I think Bob wants to say the "C" word.....

Bob from Bob's blog......

But there is something very appealing about a rear-wheel-drive car, and it’s not lost on us. We have not at all abandoned our hopes and dreams for rear-wheel-drive passenger cars — we’ve just stopped work on one particular program. Does that mean there won’t be another and a better program to follow that one? No. Has the current trend toward nostalgia vehicles escaped us? No. Are we studying this phenomenon? Yes. That’s all there is to say about it at this time.http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives/2005/06/almost_summer_d.html#more

Damnit Bob, do us all a favor and just tell us already.

Spit it out already Dammit!

hes talking about studying??? umm whats to study?? the test is done, its called MUSTANG!!
lol funny bob funny

Spit it out!

:cool: Nice to hear that :D

"Does that mean there won't be..." I hate the future tense in this sentence :( I'd like to know that they're working on something right now.

wait....bob "[is still] studying this phenomenon?" i would have thought they would have been doing something by now? i don't mean this to be rude, but if they are just now starting to think about maybe making a car that is possibly called the Camaro...they "might" be too late for the game. :)

"might"-sarcasm

edit: this would mean that they are gonna let the new mustang run it's course and take all sports car sells (well most of them). By the time GM makes a return, the sports car market will be shot...flooded with these older cars and there will be something else hip. GM needs to realize that the sports/muscle-car can be the new SUV market if done right. The GTO, if marketed properly could easily outsell the mustang, i mean easily. i'm sure with new body styling the next gen will be the car of the year, just remember that families and car enthusiasts will be getting these. Dad wants a quick car, mom wants room for the kids. quiet cruising, load at WOT, with this whole displacement on demand thing, you'd think there would be a plane old sports car setting, hit a button and it turns off traction control, adjust the fuel management and computer for more power, maybe a different shift point for autos, etc. the Mustang should be miles behind the GTO but it isn't. lets hit the books and get this one right. :D

hes talking about studying??? umm whats to study?? the test is done, its called MUSTANG!!
lol funny bob funny

My thoughts exactly.

:tired: Talk is cheap. Let's see something get done, shall we?

speaking of which, when is this stockholder's meeting we were hearing about?
june 7 or 17?

Ok, does this mean that the possible camaro program has yet to start? The words "To follow that one" bother's me. Its as if he is speaking about a future program, not one currently far enough along to allow a 2007 car.

Ok, does this mean that the possible camaro program has yet to start? The words "To follow that one" bother's me. Its as if he is speaking about a future program, not one currently far enough along to allow a 2007 car.
If there is no Camaro by 2007, GM is screwed. Ford would have already put out the Shelby GT500 Mustang, plus probably another varient like the Mach 1.

Ok, does this mean that the possible camaro program has yet to start? The words "To follow that one" bother's me. Its as if he is speaking about a future program, not one currently far enough along to allow a 2007 car.
Camaro is waiting for approval (my guess), 18 months or so before production begins. I would guess the doors are welded shut on Camaro till sometime in Sept. Then the welds will be taken off and the leaks will begin.

hasn't ford already done a study on the market? i believe the results were posted here ...

http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/mustang1e_20050601.htm

A little off topic, but it's from the same blog post from Bob... wow!


And the rear-wheel drive 2005 Pontiac GTO is practically sold out, despite initial worries of whether it would ever reach its targeted volume of 18,000 a year

:thumb:

:tired: Talk is cheap. Let's see something get done, shall we?

I agree, :tired: .

This does nothing for me.

My 'vigil flame' is starting to flicker in the breeze.... :(

Interesting how every post's comments manage to turn into a cry for a new Camaro.

Ditto

A little off topic, but it's from the same blog post from Bob... wow!



:thumb:

Darth....I'm having a hard time understanding how it could be "sold out" (I know you didn't make the statement - just commenting on it). At most, ~4500 2005 GTOs have been sold to date. How does that relate to a targeted volume of 18,000 per year that he mentioned? One has to assume that they are expecting a BIG increase in sales. I guess?

As for the original statement from Bob's blog (sounds like a late night show on TV), IMHO, ya'll are kind of grasping. Maybe he meant something to be read into that, maybe not.

