http://www.thecarconnection.com/Indu...173.A8626.html

It looks as if Daimler-Chrysler's 24-valve 4.0 liter V6 will make it to the street before Ford's 3.5 liter Duratec!

Another thought:

Wouldn't a 300 horsepower V6 make a great base powerplant for Mopar's Mustang competitor?

 

[QUOTE=redzedIt looks as if Daimler-Chrysler's 24-valve 4.0 liter V6 will make it to the street before Ford's 3.5 liter Duratec![/QUOTE]

WOW.. That makes Ford look bad doesn't it.

Everyone talks up the 240+HP Nissan and Honda V6s but forgets that Chrysler was first on the scene with a powerful N/A V6 with the 250HP 3.5L in like 1996.


Anyone know the specs on GMs 3.8L HF V6? I hear they are already building/useing them down under.

 

I think a base car that goes faster than the GT would be humorous....

 

Don't forget though... none of this matters, because the 300 is doomed to fail because it has sales to rental fleets... you know, just like how the H3 is doomed to fail....

 

Is this an enlargment of the current engine family, or an all new design?

 

 

Actually, you'd be looking at the same time. 3.5 comes out July of 2006. But the point still stands though, Ford has taken WAY too long to bring the 3.5 to market. That and i don't think it'll be in the same class as this 4.0L, if this 4.0 does turn out to have something like 300hp.

A 300hp 4.0L would be nice. Is this the projected output and goal of the engine or just us speculating?

 

Something bothers me about the Chrysler 3.5. It looks GREAT on paper and has had the high-output back when every's 3.XL v6's were still making 200hp, but the 3.5 just doesn't seem all that strong for its output.

Look at this. Cars are of similar size and output but one is significantly faster. And the faster one is the heavier one (by 200lbs), and that is the Cadillac. Both tests are from MT btw.

Chrsyler 300 Touring: 250hp 3.5, 0-60 in 8.0sec 1/4 mile in 15.8@87.1
Cadillac STS v6: 255hp 3.6, 0-60 in 6.8 sec 1/4 mile in 15.0@92.7

I don't know if it's gearing or whatever, but it does kinda come off as slow. Shouldn't a 250hp 3700lb car be faster than 8.0second 0-60's and 15.8 second 1/4 miles? And what's with this whole thing about Ford claiming their weak 203hp 500 AWD is faster than the 300 Touring to 60mph when it shouldn't even be close?

I guess the Chrysler 3.5L has never really impressed me despite it's relatively high-output, nowhere near the level the Nissan's 3.5L and such have impressed me.

I hope we see that here.

 

If that statement is correct, then the 3.5L Duratec will actually appear in cars before the 4.0 from Chrysler. The 3.5L starts production at the end of this year, and that statement is just saying that the 4.0 will start production next summer.

However, that is neither here nor there. It has taken too long for Ford to come out with this new engine.

I am wondering about some peoples assertion that a 300hp V6, in an almost 4000lb car will outaccelerate a 300hp V8 in a 3500lb car.

New math???

 

He said "mopar's mustang competitor". I'm assuming he meant some sort of lighter and smaller 2+2 coupe more inline with the mustang in terms of size and weight and not the current Charger/300. As it stands, this car doesn't exist and probably won't for a long time...if ever.

Chrysler hasn't convinced me that they're working on a mustang-like coupe...a REAL mustang competitor. So this whole point is kinda moot.

Even then, it's no gaurentee that it'll be as quick as a mustang just because both have 300hp. Something tells me the Chrysler 4.0 won't have 317lb-ft of tq. And even the smaller and lighter 300hp Nissan 350z 6spd isn't as quick as the mustang allthough it come close. So a 300hp output is no automatic ticket to a mustang GT-beater.

So i myself doubt it. The real threat to the GT if this hypothetical coupe where to ever see the light of day would be the Hemi version . Now this should be a bit quicker. But like i said earlier, i don't see a coupe coming anytime soon. Chrysler awhile back was talking about how there is no market for coupes. Probably their reasoning for slapping the charger badging on a 4 door sedan .

 

It would be a good upgrade for the 3.6 in Sigma cars when they are redone.

 

Do you need to be reminded, yet again, that the Hummer H3 is an underengined and overpriced slug?

 

The Problem? Three words:

Chrysler's Transmission Programing.

It did wonders taking the snap out of Dodge Dakota R/Ts with the 360.

 

I dont know that a 250HP 3700lb car SHOULD be faster then 8 seconds to 60. It couyld be, but not should be. There are pleanty of sub 3300lb 200hp cars that run 7.8 to 8.2 seconds 0 to 60.

 

Makes sense. Something seems to be holding it back.

falchulk,you know what i mean though. The 8.0 0-60 is a downer when an equally powerful car like the STS that is saddled with an extra 200lbs of heft clears the 0-60 in 6.8 seconds. 1.2 seconds faster! 8.0 seconds is what the just as heavy 203hp Ford 500 AWD runs in the 0-60. I think it SHOULD be quicker than 8 seconds. Atleast low 7's. It certainly has the hp/tq, and the weight isn't the biggest thing holding it back.

Btw: A 3700lb 250hp car has a better hp/weight ratio than a 3300lb 200hp car. 14.8lbs per hp vs 16.5lbs per hp in favor of the 3700lb car.