Mustang selling over 15,000 units per month!

http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/mustang1e_20050601.htm

I wonder how much of that 15,000/ month, a new Camaro would eat into.

I'm seeing a LOT of the new mustangs on the road now.

Even though the Cobalt is selling 7000 more cars per month, I don't see as many, but that will change soon.

Dan

I'm seeing a LOT of the new mustangs on the road now.

Even though the Cobalt is selling 7000 more cars per month, I don't see as many, but that will change soon.

Dan

It's easy to overlook the Cobalts. Mustang's stick out and are more noticable. Probably why you've seen more.

The Mustang convertable is EVERYWHERE. I see more 2005 convertables then sn95's!!! Thats got to be stuffing a little extra profit in fords pocket. I still need to test drive the vert. I am afraid I may end up buying it. Not sure thats something I want to do right now but I cant be sure I have the will power!

An interesting note...
I was in North Carolina for the Coca-Cola 600 last weekend. I was shocked at the number of '05 Mustangs on the road. Most were V6's, but I saw probably 6-8 GT's.

Also, I periodically stop in the local lots in hopes of seeing one sitting around for me to ogle. Surprisingly, on my way to the bank today, I stopped at Oasis Ford in Old Bridge. They had three GT's on the lot (yellow, silver and white). Since they came out, I hadn't seen a dealer with any GT's sitting available. Oasis had a GT in the showroom a few months ago, and I hadn't seen one since.
S.

I thought the GT was too slow for me till I saw this package just announced.

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29196

Yeah sure you gotta bust the warranty. But even waiting out the 3/36, it's good to see what the potential is in this car.

Is that engine designed for boost, similar to the '03-'04 Cobras?

Dan

Is that engine designed for boost, similar to the '03-'04 Cobras?

Dan

Probably nothing like the 03-04 snakes, but it should be capable of decent levels of boost.

Mustang's all over the place. I pulled into 7-11 this morning and saw two different GT's parked there. On the way to the mall over weekend, they were all over the place..

Shhh....Don't tell GM....there is no market for this type of car....Shhhh!!!!!

I see at least half a dozen everyday.

Man its rediculous how many there are...I dont want to own one right now just because theres so many...maybe a few years down the line I would buy one....

I wonder how much of that 15,000/ month, a new Camaro would eat into.

As someone posted in another thread the Mustang gained no sales when the F-twins bit the dust, so I am guessing the Mustang would lose very little if any sales from a new camaro.

As someone posted in another thread the Mustang gained no sales when the F-twins bit the dust, so I am guessing the Mustang would lose very little if any sales from a new camaro.

Yeah, but that previous Mustang was already old by that point so I'm not surprised.

Dan

I knew it. Ford has a runaway best seller. People love the new Mustang. The only complaint I would have is that it's a little too big. But you can't argue with success.

Hey, what was that GM was saying about the "shrinking" sports car market?

Eatin' crowe baby.

I must say, I love what Ford did with the new Mustang.(the rear end still needs a little work though)

Besides the classic Mustangs, the other Mustangs I like are the generation that was around in '95 or so. They can look so dang mean black with a nice wide set of tires on 17's. They make a beautiful street car.

The GT500 is very cool.

I'm not a big fan of Fords, but the new Mustang is hard to deny.

Dan

Hey, what was that GM was saying about the "shrinking" sports car market? Well, I'm sure that's what all the focus groups told them.

This just goes to show you how big a mistake it was to kill off the Camaro and cast its fans aside. If Ford keeps the Mustangs reliable, why would these new Mustang owners ever come back to GM...Especially the vast majority for whom ultimate horsepower isn't the most important priority.


Ford has a backlog of 14,000 retail orders, and about 30,000 dealer orders. So the Mustang is essentially sold out until the 2006 model year.

Damn.

GO MUSTANG!!!

you hearing the hoofbeat GM?????

Im sure your research group would say the Scion brand would be a bust too..and the RWD 300C and the Magnum

Wooptie do.


McDonalds sells alot of hamburgers.



Best burger in town ? :no:

Wooptie do.


McDonalds sells alot of hamburgers.



Best burger in town ? :no:


It automatically is the best if no other burger is sold in town.

It automatically is the best if no other burger is sold in town.

Or you can put it like this...

