TURBO CIVIc VS.CAMARO Z28

I have a'96 camaro z28 with ram air hood and borla exhaust and The other guy has a 2001 civic with a turbo and im unsure about the rest I assume he has headers c/a intake etc.I will post results of the race on here

A civic with a turbo really isnt anything to worry about unless he has forged internals and some slicks.
You should kill him... just plain torque advantage off the line.... He'd need 5k in engine upgrades to make it even close...go smoke him.

A civic with a turbo really isnt anything to worry about unless he has forged internals and some slicks.
You should kill him... just plain torque advantage off the line.... He'd need 5k in engine upgrades to make it even close...go smoke him.

:bs: ive got tons of proof that you are dead wrong if you want it.

A civic with a turbo really isnt anything to worry about unless he has forged internals and some slicks.
You should kill him... just plain torque advantage off the line.... He'd need 5k in engine upgrades to make it even close...go smoke him.

Sounds about right. Turbo's in NO WAY give you DOUBLE the starting hp. So.. take the civics starting hp; 115. DOUBLE that hp and you have 230, FAR less than the STOCK '96 Z28, and that is giving the civic DOUBLE the power it orignally had thru turbo alone (which isn't gonna happen.) Headers, add another 5-10hp and cai about 5-10 if your lucky.
Ok.. overestimating this car we are up to 250hp ABOSLUTE TOPS. Torque? Dont even go there.
So... 250hp vs the LT1 275+ 30'ish hp that Borla claims; who is the obvious winner?

Sounds about right. Turbo's in NO WAY give you DOUBLE the starting hp. So.. take the civics starting hp; 115. DOUBLE that hp and you have 230, FAR less than the STOCK '96 Z28, and that is giving the civic DOUBLE the power it orignally had thru turbo alone (which isn't gonna happen.) Headers, add another 5-10hp and cai about 5-10 if your lucky.
Ok.. overestimating this car we are up to 250hp ABOSLUTE TOPS. Torque? Dont even go there.
So... 250hp vs the LT1 275+ 30'ish hp that Borla claims; who is the obvious winner?

matt matt matt. matty. mathew. i didnt want to make you look like a fool but heres proof.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1224573 -230whp with a stock bottom end. and a 60-1 which most honda guys consider to be a starter turbo

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1220997 -NON-VTEC B18B traack times on street tires and full interior. built bottom end but only 7 psi so at this point the bottom end doesnt mean jack.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1224101 drag 3 kit. -slightly upgraded version of the kit in the first link. 277whp 11.5 psi

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=688120 -doesnt say its a stock bottom end but at 7 psi most people dont go forged. 241whp. this will also end the supercharger vs. turbo debate. turbo shines through best IMO.

here is a pieced together kit which if you build your own (from premade parts) it can be done very cheaply. stock block again.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1218676 265whp on low boost 285whp on high boost.

my last point. my very good buddy Geoff went low 12s@120 or so with less than 350whp in his full weight civic dx. thats a stock bottom end also. he said he would have went 124 if his ignition wouldnt have cutout on the track but thats heresay and he only made 120. but know it was with a hurt setup.

But 250hp in a 2000lbs car is going to be quicker than 275 hp in a 3400lbs car. Not sticking up for a civic by no means. But they don't need as much power as we do to go as fast if set up properly. A lot of factors will come into play that would probably be a waste of time talking about, so let's just get some race results and go from there.

Crap with links


the first three engines are all different

b18c
b18b
b16

now I don't know crap about any of these...nor am I gonna spend anytime looking them up...but which one goes in the 01 civic...the others did not specify if they were b52, b17s or what...also on the dynos none seemed to make any respectable power IMO (200+) until 6250 or so...now I think this gives the camaro the edge out the hole...unless its one of those gay races where they start at 40 or so...I dunno i don't like knowing some retard on a tricycle could take my car from a stop...but I will admit those cars do make good power after 9,000,000 RPMs...just not where I like it...as far as who will win...more info needed for the civic...and I think it depends on how they race...

"Turbo's in NO WAY give you DOUBLE the starting hp"
"overestimating this car we are up to 250hp ABOSLUTE TOPS"

300hp on 10psi 100% stock engine (http://www.ericksracing.com/greenmonster.htm)

Yeah but that engine is not the one from the car...does it still count of you rob the bottom end from a different car...

all in all your still driving an econobox

This is true, but assuming he is running on the stock d17 (01 civic engine) he can be making anywhere between 190 and 240whp depending on turbo specs and sizing. its very realistic that he could be running high 13's, but we dont even know what motor or setup he has.


I'll take your word for it cause I got no idea...240 might make it a good race if that traslates to high 13's on those cars...bolt on LT1 should go that same time maybe a little lower...the lower end of the spectrum 190ish I'm betting on the Camaro...

all in all your still driving an econobox

and you are still driving an over priced over hyped cavalier. :)

Ya ok, slap some forced induction on a V8 Camaro and see where it stands...

Ya ok, slap some forced induction on a V8 Camaro and see where it stands...
i know right

Then let's see you 'slap some forced induction' on and end all this. Sure they have a higher powerband, but they can also launch from right under it because of their lack of low-end torque putting them right in their band. And once they're there they will stay just like we do when we're racing. I would never, NEVER, want one of those POS's, but to be ignorant about it is just...well, ignorant. So what if he's using 20psi to beat you. I find it much cooler to win with straight motor, but that's not always the case. You can say 'what if i had a turbo..' but he's still winning right now, isn't he??

and you are still driving an over priced over hyped cavalier. :)


Wow...there are an abundance of things wrong with your analogy...

But that's what the Civic did. They took a cheap car, slapped on a turbo and now they're happy they can run with stock v8's. Whoopi. Give me a cheap LT1, slap a turbo on it and I'll run with Vipers. Anything the honda can do we can do better....

