Eclipse tsi vs. Viper

Eclipse tsi vs. Viper save as.. (http://www.ricekiller.com/RKC-codyvsviper.WMV)

thats thing is fast.
i love the "do yo uneed to do your burnout" comment!

Very nice kill. Any details on the Eclipse? :confused:

that kid in the Viper went up in smoke for about 10 minutes while the awd hooked immediated...Id like to see some ets on the viper

that kid in the Viper went up in smoke for about 10 minutes while the awd hooked immediated...Id like to see some ets on the viper

yeah, i thought i seen my granny in the backround blowing by the viper in her walker. he caught up tho. :D that was a horrible launch tho.

I saw the Viper go up in smoke for a few seconds as well. But there really can't be any excuses made in racing... he did loose.

Anyway, no one knows acual mods to that Eclipse?

The eclipse is fast but its still gay as hell.

Super Gay!

why is it gay...i guess because it would tear us all up, and wasnt made in america :confused: ...anyways great post, damn that eclipse is fast, and it would actually be called a eclipse gsx or talon tsi...but oh well ;)

they didn't even show a picture of the talon anyway. why are people saying it looks gay?

"it is gay"

hilarious

I know a bit about these guys with their dsms and they also have f bodies. They live in my province.
I happen to have both also as you can see from my sig.
I like the awd turbo dsm cars a lot and think they look great..have had many compliments on them. Awd will destroy most cars unless they have drag type tires. And that dsm is far far from stock. It does seem that he takes the lead and then holds it the viper really can't run him down much.
I strongly suggest some of you f body guys go test drive a awd turbo car..wrx or sti ,even fwd srt 4 neon or awd turbo dsm. They are all big fun and nothing wrong with likely them.The awd make great second cars for all season fun. When my f bodies go into hibernation my awd turbo dsms can still be out and about. :)

that generation viper isnt anything impressive, but nice kill by the eclipse.

that's true, the viper is likely one of the 400hp models... a 20g, injectors, i/c, ehuaust, would take it...

why does everyone keep calling it an eclipse?? it's a talon....even says it before the race. i know they're the 'same,' but still. those cars are pretty cool IMO

why does everyone keep calling it an eclipse?? it's a talon....even says it before the race. i know they're the 'same,' but still. those cars are pretty cool IMO

eclipse, talon, laser, who gives a ****.

eclipse, talon, laser, who gives a ****.

Alright...how's your camaro doing?

why is it gay...i guess because it would tear us all up, and wasnt made in america :confused: ...anyways great post, damn that eclipse is fast, and it would actually be called a eclipse gsx or talon tsi...but oh well ;)

speak for your own slow cars. that was probably a high 13 sec viper. i know this is a shocker but all vipers arn't fast.

that eclipse/talon same gay ****!

Just like the Camaro is the same exact thing as the Firebird :rolleyes:

your right my slow car that runs high 11's and my really slow 600 bike that a ran a high 10...damn you must be right, you nailed that right on...next time before you talk sh*t check your faqs

your right my slow car that runs high 11's and my really slow 600 bike that a ran a high 10...damn you must be right, you nailed that right on...next time before you talk sh*t check your faqs

maybe you should check your facts before you say some pile of **** import can smoke all of us...trader

um that talon is probably running mid 11 or so

doubt it.. what makes you think that?? because it beat a viper :rolleyes:

Eagle Talon: assembled in Normal, Illinois, USA
4th-gen Camaro: assembled in Ste. Therese, Quebec, Canada

Decide for yourselves which one you're going to call a "domestic" and which one an "import". I do admit that most Talons/Eclipses are found in the "ricer" crowd nowadays, though, and that's unfortunate. The AWDs are fun cars and easy to mod, with a healthy aftermarket. Low 14's stock, low 13's for next to nothing, and 12's are very easy with the stock block and head.

80ta: I owned a '90 Talon TSi Turbo AWD, and then a '93, before buying the Camaro. I still wish I had kept my '93 - if only for bad weather days. And I do miss those 1.5 60ft. times (bone stock @ close to 7000RPM launch).

no by the launch, and the pull of the car after that... the capability of the dsm cars are unbelievable for the price, it would not suprise me whatsoever if it was 11's, and still also a daily driver

Almost 3500 pounds and only 400 hp. Looked like the talon would've trapped about the same in the 1/4. Talon pulls the viper at launch and stays there. I've seen MUCH fasted DSM's.