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is King.

It automatically is the best if no other burger is sold in town.

yea...its the Kauhuna Burger!

Even though the Cobalt is selling 7000 more cars per month, I don't see as many, but that will change soon.


cobalt is selling 23,000 cars a month.

This is another win for RWD :bow:

Wooptie do.


McDonalds sells alot of hamburgers.



Best burger in town ? :no:


Another head in the sand Camaro owner of the type I once ridiculed! :lol:

As I said when I had one for a week, the Mustang is pretty impressive. The V6 is as quick as the old 5.0s, the GTs are well into LS1 territory, and it still looks great & turns heads (who here doesn't automatically focus on the grill for the fog lights to identify a GT?).

cobalt is selling 23,000 cars a month.

This is another win for RWD :bow:
Ya lost me on that one. :think:

Ya lost me on that one. :think:

Yeah, me too.

I said that the Cobalt is selling 7000 MORE cars per month than the mustang. Maybe he thought I was saying that the cobalt was only selling 7000 cars per month?

I don't know. I'm lost on that too. Maybe it's because the Mustang is only 7000-8000 cars shy of the cobalt each month?

Dan

Another head in the sand Camaro owner of the type I once ridiculed! :lol:

As I said when I had one for a week, the Mustang is pretty impressive. The V6 is as quick as the old 5.0s, the GTs are well into LS1 territory, and it still looks great & turns heads (who here doesn't automatically focus on the grill for the fog lights to identify a GT?).

? So what does that have to do with sales ?

So McDonalds has billions and billions served because it sticks to what its fan base wants. Besides some tweaks to the menus and a occasional special it churns out tons of burgers sticking to a basic equation. Some people love them to death, some don't.
Even if its a #5 supersized with a coke i'm still not that impressed. Even if they sell a ton of them.

i don't think it will be an f-body when they bring it back :shrug:
i wouldn't mind this, if they made it a good car. if GM can resurect the older days of mopar era performance. hemi's, 440's, in what ever you wanted, then i would praise them.

I dont think that it was a mistake to kill the 4th gen, but I wish that they sat down and rethought what a Camaro was, and what made Mustang successful.
They didnt, and the Camaro turned into a 4 seater Vette.
They killed off a car that was slowly dying. I dont think that if Camaro continued on a moddified Fbody platform, that it would be selling at levels like th eMustang is now, or even close. It would have probably hoverd around 80k units, maybe, and then we would be here bitching how GM needs to create a new Camaro.
I dont think that GM is sitting back anymore, and that if anything, they are pushing harder then ever to get the RIGHT coupe to market.

I dont think that GM is sitting back anymore, and that if anything, they are pushing harder then ever to get the RIGHT coupe to market.

So you're saying they've just started leaning a little in that direction? :D

Well, I belive that there were some, if not a large group of people that still didnt belive the Mustang's sucess, but I think that most of them are now going ot push for a Camaro type vehicle. Then there will be some that will say "well, its just cause its new, it will loose its appeal over time", but to me thats just more reason to make a MONDERN Camaro. So with its innitial success, the Camaro will continue to gain sales after people get tired of there 45 year old Mustangs. :D

45? 2005-45=1960 (1961 if you go by model years)
mustang didn't come out til 1963

45? 2005-45=1960 (1961 if you go by model years)
mustang didn't come out til 1963

April 17, 1964, to be exact.

April 17, 1964, to be exact.
thank you :)

Shhh....Don't tell GM....there is no market for this type of car....Shhhh!!!!!

GM blew it. :rolleyes:

So with its innitial success, the Camaro will continue to gain sales after people get tired of there 45 year old Mustangs. :D
45? 2005-45=1960 (1961 if you go by model years)
mustang didn't come out til 1963

With saying "will continue to gain sales", that put this scenario in the future a few years. After the camaro comes out and after the initial success, while the camaro is still gaining sales. Thats when he was talking about, and yes, that would be around 45 years or close enough. But who really cares.

By the time the Camaro gets to market the retro thing just might have worn out. GM should be taking into account future styling trends when they design the new Camaro beyond the retro revival. I still thing that styling nuances from the 1967-68 Camaro should be built into the new car, but going as far as Ford did might not be a good idea three years from now.