Then again, 'cryptic' is the game we seem to play here, and some of you are pretty good at being cryptic, so its quite possible that I'm just missing the boat. Again. :)

smoke and mirrors.... :D

This does nothing for me.

My 'vigil flame' is starting to flicker in the breeze.... :(

My "viil flame" is experiencing a full on Category-V Gale...

Darth....I'm having a hard time understanding how it could be "sold out" (I know you didn't make the statement - just commenting on it). At most, ~4500 2005 GTOs have been sold to date. How does that relate to a targeted volume of 18,000 per year that he mentioned? One has to assume that they are expecting a BIG increase in sales. I guess?



Ya, I kind of got to thinking that myself. :lol: I'm assuming it's more of a reference to the sales pace rather than actual sales.

Well, even at 1100 per month (which includes some 2004s), 12 * 1100 does not equal 18k. :)

Be interesting to watch.

Well, even at 1100 per month (which includes some 2004s), 12 * 1100 does not equal 18k. :)

Be interesting to watch.


Ya, but they shold sell more RWD sports cars in the late spring and summer months than they do in Jan and Feb, etc....

Should be higher volume in those months.

My "vigil flame" is experiencing a full on Category-V Gale...


not mine.. mine is like an oil field fire.. nothin short of dynamite will put it out!

-steve

Mark my words if there is not official press release out by october 2006 that says there will be a Camaro comming by no other name, then i am buying a mustang.

i have already been forced to decide to buy a new dodge ram over the silverado because they made those ugly, dont do this to me again. :(

Well, even at 1100 per month (which includes some 2004s), 12 * 1100 does not equal 18k. :)

Be interesting to watch.

What about all the GTOs that were lost in that train crash a few months back? I'm sure they were part of the 18k.

Uh, ok. How many GTO's were there? 13k? ;) Just kidding on that part, but seriously - how many of them were involved? In the big picture, would they make a difference?

Ya, but they shold sell more RWD sports cars in the late spring and summer months than they do in Jan and Feb, etc....

Should be higher volume in those months.
I'm sure they will sell more - but how MUCH more is the question? Will volume double (at least), like it needs to?

Mark my words if there is not official press release out by october 2006 that says there will be a Camaro comming by no other name, then i am buying a mustang.


That is more than a fair enough time frame. I'm hoping to hear something by the 2006 NAIAS in Jan.

i have already been forced to decide to buy a new dodge ram over the silverado because they made those ugly, dont do this to me again. :(

umm....there is still GMC

Actually I'm considering trading my Z28 in on a used Silverado. My mechanic just told me that adding a supercharger to the Silverado/Tahoe 5.3L will make our supercharged Mustang 4.6L look silly. :D

Every post in Bob Lutz' blog I think just makes things look worse for Camaro. In mid-2005 they're talking about "Studying" a new RWD passenger car? Wow, if this was 2001 that might be big news. We know a bit more than that from insiders on here, but Lutz always makes the Camaro sound like it'll be back in 10 years.

What? GM is studying this phenomenon? isn't already late to be studying when Ford sells 15,000 Mustangs every month.. :confused:
:rolleyes:

Every post in Bob Lutz' blog I think just makes things look worse for Camaro. In mid-2005 they're talking about "Studying" a new RWD passenger car? Wow, if this was 2001 that might be big news. We know a bit more than that from insiders on here, but Lutz always makes the Camaro sound like it'll be back in 10 years.

That's what GM wants you and everyone else to think. Picture this. You're playing Texas Hold 'em. You have pocket Aces. Are you going to say, "Hey I may have and Ace or two" or are you going to play it up like you're not overly enthusiastic about your cards?

Sheesh. Its like everyone here is expecting Bob, Red Planet or someone else from GM to come on out and say, "sssh, we're building a new Camaro for 2008... but don't tell anyone." :p

Wake up people. There have been enough hints; its like smacking yourself in the head with a 2x4. :D

Exactly LOL. Some still don't get the whole picture.