Jason
Then let's see you 'slap some forced induction' on and end all this. Sure they have a higher powerband, but they can also launch from right under it because of their lack of low-end torque putting them right in their band. And once they're there they will stay just like we do when we're racing. I would never, NEVER, want one of those POS's, but to be ignorant about it is just...well, ignorant. So what if he's using 20psi to beat you. I find it much cooler to win with straight motor, but that's not always the case. You can say 'what if i had a turbo..' but he's still winning right now, isn't he??

I know, that's not what I'm argueing. I'm just saying that when a LT1 or LS1 loses for some unGodly reason to a cheap turbo'ed civic, they shouldn't come back with 'if I had a turbo'..and blah blah blah. The fact still remains in that instance that the civic won, and whether it's cheap or not it would still be a fast car and deserves the respect. When it comes to the drivers, that's a whole different story. Hope this is makin some sense, sounds a lot better in my head

Wow...there are an abundance of things wrong with your analogy...

that so? care to tell me what they are? because way i see it, people that bought 4th gens in some cases paid 20-30k for a decent engine and tranny, a pos rear end, a sub par suspension, and an interior that makes a cavalier look like a Benz. so where exactly is the great deal that these cars are supposed to be? you can put 5k into them and run low 12s? you can do that with a civic as well. hell by that logic, those new electric cars are better than every car in the world because they dont need any mods to run with a viper stock.

geoff is right, every time theres a honda thread in here, skyhawk, 85_305(matt) and that vette guy come in with something stuck up their ass hell bent on making sure they argue without any facts. because ive never seen any facts posted by any of them. i just showed several examples to prove matt wrong. hell come back with some idiotic notion abotu rwd bein superior (even tho thats not what we are agruing about here) and how the 205wtq that one made is really low (again not what we are arguing here) and never post anything difference. i only know what one of them drives and its a carbed 305 3rd gen. hell my bolt on L98 wouldnt have any problem with that. but do you see me making repetative posts sh*t talking his car? :confused: :rolleyes:

Can you really do better? or did you mean other people with Fbodys and more money? I notice everytime there is an import thread or any reference to a honda, you.skyhawk and 85_305 jumps on an anti Honda bandwagon. I have a question for all three of you. if you feel your cars are so great and a honda is so crappy, why exactly do you get worked up over the topics?

If you go to bed knowing your fbody was built to perfection, then why do you feel compelled to argue about what car is better? its evident that your are threatened by the cars and need to flame and bash to once again feel secure about owning an fbody. if I am wrong I apolgise and maybe you can explain the immature,comments,flaming and exagerations.
i dont know if your calling me out of not by mentioning my name in that statement but i use to own a Honda and thought it was the sh!t until i bought the car i have now. I am currently building up a motor to go in my Firebird. I guarantee you it will be faster than all of the Hondas that you have posted on this board, i basically have the money to do whatever i want right now with my car and im going all out on the motor. Instead of spending the money on a Vette its going into my car.

So yes, i will be able to back up everything i say. I dont know about all the other people posting in the thread, im not them so i dont know, but i know that i will be able to. I will be sure to get you videos and time slips once i get down with the build. I will also be sure to get videos of me smoking every import i run into if you want me to.

You want to hear the funny thing too, all my import buddys cant wait till i get done with the car, they all want to drive it.

So we shall see in the upcoming months what will happen.

that so? care to tell me what they are?

Well ok....I'll just use the list you started...

because way i see it, people that bought 4th gens in some cases paid 20-30k for a decent engine and tranny, a pos rear end, a sub par suspension, and an interior that makes a cavalier look like a Benz.

I wouldn't call the LS1 decent...I think it goes beyond that...and the LT1 in it's day was pretty top notch too...good enough for a vette...I do believe these cars were somewhat innovators for 6 speeds at an affordable price...and the stock rear end will go into the 12's some have gone lower...sub par suspension...you must be kidding...what civic had road race suspension as an option...and interior...you shmuck you point out the cavy with leather and I'll apologize for calling you names...

so where exactly is the great deal that these cars are supposed to be? you can put 5k into them and run low 12s? you can do that with a civic as well.

Yeah everyone was bitchin bang for the buck on the 4th gen :rolleyes: ...so let me get this straight I take a 13.5 LS1 put 5K and go 12.1...I take a 16.5 civic put 5K in it and also go 12.1...wow...I'm pretty sure for 5K on an ls1 I could break into the 11's easy...do you even read anything else on this board...

hell by that logic, those new electric cars are better than every car in the world because they dont need any mods to run with a viper stock.


and i dont even know WTF this means

Which would you rather be seen in? This:

http://www.ericksracing.com/images/gm1.jpg

or this?:

http://members.cox.net/mbrown777/7.jpg

Bolt-on LT1 + currently jetted w/100 shot. So yeah, it's fast too, it didn't cost me an arm and a leg (car or mods), and I didn't have to do any costly upgrades or find a bottom end from some other car.

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/1951/13.jpg

:D :usa:

and i dont even know WTF this means
dont worry, he doesnt either. ;)

[QUOTE=87camracer]matt matt matt. matty. mathew.

lol..

Can you really do better? or did you mean other people with Fbodys and more money? I notice everytime there is an import thread or any reference to a honda, you.skyhawk and 85_305 jumps on an anti Honda bandwagon. I have a question for all three of you. if you feel your cars are so great and a honda is so crappy, why exactly do you get worked up over the topics?

If you go to bed knowing your fbody was built to perfection, then why do you feel compelled to argue about what car is better? its evident that your are threatened by the cars and need to flame and bash to once again feel secure about owning an fbody. if I am wrong I apolgise and maybe you can explain the immature,comments,flaming and exagerations.