Ford got rid of the boy racer fake scoops of the last mustang, made the chassis much more rigid, added a classic roofline, tuned suspension, decent V6 power and a 300hp GT V8 and BAM! 200,000 unit sales a year. GM has nothing to answer for this car. Maybe thats why GM is heading down to about 25% of market share.

By the time the Camaro gets to market the retro thing just might have worn out. GM should be taking into account future styling trends when they design the new Camaro beyond the retro revival. I still thing that styling nuances from the 1967-68 Camaro should be built into the new car, but going as far as Ford did might not be a good idea three years from now.

3 years after the ultra moderen 4th gen Camaro was out sales were fading, and after '98 the F-body was in a freefall. PT Cruiser still sells 100K annually over 6 years after it's been out.

Retro isn't going away because it has it's roots farther back than you (and alot of other people) think. The early 80s Chrysler Imperial, the late 70s Cadillac Seville, the early 70s Buick Riviera, the Mustang II, the Dodge Viper, & the SN95 Mustang pop instantly into mind. A case can be made that the new Corvette and Chrysler 300 are also retro designs.

Retro is like any other design. Some have legs and look great or are timeless, others don't. Once a car's design has gotten worn in, it's up to the vehicle itself to keep things going.

The PT is extremely practical, the T-bird offered very little beyond style and a tricked out Lincoln LS instrament panel.

The Mustang is not only very performance & aftermarket oriented, Ford is going to keep things going with special editions throughout it's life cycle.

No doubt the 5th gen Camaro will make a big impact, and will no doubt sell in very high numbers (barring the bad timing of a US recession). But it's going to be up to GM to keep the car fresh through timely restylings or at the very least, a very heavy aftermarket and personalization network.

I'm happy to see that the Mustang is selling so well.

Proves a point.

3 years after the ultra moderen 4th gen Camaro was out sales were fading, and after '98 the F-body was in a freefall. PT Cruiser still sells 100K annually over 6 years after it's been out.

Retro isn't going away because it has it's roots farther back than you (and alot of other people) think. The early 80s Chrysler Imperial, the late 70s Cadillac Seville, the early 70s Buick Riviera, the Mustang II, the Dodge Viper, & the SN95 Mustang pop instantly into mind. A case can be made that the new Corvette and Chrysler 300 are also retro designs.

Retro is like any other design. Some have legs and look great or are timeless, others don't. Once a car's design has gotten worn in, it's up to the vehicle itself to keep things going.

The PT is extremely practical, the T-bird offered very little beyond style and a tricked out Lincoln LS instrament panel.

The Mustang is not only very performance & aftermarket oriented, Ford is going to keep things going with special editions throughout it's life cycle.


For every "retro" car that "failed" after a couple of years I can name 10 non retro cars that suffered the same fate. Fashion is fickle. If the car doesn't offer anything other than fashion (modern, retro or whatever), expect sales to drop. In the case of the mustang, it's a great car for the money, so I don't think Ford will have trouble keeping them moving in later years.

According to Bob Luts, GM is "studying".... Hope they are taking notes. :rolleyes:

It's easy to overlook the Cobalts. Mustang's stick out and are more noticable. Probably why you've seen more.
That's what I was thinking too! I see a ton of Cobalts on the road here. My GF's son wants a Cobalt SS real bad. I had a new Met. red 6 cyl mustang in front of me on the way out of E-town last night. Some guys were hanging out in the parking lot, when we went by, they yelled out to the driver, " why get the 6 cyl." I'll be nice and not say what I said! ;) They do stand out though, I'll give them that much. Also I saw a new saleen yesterday black w/ silver stripes, I couldn't help thinking with what he must have paid he could have got a lightly used C5 or maybe even a base C6. Saleens seem to always be too much money and not enough power! :confused: It did look nice, I guess that is what you are paying for! We need a New gen Camaro very, very Bad! :mad: :cry:

3 years after the ultra moderen 4th gen Camaro was out sales were fading, and after '98 the F-body was in a freefall. PT Cruiser still sells 100K annually over 6 years after it's been out.

Retro isn't going away because it has it's roots farther back than you (and alot of other people) think. The early 80s Chrysler Imperial, the late 70s Cadillac Seville, the early 70s Buick Riviera, the Mustang II, the Dodge Viper, & the SN95 Mustang pop instantly into mind. A case can be made that the new Corvette and Chrysler 300 are also retro designs.

