94 Cobra

So I was coming from the mall this afternoon. I noticed a red Cobra tailing me the whole way back. I had my wife and two daughters in the car with me, so I was not about to hit high mph range on the freeway, so I exited. I came up to the stop light, rolled down my window and asked if his was modded. He says no, "It's stock" with a cocky face. So I said lets go. As the light turned green we both nailed it. My tires kept spinning through first and second, the funny thing is, as I was spinning I was still about a bumper ahead. I had my windows rolled down and was laughing because the drivers expression was like damn, he is spinning and still along side of me, lol. Finally the MARO grabbed and I was GONE!!! As I passed him I was yelling out "CHEVY, CHEVY"! Slow a** Cobra. Oh yea, his passenger had his arm resting on the door, by the time I embarresed them his face was like , with his arm back in the cockpit. I pulled up to him at the next light and asked him if he was spinning as well, he said no. His excuse was I have a smaller engine and that mine did not sound stock! My question is, How much HP does a stock (so he says) Cobra have?

lol very nice 4 heads in the car? very nice lol ya im not a bigg fan of mustangs except 03-04 cobras

yeah you got to respect them 03-04's

So I was coming from the mall this afternoon. I noticed a red Cobra tailing me the whole way back. I had my wife and two daughters in the car with me.........As I passed him I was yelling out "CHEVY, CHEVY"!

You are married with kids and yelling out of a window at a bunch of kids???? Good kill....I guess. I think the '94 (non mod motor) cobra was rated at 300hp at the crank. No match for most LT1's or all LS1's if the cobra is stock. What did you run them in....an LS1??? Just a guess

Later

thats weak if it was stock. Only came with 240 horses from the factory.
Good kill though, Mustang driver's are cocky!! 0-60 in 6.5 sec.

sn cobras are are rated at 240 hp 5.0...generally a high 14 second car...I killed one really bad in my basically stock 97 LT1 a few years back.

Thanks for the correction guys......I was giving more credit than was due to the 5.0

Later

Mustang driver's are cocky!! 0-60 in 6.5 sec.LOL what a bad stereotype, but LS1 guys weren't cocky for 6 years until the terminator came out and started kickin its ass? :lol:

it's all good, the new camaro is getting the Ls6 engine!!!! Can't wait to drive it!! :bow: :bow: :bow:

it's all good, the new camaro is getting the Ls6 engine!!!! Can't wait to drive it!! :bow: :bow: :bow: HUH :confused:

it's all good, the new camaro is getting the Ls6 engine!!!! Can't wait to drive it!! :bow: :bow: :bow:

:cough: Gt 500 :cough:

:D :D :bow:

Later

well my dad went to the gm dealer, and the manager told him that the camaro would be reborn in 07-08 with the new Ls6 engine.

:cough: Gt 500 :cough:

:D :D :bow:

Later
Yea I was just reading that article 450 hp :bow: ...why would the new camaro (wasnt even aware a new one was comming out til atleast 07 :confused: ) come out w/ a LS6 (have no clue where you got your info. from), if anything it would be the LS2...LS6 is considered old technology now.

Just imagine.....The lightning motor w/ 4 valve set up stuffed into a car that is about 2000 lbs lighter :D :bow: :eek: . Cannot wait till my mod motor builder gets his 4 valve intake made for his Lightning...I WILL BE NEXT!!!!!

Later

oops I mean ls7 sorry.

Yup wife and kids were in the car. I didn't want to but I was confertable with the terrain and was firmiliar with that area. I let off about 80 mph. I was yelling out the windows trying to convince him to opt out for a CHEVY.

oops I mean ls7 sorry. Dont hold your breath, we all know its comming out in next years $75,000 c6 z06, I think a few folks would be pissed if the same engine came out a year later in a $30,000 car. If anything it will be probably be gettin a LS2 or a revised LS2 whenever or if it even comes out at all.

thats how it used to be in the past. The corvette carried the Lt1, so did the camaro. So did the ls1 camaro and corvette. Why wouldn't the new maro carry the ls7? Mayb a more tamed version.

Like people have stated, it would get the ls2, not the ls7. The ls7 is the 427ci, and it pretty damn pricey.

the ls2 is what is in the c6.

theres no 07 camaro. gm hasnt even released any info about this. that dealer was full of crap. no ls6 camaro. no ls2 camaro and certainly no ls7 camaro.

and props for racin with your kids in the car. workin on bein a real winner there. :rolleyes:

Not gonna bash you or anything, cause I only seem to have people try and race me when I got the family with me, and it's soooo tempting, but you gotta resist the urge. Anything could happen....it's just not worth it. Plus a cop would really be p*ssed if you got pulled.

