Threxx 10-14-2005, 01:06 PM http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=107412/pageNumber=1?tid=edmunds.h..research.roadtests.1.*
I haven't seen onet yet in person but by the pics, article, and specs I've read so far it seems like it could be a very nice all around package. The interior looks great in most regards for its price range, great chassis, new 6-speed auto... only thing I think it may need is a new motor. Even though the power rating is decent ever Ford vehicle I've driven with that basic motor design just seems thrashy and rough around the edges. Though it sounds like they may have a solution for that coming shortly.:)
97z28/m6 10-14-2005, 01:14 PM http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=107412/pageNumber=1?tid=edmunds.h..research.roadtests.1.*
I haven't seen onet yet in person but by the pics, article, and specs I've read so far it seems like it could be a very nice all around package. The interior looks great in most regards for its price range, great chassis, new 6-speed auto... only thing I think it may need is a new motor. Even though the power rating is decent ever Ford vehicle I've driven with that basic motor design just seems thrashy and rough around the edges. Though it sounds like they may have a solution for that coming shortly.:)what's your opinion on the mazda 6?
Threxx 10-14-2005, 01:28 PM what's your opinion on the mazda 6?
Pretty nice; hard to compare it to the Fusion since I've yet to drive the 6 and yet to even see the Fusion but I'm sure that the Fusion got quite a nice bit of help from the 6.
unvc92camarors 10-14-2005, 01:33 PM Saw one about a week back. :barf:
I thought it looked decent in pics but on the road, it's a moving abomination imo...
guionM 10-14-2005, 01:41 PM There's alot riding on the Fusion. I think it and the Milan will do OK, but I really really question the Lincoln Zephyr.
I smell a Cimmaron repeat there.
Jason E 10-14-2005, 03:20 PM There's alot riding on the Fusion. I think it and the Milan will do OK, but I really really question the Lincoln Zephyr.
I smell a Cimmaron repeat there.
DING DING DING :D
I've seen a Zephyr... :rolleyes: It is the Cimarron reincarnated, IMO. What makes it worth $10k more than a Milan, I have no idea...
But the Milan and the Fusion? Nice rides. The interior is a little nicer than a G6, but I still prefer the G6 outside and the 6 speed manual with the GTP...V6 Fusions are AT only.
number77 10-14-2005, 03:39 PM http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/roadtest/06.ford.fusion/06.ford.fusion.r34.500.jpg
did a civic just drive by?
2000GTP 10-14-2005, 03:42 PM DING DING DING :D
I've seen a Zephyr... :rolleyes: It is the Cimarron reincarnated, IMO. What makes it worth $10k more than a Milan, I have no idea...
But the Milan and the Fusion? Nice rides. The interior is a little nicer than a G6, but I still prefer the G6 outside and the 6 speed manual with the GTP...V6 Fusions are AT only.
The Fusion is a nice car, but I would have to agree that the G6 is sleeker on the outside.
muckz 10-14-2005, 04:16 PM Read this tidbit:
" it makes sense that Ford based the Fusion on the fun-to-drive but slightly impractical Mazda 6 sedan."
What makes Mazda6 so impractical? :confused:
Gold_Rush 10-14-2005, 04:16 PM Nice car. I would consider cross-shopping it with accord/altima (hate camry's) once they get the 3.5L v6 in there. The current 220hp 3.0L is decent at best.
The model that will really have my attention in the Fusion lineup will be the SVT version. AWD, 274+hp turbocharged 4, 6spd manual, hmmmmm.
muckz 10-14-2005, 04:20 PM 220 HP is not that weak if coupled with a 5-speed manual. Mazda 6 with the same engine is really a blast to drive and gets a 1/4 mi in about 15.0 - 15.3 seconds at 91mph.
Their 5-speed auto (mazda) was garbage performance-wise - the quarter mile grew to 16.1 - 16.3
I hope the new 6-speed is better, haven't seen any numbers yet.
Gold_Rush 10-14-2005, 04:31 PM Well, it isn't weak, but it's only decent. Accord v6 has 245hp, 3.9L g6 sedan will have 240hp, Altima has 250hp now i believe. The benchmark right now seems to be around 240-250hp, and the Fusions 221hp falls short of that. But the new 3.5L should put it right around 250hp when it does come out middle of next year as an 07 model.
JG/70Z 10-14-2005, 05:12 PM noice! i like it.
