Will you consider the Hyundai Pony car

The other thread got me thinking about this and I wondered what everyone else was thinking.

I will test and consider all ponycars that are on the market when I am ready to purchase a new car (around 2009 when I return from Germany). I will have a slight bias for the Chevy but it is my hard earned money that I'm spending, I want the best ponycar I can get.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

Maybe if it had a v8 option, i would consider the hyundai, but i doubt it. Not with mustangs, camaro's, challengers around.

As for the dodge, i probably would consider it. It all depends on the the style and the overall package. Same goes for the camaro.

I'd have to see it, drive, check it out. When I think Hyundai, I still think of the old beaters that were junk. I'm not closed to changing this view, I'd just have to see it to believe it.

Dodge: Yes

Hyundai: Hell no. :no:

Dodge, maybe
Hyundai, not a chance

i gotta see it first. i always said i would never buy a mustang, but when the SN95 Mach 1 came out, i almost ate my words. i'm just glad to see others jumping in on the pony car wars(hopefully GM will get there soon!!!)

Not a chance. Call me a snob, but I just can't see having a Hyundai, any Hyundai, in my garage.

That's not to say I don't think the car has the potential to do very well. There's plenty of cars out there that hit their target market right in the bullseye that I would never in a million years consider buying. This would be one of them.

well the article i read about this was several months ago... but they said it would include a V8, so that classifys itself to be a contender, but not a participant in my buying process. They said it would be in the same class as the GTO.

Hyundai Also said that they were aiming their guns at Mercedes and BMW as far as rwd sedans, and were going to have a very low price, the article said GM was likely to get cought in the warfare.

No, but only because I won't be in the new pony car market anytime soon.

But if I found it attractive, performed well for its price and was moderately comfortable I would consider it, although it would have lots of ground to make up for due to being a hyundai.

Nah, sounds too close to Honduh. ;)

I had to select no because Hyundai was in there. I would have no problem with a Dodge, I had actually expected the Charger would be a real Charger, and I would have wanted one. I had 69 Charger and 99 Concept Chargers all over my computer just at the thought. But Id never even consider much less own a Hyundai, Honda, Nissan or Toyota no matter how 'good' or bad it was perceived to be. (I'll leave out mitsu in case I ever pick up an old talon and someone tries to give me crap about it ;-)

Hyundai is INCAPABLE of making a "Ponycar".
They must be American, born in the 1960's, and have red, white, and blue in their logos! :usa:

Seriously, I wouldn't consider a Hyundai. At all. Any model.
They make appliances, excavators, tractors, and hand tools too, and I wouldn't own any of those products either.

I'd rather support my own nation and it's businesses - even if it means I am spending a little more money or tolerating a marginally less-perfect unit. That's my .02.

Probably not. If no Camaro, then I'll see what new Mustang models are out and also what the Challenger is packing (if it happens).

Also IF it ends up being Mustang vs Camaro vs Challenger, Hyundai is gonna have to pack some serious heat to be taken seriously in that kind of battle. I dont see them going toe to toe with the Big 3 pony cars and then undercutting them in pricing (which seems to be Hyundai's strategy, sell em cheaper and give them a helluva warranty)

I have no interest in Hyundai at all....

I have no interest in Hyundai at all....

Agreed. They can cram a V-12 in their "ponycar" and I still wont care.

Not unless they buy LS2's and 6 speed automatics from GM and make the car in North America

Hyundai of course is way ahead of the game. They spent decades of researching this ponycar business, and they started off way back in the 80's when they released dearly beloved Hyundai Pony.

The car was meant to be a direct competitor to Ford Mustang, a natural deduction based on the fact it was named Pony.

:D

Good Page for Pony (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/796613)

This link is censored. Replace the asterisk with "i"

http://www.scorbett.ca/photos/cars/1985_pony/sh*tbox.jpg

I doubt I'll ever buy a Korean car.

