Toyota to fix 1.27 million cars in Japan's largest recall

Toyota to fix 1.27 million cars in Japan's largest recall

TOKYO -- Toyota Motor Corp., the world's second-largest carmaker, will fix defects in 1.27 million vehicles in Japan's largest one-time recall.

The recall will cover 16 models including the Corolla, the RAV4 and the Vitz, Toyota said in a filing to the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport today. The recall will cost 15.49 billion yen ($134 million), 14.8 billion yen domestically and 690 million yen overseas, said Toyota spokesman Paul Nolasco.

There have been no reports of injuries from the defects, the Tokyo-based Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport said on its Web site today. The affected vehicles were built between May 10, 2000, and Aug. 31, 2002. The carmaker is repairing faulty headlamps in all of the vehicles and faulty brakes in 3,722 units, Toyota said.

Automakers fix the vehicles at no cost to customers. They typically pay for recalls out of reserves set aside for that purpose. A defect in headlamps may turn lights off, Toyota said.


http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0510/18/aut01-352865.htm

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See Japanese make ****ty cars and all foreign cars suck.
Ha where are the media bias people? I found it on 9587 websites. American cars suck.
Your stupid.
Youre stupier.
I hate foreign cars. They suck and have recalls.
Media bias hahahaha it was all over the news.

And so will die a thread that could have had value.

Thread:

See Japanese make ****ty cars and all foreign cars suck.
Ha where are the media bias people? I found it on 9587 websites. American cars suck.
Your stupid.
Youre stupier.
I hate foreign cars. They suck and have recalls.
Media bias hahahaha it was all over the news.

And so will die a thread that could have had value.

Cliff's notes please.

Just because they are starting to get more coverage now does not mean they always were receiving such coverage.

The media appears to be having its moods as well. They swing from favouring one manufacturer to another, and likewise they swing from disliking one manufacturer to another. Not too long ago you wouldn't read too many great things about Audis, pick up any of the big 3 car magazines now (MT, R&T, C&D) and they are absolutely the most wonderfully put together cars, although there is hardly any improvement from previous models that were trashed.

Maybe they got tired of picking on the same manufacturers for so long, maybe it's time to find a new victim. And maybe they are not allocating as much money to advertising as they used to.

Why do they keep calling Toyota the 2nd largest manufacturer? Last I checked this year Ford and Chrysler was out selling Toyota. So you sell the 4th most cars and become the 2nd largest manufacturer? I though Calc 2 was hard.

A defect may cause the headlights to turn off. Wow... catostrophic!:p I had 3 recalls on my Silverado worse than that and never even saw them mentioned in the news, nor did I get too bothered by them.

Why do they keep calling Toyota the 2nd largest manufacturer? Last I checked this year Ford and Chrysler was out selling Toyota. So you sell the 4th most cars and become the 2nd largest manufacturer? I though Calc 2 was hard.

Toyota is the second best selling manufacturer in the world, second only to GM.

Thread:

See Japanese make ****ty cars and all foreign cars suck.
Ha where are the media bias people? I found it on 9587 websites. American cars suck.
Your stupid.
Youre stupier.
I hate foreign cars. They suck and have recalls.
Media bias hahahaha it was all over the news.

And so will die a thread that could have had value.

You forgot the good ole "I had a recall on my American car. It involved a completely different part and was years ago. It has absolutely nothing to do with this but I'll post it anyway. Now to wait until the next American car recall thread and yell at anyone bring up a recall on a Japanese car as being off topic and biased."

Oh wait, seems someone already covered that one :D

Chris

A defect may cause the headlights to turn off. Wow... catostrophic!:p
Would you want that in midtown Memphis after 10pm? :)

A defect may cause the headlights to turn off. Wow... catostrophic!:p I had 3 recalls on my Silverado worse than that and never even saw them mentioned in the news, nor did I get too bothered by them.
Toyota is the second best selling manufacturer in the world, second only to GM.

Sorry if I've blown your fuse by reporting what the media chooses to air...but the media seems content to steer clear of Toyota issues even though most of us mere mortals are aware that recalls are most definitely part of the automotive business. The media only sometimes discriminates... now its Toyotas turn.

