And the scalping continues....

If all goes well, a fellow board member will be making the long journey to MA to order a car from me this weekend. He informed me via PM that dealers in his area are asking a FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR MARKUP for a Solstice :mad:

That makes a $25,000 Solstice $30k, and puts a $7,000 profit in the dealer's pocket if someone is dumb enough to buy it. Sure, there is the law of supply and demand, but this is ridiculous. Instead of welcoming new customers into the Pontiac fold (especially the crucial import intenders), lets scalp the crap out of them :rolleyes:

So, how much will the rebate be on Solstices next summer, when GM has a huge inventory of the damn things because dealers were scalping them? $3k? $4k? What a way to blunt the intro of a great new car, a la 2004 GTO. And I dare say Pontiac wants and NEEDS this car to make a significantly larger splash than the GTO. If this is representative of what Pontiac dealers will do (I'd bet $2k will be common), Pontiac is in for a real fun intro...

:death:

:(

I think we all knew it would happen.

The amazing thing is.......... you didn't really hear much about dealer markup on the new Mustang ....

Sadly, things will probably never change.

Believe it or not, my sister-in-law stopped by a Pontiac dealer to look at a new Montana SV6 when they first were coming out... the dealer actually told her something to the effect that "These are the new SUV minivans that everyone wants... you can't even think about getting one for less than $3000 over sticker!" :shame: :dead:

The saddest thing of all is that I bet most of these people aren't paying this extra money because they think if they don't they'll never get one. They aren't paying the extra money because they think it's worth it. They're paying it because they want to be the first to own an initially rare car.

Then when the streets flood with them not only will they suffer NORMAL depreciation, but the ENTIRE 5 grand extra that they paid above sticker price goes down the drain. 5k extra may not seem like a completely obsurd amount when buying a 25k dollar car because it's 'just' 20% more. But when you consider that if you kept that car for a year or two you've effectively doubled or almost doubled your loss in depreciation? That's NUTS. That's like paying double the lease payments on a 2 years lease just to get a car a few months ahead of your neighbors.

The one Mustang I went to look at had a $5000 "Market Adjustment" on it. It was a GT of course, but a very stripped one, w/ cloth interior, no aluminum, and an automatic too!

I know there are probably lots of laws in place, but I find it hard to believe that there is NOTHING GM can do to stop it.

They should allow dealers to sell Solstices for over MSRP, but if they do, they lose their allocation for the rest of the year.

If I had a saturn dealership, I'd be advertising Sky's with the fixed MSRP like there's no tomorrow.

If all goes well, a fellow board member will be making the long journey to MA to order a car from me this weekend. He informed me via PM that dealers in his area are asking a FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR MARKUP for a Solstice :mad:

That makes a $25,000 Solstice $30k, and puts a $7,000 profit in the dealer's pocket if someone is dumb enough to buy it. Sure, there is the law of supply and demand, but this is ridiculous. Instead of welcoming new customers into the Pontiac fold (especially the crucial import intenders), lets scalp the crap out of them :rolleyes:

So, how much will the rebate be on Solstices next summer, when GM has a huge inventory of the damn things because dealers were scalping them? $3k? $4k? What a way to blunt the intro of a great new car, a la 2004 GTO. And I dare say Pontiac wants and NEEDS this car to make a significantly larger splash than the GTO. If this is representative of what Pontiac dealers will do (I'd bet $2k will be common), Pontiac is in for a real fun intro...

:death:

Jason your at least an honest Car salesmen and I respect that. If I ever come Pontiac shopping I'll give you a call. (Maybe 1st Indiana customer, heh).

That is ridiculous I agree. What's next a 5K markup on a SS Camaro ~40k. Might as well get a vette. I think GM needs to step in and make some "Rules".

i went to look at a new Mustang GT with my girlfriend a few months back when they first hit the lots. we priced one out on FORD'S website for around $28,000 or so. when we got to the dealer, we played dumb and the lowest price he gave us was $33,000! when i showed him the price we got online, he said there wasn't a dealership in america that would let them go that cheap. just goes to show how alot of delaers all play follow the leader on hot cars.

hey Jason, if i'm ever in the market for a Pontiac, i'm definetley coming to see you!!!

:(

I think we all knew it would happen.

The amazing thing is.......... you didn't really hear much about dealer markup on the new Mustang ....

Sadly, things will probably never change.

