I hate 305 bashers!!!!!!!!

This is the first time I think I have ever vented on this board! I get sick of people with 350 or bigger always telling us 305 guys when we have questions to just get a 350!!! I have one of each and still get tired of hearing it!!! Shove it!!!!!

I feel your pain

I will tell you to get a 383 and shove the 305. :D :D j/k

Sorry, you set yourself up for that one. Just had to do that.

You're just jealous cause you have a whimpy little 305. :p Oh, wait, so do I :( :D They are decent little small blocks. I'm having a blast with mine. I could have put anything I wanted in my 88, but decided to go with the 305 for now just because it's fun getting the most out of what you have. Eventually I'll be putting the ZZ4 from my Chevelle in the 88, and going with a big block in the velle. I'll be doing some 350 bashing then. ;) There's always someone who needs to put down anything they perceive as lesser than what they have, only because they are insecure tittie bottle suckers.

As much as I hate to say it, it really is just an exercise in futility. The only reason Im doing it is because Im stupid and enjoy having the original block in the car, and I just enjoy the uphill battle I guess. I want to see what the limits of the 305 tbi are. Only a few people have done a nice heads, cam, intake, nitrous on the setup and to my knowledge none of them have track times, and if they do they dont poste them. If I like what I get I'll keep it, if not I'll figure out where to go from there. If someone was serious about making power I'd steer them twards a 350+

Denny dont rip my balls off :)

Originally posted by Chuck!
The only reason Im doing it is because Im stupid and enjoy having the original block in the car, and I just enjoy the uphill battle I guess.

Too bad for you I just accepted a half down deposit on my 89 Merkur XR4Ti. That was a car for the stupid who enjoy an uphill battle.

when i got my 96 iroc, it ahd the 305 tpi... i thought the 305 was a good engine. but then i put a 350 in it. to me there was just so much more tq and better responce. *the 350 only had like 250 Hp and 350 tq* and now with my 406, i realize the 305 is an OK engine, but im glad i didnt start to modify it. cause its a loosing battle. honestly.. jsut get a 350/383 if u r looking to make mad power. if u want somethign to cruize in. keep the 305. im not bashing.. im just telling u my experiance with the 305

305's suck.....................



gas that is when you build them, although just about anything will then! although, personally unless you plan to dump money into modifying your car you should have accepted that a 305 isn't as fast as a 350. ;)

but to all those who want to mod them more power to you. :D

Follow the parts in my sig. They will all work fine on a 350 when that day rolls around. They produce a solid one hp/ci on a 305 and will also let you hit 350 hp on a 350, too, as long as you step up a notch on the cam :cool:

This setup purrs like a kitten as a daily driver, gets 16 mpg around (my VERY hilly) town, 25 mpg on the highway and will run mid-14s in the quarter mile. On a 350 it will have you in the 13s--no problemo. And it ought to last as long as any factory Camaro, so you can't beat that with a stick :bow: :bow: :bow:

I was leaning more towards the fact that when some 305 guy asks for performance upgrades or the sort, there are always people that take the time to down them for having a 305, but don't take the time to actually suggest upgrades...I haven't seen as much here as I do at www.thirdgen.org. I mean it's a 5.0! I bet that all those mustang guys don't say "well just get a 351", do they? No...sorry just gets on my nerves when someone logs in just to tell you to get a 350, duh, if I had the time and money I WOULD!!! And I do have BOTH, just ranting here

Originally posted by BamaZ28
I was leaning more towards the fact that when some 305 guy asks for performance upgrades or the sort, there are always people that take the time to down them for having a 305, but don't take the time to actually suggest upgrades...I haven't seen as much here as I do at www.thirdgen.org. I mean it's a 5.0! I bet that all those mustang guys don't say "well just get a 351", do they? No...sorry just gets on my nerves when someone logs in just to tell you to get a 350, duh, if I had the time and money I WOULD!!! And I do have BOTH, just ranting here

Yeah, I've ranted about it myself. But then just shoot back to the 350 crowd, "Why not a 383 or 400, you wimpy 350 owner!"

It's been proven over and over again that if you have a good 305 that doesn't need shortblock work, it is actually cheaper to build it up with all the juicey parts that transfer over to a 350, when that day comes around.

In the interim, your built 305 will wail on almost any stock or mild 350 :D

In the interim, your built 305 will wail on almost any stock or mild 350

hats good to hear.. dump a few $1000 into ur 305 just so u can beat up on STOCK 350's.. hope that 350 doesnt have any work, or the 305 is screwed

*gawd.. now i sound like a 305 basher.. and im 99% of the time now

It's not that we're a bunch of 305 haters, it's just that we realize that beyond a certain point, 305 mods are approach a point of diminishing returns. If somebody wants headers and a cam that's one thing, but as soon as people start talking about a stroker kit and $$$ heads, that's when the 350 comments usually come up. When you start getting into internal mods or any kind of a rebuild, that's when you really need to consider what you want. Rebuilding a 350 is CHEAPER than a 305, so even if you need to pay a few bucks for a good block, you wind up breaking even. Unless you're a stock freak, I see no reason to pay as much for a 305 vs a 350. I also consider it equally pointless to piss big money into modding the 305 when you could use that money on a 350. Does that mean that headers and a cam is a waste of money? Of course not... but spending $2k+ on mods is to me.