Wake up people. There have been enough hints; its like smacking yourself in the head with a 2x4. :D

I agree, there have been plenty of hints dropped. Me? I'm just really tired of the talk. Talk talk talk talk....at this point, when GM builds the new Camaro and I can see it in front of me, that's when I'll get excited. Bob Lutz dancing around and posting his wonderful cryptic words won't do it for me anymore like they did a year or two ago. We've heard for 3 years now about all the exciting stuff in GM's pipeline...and we're still talking about it...I know the stuff is coming, but the words don't interest me, PRODUCT does!!!

Sorry maybe I'm just irritated at too many things right now and I'm letting it out here, but I don't understand why people still cling to every little nugget Lutz says when he mentions "heritage" or "rear drive". There's nothing here we haven't read 100 times before.

That's what GM wants you and everyone else to think. Picture this. You're playing Texas Hold 'em. You have pocket Aces. Are you going to say, "Hey I may have and Ace or two" or are you going to play it up like you're not overly enthusiastic about your cards?


Picture this. The pace of GM's poker game was so slow, everybody changed the channel.

Exactly LOL. Some still don't get the whole picture.
Guilty as charged. One of these days perhaps you enlighted folks will enlighten this unenlightened folk.

At this point I don't think we will see a new Camaro until sometime in the early part of the next decade, unless we get transformed Holden. GM is sooooo slow, if the brisk sales of the new Mustang doesn't light a fire under there butt's nothing will.
2007 is out, I think we would be seeing/hearing a lot more if 2007 were the year. They can't talk C-word but something is coming, I think later than sooner. For gods sake nobody has spotted a camoed RWD test mule of any kind yet, then on top of that you take all of the recent problems and product delays.
Take my opinion for what its worth, I am just an outsider who gathers info here and there to come to my own conclusions.
If there is a new Camaro right around the corner that they are going to take the wraps off next year, it will be the best kept secert GM has ever had.

Remember the original poster is far more in the know than any of us (cept guy maybe) and he wouldn't have posted that blog unless he was dropping his own little hint.

At this point I don't think we will see a new Camaro until sometime in the early part of the next decade, unless we get transformed Holden. GM is sooooo slow, if the brisk sales of the new Mustang doesn't light a fire under there butt's nothing will.
2007 is out, I think we would be seeing/hearing a lot more if 2007 were the year. They can't talk C-word but something is coming, I think later than sooner. For gods sake nobody has spotted a camoed RWD test mule of any kind yet, then on top of that you take all of the recent problems and product delays.
Take my opinion for what its worth, I am just an outsider who gathers info here and there to come to my own conclusions.
If there is a new Camaro right around the corner that they are going to take the wraps off next year, it will be the best kept secert GM has ever had.
^^^

Remember the original poster is far more in the know than any of us (cept guy maybe) and he wouldn't have posted that blog unless he was dropping his own little hint.

Like I said... 2x4. ;)

It's refreshing to see more comments on the blog like......

"Bob,
Maybe do fewer studies, get quicker on your feet and take the lead in bringing out gotta have GM products"


and fewer comments like......

" Dear, dearest Mr. Lutz sir,
I am president of the GM cheerleading society at my school. The Malibu is the most awesomest car ever....especially in beige"

It's refreshing to see more comments on the blog like......

"Bob,
Maybe do fewer studies, get quicker on your feet and take the lead in bringing out gotta have GM products"


and fewer comments like......

" Dear, dearest Mr. Lutz sir,
I am president of the GM cheerleading society at my school. The Malibu is the most awesomest car ever....especially in beige"
so fewer people from this msgboard are posting on the blog now?

Knowing G.M. that 'C" word might be "Corvair" ;)

Knowing G.M. that 'C" word might be "Corvair" ;)

Hey the Corvair was a kickass car. DIE RALPH NADER!!!!

:p :p :p :p

Cmon Bob just say it, it'll feel better :D

Knowing G.M. that 'C" word might be "Corvair" ;)

You're being far too kind. It probably means Cavalier! ;)

I'll go out on a limb and say no one here will be driving a 5th gen in 2007. Please, prove me wrong, bring your 2x4 if you think it will help.

You know what's depressing? I drove by a Chrysler dealership and I got excited. 300C, Charger, Magnum, Viper. All out front, all enough to get anyone's heart racing.