That's my buddies talon.
T3/4 hybrid with all the associated mods.
I have a video with a certain camaro putting the hurt on that talon after it was tuned and running more boost ;) .

jagger

did i say this was the fastest dsm in the world, or for that fact did i say it was the fastest ive ever seen... :no: sure dont recall saying that


and pwrmad what does that talon run mid 11's or so?

jagger

did i say this was the fastest dsm in the world, or for that fact did i say it was the fastest ive ever seen... :no: sure dont recall saying that


and pwrmad what does that talon run mid 11's or so?

Did i at any point quote you or even hint to any of your posts? Didn't think so. Yeah what's the talon run? If that thing does low 12's i'd be surprised.

well i jaut kind of figured you were replying to my post seeing as i was talking about fast dsm's, and said that car was doing probably 11s, and i was the only one discussing those 2 things(dsm's and the et)

Maybe i did then. I was reading through every post without looking at who posted. So i just replied. I saw alot of the "dsm must be fast" replies. Don't take it personal. I just don't think that particular viper is very fast. And like i said. If it weren't for the few cars it put on the viper from the stop they would've been a pretty close race.

Yeah what's the talon run? If that thing does low 12's i'd be surprised.

It runs low twelves :lol: .

it doesnt take much to make a DSM run 12's, they are very responsive to minimal mods. i have 3000 total spent on my laser and it ran a 14.6@100 on 3 cylinders (on plugs electrode was gone i have pics of it) my camaro has alot more money into it and is alot slower. i used to bash the DSM's but now i have nothing but respect for them

Told ya it runs 12's. :D As for your camaro running slower then 14.6. Poor guy. I don't think any mods are needed to go faster then that. But with tires you'd definitely see better times.

That talon's about as "minimally modified" as my camaro is :p

its not like low 12s is slow :confused: ...jagger i wasnt mad just thought you were trying to make me look like an idiot, as for my point...that dsm still takes about 75% of people on this boar---so why people trying to make fun of it? :rolleyes:

its not like low 12s is slow :confused: ...jagger i wasnt mad just thought you were trying to make me look like an idiot, as for my point...that dsm still takes about 75% of people on this boar---so why people trying to make fun of it? :rolleyes:

The answer you’re looking for is "jealousy". I by no means like them but one would have to give respect where respect is due. Low 12's is fast, no matter what car you’re in. Just my can of corn ya know? And if he has a few bucks, I'll gladly take it from him ;)

Pretty stupid to make a claim that one particular car could beat us all. Shiot, be lucky to beat my tow truck.

And just because everyone does not start sucking the import dong does not mean you can flame people because they do not like those cars.

youre the one being a flamer, canton--you werent even in the conversation... and i was being facetious,if you didnt realize, kinda how everyone was calling the car gay, when i really doubt it likes neither female nor male cars :rolleyes:

i knew it couldnt beat us all, but you realize it could be 75% of us...i dont like many imports, but i respect fast cars...and that is quick

Yeah...I am the flamer yet your the dumb arse that posts this retarded video about beating a car that obviously the driver could not drive then have the fuching nerve to yap at the jaw about some pos beating other cars.

Freaking douche bag.

frikken napeleon dynamite calm down i didnt post the video...f**kin tool

its not like low 12s is slow :confused: ...jagger i wasnt mad just thought you were trying to make me look like an idiot, as for my point...that dsm still takes about 75% of people on this boar---so why people trying to make fun of it? :rolleyes:

I apologize if i gave you the impression that i was tryin to make you look like an idiot. I wasn't. As for low 12's being fast. An AWD car will get to low 12's MUCH faster then a rwd car on stock tires. I was running low 12's with 2.2 60'. And i was emberrased to even go back to my friends after the runs because i know i'm the slowest of the bunch. That's just to give you an idea of how slow low 12's is. AWD helps alot.