Jason
Yup wife and kids were in the car. I didn't want to but I was confertable with the terrain and was firmiliar with that area. I let off about 80 mph. I was yelling out the windows trying to convince him to opt out for a CHEVY.

ok i gotta ask... seriously... what makes you a ford_import Hater??... i mean i drive a ford...2 of em actually and do i HATE GM products or camaro's??...hell no!... i may be jelous of the performance of the stock ls1's and the numbers they can throw down but i mean my dog didn't get run over by one .. and my ex didn't leave me for a troll in a 02 Z...comon really.. it sounds cool to say you ahte Fords or anything in general but in reality there still making thos products and yours is going the way of the dodo bird....lol...not tryin to start a flame war but screamin out your window "GET A CHEVY" as your going by just wreaks of small penis syndrom:P... have a nice day:)

:cough: Gt 500 :cough:

:D :D :bow:

Later

Corvette is going to be almost as fast with a lot less price, HELLO!

I think that the whole "buy a chevy", I hate imports and fords is a friendly competition kinda thing. Just like you'll see guys talking trash during football games on seperate teams then after the game they are good buds. I have a buddy with a Corba and I give him hell, but at the end of the day we're all friends. Most of the time when I hate a car its because of the owner's attitude. Example, raced a Mach 1, lost but the guy was great to talk to, didnt race an LS1 and he was the biggest a-hole to me and my friend. So I dont hate his ride, just him :D

-Dustin-

Corvette is going to be almost as fast with a lot less price, HELLO! If your talkin about the c6 LS2 vette your soarly mistaken. The 03/04 Cobras are a good run for them as they are now if not beat them...The GT 500 will anniliate them, some of you guys in this thread are talkin outta your ass gotta get your facts straight...1st we have a new camaro comming out w/ a LS7 :confused: now this :lol:

Lets just put it this way....STEROIDS (superchargers or turbos)! Thats about the only way they can compete with the BIG DOGS! Besides, this is a CHEVY forum.

Lets just put it this way....STEROIDS (superchargers or turbos)! Thats about the only way they can compete with the BIG DOGS! Besides, this is a CHEVY forum.
Who cares how they get it done, as long as it is fast :confused: The GT 500 is estimated to cost like $40,000 right now...so it is also cheaper than the Vette. The new Z06 will outrun the GT 500 sure, but it will cost alot more too.

this is a CHEVY forum.How do you what type of forum this is, you havent even been here a mth :lol:, most of us like and respect both stangs and camaros...and please dont start that ford needs a blower to compete crap...how about that mach 1, no blower just a stock dohc and it generally runs right w/ 6spd LS1's...newflash camaro is gone and the stangs are still going strong. Camaro is no longer competition for the mustang

Lets just put it this way....STEROIDS (superchargers or turbos)! Thats about the only way they can compete with the BIG DOGS! Besides, this is a CHEVY forum.
I bet I know a N/A 4.6 that can compete with the "BIG DOGS."

your right... this is a chevy forum... and a damn nice one too... you go right ahead and Hate all ya want its a free country...i was just wondering if you had a witty or humorous reply for me... obviously not... im sorry my attempt at sarcasm and general mischief went over your head...now to get back to reality and actually make my car run this summer:P

Lets just put it this way....STEROIDS (superchargers or turbos)! Thats about the only way they can compete with the BIG DOGS! Besides, this is a CHEVY forum.

Don't hate the STOCK supercharger aspirated FORD motors...... I also have a PONTIAC Formula.....Guess I cannot post here EVER!!!!!!! What is a BIG DOG anyways???? Oh well....I am going to crawl my non-camaro having self back under my rock so that the "big dogs" :rolleyes: can use this forum.

Geesh....And he only has 40 posts :cool: :eek:

LAter

It does not matter how many posts I have here. We all started with just 1 or 40 in a month or 2. I respect ford, don't get me wrong however, I just can't stand how cocky their drivers can be.

i wouldnt exactly call the LS1 the "Big Dog" and as for the steroids comment about the supercharger and whatnot, thats just a stupid argument. Ford Drivers can say "well you guys have 5.7Liters" it can go on and on and on. there really is no point arguing about how great Chevy or Ford is....

You are right! In fact after it was all said and done, he did say that he has a smalller engine. I just don't like their cocky attitudes. So I guess I can say FORD_IMPORT_COCKY_DRIVER_HATER....lol.

yeah some of the cobra drivers not just '03-'04 can be very cocky, bot not all are like that

I guess I shouldnt take it personal.

I don't see how this guy was cocky at all. You were the one yelling stuff out your window. You are 30 something and come off as having the maturity of a 16 year old.

What year Camaro do you have and what are your mods?

Also a stock 94 Cobra will do much better than high 14s with a good driver. They are underrated from the factory. No match for a stock LS1 but an LT1 will not kill it. I have beaten near stock LT1s.

I'll stoop down to your level. So, since you HATE Ford I HATE YOU.

I happen to own a FORD and am not biased I love all performance cars but this is the best I can afford now and I got to make the best out of it!

Ford underated? More like overated. My camaro is stock, he was an alright driver as myself and yes he was cocky. After I stopped spinning I did leave him about 1 1/2 car lengths behind. If your not cocky, then thats cool on the other hand if you are, your going to have some problems.