American, Canadian and Australian made, engineered only for me please. Anything else will be pushed off a cliff or to the crusher, except the high priced cars of Europe and Italy. :D

American, Canadian and Australian made, engineered only for me please. Anything else will be pushed off a cliff or to the crusher, except the high priced cars of Europe and Italy. :D

And if the new Camaro was built in Mexico, you would have to expand on your list, right? :rolleyes:

If Hyundai brought out a seriously competitive car, I dunno. Never really thought about them as much of a competitor, but then again, I never thought it would take 7 years for another Camaro either.

If they keep the weight down, they will surprise alot of people

My question is, how will the aftermarket respond to these cars? Will speed parts be decently priced and easy to find? That's a big key.

I could see Hyundai/Kia "pony cars" making the kind of impact the 350Z did with a small, hardcore following. Even then, Nissan (Datsun) had history on its side with the Z car from way back.

Yes of course, absolutely! ;) Just as soon as I get a call from satan, saying his **tz are frozen solid, because hell has completely frozen over! :D

And if the new Camaro was built in Mexico, you would have to expand on your list, right? :rolleyes:


If my new Camaro is built in Mexico, I might not buy it period. Not a big fan of exploiting cheap labor, thanks very much. And yes, I am aware my Camaro AND my Grand Prix were both built in Canada. But at least those jobs provided workers with decent jobs.

I already won't buy a Torrent because of the Chinese engine in it. My father wanted an Equinox over his '05 TB because he doesn't need something as big as the TB, but he won't buy one either because of the Chinese engine. Give me a Mexican Camaro? No thanks. And before someone gives me a smart a** comment about all the Chinese products in my house, uhm, I actually DON'T have a lot of Chinese products, aside from clothing. I actually check the labels to see where stuff is made. If an American counterpart is offered, I buy it, even if its more $$$.

As for a Hyundai pony car? I believe they'll make a decent one...and I believe a ton of people will buy their 300+HP, 100k warranty muscle car for $18,900. I won't be one of them.

If my new Camaro is built in Mexico, I might not buy it period. Not a big fan of exploiting cheap labor, thanks very much. And yes, I am aware my Camaro AND my Grand Prix were both built in Canada. But at least those jobs provided workers with decent jobs.

More power to you. I don't have a problem with people caring about where their vehicles are actually being built, I just think it was funny how that guy's list conveniently syncs up with just about every area GM builds most of their cars right now.

If my new Camaro is built in Mexico, I might not buy it period. Not a big fan of exploiting cheap labor, thanks very much. And yes, I am aware my Camaro AND my Grand Prix were both built in Canada. But at least those jobs provided workers with decent jobs.


YOUDAMAN!!! :bow:

So many spout-off the talk, then do exactly the opposite when it comes time to act.
We need more thoughtful people who make consciencious decisions about big ticket items, and don't execute the "salesman's delight" (a.k.a. "Impulse Buy").

If Camaro is going to be a midsized car (ie, Mustang (+) sized), I think I'd rather get a Challenger.

If Camaro is going to be a midsized car (ie, Mustang (+) sized), I think I'd rather get a Challenger.


....... and if Challenger follows suit? :D

I dont think they will have a pony car. I think the first sporty car they release will be more WRX/EVO than Mustang/Camaro. Hyundai does rally race. It just seems easyer to do for them.

they rally the accent, not the tuscani/tiburon. Everytime I look at that car (the current, 3rd generation) It just seems like it SHOULD have been rwd. them going to RWD, even if they were to keep the somewhat weak V6 of the current GTs would make them a very popular car for the tuner market now. the scene is drifting towards well...drifting. something cheap (a well optioned GT can be had for 22), thats RWD with decent power and isnt a mustang would likely be a huge hit. If they can maintain the pricepoint the car is at now when they go to the 4th gens, and the V6 (or 8...) isnt overpriced, then expect to see a LOT of these little korean coupes around.

