Please don't flame me! Drifting?

I know what you guys are thinking... Dambass kid wants to go yo-boy ricer drifting. Right? Wrong...

I'm 30, wife, kid, another on the way, mortgage, SUV, and 2 project cars.

I attended a drift event recently and really enjoyed myself as a spectator. My daughter had as much fun as me watching the cars slide the rear out with extreme precision.

I was about to sell my '94 Z28 to buy a Nissan 240SX(popular drift car) to get myself into it. But, I remembered an article in GrassRoots Motorsports from about a year and a half ago talking about NASA and SCCA possibly scheduling Drift events. To quote one NASA official as saying, "the hardest part of adding drifting to our program will be convincing all the Mustang and Camaro owners that their cars are perfect drift cars..."

So, I'm starting to modify the car to suit the sport(or whatever you want to call it).

I just installed LS1 front brakes and will turn my attention to suspension and weight reduction. I'm going to try and assemble the complete suspension upgrades and chassis stiffening for under $1000.(remember the mortgage and new baby on the way?) So, I'm looking at one of the adjustable rear sway bar upgrades, and maybe AGX shocks(those two items to keep costs down). Eibach Pro-Kit, larger front sway bar, poly bushings, etc... I will be hunting ebay and this forums classifieds for deals on parts for sure.

I'm a metal fabricator and will likely build my own LCA's and panhard bar, as well as my own torque arm. I'll use 3/4" rodends for all the attaching points. I read through ALL of the suspension forum and it seems the rodend parts are not favored for the street. Is that due to noise, or some other reason? I've built similar suspensions for other cars and not really cared about the noise.

Anyway, enough with the rant. I would just like to represent the 4th gen F-body in drifting. It's getting to be a big deal.

No one will flame you I personally like drifting. The Camaro will be a great project car because you can steer the car with the gas.
As im sure you already know you will be going threw tires like a mofo that dont know.

Should be fun! Z28's get Tailhappy pretty easy... Heck even my V6 can get away from me in the right conditions...

I have run the prokit for awhile but I think there might be a better altertnative. I might consider getting a single rate, rated race spring for the rear. I'm not versed with this sport (drifting) but going aginst my road course setup, a harder rear spring will allow for less weight transfer casuing it to slide easier. The prokit is a great all around spring but when the power is on you do get a fair ammount of weight transfer to the rear and side-to-side. You can get a pair of cheap rated race springs for about 30-40 bucks each. Might be worth loooking into.

I don't think you need to do all this. Just bias what you have for oversteer. Your not setting this up to handle corners well. In fact just the opposite, you want it to handle badly. More power of course would not be a disadvantage.

Actually from my research, I still want a well handling car. Most of the high end Japanese drift tuners build the cars to grip really well. They use power and technique to bring the car into a slide. Maybe with a bias to alittle oversteer. So a set-up for road racing with maybe an adjustable rear swaybar should work equally well. You also want grippy tires for two reasons. First, they give more feedback as to when they are going to let go. Second, they smoke better. I don't want a car that is flailing around. It needs to react precisely to driver inputs. Basically drifting is not about being out of control. It's actually polar opposite. It IS control.

From what I understand about drifting, weight distribution plays a huge factor. I never actually found out what kind of weight distribution an LT1 has, but I don't think it's very good for drifting. I had a friend who regularly races an older celica at local drifting events try and take my bird out, and he ended up doing a legitimate drift once or twice out of maybe 15 tries. So you might want to consider a different car. From what I hear the LS1s have a much better weight distribution.

As for the weight distribution comment, if you were to split hairs, the LS1 is better, but the difference is negligable.

Anyway, to preface, since there are about 2 local F-Body guys who actually do non-drag-race track events, I hang out on my local 240sx board where theres more (hate to say it) real racing guys. :p

I know you are asking about car setup, but what a lot of new guys overlook is seat time. Drifting skill is DIRECTLY related to drifting experience. You can throw $10k in parts at your car and if you dont have the seat time you are still going to suck. Case in point: At the last local drift event, a semi-professional drifter decided it would be fun to drift the Lincoln Town Car he was currently RENTING (Read: stock mushy suspension, heavy as hell, rental abused motor, etc). You have never seen anything so amazing as a stock body-rolling Town Car executing a drift at 80 mph. He was literally the best drifter out there.