Yes, you are correct; Myself as well as others that come to THIS *CAMARO BOARD* to GET AWAY FROM THE IMPORT TRASH *do* get mad when the faggot's from some damned honduh-tech forum come here ONLY to start **** :rolleyes:
Why do I get worked up over this topic? Well maybe because as far as WORLDS HISTORY go, honduhs have never been ANYTHING except for granny-assed grocery getters. Old people and poor people drive them because they can always find them cheap (usually rusting in the early 90's and earlier's case) [NOTE: NO offense to the poor people of this board :) ] So.. all of a sudden, out of no-where a 117hp civic is fast according to these ***-loving faygoats. Ok.. 117hp is alot? Umm.. not the last time anybody checked the history books; my dads BONE STOCK 1967 Camaro 2spd had more power than that :rolleyes: Well, the ricer says "naw dog.. stick a turbo on that civic and I can take your V8!". Wow.. that is a relly valid argument for driving an ugly-assed, no-power, ballsless piece of freaking crap that is KILLING our economy and contributing to the japs (that by the way, take almost NOTHING from this country, yet we continue trade with them...) Ok.. so you take a 117 hp civic, slap on a turbo and call yourself fast. Wow.. you spent 10 grand on making your car as fast as a STOCK Camaro, Viper, what-have-you. Well, just to make this argument fair we are going to not only buy a turbo for 3g's, but use that 7g's you have left over (becaue we are spending the same ammount as you did on your honduh here...) and guess what? Since we have the turbo-LS1 in the 11's w/ just the turbo, spend that 7g's on some suspension/motor mods, and you are DEEP into the 8's or less.
Wow.. we have got a GREAT argument going on here eh?

geoff is right, every time theres a honda thread in here, skyhawk, 85_305(matt) and that vette guy come in with something stuck up their ass hell bent on making sure they argue without any facts. because ive never seen any facts posted by any of them. i just showed several examples to prove matt wrong.

Ok; facts. Lets talk facts. Your 2000? honduh puts out 117hp stock. (my dads 40+ year old Camaro put out TONS more than that stock, but hey; thats a different argument right?) A 2000? LS1 Camaro puts out over 300hp stock. Fact. Whose better? The honduh. Fact. Why? Because all it takes is 10g's in mods and you are on level with a BONE STOCK LS1. Fact. BUT.. there is a flipside to this convo. You can do one of 2 choices; you can take that SAME turbo that honduh used, and have 500+hp on that LS1. Or, as a second option you can take that 10g the honduh owner spent, and be well over 7-800 hp.
But hey; the honduh is better because you can spend TONS of money on it and STILL get NOWHERE :rolleyes: FACT.

That will never happen. the majority of this board is being controlled by his own ego/pride. and his ego will never give credit to a civic, instead will find ways to feel better about an fbody losing, I.e. excuses,flaming,what if scenarios etc.

Why the HELL would I give somebody that spend THOUSANDS of dollars on a honduh, FINALLY hit 13's, and has the UGLIEST and most TASTELESS car on the face of the planet, credit??? I took a, as everybody calls it, "boat-anchor of a 305", spent 400 bucks (including the rebuild..) and have MORE power than your "awesomely phat, hip-hop yo-yo g-money clip" honduhs are putting out; WITH TURBO'S AT THAT! Why in the FOCK would I commend somebody on that?
Well.. I can see *one* instance I would commend someone like that. Their insane stupidity. There is nothing more stupid than making a SLOOOOOW car faster, for the cost of buying a more superior car (such as a Camaro; like my dads 40+ year old Camaro Z28...) that will *still* edge that honduh out :rolleyes:

87cam...lets say you had the choice of either an 02 Trans Am or a 02 Civic, both of which would be given to you for free. You are given equal money to build up each, which would you rather have? Wouldnt you rather start with a bigger engine and a hell of a lot more HP?

the first three engines are all different

b18c
b18b
b16

now I don't know crap about any of these...nor am I gonna spend anytime looking them up...but which one goes in the 01 civic...the others did not specify if they were b52, b17s or what...also on the dynos none seemed to make any respectable power IMO (200+) until 6250 or so...now I think this gives the camaro the edge out the hole...unless its one of those gay races where they start at 40 or so...I dunno i don't like knowing some retard on a tricycle could take my car from a stop...but I will admit those cars do make good power after 9,000,000 RPMs...just not where I like it...as far as who will win...more info needed for the civic...and I think it depends on how they race...

Agreed, racing from a roll is not a race IMO, most would probably agree. All of these civics crack me up, I see them at the dragsrtip here all the time, even if they do make power they're running crappy times, like mid 12's at 115+

Gotcha....I agree.

I know, that's not what I'm argueing. I'm just saying that when a LT1 or LS1 loses for some unGodly reason to a cheap turbo'ed civic, they shouldn't come back with 'if I had a turbo'..and blah blah blah. The fact still remains in that instance that the civic won, and whether it's cheap or not it would still be a fast car and deserves the respect. When it comes to the drivers, that's a whole different story. Hope this is makin some sense, sounds a lot better in my head

Weird response.... I didn't flame the honda. What I said is the truth. Putting a turbo on a LT1, LS1, etc. will result in more hp than putting one on a Civic.

Jason
Can you really do better? or did you mean other people with Fbodys and more money? I notice everytime there is an import thread or any reference to a honda, you.skyhawk and 85_305 jumps on an anti Honda bandwagon. I have a question for all three of you. if you feel your cars are so great and a honda is so crappy, why exactly do you get worked up over the topics?

If you go to bed knowing your fbody was built to perfection, then why do you feel compelled to argue about what car is better? its evident that your are threatened by the cars and need to flame and bash to once again feel secure about owning an fbody. if I am wrong I apolgise and maybe you can explain the immature,comments,flaming and exagerations.