....... and if Challenger follows suit? :D

That's my point. A larger Challenger is more acceptable to me.

That's my point. A larger Challenger is more acceptable to me.

challengers were always bigger than the other pony cars were. i think they should build a bigger than mustang/camaro car. it would put it into the GTOs territory.

That's my point. A larger Challenger is more acceptable to me.


So. it's OK for Dodge to do exactly what you don't want GM to do... and you'd buy it over the Chevy even if it were the same basic thing??

So. it's OK for Dodge to do exactly what you don't want GM to do... and you'd buy it over the Chevy even if it were the same basic thing??

Yes.

:think:

I think what z284ever is getting at is that if Dodge does build the Challenger, they are going to build it however well they can build it, and that will probably entail the LX platform, as they don't have any other low buck platforms to build it on. If GM came out with a fat heavy Camaro, it would be unacceptable, as they have had a chance to do things right on this car, and they would have blundered it. At least that is what I can make of it.

If GM's pony car has made us wait all this time, and came out short of expectations, I wouldn't want to buy it either.

More power to you. I don't have a problem with people caring about where their vehicles are actually being built, I just think it was funny how that guy's list conveniently syncs up with just about every area GM builds most of their cars right now.

Well I'm not going to bash you but...

Those equinox's and their sisters are all made primarily in the asian area, i think 60% percent of the car comes from over seas (according to the sticker) both chinese tranny and engine, and I'm sure much of the accesories also. Perhaps just the chassis is built here?

but the cost of labor to the cost of a car is miniscule... now if GM didnt have to pay for health insurance, thats something different, but labor is cheap!
and it just hurts everyone when you as a customer would rather cut 1 man a job that pays 30$ an hour (60k$ job (america) a year) w/ medical benifits, to a 5$'s a day (1300 a year) no benifits, no job security(mexico). okay talk about globalization! And just because you want to save a couple of bucks... just because you'd like to cut maybe 500$ bucks off the total price of your car? Now sure America doesnt pay their auto workers the best in the world, but we are third best, behind Germany, and Japan. hell on a 60 month loan having the car built buy a minimum cost basis might save you 10$ a month

I think what z284ever is getting at is that if Dodge does build the Challenger, they are going to build it however well they can build it, and that will probably entail the LX platform, as they don't have any other low buck platforms to build it on. If GM came out with a fat heavy Camaro, it would be unacceptable, as they have had a chance to do things right on this car, and they would have blundered it. At least that is what I can make of it.

If GM's pony car has made us wait all this time, and came out short of expectations, I wouldn't want to buy it either.

Well sort of. We've waited a long time. And that's ok...I'm very patient...as long as I get what I want in the end. I kind of want Camaro to be right on though. So there's that...


But also, if we talk about the classic Challenger (1970-1974), it was a larger car than Camaro. The Chrysler E-bodies were based off of larger car architectures. That was part of their DNA. Camaro...on the other hand... was based off of a small car architecture.

If the new Camaro and new Challenger end up about the same size, the Challenger may be more palatable to me.

BTW think about this.....

What if the 1967 Camaro wasn't loosely based on the small car, 1968 X-car architecture....and instead was based on the 1968 Impala? Would any of us be here, in this forum, today?

Yes.


I don't mean this as a bash to you, but....

You will not like the new Camaro no matter what. You will find something to pass on it.

Just as the non-bench rear seat takes GTO off your list (if this takes GTO off your list... how can you even consider a Camaro??)... you'll find something. Even if it is OK on a competitors car, and then you'd go and buy that.

Let's not kid ourselves... when was the last time you bought a new Camaro? We all know how much you dislike the 4th Gen... so... I dunno. Seems like you wave the "I'm the ultimate Camaro fan" flag an awful lot... but really haven't liked them for a long time... and will find something...anything... to keep that up...

Again, I want to stress that I am not trying to bash you... just pointing out the way it honestly looks.