I drove by a Chevy dealership and what's out front? Silverados and Trailblazers. Yawn.

As we've been saying -- GM is always playing catch-up. Meanwhile Chrysler's got all the 'gotta-have' cars, and Ford ain't doing to bad with the 'Stang. Now I can't stand the new Mustang, but man I would love a Magnum, and those Chargers are friggin' tough looking.

No matter what Bob says or when he says it, it's too little too late. The Solstice is not going to be enough to generate the buzz the General needs.

That's what GM wants you and everyone else to think. Picture this. You're playing Texas Hold 'em. You have pocket Aces. Are you going to say, "Hey I may have and Ace or two" or are you going to play it up like you're not overly enthusiastic about your cards?

Sheesh. Its like everyone here is expecting Bob, Red Planet or someone else from GM to come on out and say, "sssh, we're building a new Camaro for 2008... but don't tell anyone." :p

Wake up people. There have been enough hints; its like smacking yourself in the head with a 2x4. :D


It's kind of pointless to keep your hand secret after everyone else has shown theirs. There's no secret to be kept. Say you're making one or not.

You're being far too kind. It probably means Cavalier! ;)

I'll go out on a limb and say no one here will be driving a 5th gen in 2007. Please, prove me wrong, bring your 2x4 if you think it will help.

I know I won't be... because I'll be waiting an additional 12-18 months for the Z06 inspired Z28. :D

This will put it into perspective. I started waiting for a new Camaro in my Junior year in High School. By the time any new supposed Camaro debuts, I will have my Master's degree in College.

Yeah.

It's kind of pointless to keep your hand secret after everyone else has shown theirs. There's no secret to be kept. Say you're making one or not.

In GM's defense, if they said "yeah we've got this great new Camaro hitting the streets in 2007", that would give Ford ample time to fix any complaints on the new Mustang, or improve it; Or if DCX is still on the fence regarding a performance coupe, it could light a fire under them...

Knowing G.M. that 'C" word might be "Corvair" ;)

Knowing their sorry a$$es, Chevette is the word that comes to my mind.

In GM's defense, if they said "yeah we've got this great new Camaro hitting the streets in 2007", that would give Ford ample time to fix any complaints on the new Mustang, or improve it; Or if DCX is still on the fence regarding a performance coupe, it could light a fire under them...
Well, don't just flat-out deny it and piss all of your loyal enthusiasts off and drive them away. You gotta give people some hope.

And since when is competition bad?

... Or if DCX is still on the fence regarding a performance coupe, it could light a fire under them...


maybe this is a good thing? GM could start a study on how to light a fire under their own arse.

Big announcement tomorrow. GM to build new assembly plant in Baghdad. Revived sports car being introduced...the Camaro IRAQ (IROC).

You gotta give people some hope.

Which part of "keep the faith" are you having trouble comprehending? :confused: :rolleyes:

My hopes for a 5th gen are long gone... In the next few years, It looks like a Charger or a Magnum are my RWD vehicles of choice...

Which part of "keep the faith" are you having trouble comprehending? :confused: :rolleyes:
You could tell me to "keep the faith" that I'll win the powerball jackpot.

It means nothing.

Well, don't just flat-out deny it and piss all of your loyal enthusiasts off and drive them away. You gotta give people some hope.

And since when is competition bad?

No one's ever denied anything on this subject.

Has anyone ever said "We will not be making a Camaro"? What has been said is that there "are no plans...", and of late via Bob Lutz himself, there hasn't been a Camaro "approved" for future production.


It's kind of pointless to keep your hand secret after everyone else has shown theirs. There's no secret to be kept. Say you're making one or not.

What if back in the 1985 Ford announced the 1987 Mustang 5.0 was going to get a power bump up to 225hp? What if GM had announced in 1990 that the '93 Z28 would have a 275 horse engine directly from the Corvette?

You will NOT hear an advance notice from GM (just like you won't from any other car company) regarding a car in a hotly contested segment, giving others a chance to react before the fact.

How much advance "official" word did we recieve on the new Corvette?