Yes, you are correct; Myself as well as others that come to THIS *CAMARO BOARD* to GET AWAY FROM THE IMPORT TRASH *do* get mad when the faggot's from some damned honduh-tech forum come here ONLY to start **** :rolleyes:
Why do I get worked up over this topic? Well maybe because as far as WORLDS HISTORY go, honduhs have never been ANYTHING except for granny-assed grocery getters. Old people and poor people drive them because they can always find them cheap (usually rusting in the early 90's and earlier's case) [NOTE: NO offense to the poor people of this board :) ] So.. all of a sudden, out of no-where a 117hp civic is fast according to these ***-loving faygoats. Ok.. 117hp is alot? Umm.. not the last time anybody checked the history books; my dads BONE STOCK 1967 Camaro 2spd had more power than that :rolleyes: Well, the ricer says "naw dog.. stick a turbo on that civic and I can take your V8!". Wow.. that is a relly valid argument for driving an ugly-assed, no-power, ballsless piece of freaking crap that is KILLING our economy and contributing to the japs (that by the way, take almost NOTHING from this country, yet we continue trade with them...) Ok.. so you take a 117 hp civic, slap on a turbo and call yourself fast. Wow.. you spent 10 grand on making your car as fast as a STOCK Camaro, Viper, what-have-you. Well, just to make this argument fair we are going to not only buy a turbo for 3g's, but use that 7g's you have left over (becaue we are spending the same ammount as you did on your honduh here...) and guess what? Since we have the turbo-LS1 in the 11's w/ just the turbo, spend that 7g's on some suspension/motor mods, and you are DEEP into the 8's or less.
Wow.. we have got a GREAT argument going on here eh?

dude you drive a 300hp turd gen. im sorry but i also own a turd gen. these cars are far from good cars until a LOT of money has been dropped into them. and di you not see what i wrote about? Geoff (aka GotBoost??) OWNS a turbo honda. he built a home made turbo setup with premade parts, slapped it together and went low 12s@120mph. i know the guy personally, he is cheap (as am i) so there is no way on gods green earth he spent 10k on mods. maybe 10k WITH car and every nut and bolt but not 10k on the engine. 10k in engine work would have you pushing 600+hp. period. if you dont believe i can gladly send you people that have done it.

and fwiw if you can call me a faggot then i have every right to call you a f*cking moron if you think you can go from an 11 second turbo ls1 to an 8 second ls1 just by adding suspension pieces. yeah such a great arguement. lots of talk and no action. hell you are working on a 300hp boat anchor, sky whatever is working on building some god aweful expensive engine thats supposedly gonna beat every import in this world, geoff is build a street monster that is not gonna be easy to beat. im workin on a street monster that wont be easy to beat. im willing to bet when the dust settles neither of you two will beat me or geoff. and ill gladly keep reciepts for you and your lover skyhog if you want me to.

Ok; facts. Lets talk facts. Your 2000? honduh puts out 117hp stock. (my dads 40+ year old Camaro put out TONS more than that stock, but hey; thats a different argument right?) A 2000? LS1 Camaro puts out over 300hp stock. Fact. Whose better? The honduh. Fact. Why? Because all it takes is 10g's in mods and you are on level with a BONE STOCK LS1. Fact. BUT.. there is a flipside to this convo. You can do one of 2 choices; you can take that SAME turbo that honduh used, and have 500+hp on that LS1. Or, as a second option you can take that 10g the honduh owner spent, and be well over 7-800 hp.
But hey; the honduh is better because you can spend TONS of money on it and STILL get NOWHERE FACT.

i still see no facts. just useless rambling with incoherent sentence structures that would have even the smartest english teacher wanting to slit their wrists. get back to me with ACTUAL facts. not this pithy bs.

Why the HELL would I give somebody that spend THOUSANDS of dollars on a honduh, FINALLY hit 13's, and has the UGLIEST and most TASTELESS car on the face of the planet, credit??? I took a, as everybody calls it, "boat-anchor of a 305", spent 400 bucks (including the rebuild..) and have MORE power than your "awesomely phat, hip-hop yo-yo g-money clip" honduhs are putting out; WITH TURBO'S AT THAT! Why in the FOCK would I commend somebody on that?
Well.. I can see *one* instance I would commend someone like that. Their insane stupidity. There is nothing more stupid than making a SLOOOOOW car faster, for the cost of buying a more superior car (such as a Camaro; like my dads 40+ year old Camaro Z28...) that will *still* edge that honduh out

notice how this thread is exactly like every other thread with you and skyhog in it? neither Geoof nor i call any names. we are not rude nor are we breaking any rules. the guy in this thread asked a question, we gave answers and then you two come in here telling us we are and i quote "ricer faggots" because we are not bashing a honda on a domestic board. you see this kind of childish sh*t happening on a honda board? no. they generally give credit where credits due and if someone does come in and bash people are quick to pull the trigger on them. want proof? ill be more than happy to show you.

87cam...lets say you had the choice of either an 02 Trans Am or a 02 Civic, both of which would be given to you for free. You are given equal money to build up each, which would you rather have? Wouldnt you rather start with a bigger engine and a hell of a lot more HP?

a black 02 ws6 is a realistic dream car of mine. only because i like the way it looks. ls1s sound nice also. i wont deny either of those. but it really depends on what i would be doing with the car. if its for an all around car i wouldnt take either it would be what im currently working for. fact is, ive got a 5.7 liter engine now that ill probably be soon selling for something smaller because it fits the type of engine required for my project. stock hp numbers really dont mean dick to me once you start modding. look at the supra guys making 400rwhp that start at ls1 levels with just minor bolt ons. or the 03 cobra guys makin 450rwhp with minor bolt ons or 500rwhp with most of the bigger bolt ons. thats fine. ls1s make 450rwhp sometimes with heads and cam. ive seen 500rwhp with heads and cam on an NA 346. i wont take that away but it doesnt have the type of powerband i want. plain and simple.

*EDIT*o ya, and aron, you must not like nascaar then. ive never seen them race from a stop. in fact off the top of my head (im kinda tired so thats why) i cant think of many racing leagues that DONT race from a roll. :)

Dude, you never stop talking about Hondas, it's gets sooo old. Here's a fact for you: You can pump as much boost into that Civic as you want....I can do the same thing to my LS1 and make way more power. You don't seem to comprehend that anything you do to a Civic can be done to the LT1 or Ls1, and since we're starting with 5.7L of displacement to begin with, we'll always make more power. So stfu about your 117 hp econoboxes and take it to a site that cares.