So I would recommend taking half the money you budgeted for parts and go sign up for a drift day.

And sort of an FYI....when a guy comes out to drift with a fully built car and really sucks, he is generally regarded as a checkbook champion. In other words, your car should reflect your skill level. Sounds cheezy but if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense.

Good luck


PS - Yes F-Bodies would make great drift cars. They are RWD and make gobs of torque. The 4-cyl drifters use turbos because turbos make more torque than anything else on a 4-cyl.

I want to go out and drift mine but I havent been able to bring myself to beat up my car. Drifting, your car WILL get beat up....

You've made a great point. One I may have overlooked. I don't want to show up at a drift event with my car looking like it's a total professionally built "Drift" car. What a joke that would be. I probably couldn't even get it to slide my first time around the track! Or, just spin-out alot! I DO need to put some SFC's in and probably a roll bar to stiffen the sloppy T-Top chassis.

Sub-frame connectors, yes. Roll bar, not exactly necessary. The T-top cars are the same deal as the LT1 vs LS1 weight distribution....yes the hard top is stiffer, but to say that it is better than a t-top to any noticable or significant degree is really splitting hairs

good luck and let us know how you do at your first drift day!

Actually from my research, I still want a well handling car. Most of the high end Japanese drift tuners build the cars to grip really well. They use power and technique to bring the car into a slide. Maybe with a bias to alittle oversteer. So a set-up for road racing with maybe an adjustable rear swaybar should work equally well. You also want grippy tires for two reasons. First, they give more feedback as to when they are going to let go. Second, they smoke better. I don't want a car that is flailing around. It needs to react precisely to driver inputs. Basically drifting is not about being out of control. It's actually polar opposite. It IS control.

Well this may be what the Japs. do, but I still think your wrong. The object of a sports suspension is to maintain control to as high a speed as possible by limiting slip. Both under and over steer. The object of drifting is to loose control by over steer "sliding". The only control required is thottle control.
One of the best drifters in the U.S. drives an El Camino. Little weight on the rear with all the polar movement around the nose. Having a "loose" suspension allows you to start drifting sooner or at a lower speed. Giving you more drift time. Like most of what the ricers do, I dont think they understand this any more then they understand what spoilers are for. If they did they would all be driving old turbo Porsches, one of the best natural drifting cars in the world.

You bring up some good points. I have decided to not make any changes to my suspension other than SFC's and basic maintenance for the time being. BTW, the gentleman with the El Camino is a member of a forum I frequent.

Well this may be what the Japs. do, but I still think your wrong. The object of a sports suspension is to maintain control to as high a speed as possible by limiting slip. Both under and over steer. The object of drifting is to loose control by over steer "sliding". The only control required is thottle control.
One of the best drifters in the U.S. drives an El Camino. Little weight on the rear with all the polar movement around the nose. Having a "loose" suspension allows you to start drifting sooner or at a lower speed. Giving you more drift time. Like most of what the ricers do, I dont think they understand this any more then they understand what spoilers are for. If they did they would all be driving old turbo Porsches, one of the best natural drifting cars in the world.

umm no offense, but I dont think you know a whole lot about what youre talking about....

Type drift "el camino" in google and you get...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=drift+%22el+camino%22&btnG=Search
...nothing but junk, and a couple drifting sites that mentionin in a single sentence some guy who happened to enter an el camino in a drift day...

The first and most successful US professional drifter is Rhys Millen, and he drives a very heavily modified GTO. With MINOR rear suspension tweaks, that car will destroy everyone on this board on a road course...

Type gto drift in google and you get...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=gto+drift
...52000 links on Rhys Millen and Furmulo D and gto drift cars and etc etc etc. Dang. :p

You DO want control with drifting. In fact it is the untimate in control. The only time drifters set their car up to be out of control (bald and/or small rear tires, suspension adjustments, etc) is when they are in a stock motor 240sx or AE86 with no HP and no torque. Then, its about a million times earier to innitiate a drift with a near uncontrollable car. But a lot of guys even with such underpowered, poorly set-up cars, will amaze you with the control they can exhibit. Trust me.