I really thought the 305(lb9) in my car was awesome for a factory motor in 87. Especially with the T5. Problem is when you start looking past the no brainer mods like cam, headers and such there doesn't seam to be as much of a market. I know porting the heads on the 305s is very popular and worthwhile but beyond that trick flow and the others don't seam to make the 180 cc and above heads to fit in the 305s little bore.

I think I know why chevy made the 305 the way they did with the smaller bore, I just wish they would have destroked it instead of making the bore smaller. That way the head choices would be much greater.

And I don't like the idea of buying a cam for a 305 knowing it will need to be enough for a 350 latter on. I was heading down that road myself and said screw it and waited for the 350.

Oh yeah and about the Ford thing with the 5.0. There is a larger aftermarket for the 302 than the 351. That's why there is no big reason to upgrade. Most of their aftermarket is geared towards the 5.0.

Sitting bull makes a good point. The only thing on my 305 that I spent money on and wouldnt transfer well to a 350 would be the cam, which is a stock LT1 cam and I'll be out a whopping $35. Granted it would work, but its not something I'd like to use in a good 350. The Vortec heads would work fine, as well as the intake manifold. That was one of the things I kept in mind when I started my buildup, so all I would really need would be a decent short block, cam and gaskets and Im golden.

305's can be fun to build up, the problem is, when you get a fast 305 running, no one will ever believe you that it's a 305.

I had myself a vortec 305, it went pretty good and would hold it's own on mild to stock 302's. Then i blew it up :)

my 350 would run circles around my 305 and they both had the same parts on it.

I will still mod a 305 if my next camaro/firebird has one in it.
I won't put parts on it that will only work with a 305 though,
I will make sure it will work well on a 350+ also.

:D Ive had LT1s give me that 305 crap at stoplights right before I :Owned: them. With the stock TPI as everyone knows its a low end torque whore and Because you ussually dont race all that far on the street its hard to beat a TPI. The only race Ive ever lost badly on the street was to an LS1 and that was before my cam, headers and Flowmaster; I think I may be able to hold my own with one now. But I want more power in the quarter so Im going to a big Holley and Team G intake I dont have the money to build the TPI.

I only had to use 100HP jets in my nitrous system to get it to run 13.30's:) These are SWEET engines...:rolleyes:

The guys that have the FREAKISHLY fast 305 enines...I hate you:) hehehe I'd actually like to get one of those THEN start the mods...There's a local cnvertibe here with a 305 and headers, ignition, exhaust, gear running like 14.40's...That's a good start i think...ah well

And honestly...My little 305 runs 87 MPH on motor and 105 MPH on a 100 shot. I don't know WHY it gained 18 total MPH in the 1/4 mile but I was happy with that!!:eek: Fun while it lasted...Now it's winter time. Time to save, time to spend, time to wrench...

I'll leave with the famous line of any automotive message board..."Wait until spring!!!:eek:"


Chuck...you can let go of your nuts now. I won't rip them off, this year.

Originally posted by BamaZ28
This is the first time I think I have ever vented on this board! I get sick of people with 350 or bigger always telling us 305 guys when we have questions to just get a 350!!! I have one of each and still get tired of hearing it!!! Shove it!!!!!

hahaa...I get made fun of too. Its all good. I surprise the **** out of LT1s and especially IROCs. I jus gotta show them what 209 HP is all about. lol :D

Originally posted by AutoRoc

Chuck...you can let go of your nuts now. I won't rip them off, this year.

You better be packin something more than 105 mph for next year if you wanna hang with the RS ;)

Originally posted by aziroc
hats good to hear.. dump a few $1000 into ur 305 just so u can beat up on STOCK 350's.. hope that 350 doesnt have any work, or the 305 is screwed

*gawd.. now i sound like a 305 basher.. and im 99% of the time now

That is NOT what I said, is it?

How many types of stock 350s are there? Dozens? 2 barrels, 4 barrels, L98s?

My 305 will keep up with ANY stock L98, and wail those others, easily.

And what is wrong with mid-14s in the quarter?

Moreover, EVERY piece currently sitting in the 305 will work perfectly in a 350. So why should we throw away perfectly good 305s? That can wait until it is worn out.

And you're a wimp anyway--real men don't drive 350s, they get 383s and 400s when their 305 wears out :p

I dont understand why so many 350 guys act hard, but barely run 13's. Back in my near stock days, I could run 14.4 @99.8 consistently, and that was with terrible traction. I always felt these 5 spd G92s were some of the fastest irocs. Had I run slicks, it woulda been a close to 13 second run. How many near stock 350 tpis do that? Oh..almost none. Whatever your motor size is....I could care less. So the next guy who says to get a 350...ask him what he runs. When he says 14.2 or 14.6, tell him to eat it.