Jason
that so? care to tell me what they are? because way i see it, people that bought 4th gens in some cases paid 20-30k for a decent engine and tranny, a pos rear end, a sub par suspension, and an interior that makes a cavalier look like a Benz. so where exactly is the great deal that these cars are supposed to be? you can put 5k into them and run low 12s? you can do that with a civic as well. hell by that logic, those new electric cars are better than every car in the world because they dont need any mods to run with a viper stock.

geoff is right, every time theres a honda thread in here, skyhawk, 85_305(matt) and that vette guy come in with something stuck up their ass hell bent on making sure they argue without any facts. because ive never seen any facts posted by any of them. i just showed several examples to prove matt wrong. hell come back with some idiotic notion abotu rwd bein superior (even tho thats not what we are agruing about here) and how the 205wtq that one made is really low (again not what we are arguing here) and never post anything difference. i only know what one of them drives and its a carbed 305 3rd gen. hell my bolt on L98 wouldnt have any problem with that. but do you see me making repetative posts sh*t talking his car? :confused: :rolleyes:

85_305 I didnt realise how immature you were until now and how much you lack the ability to compose proper sentences, I know this isnt a classroom this is just the internet talking about cars, but ther eis no escuse for such illiteracy, between that and your evident lack of comprehension and critical thinking skills I am going to have to disregard everying that you just said.

Skyhawk do you have any current status pics of your setup, and any chance it will be ready within two months?

Ok, retard, here goes. Never lecture someone on their English skills when you don't have any yourself. Realize is spelled with a "Z." Excuse has never been spelled "escuse." You put a space in an improper spot "ther eis." That is a gigantic run-on sentence. There are apostrophes in contractions. No wonder you argue for Hondas, you are a grade-A moron who thinks he is smarter than everyone else. Get a clue!

lol.. :bow:

Ok, retard, here goes. Never lecture someone on their English skills when you don't have any yourself. Realize is spelled with a "Z." Excuse has never been spelled "escuse." You put a space in an improper spot "ther eis." That is a gigantic run-on sentence. There are apostrophes in contractions. No wonder you argue for Hondas, you are a grade-A moron who thinks he is smarter than everyone else. Get a clue!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :bow:

As this thread has gone to fizuk...87 cam or Gotboost? (since cam says he knows you I figure you too might be from around the KC area)do you know a 95-96 ish just guesing here)hatch civic...white or off white...that ran around last summer or maybe the one before :think:...had a turbo...the only time I saw it, it raced a 68 SS down by Kemper...the 68 was unfamiliar with the road and ran into a fence :eek:...maybe you saw or heard of that race...anyway just wondering if you know that car...as it was the fastest civic I have seen around here ever...

As this thread has gone to fizuk...87 cam or Gotboost? (since cam says he knows you I figure you too might be from around the KC area)do you know a 95-96 ish just guesing here)hatch civic...white or off white...that ran around last summer or maybe the one before :think:...had a turbo...the only time I saw it, it raced a 68 SS down by Kemper...the 68 was unfamiliar with the road and ran into a fence :eek:...maybe you saw or heard of that race...anyway just wondering if you know that car...as it was the fastest civic I have seen around here ever...

hes not from around here. and ive never heard of that car nor that race? sounds pretty bad tho...

Dude, you never stop talking about Hondas, it's gets sooo old. Here's a fact for you: You can pump as much boost into that Civic as you want....I can do the same thing to my LS1 and make way more power. You don't seem to comprehend that anything you do to a Civic can be done to the LT1 or Ls1, and since we're starting with 5.7L of displacement to begin with, we'll always make more power. So stfu about your 117 hp econoboxes and take it to a site that cares.

Jason

let me spell it out for you since you seem to have the reading comprehension skills of a 2nd grader. actually better yet, please directly quote me where ive EVER said that you couldnt do the same to the fbody. fact is ive never said that. this is the part that pisses me off the most about this. someone in this situation asks a question. i answer it. then some dumbass comes in running his mouth about stuff he doesnt know anything about. i correct him, and here we are. neither i nor geoff started this thread, we answered a question we knew the answer to. it YOU guys that always get bent out of shape for some unknown reason. is it small man syndrome? i mean did you buy your car to make up where you are lacking and then find out you can do the same with another car thats a "lesser" car? does it make you some how less of a man if a honda beats you? i dunno wtf your problem is but you need to chill the f*ck out.

I don't even know why I bother with you, but here goes nothing.

<i mean did you buy your car to make up where you are lacking and then find out you can do the same with another car thats a "lesser" car?>

And that's my point. You can't. You can take a lesser car and spend $5k on it, but guess what, I can take the LS1, spend $5k on it and it'll be faster. We'll always be able to do that because we are NOT starting with a lesser car. You are the one patrolling this board for Honda content and then starting flames, not us. You guys are the ones on an FBody board telling us that the Fbody is a problematic cavalier and 4 cyl. honda engines have twice the powerband. Sounds like you have the small man issue, not us. We just don't like having our rides insulted by people who are so obviously ignorant to anything non-honda.

As far as the insults in your post (if you'll notice, I never insulted you, but you resort to it instantly). First let me say that I find it ironic that someone who can't even use correct grammar, spelling or sentence structure is insulting my intelligence. I'm a college educated small biz owner whose been modding/building cars since 1990. I was building turbo Supras before this board existed and had my own speed shop before you were most likely old enough to drive.

And I have a 9" penis:)

Jason

Skyhawk I asked you twice and Pm'ed you, when do you estimate your car will be ready to run?