I don't mean this as a bash to you, but....

You will not like the new Camaro no matter what. You will find something to pass on it.

Just as the non-bench rear seat takes GTO off your list (if this takes GTO off your list... how can you even consider a Camaro??)... you'll find something. Even if it is OK on a competitors car, and then you'd go and buy that.

Let's not kid ourselves... when was the last time you bought a new Camaro? We all know how much you dislike the 4th Gen... so... I dunno. Seems like you wave the "I'm the ultimate Camaro fan" flag an awful lot... but really haven't liked them for a long time... and will find something...anything... to keep that up...

Again, I want to stress that I am not trying to bash you... just pointing out the way it honestly looks.


Bash away.............

Bash away.............


:blah:

That was a very Buickman-like answer...

Defelect all the points in the post. C'mon.

When WAS the last time you bought a new Camaro?

Why WOULD you even consider a Camaro if the GTO gets taken off your list because of no rear bench seat?

Why WOULD you spend your money on the same car if it came from Dodge but not Chevy?!

Hyundai is almost as bad as a KIA.

:blah:

That was a very Buickman-like answer...

Defelect all the points in the post. C'mon.

When WAS the last time you bought a new Camaro?

Why WOULD you even consider a Camaro if the GTO gets taken off your list because of no rear bench seat?

Why WOULD you spend your money on the same car if it came from Dodge but not Chevy?!

Do you actually read any posts before you cherry pick a word or two to take out of context? Doesn't look like it to me. I think if you would actually read a post...you wouldn't have to ask me the same questions over and over again...after I've given you my reasons for them.

No wonder Redzed used to f**k with your head...you could never produce any cogent argument for anything.

Maybe I'm just not in a good mood this morning and I'm being alittle hard on you, but believe, I'm trying to restrain myself.

Well I'm not going to bash you but...

Those equinox's and their sisters are all made primarily in the asian area, i think 60% percent of the car comes from over seas (according to the sticker) both chinese tranny and engine, and I'm sure much of the accesories also. Perhaps just the chassis is built here?

but the cost of labor to the cost of a car is miniscule... now if GM didnt have to pay for health insurance, thats something different, but labor is cheap!
and it just hurts everyone when you as a customer would rather cut 1 man a job that pays 30$ an hour (60k$ job (america) a year) w/ medical benifits, to a 5$'s a day (1300 a year) no benifits, no job security(mexico). okay talk about globalization! And just because you want to save a couple of bucks... just because you'd like to cut maybe 500$ bucks off the total price of your car? Now sure America doesnt pay their auto workers the best in the world, but we are third best, behind Germany, and Japan. hell on a 60 month loan having the car built buy a minimum cost basis might save you 10$ a month


I am aware that not all of GM's car are built in the US or Canada. Thats why I said most. My original point was not to nitpick where their cars are built, or the politics for doing so, just to make an observation on someone's post.
GM's business is their business. They may be shipping alot of their work overseas, but they can't pay anyone anything if they aren't a business anymore. At this point GM doesn't have the luxury of being choosy about where they want their work done, they just need to keep their cars competitve and cheap.

I am aware that not all of GM's car are built in the US or Canada. Thats why I said most. My original point was not to nitpick where their cars are built, or the politics for doing so, just to make an observation on someone's post.
GM's business is their business. They may be shipping alot of their work overseas, but they can't pay anyone anything if they aren't a business anymore. At this point GM doesn't have the luxury of being choosy about where they want their work done, they just need to keep their cars competitve and cheap.

unfortunatly yes I agree :cry:

Will you consider the Hyundai Pony car.


Right after i consider Mcdonalds a health food resturant. ;)

Right after i consider Mcdonalds a health food resturant. ;)

Well, they do have those salads now. ;)

Well, they do have those salads now. ;)

Premium chicken sandwhichs FTW!!!!111!

