First Evo VIII in the 9's

:eek: (http://www.dy-nasty.com/dump/AL1.mpg)

Oh... but this (http://www.learntodragrace.com/z06-record.wmv) car looks soooo much better doing it.

And this (http://spdkilz.net/downloads/pafiledb.php?action=download&id=94) one.

Oh... and how bout those cars that originally run the 1/4 mile in well over 20 (http://www.bonanzaraceway.com/Racers%20Corner/Details.asp?ID=B6540) seconds?

Just goes to show that you can make anything fly with enough mulah.

-Mindgame

:eek:

Even though I know enough money can make darn near anything possible, It does impress me though what people are able to do with these smaller motors... :bow:

Smaller motors but most of the time bigger bank accounts :rolleyes:
At my track they got frigging snowmobiles running 9's. With enough money you can make any car that was ever made run 9 second quaters. Theres a guy( Al Corda) running NHRA stock eliminator with a LS1 formula running 9's then there are Superstock hemi cuda's running 8's. Thats immpressive. Not some dude spending $70k+ in mods on his car to run those time's.

Actually I use to have a video about 6 mths ago of a (what looked like) a factory stock evo turn a 9 right here @ englishtown....was a sweet video wish I still had it, made a mid 11 second car it raced on that pass look like a 16 second car..think the tuner was called boost solutions

Not some dude spending $70k+ in mods on his car to run those time's.
Can you show me how it took 70k+ to run this time in the Evo?

Can you show me how it took 70k+ to run this time in the Evo?No way would you need 70 K, You can make Evo's run 11's w/ small change (depending on who's pockets your talking about)...Build the engine up, w/ a bigger turbo and a nice shot of gas your there...the sad part was in the video the pass was made on stock evo wheels w/ dr's :eek:

Not that particular car. But However it takes a ton of money to make those 4 and 6 cylinder cars run fast. I was watching NOPI television a few months ago and the car owners even tell you that. One guy said the tranny for his 8 second honda cost him $15k alone.Thats why they most guys on the import circut are fully sponsored teams. Anyone with a big wallet can make a car fast. But go to a NMRA race or a NMCA race and you'll see some fully sponsored rides but the vast majority of the guys are regular guys with very little outside financial help.
I'm sure that EVO probally has a built shortblock,heavily ported head,titanium valvetrain, bigger turbos', bigger intercoller,probally custom sheetmetal intake,most likely a built tranny,complete fuel sysem,engine control system,custom exhaust then all the little things which add up fast. Then if he cant install it himself he'll have to pay a shop BIG BUCKs to do all the work.
And EVO's are'nt cheap either. Theres one in the local car trader. Its white '04. They dont give a total price buy list it at $419 a month!!
I'd much rather have a american V8 which is alot cheaper and faster in stock trim and take the money I save to make it even faster. So for the same money you can get a new evo for you could have a 11 second camaro or mustang.
An example
Theres a kid in my town who payed more for his GTI than I payed for my LS1 he then but $4k into it (bigger turbo and other mods) and he got it to go from 15.7 stock to 14.6 with the mods. :rolleyes: Its like am I supposed to be immpresed or something?? My car was cheaper and is a full second quicker in bone stock trim than his with $4k in mods. :confused:

No way would you need 70 K, You can make Evo's run 11's w/ small change (depending on who's pockets your talking about)...Build the engine up, w/ a bigger turbo and a nice shot of gas your there...the sad part was in the video the pass was made on stock evo wheels w/ dr's :eek:
It was a estimate. But the difference between a 11 second car and a 9 second car is like night and day. I should know. I have one. It cost me about $6k to run 11.0@125 but cost me another $20k to run 1.5 seconds quicker!!But I have a bulletproof setup and with more portwork,solid cam and bigger blower it'll go easy mid 8's.
Another thing is alot of those fast imports run turbos and nitrous. All the classes in the NMCA and NMRA Etc. for american cars can only run 1 power adder.

Oh... but this (http://www.learntodragrace.com/z06-record.wmv) car looks soooo much better doing it.

And this (http://spdkilz.net/downloads/pafiledb.php?action=download&id=94) one.