It wasn't that long ago ... as reported on autoweek that Toyota were neglecting to recall issues relating to the Scion's low speed bucking (if I recall)... "all normal" was Toyota's response to Autoweek staff! :eek:

Thread:

See Japanese make ****ty cars and all foreign cars suck.
Ha where are the media bias people? I found it on 9587 websites. American cars suck.
Your stupid.
Youre stupier.
I hate foreign cars. They suck and have recalls.
Media bias hahahaha it was all over the news.

And so will die a thread that could have had value.

:lol:

Cliff's notes please.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

ok thats enough of a useless post-whoreish post for me



btw: SSbaby i cant get any of the threads on ls1holden.com to work. i get this message
"Parse error: parse error, unexpected $ in /home/aust/public_html/forum/includes/template.php(127) : eval()'d code on line 117"
just thought id let you know.

:lol:
btw: SSbaby i cant get any of the threads on ls1holden.com to work. i get this message
"Parse error: parse error, unexpected $ in /home/aust/public_html/forum/includes/template.php(127) : eval()'d code on line 117"
just thought id let you know.

Yes, thanks for the feedback. Apparently a database issue... all fixed now.

Sorry if I've blown your fuse by reporting what the media chooses to air...but the media seems content to steer clear of Toyota issues even though most of us mere mortals are aware that recalls are most definitely part of the automotive business. The media only sometimes discriminates... now its Toyotas turn.

It wasn't that long ago ... as reported on autoweek that Toyota were neglecting to recall issues relating to the Scion's low speed bucking (if I recall)... "all normal" was Toyota's response to Autoweek staff! :eek:

Blown my fuse? I'm not upset.:p

As I don't think I need to continue to prove, the media doesn't steer clear of Toyota's recalls. Supposedly they used to. Amazingly enough people finally stopped making that claim as soon as I started bothering to post news.google.com links. I wonder if I'd started doing that oh, maybe, a year or two earlier (though that far back I'm not sure if news.google.com was running?) if the claims of media bias would have stopped all that much sooner?

Convenient that the 'media stopped their bias' right about the time that I decided to pull up some real stats.:lol:

Blown my fuse? I'm not upset.:p

As I don't think I need to continue to prove, the media doesn't steer clear of Toyota's recalls. Supposedly they used to. Amazingly enough people finally stopped making that claim as soon as I started bothering to post news.google.com links. I wonder if I'd started doing that oh, maybe, a year or two earlier (though that far back I'm not sure if news.google.com was running?) if the claims of media bias would have stopped all that much sooner?

Convenient that the 'media stopped their bias' right about the time that I decided to pull up some real stats.:lol:

If this announcement is made on both my local NBC news and also on the NBC Nightly News this evening - as almost every Ford or GM notice seems to be, I'll be both satisfied (and impressed).
Stay tuned... I'll let you know.

PS - You hold your breath... I'm not going to hold mine. ;)

I can't ever see buying a foreign car (the wife is a different story). However, I think some of you really overblow this "media bias" thing. A LOT.

Smells like excuses.

PS...I wouldn't expect a recall in Japan on a Toyota to be on our local news anymore than I would expect a Ford recall in the US to be on Japan's local news.

If this announcement is made on both my local NBC news and also on the NBC Nightly News this evening - as almost every Ford or GM notice seems to be, I'll be both satisfied (and impressed).
Stay tuned... I'll let you know.

PS - You hold your breath... I'm not going to hold mine. ;)

You might refer to Bob's comment below your post.

Do you honestly expect the nightly news to report a recall as minor as a recall on headlight switches in Japan?

I sure wouldn't expect the Japanese news to give a damn about a US company with a minor, though widespread, US-only recall.

If this announcement is made on both my local NBC news and also on the NBC Nightly News this evening - as almost every Ford or GM notice seems to be, I'll be both satisfied (and impressed).
Stay tuned... I'll let you know.

PS - You hold your breath... I'm not going to hold mine.

AMEN to that. (Gads, I just agreed with something ProudPony said! :eek: )

Thread:

See Japanese make ****ty cars and all foreign cars suck.
Ha where are the media bias people? I found it on 9587 websites. American cars suck.
Your stupid.
Youre stupier.
I hate foreign cars. They suck and have recalls.
Media bias hahahaha it was all over the news.