I found two threads Skyhawk

This (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=362207)

and

This (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=362126)

In one thread you're not sure what rearend to go with. in the other thread you dont know what tranny to go with, so I am wondering how you plan on beating EVERY honda when you dont even know what you're doing?

from the second link I get the impression that you want to make 600+. that should be fun, but what honda do you think that will beat besides all motor and low boost setups? that is less power than some people have. with far less power to weight. :p

But then in This (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312115)

you said "My goals are 390-400rwhp and i would really like to stay N/A with the head/cam but if this is an unrealistic goal going the N/A route than just tell me and i can lower it." :confused:

So now I am not so sure, which is it, a 400hp N/a fbody or a 600hp supercharged one? you also mentioned in the same thread you want it to be Reliable so Im betting you are not shooting for past 500hp. you made it seem like you were in the middle of building a 1200hp drag car

in THIS (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=357257)

you said you JUST learned to drive a stick, and it was of all cars a HONDA so you dont seem to have much racing experience (or driving) :lol:


anyway regardless, let me know when you estimate your car to be ready.
yeah dude honestly i have no idea what im doing yet, i said it was going to be a while. Im just throwing around a bunch of ideas right now, but i am going to do something. I have the money to do it i just have to decide what im going to do. Im not just gonna throw sh!t together and hope it works, im trying to plan it out. I was gonna go N/A but i dont know right now, just getting some ideas.

:lol: and if you want to drive over here to Charlotte just to race me thats more than fine with me, id probaly laugh in your face when you got here. By the way, how old are you?

I don't even know why I bother with you, but here goes nothing.

<i mean did you buy your car to make up where you are lacking and then find out you can do the same with another car thats a "lesser" car?>

And that's my point. You can't. You can take a lesser car and spend $5k on it, but guess what, I can take the LS1, spend $5k on it and it'll be faster. We'll always be able to do that because we are NOT starting with a lesser car. You are the one patrolling this board for Honda content and then starting flames, not us. You guys are the ones on an FBody board telling us that the Fbody is a problematic cavalier and 4 cyl. honda engines have twice the powerband. Sounds like you have the small man issue, not us. We just don't like having our rides insulted by people who are so obviously ignorant to anything non-honda.

As far as the insults in your post (if you'll notice, I never insulted you, but you resort to it instantly). First let me say that I find it ironic that someone who can't even use correct grammar, spelling or sentence structure is insulting my intelligence. I'm a college educated small biz owner whose been modding/building cars since 1990. I was building turbo Supras before this board existed and had my own speed shop before you were most likely old enough to drive.

And I have a 9" penis:)

Jason

you really dont know how to comprehend things do you? that piece of paper from college doesnt show very much evidently. show me where i bashed someones car BEFORE someone bashed a honda. if you canfind one ill go back right now and edit that because that was never my intent.

and as far as having a speed shop and this and that, you want a cookie? because i really dont give a sh*t. i argued when someone said something that was wrong. it was you guys calling honda owners "ricer faggots". im done with you. :rolleyes:

why doesnt someone just ban these people? its obvious that they only come in here to talk sh!t whenever the word "Honda" is mentioned. GotBoost? signed up just to talk sh!t and to post videos about Hondas, thats all his posts are about so that would make him a troll right there. At any other forum yall would be banned. People have gotten banned for doing much less at this site in the past. This is ridiculous.

This would be like me going to Honda-Acura.com or somewhere and continuing to post videos about Camaros beating Hondas on a Honda messageboard, thats just asking for trouble and id do it just to piss them off. Obviously your doing the same, your life is so boring that you have to come on here and get your friends to start sh!t on here posting Honda stuff on a CAMARO messageboard. This is why we have seperate messageboards for different cars, camaro owners dont come here to hear about Hondas and Honda owners down go to their messageboards to hear about Camaros.

I mean yall even looked up my AIM s/n and IMed me talking sh!t, what are we in 6th grade again or something? Next i know yall will be showing up at my door or something, I mean come on. This has gotten ridiculous.

I was actually going to respond to your PM and actually ask you what you were doing to your car and a nice way and just talk to you about it, and then you go off like that. Fawk that.

But that's what the Civic did. They took a cheap car, slapped on a turbo and now they're happy they can run with stock v8's. Whoopi. Give me a cheap LT1, slap a turbo on it and I'll run with Vipers. Anything the honda can do we can do better....

Jasonyes yes..good point

First you say..



:lol: alright obviously when i said that it was just to get you all butthurt and worked up about it and obviously it worked. My car just got paid off and i had the money to buy a vette but ive always wanted to do something to my current car and so thats what i decided to do. The money that i was going to spend on the vette is going into the car, vettes arent cheap, you decide how much money i have to spend on the car. So i am and i do have the money to do something.

And to the full of hot air thing--im not even gonna respond to that b/c i personally dont give a sh!t what someone on a messageboard thinks about me, thats the last thing i worry about. :lol:

But as your good friend 87cam would say, "Im done". I just wont respond to any more of these threads b/c its pointless, i feel like my IQ has gone down by responding to these threads. :o But you my friend have a great day. :thumb:

but..your screen name is yellavette , no I'm just nit picking :) but seriously. there are a few flaws in what you are saying, for one I have seen a fully built fbody with a t74 run a 9.9@140. I have seen street hondas go faster.

To this day I have never seen ANY street fbody push 25+psi, this is for a reason. but at the end of the day what does it matter? fast is fast. if a 600hp fbody runs 10's and a 400hp fbody runs the same times, what does it matter who has more power. if another car is just as fast with less? wouldnt a viper engine make mor epower with the same mods as an fbody? so why get an fbody?

Really? You've seen a FULLY built fbody run 9.9? I went to the tract last week and saw fbodys running 6.2s-8.4s. Funny how I didn't seen any 'street' hondas there. Most street hondas/acuras will be in the 12s-14s with turbos of course and probably gutted out. Sounds like a great 'street' machine to me that is still slow.

LOL....you talk about comprehension as if you understand what it means. Do you think everyone here has forgotten the things you've said in the past and that the only thing that matters is what you've said in this topic?? Who are you trying to kid? All we have to do is a search under your username to see what you've said. Try it, you might be surprised at how much you resemble a troll.

Btw, never once did I insult you or hondas. Don't know where you got that "ricer faggot" thing from, but it wasn't me. I've always tried to be civilized in my posts.