...I had my wife and two daughters in the car with me....
Absolutely amazing. And sad. And infuriating. And stupid.

I guess I shouldnt take it personal.


If I were you I would try to seek help bro. People ...especially grown men taking it personal yelling out the window with kids in the car....priceless.

As for this is a CHEVY site.... I wish I had a dime for every time some new guy popped in here and threw out that line to the members that have been here for years. You know, Im glad you pointed that out as I was about to try to run all of the GM guys outta here...lol

I currently own both GM & Ford and have owned a good number of GMs over the years so you better take into consideration that some people dont just die-hard loyally drive one brand of vehicle dude!

You need to take that car to the track and race out your frustrations instead of street racing....also the track will not allow the kids and wife to go down the strip with ya.

By the way ....to help out a fellow member Im gonna give you some advice.


Create yourself a signature listing the type of vehicle you own and the mods/times/specs you have to let people know.
Because as of right now I cant tell what you drive and thats important to the readers.



Thanks
Mike

I don't see how this guy was cocky at all. You were the one yelling stuff out your window. You are 30 something and come off as having the maturity of a 16 year old.

What year Camaro do you have and what are your mods?

Also a stock 94 Cobra will do much better than high 14s with a good driver. They are underrated from the factory. No match for a stock LS1 but an LT1 will not kill it. I have beaten near stock LT1s.

I'll stoop down to your level. So, since you HATE Ford I HATE YOU.

I happen to own a FORD and am not biased I love all performance cars but this is the best I can afford now and I got to make the best out of it! A well driven 6spd LT1 will kill a 94-95 Cobra stock for stock, Ive done it a few times myself (actually on hwy 35 in Neptune/Ocean Twp :) )..I believe your referring to the 93 Cobras, now there are underated from the factory, they actually put out somewhere around 275 hp...When I had a muffler ,cai, and 373's on my 97 I raced a buddy in his 94 Cobra that had more mods then me...yanked him everytime hard...Kid also had a fox that he ran up in Toms River so I would assume he had somewhat of a clue how to drive. Not trying to be a dick at all but im not sure if the LT1's you've beatin w/ your mods are in the proper running condition.

http://svtsupercars.com/cobra/1994/

No doubt a stock LT1 is faster than a stock 94-95 GT but I've seen stock 94-95 Cobras run low 14s at around the same trap speed LT1s run at. I'm also not saying that my car is faster than an LT1 but that it is fast enough that driver error comes into play.

I beat a 95 Trans Am from a roll which I was actually expecting to lose to but I just pulled him from 2nd all the way through 3rd. I raced a 97 SS and he beat me but I had him til like 80-90 and that was from a dig. I also raced a 96 Z28 and was dead even with him from a roll. He had exhaust.

On a another night do you ever go to 37? I haven't been there in like a year because the cops are just all over the place.

No doubt a stock LT1 is faster than a stock 94-95 GT but I've seen stock 94-95 Cobras run low 14s at around the same trap speed LT1s run at. I'm also not saying that my car is faster than an LT1 but that it is fast enough that driver error comes into play.

I beat a 95 Trans Am from a roll which I was actually expecting to lose to but I just pulled him from 2nd all the way through 3rd. I raced a 97 SS and he beat me but I had him til like 80-90 and that was from a dig. I also raced a 96 Z28 and was dead even with him from a roll. He had exhaust.

On a another night do you ever go to 37? I haven't been there in like a year because the cops are just all over the place.
I use to go w/ a buddy from here and sit at checkers and just chow on burgers and watch the cars blow by, and laugh at the imports @ rice castle next door :lol: ...as for the races anything can happen on the street...I currently dont own anything respectable enough to call a performance car due to a recent divorce and a layoff but that should change shortly. Yea the cops are all over,,even hear they are undercover in primered fox bodies so look out for them :)

This is going to take alot out of me....I admit that is was STUPID of me, running with the wife and kids in the car. I have NEVER done that before and will NEVER DO THAT AGAIN! I sit and think about the what if questions...I love my children and wife and will never put them in harms way, EVER! I'll post what I know about my car in my sig. I bout this car from a dealer, they do not know the history of the vehicle. The engine was rebuilt. I noticed a few things like an air foil and an aftermarket MAF. Thanks for all your imput on this topic. By the way Im not even 30 yet....NO EXCUSES THOUGH! I repect FORD or any car for that matter. I have learned alot here and will continue to do so.

I use to go w/ a buddy from here and sit at checkers and just chow on burgers and watch the cars blow by, and laugh at the imports @ rice castle next door :lol: ...as for the races anything can happen on the street...I currently dont own anything respectable enough to call a performance car due to a recent divorce and a layoff but that should change shortly. Yea the cops are all over,,even hear they are undercover in primered fox bodies so look out for them :)

Thanks for the heads up about the primered cops but I just go there and hang out mostly just to see what's going on when I did go. If I did race people it was where there were no cars if you keep going past the parkway entrance near the hospital. The ricers driving in and out of traffic at like 70 miles an hour really screwed 37 up as well as street racing period.