no its cool jagger...you have to understand that talon im sure is his daily, just like my t/a is my daily*except nice weather then its the bike :cool: * low 12s-high 11s is a VERY FAST daily...i DO NOT believe in only track cars

and yes awd does get to 12s alot faster but, rwd is ALOT more fun

why is it gay...i guess because it would tear us all up, and wasnt made in america :confused: ...anyways great post, damn that eclipse is fast, and it would actually be called a eclipse gsx or talon tsi...but oh well ;)

it was made in america (bloomington IL I think?) but eclipses aren't gay, I've got a friend with a 98 GSX that'll keep up with my car in the quarter, and out handle it all day.

it was made in america (bloomington IL I think?) but eclipses aren't gay, I've got a friend with a 98 GSX that'll keep up with my car in the quarter, and out handle it all day.

a stock gsx can not keep up w/ a stock lt1...either that or your car is slow...seriously my friend has a stock 97 gsx, that is like a high 14-low 15; their not that fast...

Ive lost to come of those TSI's. They just hook while i spin, kinda funny tho' i caught him pretty quickly ;)

a stock gsx can not keep up w/ a stock lt1...either that or your car is slow...seriously my friend has a stock 97 gsx, that is like a high 14-low 15; their not that fast...
bad93z's car runs, according to his sig, 12.46... so he's not talkin' stock.

The '95-up DSM's are a little heavier than the '90-94's, I believe. My '93 Talon TSi AWD ran 14.4@92 stock (note the low trap speed). By comparison, my Camaro ran 14.0@100 when it was stock, on the crappy original RS-A's, at the same track.

This is the same talon as in the video, but with four pounds more boost after he had it tuned.
My car was at 480rwhp at this time (much more now, muhahahaha), I have traction issues as I'm running kumho mx 295/35/18 street rubber.
The talon can launch HARD on the street.

http://media.putfile.com/tvsc_0001

This is the same talon as in the video, but with four pounds more boost after he had it tuned.
My car was at 480rwhp at this time (much more now, muhahahaha), I have traction issues as I'm running kumho mx 295/35/18 street rubber.
The talon can launch HARD on the street.

http://media.putfile.com/tvsc_0001

Thats basicallly what happened with the one i raced ;)

Stock 2nd gen dsms are slow. I have one and tazzoed an auto turbo awd before I bought my current one. At bone stock boost the auto was running 16s and my 5 speed turbo awd had to struggle to run low 15s.
But you have to watch what you mean by stock. Stock turbo is one thing but stock boost another. With simply upping the boost you can get them to run close to a stock lt1 or even faster than a stock lt1 if you do a few more supporting mods, better fuel pump, exhaust,intake...race gas..Some are running faster than stock ls1s on the stock turbo with the right mods.
Think record is 11s but that might be on spray.
Also just because you beat a modified turbo car one race don't mean nothing if he can simply up his boost and run you again.
Raced buddies old subaru and smoked it terrible at first but he kept raising boost and each run he got closer and closer to my NA old 80 TA. He had severe traction problems in his fwd on street tires but on the highway at higher boost I could not run him down once we took his crazy wheelspin out of the equation.
Turbo cars are unpredictable and can be huge diff running one on pump gas and then running it on race gas.
Don't get me wrong ,usually a v8 with big power adder like supercharger or nitrous or heads/cam/headers and or nitrous will take most turbo
dsms. It should it has more displacement. But fastest car at our local import shootout was a 1st gen talon running 11.8 at 126mph with like 2.0 60fts.That one was fwd on drag tires.Another one awd was running simliar mph and third one was like 12.5 at 113 or something.
There were three highly modified non race car f bodies there. A full done heads/cam/headers third gen on et streets managing bests of
12.2 that day at 114 mph or so , a 413 rwhp 99 SS running also low 12s but on nittos at 115 or 116..A 420 rwhp 98 ls1 heads/cam/headers running not good times at all forget but think just broke into the 12s at around 115mph but he was on street tires not drags.
I would have liked to see the car in the video there to run the fast dsms it should have been interesting race. One of the few cars to run close to the dsm for mph was a twin turbo big block 2nd gen that had massive wheelspin problems and was running 130mph and forget times but not great considering he had like 1000 or more hp!!!! Buick grand national highly modded was also on street tires and getting some high elevens but at only around 119mph ,he was trying not to go under 11.5 I think though and thus get out of having no rollbar. But that 126mph shows I think 10 second potential for the dsm with a 1.6 or 1.7 launch possible pretty easily on awd dsms even on street tires.