Jason
you really dont know how to comprehend things do you? that piece of paper from college doesnt show very much evidently. show me where i bashed someones car BEFORE someone bashed a honda. if you canfind one ill go back right now and edit that because that was never my intent.

and as far as having a speed shop and this and that, you want a cookie? because i really dont give a sh*t. i argued when someone said something that was wrong. it was you guys calling honda owners "ricer faggots". im done with you. :rolleyes:

I've seen people on here with more work done than that and a turbo kit thrown on. Sure that's 'fully' built but can be made a lot faster. That's exactly like comparing that car to your average racer honda with a turbo because so much more CAN be done. So I would call that a built car, but not 'fully' built. Still would be like comparing, once again, a 13 sec honda to a 9 sec fbody. Only a 4 sec different? riiigghhhhtttttt

Well this whole post is argumentative. I'm not trying to talk down to you at all, just explain where I'm coming from. I don't have a problem with anyone here and would like to keep it that way. You're right by saying that he's not missing anything, that's not really what I meant. I was just at the track and watched fbodys runnin 6s and such with blowers that, besides a hood, tires, and exhaust, would look just stock. I'm saying that I've never seen hondas running ANYWHERE near those time without pretty much nothing stock but the body. And to get into the 9s with hondas, doesn't that usually include a motor swap followed by everything else?

THIS (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=329563) is a thread of yours first of all

. "sittin" is not in the dictionary.
.never has cruising been spelled "crusing".
. "fartcan" is two words not one.
. ALL apostophes and commas are placed incorrectly.
. that is one GIANT run-on sentence

"There hasn't been a car yet that speeds by my place making all kinds of noise that is actually fast...."

The above sentence is redundant

Now you can nit pick all day long, but NEVER have I totally annhilated the English language. 85_305, has a blatant Literacy problem. no wonder you are so hypocritical, you drive an fbody.

Ya, the difference being I don't lecture people on their English skills. You tried to come off as smarter than these other people, and I put you in your place. If I wanted to properly compose every post of mine, I would. Next time you try to lecture someone, make sure you can do it correctly.

Show us the fully built honda you're talking about and let's compare different cars. Get everyone's opinion on this. Let's bring some facts in here so people can stop being immature and name-calling.
I'm trying to be on both sides and understand where everyone is coming from, but it's not going to change my OPINION that fbodys will always be better

Now I don't have a problem admiting that it is a fast car. If you want me to pick on it, those tires are illegal for the streets (at least where I am) because they stick outside the fenders, lol. Any car can be made fast. Hell, my 87 POS Accord (work car, I know) could be a 9 sec rocket if I really wanted it to be. But you have to admit it is easier to put any fbody in that time bracket. That being said, it is more common to see fbodys hitting 9s and faster because of that. At least that Acura doesn't have a huge wing, lol.

I was just jokin about the tires, but ya, I see what you mean. I also agree with you about the awd drive cars running better 60ft times. In my personal experience from owning both awd and a couple camaros, I've noticed that my camaros have been a lot more dependable when modding got in the picture. The awd's will make better 60s, but how many times will that happen before they break?

But you have to admit it is easier to put any fbody in that time bracket. That being said, it is more common to see fbodys hitting 9s and faster because of that.

see where does everyone pick that up from? i nor geoff have ever said that you cant. we argued that its not as hard as one would think to make a honda fastER. ive never ever said that fwd can be made into a better drag car than rwd. if i have i must have been drunk when i posted. :lol: but seriously, where in this post have we said this? everyone that argues us keeps saying the same damn thing, they will change the words around a bit but we never get anywhere. post some cold hard facts (like links to people doing it) that prove we are wrong. because mathew on the first page said 250hp on a stock engine wasnt possible. i posted SEVERAL people doing it. he didnt say stock bottom end for that car or anything like that. he said stock bottom end. period. thats what i posted. yet somehow now according to him and everyone else in this thread we are now saying an fbody isnt as good of a drag car??? where in the world did that come from? :confused:

Hey, pull your panties out of your crack there buddy. I was having a discussion with gotboost in a civilized manner and that was related to everything we were talking about. I'm not even going to waste my time starting the same discussion with you (or anyone else). So in the words of Fez...Good day, I said good day!

What you say is exactly true! Boost on a Viper will net more hp than boost on an Fbody because of cubes....just like boost on a Fbody will net more hp than boost on a Honda. It's all about moving air and more cubes moves more air. The vibe I've been getting from you guys (mainly 87camracer) is that hondas have the corner on (or an advantage in) that particular market, and they don't. It's always going to be easier to squeeze extra hp out of a larger engine than a smaller one, no matter what means you use. If the honda's engine was built for boost like the Cobra or Supra, then they'd have a decided advantage as they wouldn't have to replace internals to run big hp, but you've gotto do the same stuff to the honda as you do the fbody to make big power.

You may have seen a built Fbody run 9's, but they've run 7's as well. Guess it depends on your definition of built. I had a bud with a mondo blower on his 383 Vette that trapped at 150 mph....with full interior. So although you may never have seen it, it's being done all the time.

<if a 600hp fbody runs 10's and a 400hp fbody runs the same times, what does it matter who has more power.>

No, it doesn't matter if you're talking about dragstrip racing. But take traction (or lack of) out of the equation and you know who'll win. As far as street and road racing, the 600 hp car is gonna dominate.

Anyway, it's nice that you can post a different opinion without insults. It's appreciated.

Jason

but..your screen name is yellavette , no I'm just nit picking :) but seriously. there are a few flaws in what you are saying, for one I have seen a fully built fbody with a t74 run a 9.9@140. I have seen street hondas go faster.

To this day I have never seen ANY street fbody push 25+psi, this is for a reason. but at the end of the day what does it matter? fast is fast. if a 600hp fbody runs 10's and a 400hp fbody runs the same times, what does it matter who has more power. if another car is just as fast with less? wouldnt a viper engine make mor epower with the same mods as an fbody? so why get an fbody?

