I'm confused...2007 model year? or calender year?

Can someone please clarify the time frame for the new "C" :cool: I want to be sure to have my savings peak at the right time :bow:

Bob S.

Can someone please clarify the time frame for the new "C" :cool: I want to be sure to have my savings peak at the right time :bow:

Bob S.

Savings peak? :lol:

how about save as much as you can until you can buy it?

See now if you are going to reply guionM you gotta bring something more than that :mad: ;)

Bob s.

Most of the insiders on this board believe it will be a 2008 model year, debuting late 07 or early 08. A lot of the info that has been written in the press from supposedly inside sources, points to a 2007 model year debut sometime in 2007 as a 2007 1/2.

Some also now believe that it could even be a 2009 model if the elimination of Zeta platform caused GM to develop a new or modified (sigma Lite) platform for the Camaro, but it has never been stated that the Camaro was even slated for the Zeta, so maybe there won't be a delay at all.

I believe that is all accurate and up-to-date. If I got anything wrong, my bad. :)

See now if you are going to reply guionM you gotta bring something more than that :mad: ;)

Bob s.

Minimalist approach Bob. :)

To answer your question, it takes at least 18-24 monthsafter final approval to gear up for production and get it in showrooms (baring a Solstice-like goof).

That means is a car got final approval tomorrow, it probally wouldn't be out till 2007 calender year as a 2008, and the clocks still running.

Plenty of time for the ole savings to peak. ;)

With '07 being the Camaros 40th anniversary is it conceivable that Chevy does a "Ford GT" and produces at least a few '07s?

With '07 being the Camaros 40th anniversary is it conceivable that Chevy does a "Ford GT" and produces at least a few '07s?

I wouldn't be suprised if the car debuts as an 07, but in Spring 07 rather than Fall 06 with all the other 07 models. That way they still hit the 40th anniversary. They can run a limited model year, then just do a carry-over for a full 08 run.

You'd have to assume there is a good chance the car has its approval, but they won't publicly admit it until the concept debuts. There seems to be WAYYYY too much internal momentum behind the car at this point for it still not to have an OK to proceed. If its 24 mos from January NAIAS then that is January 08 as a late '08 model, maybe if they work quickly it could be a fall '07 debut 2008 model.

I just can't believe with the ass kicking the Mustang is giving GM in the coupe market right now, and all the scrambling they've been doing to put a Camaro together behind the scenes, that they'd still be so uncertain about the product and the segment as to not have approval yet. I mean, what the hell are they waiting for?

I mean, what the hell are they waiting for?

GM has some very important negotiations starting next week. After those are completed, expect for a flood gate to open. I expect our heads to be spinning from late fall until the 2nd week in January. GM has become pretty fond of the NY Auto show as well.

To answer your question, it takes at least 18-24 monthsafter final approval to gear up for production and get it in showrooms (baring a Solstice-like goof).

18 to 24. You know my attitude on that. This fall will be 54 months since the Solstice was shown in concept form. How's everyone enjoying them? LOL. SSR? How long did that take? LOL.

Just ribbing ya with the 18 to 24 wishful thinking.

Using the above GM math and being horribly optomistic, let's say there is a concept(I don't believe this, but the masses do) at the 2006 NAIAS. Lets go forward 27 months, instead of 54 from there. That puts you at the spring of 2008.

GM has some very important negotiations starting next week. After those are completed, expect for a flood gate to open. I expect our heads to be spinning from late fall until the 2nd week in January. GM has become pretty fond of the NY Auto show as well.

I agree.

I wouldn't be suprised if the car debuts as an 07, but in Spring 07 rather than Fall 06 with all the other 07 models. That way they still hit the 40th anniversary. They can run a limited model year, then just do a carry-over for a full 08 run.

If it debuted in the spring of 2007, it would be a 2008 model year car.

You'd have to assume there is a good chance the car has its approval, but they won't publicly admit it until the concept debuts. There seems to be WAYYYY too much internal momentum behind the car at this point for it still not to have an OK to proceed. If its 24 mos from January NAIAS then that is January 08 as a late '08 model, maybe if they work quickly it could be a fall '07 debut 2008 model.

I'm sure there's a few people here directly involved with how things pan out in the industry, but 18-24 is about the absolute speed limit. Still have tooling, OEM manufacturers' developing parts and assemblies, testing & verification, and whatever else needs to be done. If they aren't going to greenlight till the GMT900s get underway, we are probally looking at the very end of 2007 as a 2008 at the absolute earliest, which corresponds with the "grapevine".


GM has some very important negotiations starting next week. After those are completed, expect for a flood gate to open. I expect our heads to be spinning from late fall until the 2nd week in January. GM has become pretty fond of the NY Auto show as well.