Oh... and how bout those cars that originally run the 1/4 mile in well over 20 (http://www.bonanzaraceway.com/Racers%20Corner/Details.asp?ID=B6540) seconds?

Just goes to show that you can make anything fly with enough mulah.

-Mindgame

LOL. Absolutely!

It was a estimate. But the difference between a 11 second car and a 9 second car is like night and day. I should know. I have one. It cost me about $6k to run 11.0@125 but cost me another $20k to run 1.5 seconds quicker!!But I have a bulletproof setup and with more portwork,solid cam and bigger blower it'll go easy mid 8's.
Another thing is alot of those fast imports run turbos and nitrous. All the classes in the NMCA and NMRA Etc. for american cars can only run 1 power adder.

If you spent $6K to go 125, is that in a 302 ford? If so, did you get all the parts used? Cause you will need an A4 block to go much faster than that, and they are pricey themselves. Theres more than just a sold cam, and bigger blower. Then you need the fuel system, ecu/tuning. Its more than you think. Plus, the suspension is key to the 8s. I have friends running 8s on drag radials, and it aint cheap or easy.

If you spent $6K to go 125, is that in a 302 ford? If so, did you get all the parts used? Cause you will need an A4 block to go much faster than that, and they are pricey themselves. Theres more than just a sold cam, and bigger blower. Then you need the fuel system, ecu/tuning. Its more than you think. Plus, the suspension is key to the 8s. I have friends running 8s on drag radials, and it aint cheap or easy.
This is what I used to run 11.0@ 125 (my best) with a 5 speed
stock untouched shortblock,edebrock performer 1.90 heads,saleen intake,70mm TB, 77MM mass air,36lb injectors,vortech S strim 13lbs,shorty headers,dynomax 2 1/2" ultraflow exhaust,stock fuel rails and lines,190lb in tank fuel pump with a T- rex inline pump,ford extender,3.73 gears,front skinnys and slicks,4 cyl springs and koni front stuts. I ran 118 octane gas. This was way back in 1996 and 1997. Also it went 11.3@118 with a A trim making 10lbs of boost I beleive.
I then set it up for FFW's street renegade in which I won a event in '99 at New England dragway and was rated 8th fastest renegade car in the country by 5.0 magizine.
This is my current setup. The main reason it cost me the $20k more was the A4 shortblock you mentioned.
310cid A4 block,sonny bryant billet crank,manley rods,probe pistons,fox lake ported twisted wedge heads with titanium intake valves,the same saleen intake and 70mm TB but now run a 83mm mass air meter,Paxton Novi 2000 at 22lbs of boost,160lb injectors,aeromotive fuel rails with the big lines sumped factory tank with a big weldon fuel pump.different hydralic cam,kooks 2" step headers with 3" exhaust,dynamic C4 auto,D&D tublar k member with coil overs out back is the TRZ rear suspension kit. I know run the FORD racing EPEC engine control,I run on skinneys up front and 28x10.5 M/T's out back. I think thats everything but I may have forgot something. But last year it made 690rwhp and 650ftlbs with a conservative tune. And on 4 year old slicks and a horrible 1.48 60" time it went consistant 9.6's@146. I also was running 8" wide rims out back witch are a little small for 10.5's. But the guy who tunes my car Eric Laferriere of Laferriere racing http://www.laferriereracing.com/ says that with the engine the way it is now we should be able to get the suspension dialed in for 1.3 60"s and 9.2's and he said could easily tune it so it could run 150mph and possibly get a 8.9 with it. I need a 'chute first. But if i were to sell my heads for better ones,sold my Novi for a big procharger and switched from my .548" hydralic cam for a big solid it could go mid 8's.But my goal for this year is to run 9.2 and to break 150mph. Also I want to have the quickest REAL Saleen in the country. So far I have'nt found a real one running quicker yet.
Hers some pics of it on cardomain-
http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=762099

Just skimming through those long posts...In the evo's / sti's defense they may be a 4 cyclinder but there leaving the factory at or around 300 hp, there not some civic w/ 115 hp...In most aspects they outperform muscle cars, they surely handle better, hook better w/ the awd, better gas mileage, and wake up real quick w/ a few tweakings of the turbos/tune...Not my cup of tea either but there the complete package...No there not cheap but there right around the same price as the GTO's w/ similar performance...420 bucks a mth nowadays isnt alot for a car payment...at one point I was payin that on my old 97. When your talking 9's no cars "cheap" to get there regardless.