Retro is like any other design. Some have legs and look great or are timeless, others don't. Once a car's design has gotten worn in, it's up to the vehicle itself to keep things going.

The PT is extremely practical, the T-bird offered very little beyond style and a tricked out Lincoln LS instrament panel.

The Mustang is not only very performance & aftermarket oriented, Ford is going to keep things going with special editions throughout it's life cycle.

No doubt the 5th gen Camaro will make a big impact, and will no doubt sell in very high numbers (barring the bad timing of a US recession). But it's going to be up to GM to keep the car fresh through timely restylings or at the very least, a very heavy aftermarket and personalization network.


Best response to retro bashing I have ever read. Good points all around.

Best response to retro bashing I have ever read. Good points all around.
I have to agree! :bow:

April 17, 1964, to be exact.

And for extra credit, can you name the location and time of day it was unveiled... :lol:

WERM, I hate to reveal this to you and everyone, but you have the BUG dude.
When you start spouting dates and specs and codes about a car like this, you have an affliction. ;)

And just a casual observation from my perspective, but at all of the cross-brand cars shows I go to, it seems like the Mustang guys are more menstrual about date codes, options, ink marks, and the tiny detail stuff than the GM crowd is. I know GM guys are into "numbers-matching and such", but not to the same degree. Maybe that's why the limited edition cars (like Mach 1, Bullitt, etc) remain so appealing to the Mustang folks. I can't tell you the times you hear "this is 1 of 523 with purple tape stripes" or "this is 1 of 1254 built in Forest Green for this model year".
It almost sounds stupid sometimes, but these guys are seriously into it.

Does the average Camaro/Firebird owner memorize the manufacturing date of their particular car? Do they know the year/month/day Camaro was introduced? Maybe this holds some additional insight into the types of personalities that acquire and utilize these types of cars... idunno.

Back to making fun of WERM... you got it bad pal. You need to get intervention SOON or it will consume your life. I should know! :p

I think the reason for this is there are still people like us that want good american sports cars even though they are gas guzzlers, The reason why mustang is doing so good is because chevy is not there to compete, if they took and new and old mustang and made them one like they did with the mustang i would for sure buy it over the mustang

And just a casual observation from my perspective, but at all of the cross-brand cars shows I go to, it seems like the Mustang guys are more menstrual about date codes, options, ink marks, and the tiny detail stuff than the GM crowd is. I know GM guys are into "numbers-matching and such", but not to the same degree. Maybe that's why the limited edition cars (like Mach 1, Bullitt, etc) remain so appealing to the Mustang folks. I can't tell you the times you hear "this is 1 of 523 with purple tape stripes" or "this is 1 of 1254 built in Forest Green for this model year".
It almost sounds stupid sometimes, but these guys are seriously into it.


The numbered car owners (3rd and 4th gen Firehawks, 4th Gen WS6's and SS's... Berger / GMMG cars) seem to know their numbers. Outside that... I couldn't tell you how many teal thirdgens were made in 1991 and I own one. I'd guess probably about 35,000 ha.

If you really want to talk to guys about numbers, go talk to C1 and C2 guys. My dad cant remember how old I am, but he'll tell you what the intake manifold part number is for a 65 396 and what month a cylinder head was cast in by the part number. It's really cool in a dysfunctional-family sort of way.

My dad cant remember how old I am, but he'll tell you what the intake manifold part number is for a 65 396 and what month a cylinder head was cast in by the part number. It's really cool in a dysfunctional-family sort of way.

I know EXACTLY what you mean! Mine too!

And you are hitting on the point I was trying to make...
Your dad having this bizzarre quality that many others share and then being active in the specialty vehicle arena.
Is this personality-type indicative of the people who tend to buy the unique Mustangs/Camaros/Corvettes, and what other characteristics go along with it?
Neaty-Petey? Perfectionist? Self-motivated? Artistic or Design oriented people?