Believe it or not, my sister-in-law stopped by a Pontiac dealer to look at a new Montana SV6 when they first were coming out... the dealer actually told her something to the effect that "These are the new SUV minivans that everyone wants... you can't even think about getting one for less than $3000 over sticker!" :shame: :dead:

ohh there was some scalping on the Mustangs, some up 8-10k$, but at this forum we mostly think their idiots buying them anyway... but also the 350z's were also marked up considerably, the PT Cruiser saw price tags above 35k$ and people were still excited.

Dont worry when the camaro comes back out, everyone come to me :D I wont pull anything over on you

hey Tim. is there anyway to ship me a camaro if i buy it from you :D

hey Tim. is there anyway to ship me a camaro if i buy it from you :D

I'm sure we could work something out. :D

put me down for a black, black interior "stripper" Z28 with an m/t ;) :D

put me down for a black, black interior "stripper" Z28 with an m/t ;) :D

can do sir...

when can i expect it to be shipped ;)

Buy a Sky when they come out...they won't have markups and look better IMO.

I am surpised the dealer gets people approved for that much over sticker....

Personally, I regard these stories of markups as positive news for GM. If the people are that stupid to pay the premium... err, that's another story! :D

That doesn't help the Solstice though...

As I've said before...when we sold 34 Firebirds in 2002, 10 were Firehawks. My sales manager (he's dealer principal as well) considered putting a "modest" $1,000 increase over MSRP on the first 2 we got. I remember having WW3 with him in the showroom, and told him if he did I wouldn't order any additional Firehawks, and that he could fire my a** if he didn't like it. He didn't have a clue how to order a Firehawk, so he caved :D We worked out a simple plan...Hawks went for MSRP, V8 Firebirds went for $1,000-1,200 over invoice (which still allowed for a $1k discount), and V6s were 600 over. They sold like crazy, and we have already gotten significant repeat business from those very customers. I just sold a GXP to our first '02 Firehawk customer...

Long story short, if you try and screw someone, they won't come back. I know Mustangs got yanked up for awhile, but think about it...those were mostly die-hard Mustang buyers. A lot of the people on the Solstice have probably NEVER considered a Pontiac. They see this crap, they'll say "typical Domestic Car BS," and go buy another Toyota :rolleyes:

No, you are correct but I prefer that news to GM not meeting sales forecasts... At least it is a positive trend where it's been all doom and gloom (mainly in the media) up until now. :alert:

Yeah, but the GTO suffered the same markup fate, and got panned by the press partially because they didn't sell!!! So it still ended up being bad news, and made it look like the car sucked.

That doesn't help the Solstice though...

...Long story short, if you try and screw someone, they won't come back. A lot of the people on the Solstice have probably NEVER considered a Pontiac. They see this crap, they'll say "typical Domestic Car BS," and go buy another Toyota :rolleyes:


What I'd like to know is what dealers didn't mark up the GTO (and Solstice)? That's the dealer I'll do business with after I stop buy the mark-up dealer just to let them know. ;)

Is it against forum rules to create a list of no mark-up dealers?

Man, I hope GM does something about this before you know what comes out... :(

What I'd like to know is what dealers didn't mark up the GTO (and Solstice)? That's the dealer I'll do business with after I stop buy the mark-up dealer just to let them know. ;)

Is it against forum rules to create a list of no mark-up dealers?

Well, to be honest...we had 4, and none were marked up. As a matter of fact, the last 2 we had came in so late in the year, they really were lame ducks because the '05s had been shown and everyone knew they'd make 400hp. In all honesty, the last one we had was my favorite...the limited edition Pulse Red color, in a 6 speed. We sold it for like $24k...or whatever invoice minus the $5k rebate ended up being. I almost thought about buying it, but wasn't willing to have 2 RWD cars in New England. And there was no way in hell I was selling the Z to buy a FWD car!

Long story short, if you try and screw someone, they won't come back. I know Mustangs got yanked up for awhile, but think about it...those were mostly die-hard Mustang buyers. A lot of the people on the Solstice have probably NEVER considered a Pontiac. They see this crap, they'll say "typical Domestic Car BS," and go buy another Toyota.

To where they can pay 6-10k over MSRP for a USED Prius.

Great. Just what they need to dethrone the miata :rolleyes:.

Yeah, but the GTO suffered the same markup fate, and got panned by the press partially because they didn't sell!!! So it still ended up being bad news, and made it look like the car sucked.

I thought the GTOs lack of initial success was attributed to the 'boring' and subdued styling... GM had to sell them at substantially below sticker price just to clear them off the lots.