Having a "loose" suspension allows you to start drifting sooner or at a lower speed. Giving you more drift time.
This is almost completely untrue. When drifting, you want to have as much speed as you can, since while in drift, you are loosing speed somewhat quickly. Higher speeds make for longer drifts. Lower speeds are not desireable, as you said. And higher speeds necessitate a "tight" suspension, to use your terminology.

Like most of what the ricers do, I dont think they understand this any more then they understand what spoilers are for.
Well this is pretty ignorant. If you're talking about the kid down the street with his stock civic and a 2 foot wing, yes, he does not know what a wing is for. However, the wings on professional drift cars are functional. Dont believe me? ok

If they did they would all be driving old turbo Porsches, one of the best natural drifting cars in the world I'm first going to assume you are talking about front engine rear wheel drive porche, because attempting to drift a MR car is rediculous.

So lets think about this for a second... Drifting originated in Japan. So they use Japanese cars. Just like Nascar originated in America, so they use American cars. Weird.

Also: sooner or later, drifting will lead to wrecking. Do you really want to source old ass Porche body parts all the time?

Lastly: old porches are ugly. Period. ;)

I'll use 3/4" rodends for all the attaching points. I read through ALL of the suspension forum and it seems the rodend parts are not favored for the street. Is that due to noise, or some other reason? I've built similar suspensions for other cars and not really cared about the noise.



The problem with rod ends is that unless you are willing to spend $50 to $70 apiece for an aurora stainless three-piece rod end with teflon insert, you will find that the constant vibration, dust, and moisture will cause the rod end to loosen up within a few thousand miles. Once it does, it becomes a major source of banging, clunking, and rattling. My rod ends are shot after only 5000 miles, since I chose mid-level rod ends: The ones that came with my Spohn suspension pieces.

This summer I will be converting to Aurora aircraft quality rod ends, along with some precision steel shoulder bolts. Hopefully they will last longer and stay quieter! If that doesnt work, I will toss out the rod ends and go back to poly or high durometer rubber bushings. A NEW rod-end suspension is actually rather quiet. It's when they get sloppy that they get really, really noisy.

shoot dude i love drifting.Me and my buddy tom go out almost every sunday with his V-6 camaro and drift on back roads.....

I believe that a stiff suspension in the back and lots of torque will allow you to slide the rear easier. Mabye use some race springs and larger sway bar in the back. But the most valuable thing you can do to learn how to drift is seat time. Good luck.

Having a stiff suspension in the back is good...but not ONLY in the back. You want a very even and equal set up to have a good drift car. Also you'd want the weight balance to be as close to 50/50 as possible. You don't want a car that the back end will just fly around like nothing. You want a car that is stable and does what YOU want it to do. Tuning a car for drifting is very similar to tuning a car for grip just a little different. This is gonna shock some people but...you actually WANT a car that can grip.

I'm guessing a lot of people will think I don't know what I'm talking about and that's cool. I've been in a 9 month hiatus from the world of drifting. At the May drift session that was held here in Hawaii. One of the top drifters in the world Katsuhiro Ueo (sift/yukes AE86) drove my car. He loved it and told me that I tuned an extremely good drift car. He just told me that I need better rear tires. My friend asked him later on what he thought about my car and he replied "Put me in that car at D1...and I'll win"

Here's a pic of me at the DS...this was at around 65mph...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/REVLIMIT/90.jpg

I actually think we're all saying the same thing, just talking cross terms.
Sandman mentioned Rhys Millen who was just on "Test Drive", driving the new 05 GTO with the host. They looked to be having a lot of fun sliding the cars all over the track.
Rhys said that people are always supprised that so much of the GTO is stock. And mentioned the read end and gear ratio, the trans, wheels, and most of the suspension. He did say that they tuned or tweaked (i.e. modded) the suspension and heavily modded the engine. They also lightened the car. He then said something about Hp and Torque over coming other faults.
If you go to his WEB site and look under GTO, he only offers springs, sway bars, and a suspension controller, under the Suspension heading. Under the Engine heading there is a twin turbo set up. It would seem from this, that he is a lot more concerned about HP, then turning he's car into a sports racer. One other thing, you'll notice from the WEB site that he is running on high performance tires, but NOT on racing tires.
So the bottom line on all this is that I think you can take a basically stock Camaro (esp. an LE-1 or SS) with some engine mods. and have a pretty good drifter.
STL REVLIMIT really nice car, not that I'd be partial to third Gens.) What tires do you run?