Not sure what turbo is in the above talon but he may have potential to get a lot more hp out of it and come a lot closer to the camaro in future runs.
A supercharged car is also limited in boost by the pulley on it , of course you can swap the pulley but on turbo you just dial up the boost. Much simpler and easer to do.And turbo swaps to bigger more powerful turbos can be done in few hours if things go right.Course you need retuning and maybe bigger injectors,etc to go up in turbo size.Its not totally plug and play.

I look forward to seeing some rematching and maybe get a chance to play with that camaro as its fairly local to me. I expect to lose of course depending on what I run him with and have to say the camaro is a very nice very fast car. Hope he brings it down to our local track to really see what it can do.

I look forward to seeing some rematching and maybe get a chance to play with that camaro as its fairly local to me. I expect to lose of course depending on what I run him with ...

He,he bring on that girly sts car, it's going to be ugly :dead: .
From a roll anyways, a kid on a skateboard can beat my 60 foot times :p

Awd anything has the advantage at SIR. I've been told it's one of the poorest prepped tracks in alberta/saskatchewan.
The talon is running a t3/4 60 trim, it's currently out of commission until the owner can afford the sheppard racing transmission.
He's got all the stuff to go low 11s, but is having a hard time getting everything to work at the same time, something or other always acts up or breaks.

Now,now the sts car is not mine .And its not set up for drag type racing with
no stall and street tires. And he might not put the right money into support mods to get it running at 12psi or so where it has to be to be at like 600
rwhp according to sts site.

Perosonally not sure any of my car will ever be worthy match for you pwrmad.
The 96 will have its zex wet on shortly and by next spring should have my
comp 305 and 1.6 rockers isntalled along with planned LE2 heads and mac
headers.
The talon going big stuff bigger than that car in video . Expect to have to buy
tranny and stuff like that also.
The 99 trans am is going turbo just havne't decided on single or twin and that one will be set up for minimum 500 plus rwhp. Of course talk is cheap..

But of course the old rule there is always someone faster still applies.

I've always had a hard time not being competitive with stuff like this :D .

I still haven't decided if I'm going to just stay with my current setup or go with a maximum effort ptk build-up this winter, a certain ptk turbo 'stang (pt76), out of calgary, will make up my mind for me when we race next month. It should be a good race, I've got more peak hp, but he's got more under the curve. Going to go from a 130 km/hr punch.

I like the zex wet kit I just put on, nice and compact, simple wiring. No window switch with the kit though.

I go that new msd window switch for my vert.
It will be interesting to see which is faster you or turbo but as I said turbo cars just up the boost a bit more and get faster you have to mess with pullys and stuff. Both are neat..
I am looking hard at turbo kit for the 99 and don't worry it will be a front mount like a ptk also ,hear the one company is redoing the incon kits..
Single turbo is nice but still like the sound of twin turbo personally.

Are you and any of your buddies going to SIR this year. I know the track can be crappy but its ok if you run drag tires ,nittos aren't that good on it really.
I would like to see your car run and a few of your buddies cars..

And yeah its the nature of us guys to be competitive..Maybe we can have
a fourth gen hp war going but I want to finish off the vert and get the talon
on the road before doing up the 99 trans am to the moon.

The turbo 'stangs block is living on borrowed time, and his fuel system is pegged, so he can't up the boost more than he already has.
After dynoing 523rwhp, I've re-pullied the blower for another 2 pounds of boost (14 total now, blower is just over max rated impeller rpm) and I'm running a wet 65 shot.
The stang dynoed 460rwhp on a mustang dyno. As far as he knows, I'm still going to be at 523rwhp when we race, who knows though he's probably got something up his sleeve too.
We'll probably come out to sir next year, definitally won't happen this year as my dance card is full :D .