:thumb:

Premium chicken sandwhichs FTW!!!!111!

:thumb:

you mean chicken meal sandwhiches? that stuff they just throw the chicken in a blender and call it meat?

I guess its healthy :confused:

ofc its healthy!

it gives your arteries a healthy coat of grease, to keep everything flowing nice and smooth!

Kinda like motor oil :thumb:

ofc its healthy!

it gives your arteries a healthy coat of grease, to keep everything flowing nice and smooth!

Kinda like motor oil :thumb:

kinda, except when i change my oil i dont just dump the 5 quarts somewhere on top of the block... i dont grease the springs on my hood and doors with my new engine oil.

kinda, except when i change my oil i dont just dump the 5 quarts somewhere on top of the block... i dont grease the springs on my hood and doors with my new engine oil.


:think:

I need a nap now.

:think:

I need a nap now.

sorry i guess i wasnt feeling the sarcasm... soo answer is NOPE nobody here wants any mcdonalds or hyundai on the menu... speaking of which, lets start a new thread, what if McDonalds made a Pony car, would you consider that?

sorry i guess i wasnt feeling the sarcasm... soo answer is NOPE nobody here wants any mcdonalds or hyundai on the menu... speaking of which, lets start a new thread, what if McDonalds made a Pony car, would you consider that?

Only if it had a striking resemblance to Ronald McDonald's shoe.

sorry i guess i wasnt feeling the sarcasm... soo answer is NOPE nobody here wants any mcdonalds or hyundai on the menu... speaking of which, lets start a new thread, what if McDonalds made a Pony car, would you consider that?


Ofc i would....

and in the reflection of Mcdonalds history in the fast food industry.

The car would be super appealing to look at, Would perform super well!

Unfortunatly it would smell kinda odd, but good at the same time. It would have a constant exhaust leak into the Cabin of the car, it would have little effect if you drove it once a month, but accessive driving would lead to Lung replacement later in life, or even kinds of skin cancer do to the steering wheels greasy semi-toxic coating.

Later on people would sue mcdonalds due to car accident injurys, claiming Mcdonalds should have informed them if you get into an accident you could be seriously injured if you where standing on the roof, or refused to wear your seat belt in speeds of access of 130+ MPH.

The oddiest Suet would come from a 200lbs man, in his mid 40's. After a long car trip he decided to check the oil and claims the motor looked very inviting, so he grabbed hold of the exhaust manifolds, and even tho it was a searing pain he just couldnt let go! His claim is that it shouldnt be a common sense issue, Mcdonalds should have a special warning that grabbing the Exhaust manifolds after extended periods of drive time, can harn and or kill you.

The public will feal this was a common sense issue, but the man will be rewarded 1.1billion in the suit, triggering a bunch of followers to do the same. Leading to Mcdonalds ending the line of Pony cars, after the neon sign "This is hot" over the manifolds doesnt stop the lawsuits from coming in.

In the end the Mcdonalds Hemburgler was in production from 2007-2011. It was direct competition for the F5 and Mustang. Hyundais car was canceled after poor sales in the first 2 years of production.

Even tho the Mcdonalds Hemburgler had a shady past, it is still held in high regaurds by the pony car crowd, spawning such sites as www.MDHemburgler.com www.MDHemburglerPerformance.com www.MDHemburglerZ38.com and www.MDHemburglerwithcheese.com.

Throughout the MDH's lifespan it was rated 8/10 by most respected Automobile Media outlets. In comparison to the F5's 10/10 and the Mustangs 6/10.

With the disappearance of the MDH, the pony car scene now feals hallow, leaving a faithful following of the once legendary machine, the forums usually speak of its reappearance. Some insiders post on the forums who can neither completely confirm nor deny this, the most credible one goes by the name "GreenLettuce". In the end only time will tell what the future holds for the MDH, we can only help Mcdonalds will listen to the fans.