I can't say I agree with your negativity totally although I agree with your sentiments. It sucks! :)

Great. Just what they need to dethrone the miata :rolleyes:.

Thats a shame too about the markups because I think the Solstice has a chance to really lay into the Miata saleswise. The Solstice IMO is just flat better and more sporty looking than the new Miata. In fact, I think they made the Miata more boring looking than the last gen.

Just because this can't be said enough times... :thumb:



Long story short, if you try and screw someone, they won't come back.



Long story short, if you try and screw someone, they won't come back.



Long story short, if you try and screw someone, they won't come back.



Long story short, if you try and screw someone, they won't come back.



Long story short, if you try and screw someone, they won't come back.

Thats a shame too about the markups because I think the Solstice has a chance to really lay into the Miata saleswise. The Solstice IMO is just flat better and more sporty looking than the new Miata. In fact, I think they made the Miata more boring looking than the last gen.

I would bet that the stock Miata handles and accelerates better than the stock Solstice. Miata weighs alot less and makes just as much power.

On styling however, I do agree that the Solstice really has potential to take it to the Miata, if both cars can be had for the same price. Fat chance of that happening, at least in the first year.

I thought the GTOs lack of initial success was attributed to the 'boring' and subdued styling... GM had to sell them at substantially below sticker price just to clear them off the lots.

I can't say I agree with your negativity totally although I agree with your sentiments. It sucks! :)

Our own resident guionm would have bought a GTO in '04 if he wasn't a screwing attempt for every Pontiac dealer in his area. I believe Z284Ever had the same experience.

Does the "boring" styling help? No. But neither did marking them $3-5k over sticker either!!! The cars were raved about in the press, then when the consumers went to the dealer, they got their a** handed to them in a paper bag and shown the door. Now you know why I don't work at a dealership full time anymore...even the ethical ones are shady. I understand its their business to run...and its also GM's they can run into the ground with tactics like that. I'm sure Buickman would disagree :rolleyes:

Darth,
Thanks :D

As for the Prius, yes, I know some imports get scalped. But it doesn't seem they get scalped to the degree a lot of GM dealers try with their "gotta have it" new products. GM needs every sale it can get...but there's one too many a**clowns trying to make an extra buck. And in the end, the new "gotta have it" product is tainted with a slow initial turnout...

Sorry for the rant, but I watched the '04 GTO burn in hell. I don't want to see the Solstice do it too...the car is too damn important. This same source told me GTP G6s are being sold for full sticker because they "are limited production, performance specials." Say what???? Its a goddamned G6, and its NOT limited production...I have more GTPs than base models right now...

I'll step off my soapbox now. I really, really fear the day I have to buy a car from someone besides, well, myself. I won't be at the dealership a whole lot longer I hope, because the 55 hours a week is wearing thin after almost 2 years of it. Here's to hoping my GP lasts a long, long time...

I would bet that the stock Miata handles and accelerates better than the stock Solstice. Miata weighs alot less and makes just as much power.


It doesn't weigh a lot less...I don't think it hardly weighs ANY less. And based on GM's testing versus Road & Track's Miata testing, I'd say the Solstice is a tick FASTER.

Jason, if the time comes when I am in the market for a new GM product, I will be getting in touch with you. Buying a plane ticket to fly out to you and drive a new car back, would be well worth it to know I am not going to get screwed on a deal.

If there were only more than about 5 car salesmen like yourself, everything auto related would be better off.

LOL, well thanks. I admit I've taken some deals (believe it or not, 9 times out of 10 I negotiate all my own sales...originally they were training me to be sales manager before I left) that were too skinny. But hey, EVERY time you move product, you make money. Too many dealers sit on product too long, whine about their floorplan interest charges, and then it seems like they wait for GM to make the cars cheaper so that they can then blow them out the door. To me, you take solid deals, and you take skinny deals. And if you make enough people happy, they come back for a car for their son/daughter/mother, whoever. Now that I'm coming up on my 5th year there, I get a lot of repeat business...people who are willing to wait for me to come in on Saturday. I've even had luck selling used, non-GM cars to customers of mine that don't have a product we sell. Want a 350Z? Ok, cool...the auction is next week, and I'll have our buyer grab you a 1-2 year old one. Save $8-9k. I always try to move a new unit, but when you can't, you do what you can to keep the customer in the fold.