And so will die a thread that could have had value.
don't forget honda CRV's bursting into flames every time they go in for an oil change, thats a staple of these types of threads :)

Do you honestly expect the nightly news to report a recall as minor as a recall on headlight switches in Japan?

Do I expect the news to report a problem with a Toyota... hmmm... what a question you pose... and this problem is "minor" to you... interesting.

Actually no, I don't.
It seems much more prudent to report on Ford voluntarilly replacing 198 control arms or GM also recalling 17,815 Buick Raniers, Chevrolet Trailblazers, GMC Envoys and Isuzu Ascenders from the 2005 model year because the windshield could fall out in a crash. Never seen THAT before. :rolleyes: (Heaven forbid... it might even get scratched or cracked if it doesn't fall out.)
Those seem much more newsworthy than to report on Toyota replacing 1,270,000 sets of headlamp circuitry that affect people in 5 countries - not to mention that this is the largest recall ever for the company.

In another thread, I've already shown reports of people being KILLED by Toyota drive-by-wire controls failures, the company knows about it, acknowledges it, but they not only are not recalling the cars, they are not fixing the problem either. But best of all, NOT ONE SINGLE NEWS AGENCY WANTS TO RUN A STORY ON IT. Mustang gas tanks - everybody knows. C/K series fuel tanks - everybody knows. Crown Vic tanks may leak in a rear-end impact at 70 mph - everybody knows. Toyotas are killing people with runaway control systems - NOBODY knows about it. Toyotas are killing and injuring

I guess this is like the argument for smoking...
There's always the person that has smoked since they were 14 and lived to be 99 in perfect health. That DOES NOT mean that smoking is good for you. There are thousands dying from Emphisema and Lung Cancer every day accross the country, but we dwell on "the one guy that...".
Some people see it, some people don't.

I am stating solidly that it is MY OPINION that the domestic carmakers are headlined more often with bad news than the import brands are, despite the import brands having an equal to fair share of problems and failures requiring corrective action. I know what I see and hear on the TV, radio, newspapers, and rags... unless we are all exposed to the exact same media, it is doubtful we would all have the exact same take on it. BFD. :blah:

oh geeze, here we go again.

Do I expect the news to report a problem with a Toyota... hmmm... what a question you pose... and this problem is "minor" to you... interesting.

Actually no, I don't.
It seems much more prudent to report on Ford voluntarilly replacing 198 control arms or GM also recalling 17,815 Buick Raniers, Chevrolet Trailblazers, GMC Envoys and Isuzu Ascenders from the 2005 model year because the windshield could fall out in a crash. Never seen THAT before. :rolleyes: (Heaven forbid... it might even get scratched or cracked if it doesn't fall out.)
Those seem much more newsworthy than to report on Toyota replacing 1,270,000 sets of headlamp circuitry that affect people in 5 countries - not to mention that this is the largest recall ever for the company.

In another thread, I've already shown reports of people being KILLED by Toyota drive-by-wire controls failures, the company knows about it, acknowledges it, but they not only are not recalling the cars, they are not fixing the problem either. But best of all, NOT ONE SINGLE NEWS AGENCY WANTS TO RUN A STORY ON IT. Mustang gas tanks - everybody knows. C/K series fuel tanks - everybody knows. Crown Vic tanks may leak in a rear-end impact at 70 mph - everybody knows. Toyotas are killing people with runaway control systems - NOBODY knows about it. Toyotas are killing and injuring

I guess this is like the argument for smoking...
There's always the person that has smoked since they were 14 and lived to be 99 in perfect health. That DOES NOT mean that smoking is good for you. There are thousands dying from Emphisema and Lung Cancer every day accross the country, but we dwell on "the one guy that...".
Some people see it, some people don't.