Eric77TA 10-14-2005, 05:51 PM I saw the first one I've seen so far this morning. It was illegally parked and blocking traffic, causing three lanes to merge to two, so I got to drive by it fairly slowly. Didn't get to see the front, but I thought that the back and rear 3/4 actually looked nicely detailed and had an air of quality. For my dollar, I'd still rather have a G6, but I think this car could do well for Ford.
I bet the opinions will differ quite a bit once it ends up in a magazine article where it competes with 2+ other cars(Accord, Camry, Impala, etc)
Thought I must say, this must be one of the most decent looking interiors to come out of ford. I think the steeing wheel would look much better if the name "Fusion" was on it rather than "Ford". Just like the Chevys, the gold bowtie just doesn't look right on the steering wheel.
DrewSG 10-15-2005, 05:34 AM Read this tidbit:
" it makes sense that Ford based the Fusion on the fun-to-drive but slightly impractical Mazda 6 sedan."
What makes Mazda6 so impractical? :confused:
The rear seat room is a bit cramped. That's the only complaint I've heard about it. That's why they stretched out the platform for the Fusion/Milan/Zephyr. But Ford got them a great chassis to work with, this car should have no problem getting Ford back into the family sedan market.
I've heard the SVT Fusion may also get the same powertrain from the Mazdaspeed 6
25thTA 10-15-2005, 07:24 AM I smell a Cimmaron repeat there.
Wasn't the Cimmaron a J-body? GM's cheepest car turned into a luxury car was bad. I don't think the Fusion/Zephyr are in the same catagory.
When I see a G6, I just think Oprah. :eek: The Fusion is a good looking car. I've driven one and it is nice. I think it will do well. But, Ford is going to have to give some incentives to get it moving. The mid-size market is so crowded. Another problem is the new Hyundai in there shaking things up, too. We'll have to wait and see if the Fusion lives up to to hype. I remember all the rave reviews when the Focus first came out, too.
Omegalock 10-15-2005, 09:23 AM Nice car. I would consider cross-shopping it with accord/altima (hate camry's) once they get the 3.5L v6 in there. The current 220hp 3.0L is decent at best.
The model that will really have my attention in the Fusion lineup will be the SVT version. AWD, 274+hp turbocharged 4, 6spd manual, hmmmmm.
I thought the SVT version was going to get a turbo V6. Now that would be an instant smash hit. EVO STi who what now? THAT would be a hard car to pass up.
Gold_Rush 10-15-2005, 12:29 PM I thought the SVT version was going to get a turbo V6. Now that would be an instant smash hit. EVO STi who what now? THAT would be a hard car to pass up.
I've heard that it is going to be a mechanical twin to the mazdaspeed6.
Omegalock 10-15-2005, 02:01 PM Ah well that sucks.
guionM 10-15-2005, 02:10 PM Wasn't the Cimmaron a J-body? GM's cheepest car turned into a luxury car was bad. I don't think the Fusion/Zephyr are in the same catagory.
Cimmaron tanked because it was badge engineering of a car that went for a low price in one division that was jacked up by an ungodly amount without anything more than a front end and a dashboard. That's case with Zephyr.
When Cimmaron came out, GM's J-car was still spanking new, and one of the most advanced chassis at the time. Imagine throwing a Cadillac grille and alot of fake interior wood in a Chevy Malibu, then charging $30-32,000 for it, and you get the picture.
Jason E 10-15-2005, 03:19 PM Actually guy, my best friend had an '85 2.8 Cimarron for a winter beater for a couple years in the late '90s...bought it for $900. Best $900 he ever spent :D Anyway, the dash wasn't different than a Cavalier. It was a brushed metal Cavvy dash with a tach and a nicer center console...otherwise, it was the same :D
The Lincoln's wood is gorgeous...I give it that. But I won't spend $30k+ for wood trim on my Navigator-looking dash-in-my-220hp-$30k+ car, thanks very much.
And it isn't because I'm some GM fanboy, either...if Caddy put this car out, I'd be ripping them a new one.
Jason E 10-15-2005, 03:21 PM 220 HP is not that weak if coupled with a 5-speed manual. Mazda 6 with the same engine is really a blast to drive and gets a 1/4 mi in about 15.0 - 15.3 seconds at 91mph.
Their 5-speed auto (mazda) was garbage performance-wise - the quarter mile grew to 16.1 - 16.3
I hope the new 6-speed is better, haven't seen any numbers yet.
Obviously you didn't read my post from above...the Fusion will not have a manual V6 option...so yeah, 220hp ain't bad. But it doesn't have the right tranny to move it.
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