So I was coming from the mall this afternoon. I noticed a red Cobra tailing me the whole way back. I had my wife and two daughters in the car with me, so I was not about to hit high mph range on the freeway, so I exited. I came up to the stop light, rolled down my window and asked if his was modded. He says no, "It's stock" with a cocky face. So I said lets go. As the light turned green we both nailed it. My tires kept spinning through first and second, the funny thing is, as I was spinning I was still about a bumper ahead.

Street racing with the entire family in the car?

Did someone beat you repeatedly with a stupid-stick when you were a child??? :rolleyes:

Lets just put it this way....STEROIDS (superchargers or turbos)! Thats about the only way they can compete with the BIG DOGS!

That attitude is exactly why I love it when folks at the track ask what blower I have or how much nitrous I'm spraying... ;)

Street racing with the entire family in the car?

Did someone beat you repeatedly with a stupid-stick when you were a child??? :rolleyes:



That attitude is exactly why I love it when folks at the track ask what blower I have or how much nitrous I'm spraying... ;)

It's nice to have an ally in this thread. HAHA

FORD POWAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

:metal:

LOL first of all, the new "z06" whatever GM decides to call it will not have an ls2, it will have a 427 LS7, good for 500hp/500tq. GT 500? LOL an LS2 could probably give it a good run for the money, much less the LS7, which is more of a run for a Ford GT (GT 40 remake). Furthermore, it's not likely that GT 500's will be commonplace, probably more like the Cobra R--- only a few units will be produced, (rumored 5000/year)which means markup. They'll probably go for near LS7 prices. Things with the word "Shelby" on them aren't usually bargain priced.

Cool concept though, wouldn't mind running into a few modded GT 500's in the future. SC 5.4L could mean competition. Wonder if ford's still bitter about the $30 million lawsuit Shelby filed back in the day...

I know Should have not done that. But for you to add a comment at the end, I take that with offense. I sure wish you said that to my face, that way I can PISTOL WHUP your dumb ass over and over again as a grown up!

Punk Ass!

I know Should have not done that. But for you to add a comment at the end, I take that with offense. I sure wish you said that to my face, that way I can PISTOL WHUP your dumb ass over and over again as a grown up!

Punk Ass!
:no: see we have a few to weed out in this section

I know Should have not done that. But for you to add a comment at the end, I take that with offense. I sure wish you said that to my face, that way I can PISTOL WHUP your dumb ass over and over again as a grown up!

Punk Ass!

Internet threats of physical violence combined with street racing with the family.

You have my pity.

LOL first of all, the new "z06" whatever GM decides to call it will not have an ls2, it will have a 427 LS7, good for 500hp/500tq. GT 500? LOL an LS2 could probably give it a good run for the money, much less the LS7, which is more of a run for a Ford GT (GT 40 remake). Furthermore, it's not likely that GT 500's will be commonplace, probably more like the Cobra R--- only a few units will be produced, (rumored 5000/year)which means markup. They'll probably go for near LS7 prices. Things with the word "Shelby" on them aren't usually bargain priced.

Cool concept though, wouldn't mind running into a few modded GT 500's in the future. SC 5.4L could mean competition. Wonder if ford's still bitter about the $30 million lawsuit Shelby filed back in the day...
FYI....there were never any more than 500 Cobra Rs made in any year of production (93, 95, 00). Ford has stated that they are looking at ~7500 GT 500s, which is far, far more than any R model, and very close to the average number of SVT Cobra's produced in most years. Certainly there will be markups (especially initially), but after all the hype wears off (much like the 03 Cobra), prices will come back down to MSRP.

As for running modded GT500s....I'm sure you'll have your chance. There are quite a few modded 03/04s running in the 10s now. GT500s should get there easier, seeing as they come from the factory with more power, about the same weight, and a better suspension.

What does your car run?

I know Should have not done that. But for you to add a comment at the end, I take that with offense. I sure wish you said that to my face, that way I can PISTOL WHUP your dumb ass over and over again as a grown up!

Punk Ass!
http://ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12549

Why can't all us domestic owners get along and just hate on the ricers?

Where is the love?

:shrug:

FYI....there were never any more than 500 Cobra Rs made in any year of production (93, 95, 00). Ford has stated that they are looking at ~7500 GT 500s, which is far, far more than any R model, and very close to the average number of SVT Cobra's produced in most years. Certainly there will be markups (especially initially), but after all the hype wears off (much like the 03 Cobra), prices will come back down to MSRP.

As for running modded GT500s....I'm sure you'll have your chance. There are quite a few modded 03/04s running in the 10s now. GT500s should get there easier, seeing as they come from the factory with more power, about the same weight, and a better suspension.