I am stating solidly that it is MY OPINION that the domestic carmakers are headlined more often with bad news than the import brands are, despite the import brands having an equal to fair share of problems and failures requiring corrective action. I know what I see and hear on the TV, radio, newspapers, and rags... unless we are all exposed to the exact same media, it is doubtful we would all have the exact same take on it. BFD. :blah:

Ah, I see you're one of the unfortunate ones with selective hearing syndrome. This recall is affecting japan only, and it's a minor recall - headlights might turn off. Heck, even if this recall was happening to Holden of Australia on Holden vehicles in Australia only I'd be flat out shocked to see it covered on the nightly news.

That's why you shouldn't gauge 'media bias' by the coverage of this story. It doesn't affect the US and the only way its affecting the occasional japanese consumer is turning their lights off. Not exactly news worthy in either context.

As and FYI....the 11:00 am ABC news on my local AM radio station (WNIS) said that 70k-ish Scion TCs were being recalled. I believe it was something to do with the windshield, but I couldn't hear it that well, so didn't get the windshield.

And Proudpony...please don't take this as any sort of attack on you at all. I'm just expressing an opinion and throwing out a few things to support my opinions. :)

There's always the person that has smoked since they were 14 and lived to be 99 in perfect health. That DOES NOT mean that smoking is good for you. There are thousands dying from Emphisema and Lung Cancer every day accross the country, but we dwell on "the one guy that...".
Some people see it, some people don't.
If you all get nothing else from this thread remember that smoking is very bad for you :)

Ah, I see you're one of the unfortunate ones with selective hearing syndrome. This recall is affecting japan only, and it's a minor recall - headlights might turn off. Heck, even if this recall was happening to Holden of Australia on Holden vehicles in Australia only I'd be flat out shocked to see it covered on the nightly news.

That's why you shouldn't gauge 'media bias' by the coverage of this story. It doesn't affect the US and the only way its affecting the occasional japanese consumer is turning their lights off. Not exactly news worthy in either context.
they should have used reverse 911 (http://www.reverse911.com/) to warn people about this threxx

:)

Threxx, I agree that this recall may not make the news here, because it is mostly in Japan...but your "no big deal" opinion about headlights failing is pretty telling....so if I'm driving along at night and my headlights turn off by themselves, you don't see the potential for a major accident? Driver panic causing a major accident? It is unclear to me whether the lights can be instantly turned back on or not, but still this isn't like recalling GM SUVs because something might fall off the car during a major accident...duhhh....

funny thing is, there are probably dozens if not hundreds of recalls all over the planet on a yearly basis in countries which are not the united states, and yet very few if any of them are broadcast on the US national news.

:think:

If this announcement is made on both my local NBC news and also on the NBC Nightly News this evening - as almost every Ford or GM notice seems to be, I'll be both satisfied (and impressed).
Stay tuned... I'll let you know.

PS - You hold your breath... I'm not going to hold mine. ;)

:D Amen.

Hey Threxx...uhm yeah, I'd say having your headlights turn off without warning when you need them COULD be catastrophic. Care to tell me why you wouldn't agree?

Z28Wilson,
Naw...its really no big deal :) Just reconfirms the Toyota Fanboy status we got going on with him :D

Oh yeah... :bow:

(Sorry, almost forgot...)

Ah, I see you're one of the unfortunate ones with selective hearing syndrome. This recall is affecting japan only, and it's a minor recall - headlights might turn off.

"The company's biggest safety recall will involve right-hand-drive cars sold in Japan, Singapore, Thailand and Malaysia and 69,848 sold in Australia."

It's more then just Japan. It does seem to be right hand drive cars only though.

Also, I wouldn't call headlights turning off minor, it could be quite dangerous at night. Had it happen in my WS.6 with bad replacement bulbs (both lowbeams went out) and it was NOT fun. Luckily my highbeams still worked so at least people could see me (and I could see the road). Also happened to my friend in his 68 Mustang, I had to play "spotter" and drive right in front of him the whole way home.

Chris

Blown my fuse? I'm not upset.:p

As I don't think I need to continue to prove, the media doesn't steer clear of Toyota's recalls. Supposedly they used to. Amazingly enough people finally stopped making that claim as soon as I started bothering to post news.google.com links. I wonder if I'd started doing that oh, maybe, a year or two earlier (though that far back I'm not sure if news.google.com was running?) if the claims of media bias would have stopped all that much sooner?