That's what I'm hearing as well. :)

18 to 24. You know my attitude on that. This fall will be 54 months since the Solstice was shown in concept form. How's everyone enjoying them? LOL. SSR? How long did that take? LOL.

Just ribbing ya with the 18 to 24 wishful thinking.

Using the above GM math and being horribly optomistic, let's say there is a concept(I don't believe this, but the masses do) at the 2006 NAIAS. Lets go forward 27 months, instead of 54 from there. That puts you at the spring of 2008.

Yeah, I'm still kind of skeptical on that as well, but GM now has their backs to the wall. I think I posted this a while ago, but if GM doesn't have a Mustang competitor on the road by 2008, GM's done for. Not because the car is going to be a big seller. But because it will be a very clear example of whether or not GM has adapted to the times & streamlined their development.

GM's current management vehicles will start hitting the road in 2007, and the 1st "No Excuse" cars in 2008. If there's any delays or foulups, there's no blaming former management, or vehicles whose "bluemetal" was done before everything was in place. Also, there will be no blaming a broken product approval system, or broken anything else since by 2008 the current team would have been in place long enough to create an entire vehicle from strach & fix whatever problems came up in their early attempts to fix the company.

It's 2008, or I think we will be looking a a giant that is slowly sinking. :(

18 to 24. You know my attitude on that. This fall will be 54 months since the Solstice was shown in concept form. How's everyone enjoying them? LOL. SSR? How long did that take? LOL.

Just ribbing ya with the 18 to 24 wishful thinking.

Using the above GM math and being horribly optomistic, let's say there is a concept(I don't believe this, but the masses do) at the 2006 NAIAS. Lets go forward 27 months, instead of 54 from there. That puts you at the spring of 2008.


E-yup.

Best case. If GM could get its sh*t in gear is '08. The actual year 2008.

I neither believe GM has its sh*t in gear nor that the Camaro even makes the top5 list of things to do at GM in the next 3 years.

I'm still calling it 2010.

I'm still calling it 2010.

Wanna bet on that?

I think that GM should bring out a limited edition Camaro in the fall of 2007 as a 2008 Camaro available only as a coupe or convertible with a 230 ci V6 make 67, a 327 ci V8 make 67, and as a 350 ci V8 make 67. Then they should make the production car a coupe, t-top, or convertible available with Standard Camaro: a 3.8L Supercharged V6 available with 5-speed or 4 speed automatic costing $23,950 MSRP; Z-28 Camaro: 6.0L V8 $31,450 MSRP or available as an SS Camaro with a 7.0L 427 ci 7.0L V8 $35,690 MSRP. Then id definately buy an SS. I would put $5,000 down right now for the SS

im going to wait until they build the car before i think about numbers

If it debuted in the spring of 2007, it would be a 2008 model year car.



Didn't the GTO debut in the spring of 2004 as a 2004?
Why couldn't they have it debut in early 2007 as a 2007, even if it is a short run?

If there isn't a concept or some strongly backed talk by Scott by January of 06, I might just go ahead an buy a new GTO. :(

I am sooo tired of this cloakl and dagger crap.......192,000 mustangs have sold. GM gave all the sales right to Ford~ How do you not make a Camaro to cut into that market share ? I am losing faith by the bucketfull. Super Dumbasses~

If there isn't a concept or some strongly backed talk by Scott by January of 06, I might just go ahead an buy a new GTO. :(


That's what I'd do. See the fella above.

18-24 months! What if the car was already approved, but somehow All the insiders couldn't find evidence of it (or knew the consequences of a leak)? It's possible, IMO especially considering the climate of "mums the word", as far as Camaro goes! And isn't it also possible that work began on a 5th gen shortly after it was canceled, even if no one could find any proof! I still say there will be an 07 Camaro, and I hope I'm right! ;)

18-24 months! What if the car was already approved, but somehow All the insiders couldn't find evidence of it (or knew the consequences of a leak)? It's possible, IMO especially considering the climate of "mums the word", as far as Camaro goes! And isn't it also possible that work began on a 5th gen shortly after it was canceled, even if no one could find any proof! I still say there will be an 07 Camaro, and I hope I'm right! ;)

Because some of the "insiders" actually work either for GM directly, or for a parts or assembly supplier who would be involved in the car. To top it off, GM has said it isn't approved.

FWIW, there were some "parts" that were already well along before money & resources were frozen and diverted to the GMT900.

Didn't the GTO debut in the spring of 2004 as a 2004?
Why couldn't they have it debut in early 2007 as a 2007, even if it is a short run?

Actually, the 2004 GTO began production in early fall 2003, and hit showrooms before Christmas. That makes it a 2004.

It's all based on when the car begins production. The original Mustang went on sale in April 1964. However it's actually a 1965 Mustang not a '64 1/2. The "1/2" came from the press, not Ford, which called it the 1965 Mustang.

Not a new phenomenon.