They did a little more than lighten that car. They completely tore it down and pretty much rebuilt everything. Theres videos of it out there somewhere...

So the bottom line on all this is that I think you can take a basically stock Camaro (esp. an LE-1 or SS) with some engine mods. and have a pretty good drifter.
This is so unbelievable wrong its almost funny. Yes, you will have the ability to drift with a stock car, but it its not going to be fun, easy, or pretty. SO I would not say that is a "good" drift car... F-Bodies are pigs with a dated suspension design. Both of these make for pretty poor handling stock cars. Drifting is about CONTROL, and control is about SUSPENSION SUSPENSION SUSPENSION ! ! ! Which, in stock form, we lack.


umm no offense, but I dont think you know a whole lot about what youre talking about....

restated for emphasis.

:p

Cool, alot happens when ou go away for a little while! I fully PLAN on making my car grip. It is dead stock right now. I'm going to upgrade the front and the rear. I'm going to stick with the stock wheels for now since tires are so cheap for them. I have 17x9 SS wheels, but those tires are damn expensive for sliding. Good to hear from the Hawaii guy. I've heard that same story told on another forum. What I don't want to do is show up with a pro drifter "looking" car and end up spinning around or worse, not even sliding at all. The guy who was talking about building an ill handling car for drifting, I'm sorry to say really doesn't know what he is talking about. Mikes El Camino is well handling car. You don't see alot of body roll while he's whipping it around. You don't rely on a fumbling suspension to slide, you rely on clutch kicking and e-brake to help induce a slide. Other methods are used but these are the common for high powered cars.

drifting el camino:

www.bubbadrift.com

I'm the guy who owns the 'el camino' , i've been on this board for several years :)

Drifting is new and there is a lot of mis-information out there. A 50/50 weight balance is a good thing, our el co is probably about 55/45 and if we had the budget we would work on it more.

Don't go over board on buildin your car up, get to as many events as you can. Make it reliable and with a decent radiator. Then go have fun :D

I'm sorry i can't post more, we are about to head on the road to go to the Cleveland Grand Prix (CHAMP cars, we will be there to put on a demo witth some other FD drivers).

go to our site for videos and pics. www.BubbaDrift.com

thanks,
james

drifting is to racing skill

as WWF is to fighting skill

well.. you can make this argument.. drifting and racing do require very good car control - the ability to drive and control the car at the limits.. So, a good drifter, may make a good racer, if they switched over and trained for racing..

Several of the drifters are famous racers, example Rhys Millen. Drifting requires a great amount of car control, my drivers all got their start auto-crossing (which they are very good at).

You can't buy your way into drifting like you can other motorsports. If you suck at most forms of racing, you just go slower. If you suck at drifting it is obvious - you spin or don't have any angle.

Most people don't really understand drifting yet, they don't understand the competitions or the scoring, give it more time. :)

some info and videos here, some of the elcamino mentioned and alot of toher cars.

theres an 05 mustang out tehre driftng for falken tires as well.

I would just hate to put my car into the rail...:P

http://www.powerslideways.com/updates.html

:rolleyes: Reminds me of why I post in other AX/RR forums...we don't allow "drifting yo!" to pollute our forums.

:rolleyes: Reminds me of why I post in other AX/RR forums...we don't allow "drifting yo!" to pollute our forums.

If you're refering to me as a yo boy ricer, bark up another tree. Re-read the first post in this thread. Be a prick elsewere. Did you mother not teach you that if you had nothing nice to say, don't say it? Thanks for your technical input. You don't allow drifting to pollute "your" forums, but yet you pollute this one with crap like that...

Well, my opinion is to find a better car for drifting. I think the Z28 will be too difficult to learn on and too expensive to setup right. I think you should look for a car that has a good weight distribution and makes lots of torque. From there you spend a few hundred bucks on the suspension and another few hundred bucks on a set of tires.