Here is an overveiw in respect to the MDH and its closiest rival the 09 Camaro SS'
Engine Trans Aspiration 1/4 Price

MDH 389 CID V11 5speed Manual N/A SS: 12.6 Base V11: 33,000 | Base W/Cheese: 36,000 | Supersized: 45,000

Camaro SS 427 LS2 6 Speed Manual N/A 12.00 As Tested: 36,300.

Only time will tell what is in store for the MDH, but we can only hope Mcdonalds pending financial situation will hold out for a rebirth of an american legend.

FZMan signing off.

:lol: i need a nap after reading that.

:lol: i need a nap after reading that.


My creative juices where flowing..

Im talented :thumb:

I don't mean this as a bash to you, but....

You will not like the new Camaro no matter what. You will find something to pass on it.

Just as the non-bench rear seat takes GTO off your list (if this takes GTO off your list... how can you even consider a Camaro??)... you'll find something. Even if it is OK on a competitors car, and then you'd go and buy that.

Let's not kid ourselves... when was the last time you bought a new Camaro? We all know how much you dislike the 4th Gen... so... I dunno. Seems like you wave the "I'm the ultimate Camaro fan" flag an awful lot... but really haven't liked them for a long time... and will find something...anything... to keep that up...

Again, I want to stress that I am not trying to bash you... just pointing out the way it honestly looks. It seems like what I've been saying all along! ;) GM is under a microscope, ppl question everything they do. Even ppl who claim to be GM fans, nit-pick everything about them. And I'm not just pickin' on this guy, I know a few myself, who have been infected by this BIAS that's been out there, for years. From the way they run the business, to the product, to everything in between! None of the other manufacturers, are in this possition. It was started by nader, and it's been picked up by every single form of media out there. It's become like second nature, to beat up on GM, for any reason possible. I'm not saying they are perfect. But anyone who believes the other manufacturers, have benefitted solely because GM sucks, and the others are superior, is mistaken! They do not. And the competition gets a free ride. If hondia makes a V8 RWD car, I'm sure they will benefit from this, just as any of the other transplants have been doing. Contrary to popular belief, "What's good for the goose, :rolleyes: is NOT good for the gander"! I wish ppl would just wake up to what's going on here! :alert:

It seems like what I've been saying all along! ;) GM is under a microscope, ppl question everything they do. Even ppl who claim to be GM fans, nit-pick everything about them. And I'm not just pickin' on this guy, I know a few myself, who have been infected by this BIAS that's been out there, for years. From the way they run the business, to the product, to everything in between! None of the other manufacturers, are in this possition. It was started by nader, and it's been picked up by every single form of media out there. It's become like second nature, to beat up on GM, for any reason possible. I'm not saying they are perfect. But anyone who believes the other manufacturers, have benefitted solely because GM sucks, and the others are superior, is mistaken! They do not. And the competition gets a free ride. If hondia makes a V8 RWD car, I'm sure they will benefit from this, just as any of the other transplants have been doing. Contrary to popular belief, "What's good for the goose, :rolleyes: is NOT good for the gander"! I wish ppl would just wake up to what's going on here! :alert:

:no:

Only if it had a striking resemblance to Ronald McDonald's shoe.

Your clever ;)

Lets work together to bring the MDH to life!

Do you actually read any posts before you cherry pick a word or two to take out of context? Doesn't look like it to me. I think if you would actually read a post...you wouldn't have to ask me the same questions over and over again...after I've given you my reasons for them.

No wonder Redzed used to f**k with your head...you could never produce any cogent argument for anything.

Maybe I'm just not in a good mood this morning and I'm being alittle hard on you, but believe, I'm trying to restrain myself.


:lol:

Ya, I read your entire reply... "Bash away..." :rolleyes:

You have a very specific idea of what you want in a car... yet, it's OK on one, but not the other.

You will not be happy with whatever GM makes. Face it.