I think there is more to a niche market than "people wanting RWD V8's with styling", and the SE Mustangs (and hopefully Camaros) should probably become more attuned to this. In my opinion, the days of 200k units of one model are closing - being replaced by cars that might not make but 50k units/year, but instead are offering Personalizations, Limited Editions, Special Features, etc... units that are based on a common vehicle but offer distinction and uniqueness. Stuff like the Z06, GT500, Denali, Eddie Bauer, etc. Even the foreigners are cashing in on it... Toyota with Type R's and sporty Camrys and Honda sport packages on Accords. Chevy has done a nice job with the Street Package on the Colorados - I think it looks awesome.

I really think this is where the future markets are going to be most fruitful
and there needs to be emphasis on this with new car developments going on today for products that we won't see for a few more years. If "Company X" develops a car today that hits the market in 2008/2009 and it has no "customizeable" traits (meaning it is a crude appliance and can't be "prettied-up" by the factory), I think they are in for a rough time.

FYI...May Mustang sales totalled 19,721 (April was 19,559). To put that in perspective, that was more than the Focus (18,047), slightly more than the mainstream Impala (19,411), slightly less than the Malibu (20,514), and about the same as G6, GP, and GTO combined. It was also only a few hundred short of the total Firebirds sold in 2002 (20,613).

Like it or not, retro be damned, the car is selling very, very well - and that's good for all of us, IMHO.

Is there a web site with new car sales figures?

Is there a web site with new car sales figures?

www.media.gm.com
Put the cursor on "news" and swing over to sales & production data and click.
Go to relevent news such as :"GM reports "X" deliveries for the month of May", click, then scroll down.

You'll have both monthly totals and YTD numbers for every model GM makes, including Saab.


www.media.ford.com
Put cursor to "news" (top of page) and click.
Find related news item (example: "FORD MOTOR COMPANY REPORTS MAY U.S. SALES"), and click.

Again, you'll have all sales info for month & Year to date. www.blueovalnews.com also posts Ford's sales numbers when they come out.


Chrysler media requires registration, but you can usually get the numbers from www.allpar.com

And for extra credit, can you name the location and time of day it was unveiled... :lol:

If memory serves me correct, it was the world's fair. I don't know the time.

WERM, I hate to reveal this to you and everyone, but you have the BUG dude. When you start spouting dates and specs and codes about a car like this, you have an affliction. ;)

No Comment.

And just a casual observation from my perspective, but at all of the cross-brand cars shows I go to, it seems like the Mustang guys are more menstrual about date codes, options, ink marks, and the tiny detail stuff than the GM crowd is. I know GM guys are into "numbers-matching and such", but not to the same degree. Maybe that's why the limited edition cars (like Mach 1, Bullitt, etc) remain so appealing to the Mustang folks. I can't tell you the times you hear "this is 1 of 523 with purple tape stripes" or "this is 1 of 1254 built in Forest Green for this model year".
It almost sounds stupid sometimes, but these guys are seriously into it.


Mine was one (#2565) of 5582 Bullits produced, and one of 3041 Mustangs (all were Bullitts) produced in Dark Highland Green (Paint Code PY). It's build sequence was 5507, beginning June 5, 2001 at 3:27:07 PM. Yes, it's an affliction. And yes, I can't remember any other dates in my life.

Does the average Camaro/Firebird owner memorize the manufacturing date of their particular car? Do they know the year/month/day Camaro was introduced? Maybe this holds some additional insight into the types of personalities that acquire and utilize these types of cars... idunno.

Back to making fun of WERM... you got it bad pal. You need to get intervention SOON or it will consume your life. I should know! :p

Nah, I peaked. I'm pretty sure. This is my third and last Mustang. Of course, I said that the last time...

Yup... NY World's Fair - you are correct.

Mine was one (#2565) of 5582 Bullits produced, and one of 3041 Mustangs (all were Bullitts) produced in Dark Highland Green (Paint Code PY). It's build sequence was 5507, beginning June 5, 2001 at 3:27:07 PM. Yes, it's an affliction. And yes, I can't remember any other dates in my life.

Nah, I peaked. I'm pretty sure. This is my third and last Mustang. Of course, I said that the last time...

ROTFLMAO!!!! :D

Kindred spirits, lost souls... we are!

Go to a national show... it's even worse there. I used to go to learn and show, now I think I go to subconsciously convince myself I'm not the craziest one out there! ;)

PS - 10:00am - roughly 2 hours after the front gate opened.