A lot of people say to learn to drift in the rain, to keep the cost of new tires down. Might not be a bad idea.

I think of drifting as the motorsports equivalent of figure skating, but I'd still love to give it a try in a car that I wouldn't mind beating the hell out of. Looks too destructive to do in a car that I actually cared about.

i had a 91 240sx setup for drifting. drifting was pretty fun but i traded it for another car and money

hey, sorry to drag this thread back up, but read some things here that reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllly needed to be corrected for anyone looking to get into drifting

1) seat time > * , if you car has a limited slip and 4 wheels/tires its good enough to learn

2) abuse, add some oil (drifting creates slosh like no other) make sure your cooling system is at 110%, add some water wetter and go at it.

3) car setup

to whoever said somethign to the effect of " you want the car to be out of control because drifting is out of control and a good roadrace setup woudnt work", wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. just putting a rear swaybar and some stiff springs in the back sure the car will oversteer, and be extremely snappy and spin out a lot. you want the car to be stable, predictable and handle as well as possible, you do NOT want a snappy uncontrollable beast, drifting is about control and precision, the car shoudl be modified to accomodate that.

4) "power and stock suspension"

no. just, no. power helps, body roll doesnt.

focus on seat time, if you find yourself wanting to mod the car get some swaybars and springs/shocks, modify the steering for more angle, and put a spool or something in it for a lsd if you really get into it, may also wanna buy a small class 1 hitch and a small tire trailer, 4th gens arent known for their luggage capacity. but get out there and get seat time, easy way to find local events is go to

www.driftday.com if you poke around the site they have links to drifting sanctions all over the nation, as well as www.usdrift.com <- NASA drift organization.


anywyas sorry to drag this thread up, just wanted to emphasize a couple things in case anyone wanted to try drifting out, its really a fun time and a total blast.

and the flames

O-taka

"drifting is to racing skill

as WWF is to fighting skill "

well girls like guys with skills, so i guess that eliminates you on both accounts.

WOT
"Reminds me of why I post in other AX/RR forums...we don't allow "drifting yo!" to pollute our forums. "

sorry your stubborn/ignorant enough to feel this way. its jsut a bunch of stupid kids anyways. grow up.

Wow...exactly what I was saying....weird, huh guys? :rolleyes:

Well said mikespeed

Definately listen to Sandman, Mikespeed, and Revlimit. Dont let the naysayers deter you. If it looks like fun and you want to do it, go for it. Thats pretty much how I got into this sport. Revlimit showed me and I thought it looked like alot of fun so I gave it a try and got hooked. The only bad thing about using a F-body is they are relatively new to the sport so there are alot of unknowns. Nothing is wrong with the car itself or the aftermarket potential, its just that not alot of people have used them, so not alot of people know what to do. This can probably be said for alot of domestics cars. I try to understand the concepts the Japan guys use and try to apply it to my car and see what happens. One thing I've learned is that this sport rewards balance, be it weight distribution, cornerweighting, handling characteristics, steering, anything. A balanced car is more consistent and easier to control. I would say focus on chassis strength, suspension, brakes and cooling. You dont need alot of power to have fun in this sport. You also dont need alot of expensive aftermarket parts. Of course that stuff helps make you competitive or makes it more fun, but not required to give it a try and learn. All you need is seat time like these guys are saying. I used a bone stock POS 89 Camaro RS to learn and it was great, had a blast. I recommend you do no mods, take the car out to a drifting event on stock everything and see what you can do. Once you have a feel for the car, then decide on what mods to do next and do em. Then drive it again and feel the difference. This is a great way to learn in my opinion.

I haven't updated www.powerslideways.com in a long time. Nobody really got interested so I kind of lost interest in the website. I'm in the process of making some updates, pretty soon it will just be a place for pics, vids, and info. Not so much of a "club" or anything like that. Feel free to visit the forums.

I have fun all the time when it gets rainy out with my 90 240sx. It's an open diff but I always run bald tires so it slides out on demand with little clutch work at all. I can hold slides as long as the turn demands and usually come out in a great position to do a follow up slide.