And that's why I say, while a lot of you guys don't see the point to the Torrent, the Torrent is going to do wonders for Pontiac. It will keep buyers from defecting elsewhere. I say can the SV6...we ordered 5 this year, and still have ALL FIVE :mad: Employee Pricing can't even sell these damn things!!!!!!!! Get rid of the SV6 and the Vibe, and give me a decent, sporty small car like we're getting with the re-skinned Cobalt next year. I can deal with Pontiac being downsized to 4-5 offerings...but they need to be competent offerings.

If I had a Cobalt, a G6, a Solstice, a re-skinned GP and a Torrent, I'd have 5 competent market offerings and Pontiac would be in solid shape.

No GTO?

It doesn't weigh a lot less...I don't think it hardly weighs ANY less. And based on GM's testing versus Road & Track's Miata testing, I'd say the Solstice is a tick FASTER.

The new MX-5 is what, 22lbs heavier than the old one? That still brings it under comfortably under 2500lbs. Last I read Solstice/Sky would be pushing about 2850. There is a substantial difference there. The new MX-5 undercuts its Solstice/Sky competitors weight by almost 400lbs and makes the same hp. I cannot honestly see the Sky/Solstice performing better stock for stock. I don't know about this cross comparison testing between GM and Road & Track, but I would be really suprised in a direct head to head comparison if the Miata did not come out faster.

The new MX-5 is what, 22lbs heavier than the old one? That still brings it under comfortably under 2500lbs. Last I read Solstice/Sky would be pushing about 2850. There is a substantial difference there. The new MX-5 undercuts its Solstice/Sky competitors weight by almost 400lbs and makes the same hp. I cannot honestly see the Sky/Solstice performing better stock for stock. I don't know about this cross comparison testing between GM and Road & Track, but I would be really suprised in a direct head to head comparison if the Miata did not come out faster.

Curb weight on Mazdausa.com for the new Miata is from 2441 for the base with a stick up to 2527 for the touring with an auto. HP is 170 @ 6500 RPM for the stick and 166 for the auto. TQ is 140 @ 5000 rpm.

Solstice weighs 2860 and has 177 hp @ 6600 rpms and 166 tq @ 4800 rpms.


So Solstice is heavier, appears to make more torque down low, and has more torque. It will basically turn out to be a driver's race IMO.

Wow...I guess I stand corrected. My apologies. I knew Solstice was around 2,800, but for some reason I thought the Miata weighed in around that too...guess I was wrong. Regardless, Solstice has more engine, and I think should have no problem keeping up. And being able to pull .9g on a skidpad should help it in the corners, too!

CLEAN,

The GTO has been such a non-event at the dealer level, I'd really prefer a performance-oriented SUV from a sales and profitability standpoint. People on here argue against Pontiac having an SUV, but I ask you...in an era where even PORSCHE conciously chooses to have an SUV when it doesn't even have a 4 door car, how does it hurt Pontiac? Give the Torrent what it deserves (240hp 3.9 and 18s), and I think it would be an even greater asset to Pontiac than a halo car like a GTO.

I know its blasphemy to say that, but think about it. Pontiac is in a crisis right now. Which car will help it more...a cheap-to-make SUV, or an 18,000 unit halo car sent from Australia? Don't get me wrong, I really, REALLY love the GTO. But if GM really wants to pare down model offerings, to me, the Vibe, the SV6 and yes, even the GTO aren't so crucial to Pontiac's future as a competitive GP (hell, go back to making a 2 door GP again!) and a Torrent.

In an ideal world, we'd have a GTO too. But if Pontiac is truly limited to 5 models at best, as a dealer and a realist, I stand by my product choices. As an idealist and an enthusiast, I wouldn't want Pontiac to NOT have a GTO. Time will tell how much Pontiac's model offerings will be cannibalized in the name of "restructuring."

Solstice weighs 2860 and has 177 hp @ 6600 rpms and 166 tq @ 4800 rpms.

And I'd assume these are the good old fashioned GM HP's & TQ's? ;)

Curb weight on Mazdausa.com for the new Miata is from 2441 for the base with a stick up to 2527 for the touring with an auto. HP is 170 @ 6500 RPM for the stick and 166 for the auto. TQ is 140 @ 5000 rpm.

Solstice weighs 2860 and has 177 hp @ 6600 rpms and 166 tq @ 4800 rpms.


So Solstice is heavier, appears to make more torque down low, and has more torque. It will basically turn out to be a driver's race IMO.