Convenient that the 'media stopped their bias' right about the time that I decided to pull up some real stats.:lol:

I knew you'd say that, and was only waiting how long it would take you, but don't credit yourself - news.google.com is hardly any indication of anything other than frequency of occurence of words.

Watch local television, check out cnn.com. First note the presence of the article on the main page, then read the tone of it (as in the spirit and not the letter). And even if this is changing, it does not mean it has always been that way. There are plenty of people here who witnessed it and perhaps still witness that. You may have arrived late and you may be ignorant of what happened in the past. Perhaps the next thing to argue is that Top Gear gives an unbiased review of american cars.

This shift of opinion was not due to what was posted by whom, but more so due to frequency of foreign recalls posted here and from which source. And even still I am not at the point where I'll claim the media bias is gone.

Well, I'm one of the people that thinks there is some inherent bias in the media (with respect to lots of things, not just Japanese automakers). However, since this recall affects the Japanese (and a few other non-US) markets, I would not use this story as evidence toward that point.

One telling thing in the original article was that the representative from Toyota flat out said that they are having some "big company syndrome" and that they are not immune to it. Goofs like this are more likely as a company adds more people (more chances to goof something up) and more product lines, plants, etc. Ask GM and Ford, who have been huge for decades...

One of my best friends from school works at the Toyota Technical Center in Ann Arbor (is a whore! ;)), Michigan. He is already seeing more and more "big company" behavior in his day to day job, and it bothers him. In fact, he recently told me one of his coworkers was pissed because he went to have the admin buy a few new report binders, and she declined. Evidently the director said no more of that stuff for a while; deal with what you have. Swimming in $10Billion/year profits and scrimping on binders... (little anecdote that struck me as funny)

Cliffs: yes I think there is some bias, no I don't think this is a great example of it (since it is a non US market issue - so far, anyway), and Toyota will likely find this occurring a little more often if they continue to grow...

:)

they should have used reverse 911 (http://www.reverse911.com/) to warn people about this threxx

:)


Do I sense circle jerk going around?

Do I sense circle jerk going around?

Well with two people that would only be mutual masterbation.;)

Well with two people that would only be mutual masterbation.;)

There was a third one in the thread.

there are always two distinct circle jerk groups in these types of threads :)

Well this is no suprise. Another thread about media bias. Can I take a stab as to why this made it into the news? Might it be because there are over a million vehicles involved in the recall? How many cars were involved in the Mazda recall? A few thousand? Almost everyone was irate because it didn't make front page news :rolleyes: . Maybe because it was an insignificant recall. Now Toyota makes it into the news and people are still bitching about media bias. The media definetly has their biases, but too many people here are playing this crap up.

oh geeze

oh geeze

:think:

Ah, I see you're one of the unfortunate ones with selective hearing syndrome. This recall is affecting japan only, and it's a minor recall - headlights might turn off. Heck, even if this recall was happening to Holden of Australia on Holden vehicles in Australia only I'd be flat out shocked to see it covered on the nightly news.

That's why you shouldn't gauge 'media bias' by the coverage of this story. It doesn't affect the US and the only way its affecting the occasional japanese consumer is turning their lights off. Not exactly news worthy in either context.

Sorry but your first statement is incorrect. My dear old mother-in-law has received a recall notice for her Corolla (RAV4 built in Japan, too)... in far out Australia. The recall has also received media airing. The problem appears to be isolated to cars produced between 2002-2004. It could be just a precautionary check... but a recall is a recall and the owner needs to make allowances to have their car checked.

:think:
posts like that get people angry

:)

posts like that get people angry

:)

Oh well. Threads like these get me angry.

I have my person opinions on this, but I'll leave it out. I just thought that I heard something interesting last week. My teacher at school is going to Toyota tech training so the school can be certified. He made the comment that on a Toyota's that there has been a problem with a mildew smell coming from the evaperator. Toyota's fix, I don't think they will cover any work under warrenty, and that owners that have that problem should turn the A/C off and let the fan run a little bit to dry off the evap.:eek: I'm sorry, but my family and relatives have yet to own a vehical that have had that kind of problem. If I owned a Toyota, I would expect them to come up with a fix for it, not to tell me it is my problem. BTW, replacing the evap doesn't fix it.