Still don't want to answer the questions, right? That's because you can't give a good reason.... you are all over the board on a lot of things... time to back up some of your random, aimless bitching.

The self-proclaimed greatest Camaro fan in the world hasn't actually purchased a new one in well over a decade (if at all!).

It's perfectly obvious the new Camaro won't please everyone...hell as "great" as the '05 Mustang is, it doesn't please every Mustang enthusiast...the only thing GM can do is build a Camaro that the greatest number of people possible like, while accomodating the Camaro enthusiast as best as possible. You can't roll everything into a single car. Chevy has to, and will, worry about pleasing a lot of people, not just "Z284ever".

Sorry Charlie. :D

It's perfectly obvious the new Camaro won't please everyone...hell as "great" as the '05 Mustang is, it doesn't please every Mustang enthusiast...the only thing GM can do is build a Camaro that the greatest number of people possible like, while accomodating the Camaro enthusiast as best as possible. You can't roll everything into a single car. Chevy has to, and will, worry about pleasing a lot of people, not just "Z284ever".

Sorry Charlie. :D

if its a 400HP base motor bolted to a M6, with decent interior, slick exterior ques 2 doors and T-tops i think they got the market locked :metal:

You can't please all the people, all the time...

:lol:

Ya, I read your entire reply... "Bash away..." :rolleyes:

You have a very specific idea of what you want in a car... yet, it's OK on one, but not the other.

You will not be happy with whatever GM makes. Face it.

Still don't want to answer the questions, right? That's because you can't give a good reason.... you are all over the board on a lot of things... time to back up some of your random, aimless bitching.

The self-proclaimed greatest Camaro fan in the world hasn't actually purchased a new one in well over a decade (if at all!).

What is it that you want to know? I have made it a point to state when the last new Camaro I purchased was. Special ordered in April 1989. Took delivery in June 1989. You're point being? What again? Do you have one?

Because I think the current GTO should have a third seatbelt in the rear seat, I won't be happy with any new Camaro....is that what you're saying? Maybe you can run that by me again.
You do realise Camaro is different that GTO, right? Or maybe you don't?

Challenger, I already explained in a previous post. But I'm sure you'll ask me again.

As far as aimless bitching goes, you are truly the bitchmaster....you could give me lessons.

It's perfectly obvious the new Camaro won't please everyone...hell as "great" as the '05 Mustang is, it doesn't please every Mustang enthusiast...the only thing GM can do is build a Camaro that the greatest number of people possible like, while accomodating the Camaro enthusiast as best as possible. You can't roll everything into a single car. Chevy has to, and will, worry about pleasing a lot of people, not just "Z284ever".

Sorry Charlie. :D

Actually, my impressions are that many aspects of the car are coming along nicely.

I only have one main concern right now, and you know what it is.

Actually, my impressions are that many aspects of the car are coming along nicely.

I only have one main concern right now, and you know what it is.

we all do :p

Actually, my impressions are that many aspects of the car are coming along nicely.

I only have one main concern right now, and you know what it is.

didn't Red say it wasn't an issue...

I wouldn't worry about it.

didn't Red say it wasn't an issue...

I wouldn't worry about it.

I will admit, the poor guy is doing his best to make me feel better. ;)

I will admit, the poor guy is doing his best to make me feel better. ;)


:bow:

What is it that you want to know? I have made it a point to state when the last new Camaro I purchased was. Special ordered in April 1989. Took delivery in June 1989. You're point being? What again? Do you have one?


Yup. the point is, the self-proclaimed biggest Camaro fan in the world hasn't bought one in over 15 YEARS. Your most documented complaint about the 4th Gen? "It's too big"... even though the 3rd Gen is near identical in size (waiting for the whole "a few inches is a ton of size" arguement :blah: )


Because I think the current GTO should have a third seatbelt in the rear seat, I won't be happy with any new Camaro....is that what you're saying? Maybe you can run that by me again.
You do realise Camaro is different that GTO, right? Or maybe you don't?