Just skimming through those long posts...In the evo's / sti's defense they may be a 4 cyclinder but there leaving the factory at or around 300 hp, there not some civic w/ 115 hp...In most aspects they outperform muscle cars, they surely handle better, hook better w/ the awd, better gas mileage, and wake up real quick w/ a few tweakings of the turbos/tune...Not my cup of tea either but there the complete package...No there not cheap but there right around the same price as the GTO's w/ similar performance...420 bucks a mth nowadays isnt alot for a car payment...at one point I was payin that on my old 97. When your talking 9's no cars "cheap" to get there regardless.

You payed $420 a month for a '97? Was it new? When I bought my '97 WS6 it was my first car loan so I had a higher intrest(12%) for first time buyer and with only $1k down it was only $350 a month.then after a year of paying that I traded it in on a 2000 and got the intrest down to 4.5% and with nothing down the monthly payment stayed the same. For $420 a month I'd much rather buy a '97-'99 vette.
Your right when you say no car is cheap to get in the 9's but some are cheaper than others. And why is it that the fast majority of those fast imports are owned and built by people who own speed shops. Thats probally turns my off them most. Anyone could build a 9 second car if all they had to do was walk in there shop take all the parts they need off the shelf(tax right off) or suck up to the aftermarket Co's they deal with asking for parts. You dont see many average Joes running that fast in imports like you do with domestic cars running those times.
They might be good for what they are but nothing to right home about. Just think my mustang which is'nt even the fastest mustang in my puny state of RI is as fast as the worlds fastest EVO and probally the world fastest STI !!

Just an FYI..Evo's are rated at 19/26 mpg. Thats a bit more than an 03/04 Cobra (17/24), and about the same "average" as an M6 LS1 F-body (17/28). 04 Mach 1's were rated at 17/26, so there is little difference there.

STI's are rated at 18/24. That's about the same as a M6 GTO (17/25) and slightly better than an 03/04 Cobra (city only).

As another FYI...the Neon (SRT-4) is somewhat better at 22/30.

Random factoids....I personally would never by any of those three cars, but to each their own.

You payed $420 a month for a '97? Was it new? When I bought my '97 WS6 it was my first car loan so I had a higher intrest(12%) for first time buyer and with only $1k down it was only $350 a month.then after a year of paying that I traded it in on a 2000 and got the intrest down to 4.5% and with nothing down the monthly payment stayed the same. For $420 a month I'd much rather buy a '97-'99 vette.
I'd rather walk than drive a car made in japan!! It had 10,000 miles on it,it was 1998 and the LS1 just came out . Leather, chrome rims, it was optioned out. I think I put like 800 bucks down lol, I was like 18-19. It was the dream color/options I wanted...even passed an LS1 up on it that was cheaper :eek: . I refinanced a year later for 350 mth. Most of the cars ive bought have been american w/ the exception of a 97 dsm. Theres many other cars I would buy for the price of a evo/sti etc, but I would take one in a heartbeat

They might be good for what they are but nothing to right home about. Just think my mustang which is'nt even the fastest mustang in my puny state of RI is as fast as the worlds fastest EVO and probally the world fastest STI !!To clarify, you're as fast as the fastest Evo VIII, the fastest Evo is much faster.

Of course this is a rally car we're talking about here, so it should come as no surprise that a drag queen would be faster. I wonder how your Mustang would fair in WRC?

To clarify, you're as fast as the fastest Evo VIII, the fastest Evo is much faster.

Of course this is a rally car we're talking about here, so it should come as no surprise that a drag queen would be faster. I wonder how your Mustang would fair in WRC?

Do you have any proof of a EVO or STI running faster than mid 9's in the quater? Because thats the only thing that matters.

Do you have any proof of a EVO or STI running faster than mid 9's in the quater? Because thats the only thing that matters.