I've gotten some decent slides with my camaro, maybe 2-5 seconds around an on-ramp, but the biggest problem is weight. My camaro is 800 pounds heavier then my 240 and it screams it. Whereas the 240 can be flicked back and forth and you always feel comfortable with it, the camaro always feels like it's on edge, and I think a lot of this is due to the amount of weight.

If you notice, those professional drift cars look like professional drag cars, totally bare on the inside.

I know that the less is more weight rule applies to everything with cars, but I just wanted to really drive home how important it is with the feel of the car.

I think its all a matter of perspective and you have to base your style of drifting off of your car's characteristics. I agree that its very important and for the most part less weight is better because the car will be more responsive. But on the other hand more weight builds more momentum meaning you can perform longer slides at lower speeds. On some tracks this can be an advantage but on others a disadvantage. When drifting my Camaro I use alot of weight transfer because its automatic, took me a while to get a feel for catching the car when I throw it around. For the most parts our F-Bodies are very overweight, but if you can get down to the 3000 pound range then you're doing great. There are competitive cars in the drifting scene that weigh 3000 pounds, some even more. But most are lighter, between 2400-2800 pounds. If the car feels like its on the edge its probably the suspension setup or weight distribution. Car tune is second most important thing behind driver abillity. One of the things that makes 240's so good for drifting is the weight distribution is almost perfect from the factory.

Gushi's 05 mustang (he finished 3rd in pooints) weighs around 3200, our el co around 3200 as well. Lighter is better, but not critical - esp at the local level.

Crazy Hawaiian - i should be drifting my 89 IROC ls1/t56 combo soon :)

Wooo LS1/T56, must be nice. Did you use Spohn conversion parts? I'm trying to hold my IROC together until I can get the funds for some much needed parts. Been having alot of problems with the car recently, been out of the game for a few months. I got the tranny and mostly everything else I want in the works, just need to have a friend rebuild a L98 bottom end and another friend help me build a rearend. Cant wait to try out this new setup I have planned. Stock motor and auto w/ no ebrake gets boring after a while.

I found on my last autocross (with the new engine) that in second gear the car would power around on the corners, and I could shoot through the box by tipping the fuel at the apex and bring the back end around. It got me to thinking that extended powerslides might be fun to try....

Wooo LS1/T56, must be nice. Did you use Spohn conversion parts? I'm trying to hold my IROC together until I can get the funds for some much needed parts. Been having alot of problems with the car recently, been out of the game for a few months. I got the tranny and mostly everything else I want in the works, just need to have a friend rebuild a L98 bottom end and another friend help me build a rearend. Cant wait to try out this new setup I have planned. Stock motor and auto w/ no ebrake gets boring after a while.


on james's ls1 swap into the iroc im pretty sure hes jsut gonna fabricate everything, thats what we did on the elco and it was pretty simple.

james, change your sn.

I have fun all the time when it gets rainy out with my 90 240sx. It's an open diff but I always run bald tires so it slides out on demand with little clutch work at all. I can hold slides as long as the turn demands and usually come out in a great position to do a follow up slide.

I've gotten some decent slides with my camaro, maybe 2-5 seconds around an on-ramp, but the biggest problem is weight. My camaro is 800 pounds heavier then my 240 and it screams it. Whereas the 240 can be flicked back and forth and you always feel comfortable with it, the camaro always feels like it's on edge, and I think a lot of this is due to the amount of weight.

If you notice, those professional drift cars look like professional drag cars, totally bare on the inside.

I know that the less is more weight rule applies to everything with cars, but I just wanted to really drive home how important it is with the feel of the car.

1) by reading this i can tell you really dont have a clue what your doing

2) stop tryign to learn how to drift on the streets before you kill somoene, this gives a bad name to all the real drifters out there.

thanks.