Yup, because unless you are truley expecting the Camaro to have a rear bench seat... the new Camaro should automatically be checked off your shopping list because it's not going to have one either.... (oh, I know... Camaro isn't GTO and GTO isn't Camaro... but if not having a rear bench seat is a real reason for you not buy a GTO, then it's a real reason not to buy any car.)



Challenger, I already explained in a previous post. But I'm sure you'll ask me again.

Summary of arguement:"I think the Challenger is allowed to be bigger, but Camaro is not... even though I'd actually be driving whatever car I buy, it's OK for one ponycar to be everything I don't want in a Camaro, and I'd buy it regardless , but if one thing I want in a Camaro is even off buy an inch (re: length and/or weight.) I won't buy it." Ya........... that's fair. :confused:


As far as aimless bitching goes, you are truly the bitchmaster....you could give me lessons.

OK, I'll send you my pamphlet and rates... though I don't know that I really "bitch" about a whole lot... The retro thing, but as I've said a few times... I've given in on it, and even though it's not the way I want the car to go, I can understand why it might do so right now...

Your guys are pulling the thread away from my MDH idea...

Burn!

Yup, because unless you are truley expecting the Camaro to have a rear bench seat... the new Camaro should automatically be checked off your shopping list because it's not going to have one either.... (oh, I know... Camaro isn't GTO and GTO isn't Camaro... but if not having a rear bench seat is a real reason for you not buy a GTO, then it's a real reason not to buy any car.)






:confused:

If you also have a car with a bench seat that means you don't want a Camaro as another car?
Getting back to Hyundai, I would take a look at it.

Yup. the point is, the self-proclaimed biggest Camaro fan in the world hasn't bought one in over 15 YEARS. Your most documented complaint about the 4th Gen? "It's too big"... even though the 3rd Gen is near identical in size (waiting for the whole "a few inches is a ton of size" arguement :blah: )



Yup, because unless you are truley expecting the Camaro to have a rear bench seat... the new Camaro should automatically be checked off your shopping list because it's not going to have one either.... (oh, I know... Camaro isn't GTO and GTO isn't Camaro... but if not having a rear bench seat is a real reason for you not buy a GTO, then it's a real reason not to buy any car.)




Summary of arguement:"I think the Challenger is allowed to be bigger, but Camaro is not... even though I'd actually be driving whatever car I buy, it's OK for one ponycar to be everything I don't want in a Camaro, and I'd buy it regardless , but if one thing I want in a Camaro is even off buy an inch (re: length and/or weight.) I won't buy it." Ya........... that's fair. :confused:



though I don't know that I really "bitch" about a whole lot
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Surprise, surprise.. another "Bash away.." type reply that does nothing and has zero content. :blah:


Maybe our resident "Camaro King" should get in line for his Hyundai?

Surprise, surprise.. another "Bash away.." type reply that does nothing and has zero content. :blah:




Maybe our resident "Camaro King" should get in line for his Hyundai?

Good one! :thumb:

Surprise, surprise.. another "Bash away.." type reply that does nothing and has zero content. :blah:


Maybe our resident "Camaro King" should get in line for his Hyundai?

You guys live relatively close to one another, i say you kick the **** out of one another then drink some beers and become friends again :D

and stop +1 posting :metal: :p

and stop +1 posting :metal: :p

This coming from our new post whore?

Move the lounge material to where it belongs... the 5th gen forum.

:(

You can't please all the people, all the time...
That my friend, is an understatement of epic proportions! ;)

I have absolutely no problem with buying a Hyundai pony car. I think their current tiburon is one of the hottest looking cars on the road today. If the new one can be as good, with 300 - 350 hp in a v8, and priced like a hyundai, I would definitely consider it.

I voted no. But if someone else made a car that looked exactly like the current Tiburon, but was in RWD then it would be really cool.