Very true, and I agree. My issue was with camracer talking about how you can make the honda faster for cheaper and it's got a better powerband, etc.etc. Can I ask why you prefer a fwd car? Is it just the cost of the car or would you get a Honda regardless of price?

Jason
I still see couple things I dont agree with but as this thread is dieing down Im just gonna say this. as far as STREET cars go, Not all out drag cars, but street cars. I have seen,been in, and owned very fast ones. people will always have a preference, as it is right now my preference is a honda. makes no sense to list them because evidently not many here will accept it. but at the end of the day its what I want/like and it can easily go faster than I want it to. thats all that matters.

If you set a goal and you get there, what difference does it make how much work you put into it to accomplish the goal? someone with a stalled auto SHOULD get lower et's than someone with an m6, mod for mod. but people still chose to run manuals instead. Fox bodys are fairly light and have been proven to be a good base for a straightline car, but if you prefer Fbody's then your not going to get one. its not always about how easy it is or how much you can save, its about making something you like go faster and have fun doing it.

see where does everyone pick that up from? i nor geoff have ever said that you cant. we argued that its not as hard as one would think to make a honda fastER. ive never ever said that fwd can be made into a better drag car than rwd. if i have i must have been drunk when i posted. :lol: but seriously, where in this post have we said this? everyone that argues us keeps saying the same damn thing, they will change the words around a bit but we never get anywhere. post some cold hard facts (like links to people doing it) that prove we are wrong. because mathew on the first page said 250hp on a stock engine wasnt possible. i posted SEVERAL people doing it. he didnt say stock bottom end for that car or anything like that. he said stock bottom end. period. thats what i posted. yet somehow now according to him and everyone else in this thread we are now saying an fbody isnt as good of a drag car??? where in the world did that come from? :confused:

What? Are you joking GEOFF? (notice the similarities in names people??)
I said no honduh starting with 117hp, with TURBO ALONE, will make more than 230hp. THOSE were my guidlines. And I *hate* to break your bubble, but I did not say ANYTHING of the sort in regards to "yet somehow now according to him and everyone else in this thread we are now saying an fbody isnt as good of a drag car", you are one crazy man. I NEVER said anything about that :think: But I *did* say something along the lines of, if you actually PREFER a POS granny-getter over a 300+hp LS1, then you are absolutely CRAZY.

plus the whole sleeper aspect, the idle sounds near stock so there is no way to tell the car pushes out 400+ hp until you hear the wastegate open up and your being pulled on insanely hard.

But, then it dawns on you; "In all reality, I am still driving an ugly, tasteless, granny-getting honduh, so nobody really cares about this except all the other local rice-boys"

lol and what is an 85 maro??...:P...gotcha
by the way boost is adictive...kinda like an unending nitrous shot..gotta love it:)

I Dont like 85 camaros, if you like it good for you

85 camaro exterior (http://www.bildelarosby.se/camaro.85.a.jpg)

95 civic coupe exterior (http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNjg5MDgzNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE=.jpg)

85 camaro interior (http://www.17bcars.com/Car%20Pages/chevy/87%20Camaro%20Interior.jpg)

Civic interior (http://www.shift-hard.com/images/031105/bah5.jpg)

Ugly (http://www.largesock.com/photos/camaro-front-low-apr-01.jpg)

Gorgoeus (http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNjg5MDg0NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg)

But whatever floats your boat, we seem to have the same negative opinons on each other cars. I wont lose sleep.


C'mon now be fair...you did pick a **** box of a camaro...and custom civic... :p

Oh ya, wow, a Civic with rims...soo...gorgeous....ya right. I see one every 4th car when I'm driving. Not that I like '85 Camaros either. I can't believe you'd call a Civic gorgeous...they are so plain!! All to their own I guess...I used to own a '96 EX, so I know what I'm talking about. And it sucked.

Your coupe would look great in my rear view mirror ;)

That is what we have been doing this entire thread, smart guy.

No, but you posting pics about what your personal preference of cars is and calling the Camaro ugly sure is!

I still say your car looks good in my mirrors :lol:

I think a rusted out Yugo looks 300% percent better than all of them. :p

I think a rusted out Yugo looks 300% percent better than all of them. :p
I hear that!

I still think your car is less reliable than yoru trailor home in a Florida category 5 hurricane :)
Maybe in a couple years, but with the miles mine has on it it has been pretty reliable, probably will be for a little while anyhow.

You can keep trying to convince youself..
I am convinced that you are stupid. I admitted that LT1s aren't reliable!! But I haven't had any problems with mine thus far, and I doubt I will for some time to come. I'd rather have a less reliable car than one that has to take hills in third gear anyday! And don't try to tell me that it doesn't, remember I had one...I still say it sucked. 30 MPGs is great, except for feeling like I belonged in Gaytown USA every time I drove it.

I guess everyone is just gonna have to agree to disagree around here, we are just beating our heads into walls trying to talk to one another.

You owned a turbocharged civic before? :bs:

I have no reason to lie about this kinda stuff...mine wasn't turboed, no, but I have driven them before. A good friend of mine runs a speed shop that deals almost exclusively with imports, that bastard ;)

Doesnt matter, imo I think 85 camaros are boxy and their interiors are ultra plain and ugly, I have seen all kinds and I still dont like them, I think first gen camaros and 98+ ws6's are the only good looking fbody's. but thats ok its just my opinion. I still think my coupe looks 100% better, I guess personal preference is the next thing we are going to argue about before the thread gets locked.

I wasn't arguing your personal preference...I already picked up on what that was and never slammed you for it yet...but out of decency if your going to compare photos of cars at least try not to make it look so biased in your presentation of them...

Soo.... umm... did the race ever happen???

Over 100 replies and nothing really useful as of late... just childish bickering.

Think this one's out lived its usefulness. Y'all run along now and find something else to bitch about...

-Mindgame