Ford didn't even show a concept version of the Mustang and start talking about the new one until just 18 months before it was in showrooms.

This will put it into perspective. I started waiting for a new Camaro in my Junior year in High School. By the time any new supposed Camaro debuts, I will have my Master's degree in College.

Yeah.

And I was waiting for a new Mustang chassis since the 1980s. However, that doesn't mean Ford went by my own personal schedule, does it? ;)

In GM's defense, if they said "yeah we've got this great new Camaro hitting the streets in 2007", that would give Ford ample time to fix any complaints on the new Mustang, or improve it; Or if DCX is still on the fence regarding a performance coupe, it could light a fire under them...

Exactly! :bow:



FWIW: There has been evry hint thrown out imaginable regarding a Mustang competitor from GM. Even people inside GM have skirted the edge and gone about as far as they can go on the internet (which BTW, is just like talking to the press). Anyone who thinks Bob Lutz is going to drop by here, and say "We're secretly working on a Camaro" isn't being realistic. At the same time, there are plenty of people here, including myself, that know there's no reason for pessimism. ;)


When something gets to Bob Lutz's level and he approves it, it goes to GM's product board for final approval. If it clears, it is likely to be out 18 months later (assuming cost cutters don't create yet another quality "issue"). Until it gets to that point, it's "under study" or "being looked at". If it's not being considered, that's what it means.

Bob Lutz is on record saying a Camaro-like car is "under study".

What the hell do you think that means?! :rolleyes:

In GM's defense, if they said "yeah we've got this great new Camaro hitting the streets in 2007", that would give Ford ample time to fix any complaints on the new Mustang, or improve it; Or if DCX is still on the fence regarding a performance coupe, it could light a fire under them...


Like a camaro has ever hurt mustang sales before... psht..

Ford doesnt care what Chevy is doing in the ponycar market. Hell, they pretty much waited until
rumors of the 5th gens deat to start making REAL ponycars. (99+ GT poweron a reasonable level for the first time in several years, 03 Cobra, IRS, now the 05 stang)

I think the best move Ford can make (and have made) is paying GM's coupe segmant no attention.

GTO, Grand Prix, and the new "Camaro" will be based on the same chassis it seams.

The "Camaro" code name "Sigma" is planned to begin production April 2007.

No one's ever denied anything on this subject.

Has anyone ever said "We will not be making a Camaro"? What has been said is that there "are no plans...", and of late via Bob Lutz himself, there hasn't been a Camaro "approved" for future production.




What if back in the 1985 Ford announced the 1987 Mustang 5.0 was going to get a power bump up to 225hp? What if GM had announced in 1990 that the '93 Z28 would have a 275 horse engine directly from the Corvette?

You will NOT hear an advance notice from GM (just like you won't from any other car company) regarding a car in a hotly contested segment, giving others a chance to react before the fact.

How much advance "official" word did we recieve on the new Corvette?

Ford didn't even show a concept version of the Mustang and start talking about the new one until just 18 months before it was in showrooms.



And I was waiting for a new Mustang chassis since the 1980s. However, that doesn't mean Ford went by my own personal schedule, does it? ;)



Exactly! :bow:



FWIW: There has been evry hint thrown out imaginable regarding a Mustang competitor from GM. Even people inside GM have skirted the edge and gone about as far as they can go on the internet (which BTW, is just like talking to the press). Anyone who thinks Bob Lutz is going to drop by here, and say "We're secretly working on a Camaro" isn't being realistic. At the same time, there are plenty of people here, including myself, that know there's no reason for pessimism. ;)


When something gets to Bob Lutz's level and he approves it, it goes to GM's product board for final approval. If it clears, it is likely to be out 18 months later (assuming cost cutters don't create yet another quality "issue"). Until it gets to that point, it's "under study" or "being looked at". If it's not being considered, that's what it means.

Bob Lutz is on record saying a Camaro-like car is "under study".

What the hell do you think that means?! :rolleyes:

Ok. So what's your best guess when we'll hear that GM has approved the Camaro?

Ok. So what's your best guess when we'll hear that GM has approved the Camaro?