I guess we shall see, but as much as I am probably going to be hated for saying this, I think the new Miata should outperform the Solstice on just about every front. How many enthusiasts will compare an MX-5 autos to the Solstice, or let alone anything for that matter. With a 400lb weight difference, 7 hp more isn't going to cut it. The Solstice may have a more torque down low, but who races outside of the engines powerband?

My point for all of this. GM can't put out those turbo motors for these cars soon enough.

I guess we shall see, but as much as I am probably going to be hated for saying this, I think the new Miata should outperform the Solstice on just about every front.
it will kill it.

it will kill it.

I just don't want these cars to be another Fiero fiasco. The Fiero was a great looking car for its time, but for most of its life it just couldn't compete with its competition for raw performance. By the time they released the Formula model, and the car was actually getting good, they killed it. I just don't really want the same crap to happen.
These Kappa twins weigh in at s2000 weight, but make Miata hp. Thats why I don't understand the point of putting an ls2 in one of these cars. By the time it is said and done, the kappa will probably weigh in pretty close to a Corvette anyway, with a poorer weight distribution.

I just don't want these cars to be another Fiero fiasco. The Fiero was a great looking car for its time, but for most of its life it just couldn't compete with its competition for raw performance. By the time they released the Formula model, and the car was actually getting good, they killed it. I just don't really want the same crap to happen.
These Kappa twins weigh in at s2000 weight, but make Miata hp. Thats why I don't understand the point of putting an ls2 in one of these cars. By the time it is said and done, the kappa will probably weigh in pretty close to a Corvette anyway, with a poorer weight distribution.well i sat in a solstice the other day and the interioris well......not good, the materials used look really cheap(a cobalt has a nicer interior).

GM could fight back. Any dealer caught selling them for over sticker will get no more cars for three months. GM doesnt have to sell private dealers anything if they dont want.

I guess we shall see, but as much as I am probably going to be hated for saying this, I think the new Miata should outperform the Solstice on just about every front. How many enthusiasts will compare an MX-5 autos to the Solstice, or let alone anything for that matter. With a 400lb weight difference, 7 hp more isn't going to cut it. The Solstice may have a more torque down low, but who races outside of the engines powerband?

My point for all of this. GM can't put out those turbo motors for these cars soon enough.

Yes, but it appears that the the Solstice/SKy platform is ment to handle a much heftyer motor than the MX-5 I dont think you will see 250-280 HP MX-5s but you should see the GM twins with that kinda power when the turbo model arrives.

Yes, but it appears that the the Solstice/SKy platform is ment to handle a much heftyer motor than the MX-5 I dont think you will see 250-280 HP MX-5s but you should see the GM twins with that kinda power when the turbo model arrives.

Well, I hope you are right, because I don't like what I am seeing in the base models.

Damn, totally missed this thread. I'm the mystery guy that Jason was referring to, and I am just amazed that these dealers sell any cars at all! In addition to marking up the Solstice 5K, let me just describe the crap I went through with a couple of Pontiac dealers I visited the other day:

Dealer 1: I call beforehand, and they tell me they have a 6-speed GTP coupe in stock. This is a huge Pont/Buick/GMC dealer. I come into the showroom, there is no receptionist, no salesman in sight. I had to wait 5 minutes, and then flagged down a tech who was coming in to make an announcement. During this time a couple walked in, waited a bit, and left all pissed off. When a salesman showed up he tells me they have no 6-speed, and that the GTP doesn't come in manual. When I show him the Edmunds printout, he tells me they are wrong!:rolleyes: He acts like a complete a**hole to me the whole time, and I just leave.

Dealer 2: This was a smaller Pontiac only store. I come in, everybody's nice and friendly and a salesman approaches me immediately. He tells me they have no 6-speed, but offers to order one for me if I'd like. We built and priced the car and then went for a drive in an auto GTP coupe they had. The guy unfortunately knew nothing about the car, he quoted me low 30's city/low 40's highway MPG.:o I asked him if this was due to the DOD and he looked at me all wide eyed and confused. When we got back to the dealer, I go talk to his manager about price. This 45+ year old guy insists on calling me "dog" and "bro" and wants a pound instead of a handshake, which was very strange to say the least. The guy also refuses to budge off MSRP at all saying it's "limited, high performance", at that point I thank him for his time and leave.

The overall experience at these dealers left me very dissapointed, and there is no way I am coming back to either one. If it wasn't for Jason, I wouldn't even consider a Pontiac anymore.