What does your car run?

LOL I wasn't saying that there were 5000/year cobra R's built, I was saying production of the "GT 500" will be around 5000/year, at least that's the number I heard last.

LOL first of all, the new "z06" whatever GM decides to call it will not have an ls2, it will have a 427 LS7, good for 500hp/500tq. GT 500? LOL an LS2 could probably give it a good run for the money,

Really? How do you figure that since the LS2 in the GTO can't even run faster than 12.9 or so in the 1/4-mile. :confused:

The 450 - 500 hp GT 500 Shelby/Mustang is likely going to walk all over any 400 hp LS2-powered car that doesn't weigh 2500 lbs or less.... :D

I think that the whole "buy a chevy", I hate imports and fords is a friendly competition kinda thing. Just like you'll see guys talking trash during football games on seperate teams then after the game they are good buds. I have a buddy with a Corba and I give him hell, but at the end of the day we're all friends. Most of the time when I hate a car its because of the owner's attitude. Example, raced a Mach 1, lost but the guy was great to talk to, didnt race an LS1 and he was the biggest a-hole to me and my friend. So I dont hate his ride, just him :D

-Dustin-

Exactly, hate the people, not the car. :D If it was about the car, then I'd hate GM just as much as the rest of them. After all, all those Grand Ams and Grand Prixs looking over at me and then rolling halfway into the intersection before the light turns green is really annoying. And I won't even talk about trucks/suvs... :death:

And yeah, I'd take a Vette over a Cobra any day. But that doesn't mean that if the keys to an 03 Cobra fell from the sky right into my hands that I wouldn't drive the Cobra. :p

Gotta give them some time. The 05 just came out. The 04 has gone as quick as 13.1, so I don't see a problem with the 05's dipping into the mid 12's with an extra 50 hp and a great driver.

Jason
Really? How do you figure that since the LS2 in the GTO can't even run faster than 12.9 or so in the 1/4-mile. :confused:

The 450 - 500 hp GT 500 Shelby/Mustang is likely going to walk all over any 400 hp LS2-powered car that doesn't weigh 2500 lbs or less.... :D

Yea I was just reading that article 450 hp :bow: ...why would the new camaro (wasnt even aware a new one was comming out til atleast 07 :confused: ) come out w/ a LS6 (have no clue where you got your info. from), if anything it would be the LS2...LS6 is considered old technology now.
LS6 isnt considered old tech..A LS2 is nothing more then a bored over LS1. LS6 is an LS1 w/a slight head job. The Desighn is Prety much identical. Its the same motor with different cubes and maybe differnt cam/head spec's. "IE" Intake/exhaust
But I agree it wouldnt be the LS6.

Corvette is going to be almost as fast with a lot less price, HELLO!
Is'nt that what the '03 cobra owners were saying about the '03-'04 Z06's and you guys jumped all over them for that excuse?

In the new Hot rod they said the shelby mustang will by only $40k and I see '05 Vettes listed in the paper for just over $50k. Hot rod also states that they heard rumors of it being the first 500 hp production car for under 40K so its possible by the time the come out they be up from 450hp (current rating) to 500hp. It could be as fast as the new Z06 for half the price!!


As for mustang drivers being cocky. I seen just as manycocky chevy guys in my time. the vast majority of them shut there mouths after I show them a 9 second timeslip though. Or the best is when they say " I know someonne who can beat you." then i come back with "but your the one talking the s*** and most likely you can't beat me."

A LS2 is nothing more then a bored over LS1 I think its a bit more to it then that....
All-new aluminum block casting incorporates provisions for external knock sensors and revised oil galleries; external sensors improve serviceability
Cylinder bore diameter increased to 101.6 mm (4.00 inches), increasing displacement to 6.0 liters
Camshaft lift increased to take advantage of increased cylinder head flow
Camshaft sensor relocated from the rear of the block to the front of the block provides room for new oil galleries
Flat-top piston design with lower ring tension reduces friction
Piston floating wrist pins help quiet the engine
Redesigned, “wingless” oil pan with cast baffling has reduced mass and provides superior oil control under high-performance driving maneuvers
Revised exhaust manifolds are 33 percent lighter
More efficient ignition coils require less energy to provide a comparable spark
Compression raised to 10.9:1
Larger, 90-mm single-blade throttle body
Reduced-mass water pump design with improved sealing capability
Engine “redline” raised to 6500 rpm
Revised and more powerful engine controller incorporates all electronic throttle control functions.
Mass has been reduced by 7 kilograms on the automatic version.
Cylinder heads for the LS2 are derived from designs used in previous Corvette Z06 models, including raised intake ports and an unshrouded-valve combustion chamber design that, when combined with the engine’s flat-top pistons, produces a more efficient swirl of the air/fuel mixture. This efficiency enables a higher 10.9:1 compression ratio, which increases fuel economy and horsepower.
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item23#faq_new_faq_item25
LS6 is considered "old" (old tech. which I would tak in a second) technology whether ya like it ot not