Man dont take this the wrong way but I think thats a really bad attitude. I know alot of people that drift with the less than desired equipment and/or on the street, and some of them can really drift good. Stock KA, open diff, bald tires I've seen it all. Just because you dont see these people at events dosnt mean they have no idea what they're doing or they suck. Some people that I know that can drift awesome have no desire to be seen by the public. Other ones decided to go for it and they moved from the street to the track and they kicked alot of people asses that had been practicing the track for a long time. Some people think the mountain roads are way more fun than any track could ever be so they dont goto track events. This is how it is in Hawaii and this is how it is in Japan. I'm not saying street drifting is good or crappy equipment is good, I'm just saying you cant stereotype them all based on where or what they drift.

well girls like guys with skills, so i guess that eliminates you on both accounts.

sorry your stubborn/ignorant enough to feel this way. its jsut a bunch of stupid kids anyways. grow up.


hahahaa, i've already had more fine women than you will in 10 lifetimes

and i aint finished yet

Damn foo, 10 lifetimes worth of fine honeys? You must be a baller and a half. How'd you get such skillz? Can you teach me your ways?....What a tard. You seriously think he's going to be offended by a comback like that, on the internet no less?



sorry your stubborn/ignorant enough to feel this way. its jsut a bunch of stupid kids anyways. grow up .

Wow! Whoee! I barely know which way to turn. I've been overseas bustin' ass in the hot tropical sun and I've been on death's door in the hospital a few times here recently. And if I ever recover from it all, I got me this bitchin' Z-28 which I am itchin' to burn rubber with. In the earlier days I spent jail time for my tire frying exhibitions. Now I just wanna wow people and beat up on rice grinders (er, well - try anyway). I figgered that out of all the F Bodies, the Gen4 should be the most scienced out as far as the suspension and it would be closer to the size of the little cars - even tho it's kinda heavy. Of course I ain't worried about the HP because the good ole' Chevy small block was designed to go fast right from the git go a long time ago. And I can load her down with all sorts of go fast goodies and blue bottles till the cows come home. What ever it takes to make the big power. Done it all before.

But for now, I'm just concerned if my good ole '95 LT1 is up to the task. She's pretty much stock now but I will throw the parts at it that are necessary. Springs, shocks, bars and such are no prob. I just gotta know what the heck to throw at it! But what I would really like is to have the confidence to feel that the good ole' Flying Dutchman has the potential to run with those big boys from the other side of the pond, if I go all out. Shucks I figure I could throw in a cage, strip out weight and all that if necessary. Of course that all would depend on how well I can still git up on the wheel. I ain't no young whipper snapper no more. Getting in seat time up here in the Pacific NW might be a little difficult as there don't seem to be too many of them Drifting events going on around here. Got to check out some more of them links here and see.

I figger I could make it on down to one of them events in NorCal next summer. But I sure would like to get some bang for my buck when I do and really get after it. Don't wanna do it halfassed. I am proud of GM's heritage. They may be going thru hard times right now - but that don't mean that asses cain't still be kicked :-)

So I want to start off with a fairly solid, lobuck setup. From what I gather here, it looks like I shouldn't be needin' a fancy oil pan right off. Just pour a little more oil in her? So I can redline her and maybe the mil won't blow? Yes? Yes? I don't know what the front to rear weight bias is. Maybe I could stick the battery in the rear. Dunno what kind of tires to run. Would like to stick with the 16" rims to start. And hooboy, everybody runs a stick. But I saw someone here is running an auto for now. I got high gears now but I wonder about the right torque convertor?

And whats with the Ebrake? Sounds like there are some driving tricks involving with that. But for starters I just need a baseline. Any specs out there on caster/camber/toe? I'm putting on Hotchkiss bars in back but am wondering about specific shocks and springs? Yep, I already know she's gonna be needin' all them spacial bushings throughout. What fun :-\

So here's the big question - just for kicks: In the final analysis - what chance would a fully prepped Gen-4 Z-28 stand against the top dawg Hero wazzisname and his fancy import job from over yonder - providing a native wheelman had what it takes to get the job done in the cockpit?

Whooee! Sure do look like this thread died a slow death! Anybody driftin anymore??? I know it's still goin on down in SoCal. In fact I have heard tell of a certain '69 Camaro that got all built up by some shop called Hotrods to Hell. That one seems like it might kick some. Looks like it got featured in Hot Rod Mag. Hmmm, makes me wonder about what to build now!

Hey, where the heck is everybody? You all ain't already got that durned Bird Flu, have ya?