Being fully aware of GM problems, are you still pulling for them?

Being fully aware of GM's problems, are you still pulling for them?


Im pulling for them.

Who would not want to pull for them?? I mean they are a large part of our economy. It would be in everyones best interests for GM to succeed.

BUT as bad as it may sound, I think GM might have to declare bankruptcy in order for necessary changes to come around.. I do not think GM's corporate world pulling the strings have got a clue right now. Wagoneer has not even come out with a clear and consise plan yet.. He needs to turn GM upside down, and I do not think he is the person to pull that off. Hopefully for GM he is.

Being fully aware of GM's problems, are you still pulling for them?




Yes.

Of course.

Most definitely!!!!!!

I also am hoping that the turn around happens and we are rewarded for our beliefs with GREAT/EXCITING products in the future.

Well on one hand I know they are a significant part of our economy; so that alone has me rooting for them without a doubt. HOWEVER, that doesn't make me into a blindly led fanboy who's going to buy GM vehicles regardless of any superior options I have. If I bought a GM vehicle just because GM is doing poorly financially, well to me that's not much different than me giving a big portion of my paycheck every month to a hobo because he's broke and I feel bad for him. I just don't play that game. I buy from who I think most deserves my money. Not who has the saddest puppy dog face.

Especially from a company who has told us for decades now in various forms and fashions that "OK I know we sucked before, but look at us now!!". They almost always improve themselves when they say stuff like that, but it's never nearly enough improvement to catch up to the competition overall. It's like the boy who cried wolf, and even if they are finally for real this time, it may be too little too late.

Like the husband who slapped his wife around for 20 years and kept promising to stop only to go back to his old ways.

Of course.

I think you have to realized that GM's current predicament is the result of 20+ years of bad management decisions, i.e. cookie cutter cars, corporate buy-outs, starting an entirely new division within an already bloated empire, letting toothpaste marketing people run projects instead of product people, and (IMO) questionable union negotiations.

Like Kevin Costner said in 'Bull Durham': "We're dealing with alot of **** here."

I would also like to add I am getting impatient with false promises and tales of better things to come.....

Yes. My family has put millions of trouble free miles on GM cars and trucks over the years, I'd like to continue with that.

Well on one hand I know they are a significant part of our economy; so that alone has me rooting for them without a doubt. HOWEVER, that doesn't make me into a blindly led fanboy who's going to buy GM vehicles regardless of any superior options I have. If I bought a GM vehicle just because GM is doing poorly financially, well to me that's not much different than me giving a big portion of my paycheck every month to a hobo because he's broke and I feel bad for him. I just don't play that game. I buy from who I think most deserves my money. Not who has the saddest puppy dog face.

Especially from a company who has told us for decades now in various forms and fashions that "OK I know we sucked before, but look at us now!!". They almost always improve themselves when they say stuff like that, but it's never nearly enough improvement to catch up to the competition overall. It's like the boy who cried wolf, and even if they are finally for real this time, it may be too little too late.

Like the husband who slapped his wife around for 20 years and kept promising to stop only to go back to his old ways.

Threxx I think you make a good point that a majority of the population can aggree with.

I AM pulling for GM. I will buy GM should all things else be considered equal. I think GMT900 will either be the savior (K-car for Chrysler) or the final nail for GM.
If they have to start putting rebates on the trucks to move them at the current levels then GM may as well sell off or kill of a lot of its brands and just concentrate on Chevy and Caddy.

Yes.

Who would not want to pull for them?? I mean they are a large part of our economy. It would be in everyones best interests for GM to succeed.


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I am, and so is everyone in my group of friends. And Most of them are Diehard Ford fans :eek:

Yes, still pulling for them. I'd love to add to the GM side of the collection again soon.

H&ll Yeah, you don't desert friends in bad times...when I've needed a reliable, low maintanance cost, fun vehicle to drive...they've been there for me.

For all their mistakes/screw-ups they must reap what they sowed.....

And form that learn from it. Make cars people want to buy. Dont go cheap on us or force products to the public. Simple as that, but yes I dont want them to go out of business.

With this being a pro-GM site I would assume that the majority of the members would be pulling for the General (despite some self-destructive tendancies on the part of the mother ship). Except of course for the odd troll who have nothing but anti-GM negativity to spew every time their digits come in contact with the keyboard which has make us all wonder why they even bother coming here in the first place.

That said......... yessir.

Especially from a company who has told us for decades now in various forms and fashions that "OK I know we sucked before, but look at us now!!". They almost always improve themselves when they say stuff like that, but it's never nearly enough improvement to catch up to the competition overall. It's like the boy who cried wolf, and even if they are finally for real this time, it may be too little too late.

Exactly, and I don't see where this time is any different than the last 12 times they've said this. G6, GP, MC, Impala, minivans, LaCrosse are all also-rans. The only mainstream car among their upcoming products that is really a no-excuses attack on the competition is the Aura, and it's a Saturn ferchrissake! Why in hell this isn't a Chevy I don't know. It looks to be the one GM car that could honestly go toe-to-toe with Camry and Accord, so what do they do? Give it to their lame duck brand. I guarantee Chevy could sell double the number of these vehicles, and at the same time restore some credibilty to the brand. Why waste it on Saturn? :think:

They must reap what they sowed. There's no excuse for them to make a car inferior to the competition which passes them with ease. It's no accident that they're losing so much money, it's not like we all woke up one day and stopped trusting their products.

i'm all for GM

i'm anti GM management

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If you voted for anything but yes, then why do you even waste your time here???

Of course I am pulling for GM. The very reason all of are here is because of a GM product. I truly hope they start listening to the buying public. They need to act sooner and improve product quality. If they do that, I will be back in the fold.

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If you voted for anything but yes, then why do you even waste your time here???
should we start lynchings and cruisifictions then? :rolleyes:

I think everyone WANTS for things to get better at GM. but some of us aren't blind to what's going on. if GM needs to be taught a lesson to finally "get it" then so be it. if this crisis somehow "blows over" today by happenstance, do you honestly think GM won't go back to sitting on their hands tomorrow? GM still hasn't learned how to deal with a market they can no longer control over the 30 years that they've been losing market share. do you think that's just a coincidence?

I am pulling for GM now more than ever because I WANT an American automaker with so much heritage and pride behind them to thrive. But THEY are the ones who need to be doing something about it. Not me. If GM makes a product people WANT to buy (like I've been saying for a while now), GM will have no trouble selling. That should be their lesson. Lets see if they have enough aptitude to learn it. Because if they can't learn it now, they never will.

of course, i love my Z28 and will def own more...all used

also still want an 88 Monte Carlo SS for cruisin :D

white w/ blue int and bench seats - column shift

Yes I'm pulling for them, #1 reason being because GM is an American company and part of the fabric of this country. #2 very close behind being that I hope to see and hear a new Camaro rolling and rumbling down the boulevard in the next 2 or perhaps 3 years.

Yes some things they did in the past made me mad - like putting too much emphasis on trucks and SUVs while letting their car line stagnate and wither.

But the future is now... so come on GM... build it and they will come.... Caddy's new cars and the new Cobalt are demonstrating this.

Of course I am pulling for GM. The very reason all of are here is because of a GM product. I truly hope they start listening to the buying public. They need to act sooner and improve product quality. If they do that, I will be back in the fold."Quality" is what drove you a way, and your quest for better quality drove you to a 2003 Ram? :think:

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