I think its a bit more to it then that....
All-new aluminum block casting incorporates provisions for external knock sensors and revised oil galleries; external sensors improve serviceability
Cylinder bore diameter increased to 101.6 mm (4.00 inches), increasing displacement to 6.0 liters
Camshaft lift increased to take advantage of increased cylinder head flow
Camshaft sensor relocated from the rear of the block to the front of the block provides room for new oil galleries
Flat-top piston design with lower ring tension reduces friction
Piston floating wrist pins help quiet the engine
Redesigned, “wingless” oil pan with cast baffling has reduced mass and provides superior oil control under high-performance driving maneuvers
Revised exhaust manifolds are 33 percent lighter
More efficient ignition coils require less energy to provide a comparable spark
Compression raised to 10.9:1
Larger, 90-mm single-blade throttle body
Reduced-mass water pump design with improved sealing capability
Engine “redline” raised to 6500 rpm
Revised and more powerful engine controller incorporates all electronic throttle control functions.
Mass has been reduced by 7 kilograms on the automatic version.
Cylinder heads for the LS2 are derived from designs used in previous Corvette Z06 models, including raised intake ports and an unshrouded-valve combustion chamber design that, when combined with the engine’s flat-top pistons, produces a more efficient swirl of the air/fuel mixture. This efficiency enables a higher 10.9:1 compression ratio, which increases fuel economy and horsepower.
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item23#faq_new_faq_item25
LS6 is considered "old" (old tech. which I would tak in a second) technology whether ya like it ot not
Its stiill the same core techno. Just built on.
nothing you listed here is a shock to me. Im aware that some things have changed. But Like I said, The same core technolegy. My previous statement was a figure of speech more then anything.

Is'nt that what the '03 cobra owners were saying about the '03-'04 Z06's and you guys jumped all over them for that excuse?

In the new Hot rod they said the shelby mustang will by only $40k and I see '05 Vettes listed in the paper for just over $50k. Hot rod also states that they heard rumors of it being the first 500 hp production car for under 40K so its possible by the time the come out they be up from 450hp (current rating) to 500hp. It could be as fast as the new Z06 for half the price!!


As for mustang drivers being cocky. I seen just as manycocky chevy guys in my time. the vast majority of them shut there mouths after I show them a 9 second timeslip though. Or the best is when they say " I know someonne who can beat you." then i come back with "but your the one talking the s*** and most likely you can't beat me."
Excuse?....A Corvette is more then a straight line performer. Its outstanding in every aspect of performance. From the slalom to MPG its a worl class car.
I dont know who was making excuses for the Cobra-VS-Zo6 ..Im sure there where some people doing it,but there is really no comparison between the 2. Yeah, The cobra is nice. But a Vette it will never be.
If you pay half the price your going to get half the performance. Great, It goes well in a straight line but lets see it pull a 1.01 on the skidpad and get 28+ MPG while doing it. It wont happen. Why?..its a Mustang. Top notch for its market but out of its league in the presence of a Z06.

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Excuse?....A Corvette is more then a straight line performer. Its outstanding in every aspect of performance. From the slalom to MPG its a worl class car.
I dont know who was making excuses for the Cobra-VS-Zo6 ..Im sure there where some people doing it,but there is really no comparison between the 2. Yeah, The cobra is nice. But a Vette it will never be.
If you pay half the price your going to get half the performance. Great, It goes well in a straight line but lets see it pull a 1.01 on the skidpad and get 28+ MPG while doing it. It wont happen. Why?..its a Mustang. Top notch for its market but out of its league in the presence of a Z06.

When the '03 cobras came out thats many cobra owners said the exact same thing. "its almost as fast as a Z06 but alot cheaper."
chevy guys were like it does'nt matter the Z06 is still faster and price means nothing.
At the street races handling and braking mean squat because 99% of street races are straightline acceleration contests were handling and braking dont matter whatsoever. So if a Z06 loses to a shelby in a drag race what is he gonna say? "Well, my car handles better" :rolleyes:
I dont know what kind of G force it can do around corners but its suposed to come with esentially the same suspension as on the Grand am Cup winning FR500C competion coupe mustang and to come with 14" cross drilled roters with brembo calipers up front and 13" rotors out back so it should stop with the best of them. an
And since the shelby is around $40k cheaper (GM hightech said the Z06 would be around $80k) they could upgrade from there and still saves $20-$30k over a Z06.

It goes well in a straight line but lets see it pull a 1.01 on the skidpad and get 28+ MPG while doing it. It wont happen. Why?..its a Mustang.