Sure do (http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=107156&highlight=fastest+evo). From that link:

Zohab Razak EVO III- 8.6@161MPH
Andre Simon (Speedtech) EVO III- 8.8@164MPH
Adam Dubienczuk (DEVO Tuning) EVO II- 9.1@152MPH
Nick Zervos (APC) EVO II- 9.1@151MPH
EVOrent EVO VII- 9.3@145MPH


I haven't kept up with the scoobies as much, so I really can't answer for them.

Sure do (http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=107156&highlight=fastest+evo). From that link:



I haven't kept up with the scoobies as much, so I really can't answer for them.

Then why the hell did you start this meeasge saying the "first EVO in the 9's " then. Normaly if a car is the first to break into a time bracket its considerd the fastest. Your the one who started this message.
So your either wrong about this car being the first in the 9's or those 8 seond times are made up. So which is right and which is wrong?

Then why the hell did you start this meeasge saying the "first EVO in the 9's " then. Normaly if a car is the first to break into a time bracket its considerd the fastest. Your the one who started this message.Reading comprehension > you

I said first Evo VIII in the 9s.

Reading comprehension > you

I said first Evo VIII in the 9s.

OH, VIII. OK ,my car is as fast as the worlds fastest EVO VIII. MY BAD!!

Reading comprehension > you

I said first Evo VIII in the 9s. Evo 8 is just the first turbo 275 hp model brought to the states correct?

Evo 8 is just the first turbo 275 hp model brought to the states correct?
Bingo, though I believe the first year of the Evo VIII here was officially rated at 271.

This is what I used to run 11.0@ 125 (my best) with a 5 speed
stock untouched shortblock,edebrock performer 1.90 heads,saleen intake,70mm TB, 77MM mass air,36lb injectors,vortech S strim 13lbs,shorty headers,dynomax 2 1/2" ultraflow exhaust,stock fuel rails and lines,190lb in tank fuel pump with a T- rex inline pump,ford extender,3.73 gears,front skinnys and slicks,4 cyl springs and koni front stuts. I ran 118 octane gas. This was way back in 1996 and 1997. Also it went 11.3@118 with a A trim making 10lbs of boost I beleive.
I then set it up for FFW's street renegade in which I won a event in '99 at New England dragway and was rated 8th fastest renegade car in the country by 5.0 magizine.
This is my current setup. The main reason it cost me the $20k more was the A4 shortblock you mentioned.
310cid A4 block,sonny bryant billet crank,manley rods,probe pistons,fox lake ported twisted wedge heads with titanium intake valves,the same saleen intake and 70mm TB but now run a 83mm mass air meter,Paxton Novi 2000 at 22lbs of boost,160lb injectors,aeromotive fuel rails with the big lines sumped factory tank with a big weldon fuel pump.different hydralic cam,kooks 2" step headers with 3" exhaust,dynamic C4 auto,D&D tublar k member with coil overs out back is the TRZ rear suspension kit. I know run the FORD racing EPEC engine control,I run on skinneys up front and 28x10.5 M/T's out back. I think thats everything but I may have forgot something. But last year it made 690rwhp and 650ftlbs with a conservative tune. And on 4 year old slicks and a horrible 1.48 60" time it went consistant 9.6's@146. I also was running 8" wide rims out back witch are a little small for 10.5's. But the guy who tunes my car Eric Laferriere of Laferriere racing http://www.laferriereracing.com/ says that with the engine the way it is now we should be able to get the suspension dialed in for 1.3 60"s and 9.2's and he said could easily tune it so it could run 150mph and possibly get a 8.9 with it. I need a 'chute first. But if i were to sell my heads for better ones,sold my Novi for a big procharger and switched from my .548" hydralic cam for a big solid it could go mid 8's.But my goal for this year is to run 9.2 and to break 150mph. Also I want to have the quickest REAL Saleen in the country. So far I have'nt found a real one running quicker yet.
Hers some pics of it on cardomain-
http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=762099

LOL. I thought your post implied that you would need $20K to go 1.5 sec faster. That is a nice setup for sure. I haven't been to an NMRA or FFW event this year. I missed the 2 that are near me. Are you allowed to run a turbo in Renegade? What made you choose the novi? Just curious. The novi 2000 is an excellent blower. Doesn't Swill Racing have a car in the 8s on a novi 2k? Car looks great BTW, I've ALWAYS wanted a fox body Saleen.