Camaro? Let's call it Mustang's competitor. :lol:

Approvals can always be delayed. There's too many people in GM's pipeline who have the power to sidetrack things almost on a whim. GM's large 2008 RWD coupes & sedans would have needed final approval last January but were delayed and we got word of it shortly afterwards.

Otherwise, all things aside my best guess?

Less than 10 months. ;)

Less than 10 months. ;)

06 NAIAS?

Camaro? Let's call it Mustang's competitor. :lol:

Approvals can always be delayed. There's too many people in GM's pipeline who have the power to sidetrack things almost on a whim. GM's large 2008 RWD coupes & sedans would have needed final approval last January but were delayed and we got word of it shortly afterwards.

Otherwise, all things aside my best guess?

Less than 10 months. ;)
I don't care what you call it. I call it Camaro - you call it Mustang Competitor. It's all the same for me, as I have nothing to lose (or tell) by using the name.

Based on your response, and doing a little math, January 06 sounds about right (7 months is less than 10 months and fits with the beginning of the Auto Show circuit). 18 months beyond that would mean it hits the showrooms in the summer of 07 as a MY 2008. Sounds reasonable?

In GM's defense, if they said "yeah we've got this great new Camaro hitting the streets in 2007", that would give Ford ample time to fix any complaints on the new Mustang, or improve it; Or if DCX is still on the fence regarding a performance coupe, it could light a fire under them...

Do guys think Ford and DCX can't put 2+2 together on their own? Are they really waiting for GM to say something about a Camaro before they plan a response? Sure, I don't think GM should be public about things until they need to as well, but you guys are acting like Ford is going to get hit by a wall of bricks when GM does show their hand. They do have sources of their own. Really, if we can read it on this board... :rolleyes:

guionM:

Only problem with that analogy is that those cars were still being produced, so it's not really valid in this discussion IMO. A better one would be when the T-Bird ended in 1997 and Ford immediately announced that the car was not dead but would be coming back in a different form. There was no "secret", and if that is G.M.'s strategy, to keep a car that customers want under wraps until the last possible second, then it is another idiotic blunder in their long tradition as a lot of their customers will have moved on. All they have to say is "hey, we have another Camaro on the way but want to make sure it is as good as it can be before it is released" and people would wait.

06 NAIAS?

I think we should hear something before the 2006 auto show season is over, which would be April......... 10 months from now.

The UAW don't have their negotiations till 2007, but the CAW has their's this year. ;)

l...but the CAW has their's this year. ;)

Within about a month right?

guionM:

Only problem with that analogy is that those cars were still being produced, so it's not really valid in this discussion IMO. A better one would be when the T-Bird ended in 1997 and Ford immediately announced that the car was not dead but would be coming back in a different form. There was no "secret", and if that is G.M.'s strategy, to keep a car that customers want under wraps until the last possible second, then it is another idiotic blunder in their long tradition as a lot of their customers will have moved on. All they have to say is "hey, we have another Camaro on the way but want to make sure it is as good as it can be before it is released" and people would wait.

Actually Ford didn't announce that the car was coming back in a different form. What Ford actually said was that the Thunderbird name "may" return on a future car down the line. That's almost verbatium what GM said about the Camaro and what Ford is once again saying about the now discontinued...again... Thunderbird.

It's easy to forget living on this and other enthusiasts boards that in all likelihood, there's probally 99.999%+ of potential car buyers who don't pay attention to press releases or announcements about future cars. There's what? 25-30,000 Camaro's sold it's final year (not to mention the million or 2 on the road from previous years), and perhaps less than 50 of us who regularly check on this 5th gen thread?

As far as saying that you want to make sure a car is as good as it can be before releasing, why in the world would any maker want to say something like that? I wouldn't. And people won't wait. Again, living on an enthusiast website can distort reality.

If you are a hard core enthusiast, then you are going to wait for whatever particular car that's your favorite. If you are a person looking for the best machine, you really don't give a flying hoot what is coming 2 or 3 years from now. Even though I have a pretty good idea what's coming down the line, even I'm still likely to buy a Mustang or GTO before then.