The mileage advantage everyone keeps quoting is more due to the deep 6th-gear overdrive than it is some amazing technological breakthrough engineered into GM engines. :rolleyes:

The mileage advantage everyone keeps quoting is more due to the deep 6th-gear overdrive than it is some amazing technological breakthrough engineered into GM engines. :rolleyes:

BS...a six speed mustang dont get as good gas milage as a 400HP C-5 or C-6 with way less cubes and a pretty steep sisth gear ratio.. Not to the car, dispite its gearing,still hauls ass at the track.
Has to do something with desighn effeiceincy becasue my cammed LS1 still see's 300 Miles per tank.
Reguardless, It still does it for whatever reason.
And my stock 5.7 LS1 was seeing 30 on the highway.

When the '03 cobras came out thats many cobra owners said the exact same thing. "its almost as fast as a Z06 but alot cheaper."
chevy guys were like it does'nt matter the Z06 is still faster and price means nothing.
At the street races handling and braking mean squat because 99% of street races are straightline acceleration contests were handling and braking dont matter whatsoever. So if a Z06 loses to a shelby in a drag race what is he gonna say? "Well, my car handles better" :rolleyes:
I dont know what kind of G force it can do around corners but its suposed to come with esentially the same suspension as on the Grand am Cup winning FR500C competion coupe mustang and to come with 14" cross drilled roters with brembo calipers up front and 13" rotors out back so it should stop with the best of them. an
And since the shelby is around $40k cheaper (GM hightech said the Z06 would be around $80k) they could upgrade from there and still saves $20-$30k over a Z06.
Your missing the point. My car can run 11's...Its no Z06. My buddies 83 Z28 runs 10's..its still no Z06.
Like I said, It will always be a Mustang.
I will disagree with whoever says price means nothing. I never own either becasue I prefer my car over a Mustang and wont be able to afford a Z06 no time soon. I 450HP mustang is a nice conept and would be a Awsome car.
But for the millionth time, It's not a world calss sports car.

Your missing the point. My car can run 11's...Its no Z06. My buddies 83 Z28 runs 10's..its still no Z06.
Like I said, It will always be a Mustang.
I will disagree with whoever says price means nothing. I never own either becasue I prefer my car over a Mustang and wont be able to afford a Z06 no time soon. I 450HP mustang is a nice conept and would be a Awsome car.
But for the millionth time, It's not a world calss sports car.

I just think your biased against fords no matter what they build. If the shelby performs as well as a 'vette its just as much as a "world class sports car" .Claiming a car is a world class sports car is'nt going to win it any races. Its the cold hard numbers that mean everything, nothing else. Its ALL about the performance. What makes the 'vette better if they happen to have the same acceleration times and if they happen handle about the same too? I feel the shelby is much better looking.
Its a matter of opinion, you would rather have a 'vette but i would rather have a mustang. thats what makes the world go 'round.
I'd also rather have your 11 second camaro and your buddies Z than a 'vette too.I always thoght that 'vettes were very nice cars but I feel they are overpriced for the performance you get for all your money. I know they were for the last 25 years they were the fastest cars made year in and year out (except in '87 with GNX,'89 Turbo T/a,'newer Vipers).But they were not that much faster than F bodies and mustangs in alot of years.Whats the difference in C5 vettes and A LS1 F- body in the quater? Probally 3 tenths? I'd much rather have a LS1 F body. And ya get a back seat.
By the way I'm not biased. Along with my Saleen I have a 2000 T/A. And when thats paid off I'm buying a '04 dodge neon SRT4 for my winter beater

<So if a Z06 loses to a shelby in a drag race what is he gonna say? "Well, my car handles better>

That won't happen though, not stock at least. The new Z06 is supposed to be a low 11 sec. car at 130 mph or so and is rumored to dyno over 500 rwhp. The 450 hp Shelby won't touch those numbers.

Jason


When the '03 cobras came out thats many cobra owners said the exact same thing. "its almost as fast as a Z06 but alot cheaper."
chevy guys were like it does'nt matter the Z06 is still faster and price means nothing.
At the street races handling and braking mean squat because 99% of street races are straightline acceleration contests were handling and braking dont matter whatsoever. So if a Z06 loses to a shelby in a drag race what is he gonna say? "Well, my car handles better" :rolleyes:
I dont know what kind of G force it can do around corners but its suposed to come with esentially the same suspension as on the Grand am Cup winning FR500C competion coupe mustang and to come with 14" cross drilled roters with brembo calipers up front and 13" rotors out back so it should stop with the best of them. an
And since the shelby is around $40k cheaper (GM hightech said the Z06 would be around $80k) they could upgrade from there and still saves $20-$30k over a Z06.

<So if a Z06 loses to a shelby in a drag race what is he gonna say? "Well, my car handles better>

That won't happen though, not stock at least. The new Z06 is supposed to be a low 11 sec. car at 130 mph or so and is rumored to dyno over 500 rwhp. The 450 hp Shelby won't touch those numbers.

Jason

Accually HOT ROD magizine said that it is rumored that by the time the GT500 comes out it could be at 500hp e qual to the 500 hp that GM HIGH Tech said about the LS7. The vette will probaly be lighter by some but the differnce can be made up in drivers if the GT500 ends up having 500hp.