No turbo in Renegade.

A friend of mine has a Novi on a 2V motor in a 2000 GT that just went 9.06 on Drag Radials first time out - hoping for high 8s at the NMRA race in Maple Grove next month.

Youngsters and these newer turbo/supercharged overgrown-motorcycle-engined-compacts.......

Don't know what to make of the whole scene really. Seems that alot of these things are bulletproof and they've got plumbing so they're easy to turn up the boost on. Throw some nitrous in the mix and you've got a nice intercooling effect. So a few bucks later you have a "fast" car but hey, so can anyone else these days.

Boy things have changed fo' sure.

-Mindgame

Boy things have changed fo' sure.

-Mindgame Thats for sure, the cars arent cheap...but you can have a badass awd street car for not much more then msrp of the vehicle...Its kinda like the awd dsm's in the 90's but only much faster stock

Don't know what to make of the whole scene really.
At first I honestly didn't either - the ricers unfortunately overshadow the real enthusiasts. But the ones who are serious about it are making tremendous headway and changing how we think about the age old fast/streetable debate.

A 9 second street car used to be a tubbed out, overheating, rough idling, no accessory having rattlebox. Now it's a car that can be driven in traffic or through snow. It's a good time to be a hot rodder :)

A 9 second street car used to be a tubbed out, overheating, rough idling, no accessory having rattlebox. Now it's a car that can be driven in traffic or through snow. It's a good time to be a hot rodder :) Evolution is great isnt it :D

LOL. I thought your post implied that you would need $20K to go 1.5 sec faster. That is a nice setup for sure. I haven't been to an NMRA or FFW event this year. I missed the 2 that are near me. Are you allowed to run a turbo in Renegade? What made you choose the novi? Just curious. The novi 2000 is an excellent blower. Doesn't Swill Racing have a car in the 8s on a novi 2k? Car looks great BTW, I've ALWAYS wanted a fox body Saleen.
Thanks, like bob said turbos are'nt allowed in renegade. You see this car was set up back in the late 90's. I won a FFW event in '99 with a T-trim vortech. I went 10.0@132 at the event with it. I got a 138mph run with it a few weeks later in cold air. At the time the the biggest Vortech allowed was the T trim and the D1 was the biggest Procharger and the Novi was the biggest paxton. The Novi and D1 seemed to make the most power and Bob Kurgan had the fastes renegade car at the time with a Novi 2000. You even had to run a restricter inside the blower tube to be able to run a Novi then. So in 2000 I had the Novi on the car. What happened was we got some electical gremlins and and burnt valves,pistons and even cracked a A4 block 3 times!We made changes, even brought the car down to LaRocca's in NJ and he could'nt figure it out either.I'd fix it then blow it up on the first pass then fix it and then blow it up on the first pass. I always dynod it before I brought it to the track.I did changes when I did fix it hoping that was the problem. but nothing seemed to fix it.
By then it was fall of 2001, I was very frustrated so I just fixed the broken parts and parked it. By this time I was a member of this site and I decided i wanted a F body for the street. So I picked up a red '97 WS6 T/A witch I liked alot but a year later I traded it in for a '00 T/A witch I love and will never get rid of.
But last summer I decided its time to get the saleen going again. We had it on the dyno and everthing seemed good. But we had the electric fans (engine and tranny) off and the A/F was good even slightly rich. the engine got warmed up so we put the fans on and the A/F went to 21:1 !!! :eek: We never had the fans on when we dynoed it before. Then when I went to the track I ran the fans.The whole problem was the power wire from the alternator was'nt heavy enough gauge!! We fixed that and it ran mint. I went to the track the next week and my first pass off the trailer in 3 years was a 9.7@146. I was so pumped.
Taking the time off got me behind in the technology part of it. You have to keep updating every year to keep up.
If I were to do it again i would build a 347 with heavily ported Victor Jr's and the biggest legal procharger. Like Mike Freedman was running. Right now renegade cars are runing low 8's. Someone even got in the 7's. I dont want to go quicker than 8.5 because I dont want to cut up the car to much for the cage you need to run quicker than 8.5. right now i could put it back to stock and 99% of the people would never now its been a race car since the mid 90's.
well enough of my rambling. later guys