No one talks officially or via press releases about future models. They only allude to them, and you have to read between the lines and use a little logic or common sense. The only recent exceptions have been Pontiac's Solstice, Ford's GT, & Cadillac's STS & XLR. All other cars (even from Chrysler & Ford) had no official announcements or press releases till 1 to 2 years before production.

Sorry Scott. It's frustrating if you don't like reading clues, or like blunt info, but that's the way it is, and not only at GM.

It ain't gonna change. :no:

No one's ever denied anything on this subject.

Has anyone ever said "We will not be making a Camaro"? What has been said is that there "are no plans...", and of late via Bob Lutz himself, there hasn't been a Camaro "approved" for future production.

What's the GD holdup? Are they "studying" whether or not the new Mustang is really selling that many models per month?




What if back in the 1985 Ford announced the 1987 Mustang 5.0 was going to get a power bump up to 225hp? What if GM had announced in 1990 that the '93 Z28 would have a 275 horse engine directly from the Corvette?

You will NOT hear an advance notice from GM (just like you won't from any other car company) regarding a car in a hotly contested segment, giving others a chance to react before the fact. Weren't they going to actually replace the Mustang with the Probe until people started threatening a coup?

How much advance "official" word did we recieve on the new Corvette?Hey, at least we knew there was going to actually be one made.

Ford didn't even show a concept version of the Mustang and start talking about the new one until just 18 months before it was in showrooms.


True, but they never said that the car was on the line. It was expected that there would be a new Mustang.


And I was waiting for a new Mustang chassis since the 1980s. However, that doesn't mean Ford went by my own personal schedule, does it? ;) I'm saying that I will have received a full college education and some high school education in the same timeframe it took to develop a car.

Lips will loosen soon.

ummmmmmm..... just guessing. ;)

[singing voice]Oh Can-a-da...[/singing voice]

;)

[singing voice]Oh Can-a-da...[/singing voice]

;)
[singing voice]..when does your union contract negotiations start...[/singing voice]

What's the GD holdup? Are they "studying" whether or not the new Mustang is really selling that many models per month?

The wait has more to do with co-ordinating than anything else. There's no need to approve something 3 years out if it only takes 18 months to get it done once approved. Until then, the more time you have to go over something, the better you make it. There's nothing else to do while cooling your heels, right?


Weren't they going to actually replace the Mustang with the Probe until people started threatening a coup?

Yep. That's why there were no changes made to the Mustang after 1987 beyond small or mandated changes. Ford was going to let it die out.

Hey, at least we knew there was going to actually be one made.

Via the rumor mill, just like you know there's going to be a new Camaro via the rumor mill.

True, but they never said that the car was on the line. It was expected that there would be a new Mustang.

Just like we can expect a new Camaro.

I'm saying that I will have received a full college education and some high school education in the same timeframe it took to develop a car.

Since it takes at least 5 years to develop a new car from the ground up, where's the problem????

Lips will loosen soon.

ummmmmmm..... just guessing. ;)
[singing voice]Oh Can-a-da...[/singing voice]

;)

Yep! :lol:

Lutz's use of studying is very bad.
Cant study for a test that already happend.
GM missed the first test back in 65, and its missing the one in 05.

I dont understand the phenomenon....YOU MADE THE CAR FOR 35 F*CKING YEARS!!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO KNOW? Im getting antsy, but in all reality, lease isnt up on the Maxx for another 3 years, so Ill sit tight. :)
Sorry about the semi-rant.

Lutz's use of studying is very bad.
Cant study for a test that already happend.
GM missed the first test back in 65, and its missing the one in 05.

You do realize that the term "studying" in this case is just a cover-up of what is really going on? ;)

Just a few thoughts. Why are you guys dropping subtle hints that the name won't be Camaro? Is it because union contracts disallow the use of the name, or is it that they don't want the mullet aura that surrounds the name and are going to change it to something else?

Also, I find it very interesting how much all of my Ford buddies (most of them turned to the dark side) always talk about the return of the Camaro. they even want it back. It's just that among all of GM's products besides the 'Vette, everyone talks about the Camaro's return. and I'm not talking about on this board. I'm talking about all of my acquaintences (sp?) in the performance vehicle world.

I son't see why GM even has to think about whether they should make it or not.