Yeah, a GTP is a limited production car...I'm staring at 2 sedans and a coupe as I write this. I have 2 more on the truck. Real limited :rolleyes: Maybe I'll end up buying a Saturn someday because I absolutely despise every other dealer I visit...

Sounds like our Pontiac dealer too. :shrug: They had a few '04 GTOs at first and they were all nearly $40k. They sat there for months and now I haven't seen a GTO there in a LONG time. The last time I went there they were trying to sell an '02 Trans Am with over 30,000 miles for $29,000. :no: Our local Chevy dealership doesn't seem to be nearly as bad.

Speaking of...a local Chevy dealer has a 35k mile, t-top '02 V6 Camaro for $18,995 :rolleyes: I told him I could get a brand new Mustang for that, and the salesman said "oh, but this is a 25th anniversary edition!!" I said "see the orange stripes on that car over there? That's a 30th, and its a '97. So did they start counting backwards from '97 to 2002?" I hate being an a**, but sometimes its just too fun...especially when they ask $19k on a V6. I didn't even get started on the fact that this car is NOT a 35th, because he'd only argue the dash plaque means it is. I already had one of those arguments last week with a guy trying to sell me a "25th anniversary" RS...again, because of a stupid DASH PLAQUE.

We've been thinking about getting a Camaro for my fiance, so I talked him down to $15k in the parking lot, walked away and did a NADA on it...average retail is $13,600!!!!!!! What an a**clown. I'm thinking about going back and if she likes it, offering him $12,500. That would be the largest markdown I ever saw :rolleyes:

And Red, if you're reading this...if by some magic power a 5th gen IS available in '07, please withhold the desire to put "40th anniversary edition" on the dash of ALL MODELS. Because when I go to buy them used someday, too many wingnuts think they're really on to something and it costs me $$ :D

Speaking of...a local Chevy dealer has a 35k mile, t-top '02 V6 Camaro for $18,995 :rolleyes: I told him I could get a brand new Mustang for that, and the salesman said "oh, but this is a 25th anniversary edition!!" I said "see the orange stripes on that car over there? That's a 30th, and its a '97. So did they start counting backwards from '97 to 2002?" I hate being an a**, but sometimes its just too fun...especially when they ask $19k on a V6. I didn't even get started on the fact that this car is NOT a 35th, because he'd only argue the dash plaque means it is. I already had one of those arguments last week with a guy trying to sell me a "25th anniversary" RS...again, because of a stupid DASH PLAQUE.

We've been thinking about getting a Camaro for my fiance, so I talked him down to $15k in the parking lot, walked away and did a NADA on it...average retail is $13,600!!!!!!! What an a**clown. I'm thinking about going back and if she likes it, offering him $12,500. That would be the largest markdown I ever saw :rolleyes:

And Red, if you're reading this...if by some magic power a 5th gen IS available in '07, please withhold the desire to put "40th anniversary edition" on the dash of ALL MODELS. Because when I go to buy them used someday, too many wingnuts think they're really on to something and it costs me $$ :D

OMG...

I just bought that V6 the other night... Guy told me i was getting a one of a kind 26th anniversery Camaro, Which will probally reach 110,000 in value by the time im 40 :(

I wish i would have known that $10,000 car wasnt worth $19,000 :no:

Never would have suspected dealerships to be dishonest, my whole veiw of the world is forever changed.

Guess im gonna go grab my aviator glass's and head out to the strip now, and try to impress some girls with my limited production dream machine.

:thumb:

OMG...

I just bought that V6 the other night... Guy told me i was getting a one of a kind 26th anniversery Camaro, Which will probally reach 110,000 in value by the time im 40 :(

I wish i would have known that $10,000 car wasnt worth $19,000 :no:

Never would have suspected dealerships to be dishonest, my whole veiw of the world is forever changed.

Guess im gonna go grab my aviator glass's and head out to the strip now, and try to impress some girls with my limited production dream machine.

:thumb:

well all 02's are badged as 35th anaversry BUT the 35th anaversry versions are... well lets say fully loaded and v8s...

well all 02's are badged as 35th anaversry BUT the 35th anaversry versions are... well lets say fully loaded and v8s...


Grab your aviator glass's and lets take this bad machine out and get some ladys!

Ill be at your house in about 10 mins!

Bitchin camaro!

...Dont worry when the camaro comes back out, everyone come to me :D I wont pull anything over on you

Count on it.

I'm in California too. ;)