For the 305 guys, if it makes you feel any better, one the quickest IROCs out there is Preston Smith's. He ran a 9.9 with a Vortech blown 305 (bored .030 over IIRC). Now he's turbocharged, but I don't know what he runs now but still uses a 305. His car is totally streetable.

For those that say "put that turbo/supcharger on a 350, and see what happens"....well, has anyone really done it, cuz I sure haven't seen it. At least I haven't seen the numbers to prove otherwise. If Preston were to put a 350 in his IROC and swap everything on his 305 over to the 350, theoretically he should be running quicker than 9.9, correct?

I'm surprised Willie hasn't said something yet. His car is another well engineered 305 that runs 12 flat with a Procharger. That's as quick, if not quicker than a lot of 350s I've seen with a blower with similar mods.

Since we're talking about cubes, if I had a 305 and wanted a bigger motor, I'd skip the 350 and go to a stroked 400!:D

Preston Smith's "305" is a joke. It may be 305 cubic inches, but it's FAR from a stock bore and stroke. It's got a huge bore and a very short stroke. He was also running 24lbs of boost when he got it into the 9s. Don't get me wrong, that car is absolutely astonishing and I'm not taking anything away from it, but to compare it to a stock 305 is ridiculous. It's got as much in common with a stock 305 as my motor has in common with a winston cup motor. There's way more to a motor than cubic inches. It just happens that the stock bore & stroke on a 305 leaves a lot to be desired.

I also don't see why 350 guys bash 305's, I've seen many 350 cars that are rediculously slow.

The 350 guys bash the 305 guys, but i NEVER see 351 windsor guys bashing the 302 guys!! I don't understand..

I noticed alot of people that have 305's just put in parts that are mis-matched (mostly cams that are too big for stock heads/intake). This obviously will get you nowhere if you're looking for good 1/4 mile times.

So far I like my choice of a 335 stroker, and here's why:

1. It's unique.
2. I haven't seen one other person build one.
3. It seems to have quite the large amount of torque.
4. This thing rev's extremely quick, so it makes me wonder what it will do on the dyno / track.
5. I want to see what this bitch will pull in the 1/4:metal:

Later guys

Tell me more about this 335! And that is exactly what I am talking about with the Ford guys and us Chevy guys, no "oh you gotta a 302 (5.0)? Why not just get a 351?" you know?

Originally posted by BamaZ28
Tell me more about this 335! And that is exactly what I am talking about with the Ford guys and us Chevy guys, no "oh you gotta a 302 (5.0)? Why not just get a 351?" you know?

Well, I got the kit from Powerhouse (www.enginekits.com) you can download a free catalog from there.

It came with an Eagle 3.750 crank, Eagle CR3 rods (I upgraded from the base CR1 rods), Keith Black 10:1 hypereutectic pistons, a complete gasket set, Pioneer flex plate and 8" balancer, and the whole bottom end was balanced. As you can see, these are all top-notch companies, and they have a good reputation in the industry. I found no problems with these parts, and they all seem to be made very well. Super Chevy magazine had a project car with this 335 kit in it, and they were VERY impressed. They also had a puny cam (.444 lift I think), while mine is .480.

In total the kit itself came to $993 I beleive, since I opted to get better rods and I got it balanced too.

Basically all my other mods are on my website. The motor isn't broken in yet, but when I was messing around in my driveway.. the car feels extremely torquey and powerful, it revs very quick also. Once its broken in this coming summer, I'll be taking it to the Dyno, and maybe New England Dragway if I get a chance.

This kit will require block, rod, & oil pan clearancing. E-mail me or PM me if you want me to go more in detail. Me and my father did all of this ourselves in our garage.

Later guys:cool:

Great looking car!! I cehcked out your page...sounds like more of an engine for my 81. But it is gonna have the weekend racer 350, custom built by me engine. When it comes to clearances and having to do all that minute stuff, I lack patience. Bad trait of mine. However, make sure you let us see the time slips!!! So can the 350 guys bash you? Your not a 305, but not yet a 350? haha

Originally posted by BamaZ28
When it comes to clearances and having to do all that minute stuff, I lack patience. Bad trait of mine. However, make sure you let us see the time slips!!! So can the 350 guys bash you? Your not a 305, but not yet a 350? haha

I hear ya man about lacking patience, luckily I have a good amount. I had to put this shortblock together 6 times before everything cleared the way I wanted it:mad:

I'll be sure to post the slips/ dyno runs when I get them:D

Yeah the 350 guys still bash me a little, but I just laugh. They always say "small bore & large stroke = little horsepower gain".
They don't usually say much though, I guess my car is one of a kind.

Originally posted by Chuck!
You better be packin something more than 105 mph for next year if you wanna hang with the RS ;)

My plan is 135...what's yours, little miss muffet?:)

Anyone that rags on 305s, I just let them know about my friend and his 89 IROC with around 500 horsepower. That usually shuts them up pretty quick.