I also think the side "spears" -not sure what what you would call em exactly - help give the Camaro that "looks fast standing still" look. I like the 67-68s a lot too - probably just as much as the 69s. I just thought I give my 2 cents on why I think the 69 would probably make a better them for the new one with it's more agressive modern styling cues. Plus the Mustang already has fender lips that might be too similar to doing that on a new Camaro. The modernized 1969 spears really separate it more from the new Mustang too. That's another reason for the 1969 inspiration.

John

To be perfectly honest with you, Horton's really doesn't do anything for me either. I was never into it and as time has gone on my opinion of it has only gotten more critical. This isn't to say he isn't talented, but I've seen a ton of designs that I like alot more than his...I really don't like the flat front look...I'd rather see something with a more LT1 4th gen approach.

I agree, Johnny. The '69's changes make it look so "right". They look way, way better to me than the '67-'68 models which sort of look as if they are missing something...

As much as I respect your right to your opinion, I think that is the first time I have heard that.
When I say that, I mean "Kris Horton's designs are so retro that I don't want them. This new one this guy made looks like a current car, rather than a recreation '69 Camaro like Baldwin Motion and Chip Foose are doing now."

I have nothing against Kris, I just don't like retro that much. I mean...How would you like to drive a VW Bug that looks nearly exactly like a 1950's one, ya know? I want a Camaro that looks like it isn't 40 years old with plastic surgery.

He has amazing skills at making models, but I just don't dig the stuff I've already seen before.

This new design this guy made looks tough as nails and fresh. And for the first time, I'll admit... I really don't mind it not looking like a 4th gen.