Just thought that if that was the first I have heard about it, how much else have I not heard about. Makes me hesitant to buy anything Toyota. :think:

I have my person opinions on this, but I'll leave it out. I just thought that I heard something interesting last week. My teacher at school is going to Toyota tech training so the school can be certified. He made the comment that on a Toyota's that there has been a problem with a mildew smell coming from the evaperator. Toyota's fix, I don't think they will cover any work under warrenty, and that owners that have that problem should turn the A/C off and let the fan run a little bit to dry off the evap.:eek: I'm sorry, but my family and relatives have yet to own a vehical that have had that kind of problem. If I owned a Toyota, I would expect them to come up with a fix for it, not to tell me it is my problem. BTW, replacing the evap doesn't fix it.

Just thought that if that was the first I have heard about it, how much else have I not heard about. Makes me hesitant to buy anything Toyota. :think:

Mildew smell coming from the vents when first starting the car after it sat for a while with the A/C being on right as it was shut off... that has been a common 'issue' with just about every make and model of car I've encountered since I started driving.:think: For some reason it seems to be much more prevalent in cars with manual climate control than ones with automatic climate control, but regardless. The car that did it the worst was my mom's 96 Ford Taurus. Wife's old 99 Accord did it pretty bad too. Just turn the A/C to vent the last 10 seconds or so before you park and it won't do it. Either that or just spray some lyson and ozone into the air intake for your climate system and let it sit for a while... do that about once every 6 months. Either way it's fine.

I remember reading something about weird smells in just about every Toyota vehicle in their lineup in their TSBs, but those TSBs could have been only for vehicles that are a few years old now. I have heard about this problem though before with Toyota. I find it interesting someone brought it up. I don't recall if the smell was AC related though. It was awhile ago, and I didn't pay it much attention to it.

I remember reading something about weird smells in just about every Toyota vehicle in their lineup in their TSBs, but those TSBs could have been only for vehicles that are a few years old now. I have heard about this problem though before with Toyota. I find it interesting someone brought it up. I don't recall if the smell was AC related though. It was awhile ago, and I didn't pay it much attention to it.
there is the same TSB for the f-body

i forget the exact years, but the fix was to use some sort of foam to kill off the bacteria then install some fan of some sort that ran for 2 minuites after the a/c was turned off. later cars, i believe the 97+ interior, had this fix already.

this is going off long ago memory though, so i might be off a bit.

I remember reading something about weird smells in just about every Toyota vehicle in their lineup in their TSBs, but those TSBs could have been only for vehicles that are a few years old now. I have heard about this problem though before with Toyota. I find it interesting someone brought it up. I don't recall if the smell was AC related though. It was awhile ago, and I didn't pay it much attention to it.

The only other smell related problem I can recall is a sulfur smell from certain types of cat converters... this affected makes from all three continents. Nobody really saw it coming. Never was that big of a deal; just some people got offended by a sulfur-like smell from their cat after spirited driving IIRC.

Kinda like the knocking noise from the 4.8 and 5.3 on cold startup. Never caused any problems but still became a big ordeal because it bothered lots of people.

The only other smell related problem I can recall is a sulfur smell from certain types of cat converters... this affected makes from all three continents. Nobody really saw it coming. Never was that big of a deal; just some people got offended by a sulfur-like smell from their cat after spirited driving IIRC.

Kinda like the knocking noise from the 4.8 and 5.3 on cold startup. Never caused any problems but still became a big ordeal because it bothered lots of people.

You know, now that I think about it, I think you may be right. I believe it was a sulfur like smell, and it may have been from the cat. Since I seldom see Toyota drivers driving spiritedly, I doubt this is something they affected that many people

there is the same TSB for the f-body

i forget the exact years, but the fix was to use some sort of foam to kill off the bacteria then install some fan of some sort that ran for 2 minuites after the a/c was turned off. later cars, i believe the 97+ interior, had this fix already.

this is going off long ago memory though, so i might be off a bit.

I wouldn't know then, if the smell is AC related, because my AC compressor pulley bearing started making so much noise all the time that I yanked the belt off the compressor, and viola, problem solved.