Original poster.

Stop saying you respect ford when you bashed a Ford from the beginning of your thread. Matter of fact, you were dumb as hell for racing with your wife and kids in the car. Secondly, you were dumb for yelling stupid shat out the facking window. :rolleyes:

Accually HOT ROD magizine said that it is rumored that by the time the GT500 comes out it could be at 500hp e qual to the 500 hp that GM HIGH Tech said about the LS7. The vette will probaly be lighter by some but the differnce can be made up in drivers if the GT500 ends up having 500hp.
Even if they both had 500HP the z06 wirghs way less. Its a better engineered car ...period! Its such en easy thing to understand, where is the problem?

I just think your biased against fords no matter what they build. If the shelby performs as well as a 'vette its just as much as a "world class sports car" .Claiming a car is a world class sports car is'nt going to win it any races. Its the cold hard numbers that mean everything, nothing else. Its ALL about the performance. What makes the 'vette better if they happen to have the same acceleration times and if they happen handle about the same too? I feel the shelby is much better looking.
Its a matter of opinion, you would rather have a 'vette but i would rather have a mustang. thats what makes the world go 'round.
I'd also rather have your 11 second camaro and your buddies Z than a 'vette too.I always thoght that 'vettes were very nice cars but I feel they are overpriced for the performance you get for all your money. I know they were for the last 25 years they were the fastest cars made year in and year out (except in '87 with GNX,'89 Turbo T/a,'newer Vipers).But they were not that much faster than F bodies and mustangs in alot of years.Whats the difference in C5 vettes and A LS1 F- body in the quater? Probally 3 tenths? I'd much rather have a LS1 F body. And ya get a back seat.
By the way I'm not biased. Along with my Saleen I have a 2000 T/A. And when thats paid off I'm buying a '04 dodge neon SRT4 for my winter beater
I dont think there is anyting Id trade for my TA in all honesty. And Id LOVE to have an SRT-4
. I have said nothing to make anyone think that. Im something you obviously arent..realistic. I came from a ford Family. There are 4 SHO's,an F-150, An 05 Taurus and a Ranger 4x4 in my drive way as we speak. I owned a Fox Body GT. Im not biased, I have just driven most cars and made up my mind bye what I have driven and rode in. Biased I am not.
Cars are subjective..to each his own. But if you took the Z06" All around better engineered car" VS a Mustang " Basic poor mans sports car" Weighing in at 400 More pounds and made to be practical, Its not going to have as much performance and will not have the same type of potential.
The Corvette will always be desighned to acheive every aspect of performance not just one or a few. A practical car has to maintain a certain balance pf performance of everyday driveability and sacrafices certain things doing it.
As simple as this is to understand I feel like you are going to see right thrue it.
As far as the new 450HP mustang goes. Its gonna be a runner but the Z06 will wax it in the real world. Not to mention it would take next to nothing to get a c-6 and get 450HP.

Not to mention it would take next to nothing to get a c-6 and get 450HP.

How much do you think it would take to get that 5.4 liter s/c'ed to hit 575 - 650 rwhp???
Probably very little $$$ as well... ;)

How much do you think it would take to get that 5.4 liter s/c'ed to hit 575 - 650 rwhp???
Probably very little $$$ as well... ;)
Im sure it wouldnt take much.
The LSX engine has more potential though, IMO, Due to the fact it has more cubes.

Im sure it wouldnt take much.
The LSX engine has more potential though, IMO, Due to the fact it has more cubes.

There are modulars running in the mid 6's, how much more potential do you want? With stock internals I am guessing the all forged modular has much more potential.

There are modulars running in the mid 6's, how much more potential do you want? With stock internals I am guessing the all forged modular has much more potential.
And?...There are plenty of engines in the 6's. Still dont change my mind.

And?...There are plenty of engines in the 6's. Still dont change my mind.

There are no LS series in the 6's, in fact, the closest one is more than a second behind. Now what was that about potential again? ;)

There are no LS series in the 6's, in fact, the closest one is more than a second behind. Now what was that about potential again? ;)
Im not gonna argue with you again. This gets old. I have my opinion Scott and you have yours. I have anLS1 with cam only that is pushing 400+ flywheel HP. With only a cam and without a tune. It was easy. I swaped the cam!!Whats it take to get a modular engine pushing 400+ HP?..I rest my case.
Besides I wasnt regering to a 6 second car. I was speaking for a daily driver. LSX engines are the best of both worlds. Mass power,great MPG " for the power" and responds crazy well to mods.
Mod for Mod they are Bad Azz.

Potential is potential, you did not say at what level. Bob Cosby was running mid -low 11's N/A in a 99 Cobra with no power adder ;). It seems to me that which ever engine is faster has the most potential ;) Sorry, I am LMAO at this thread, it doesn't matter to me, I am just yanking your chain a little :D I like the LS-X engine series and may sell my Mustang to get one in the near future.

With only a cam and without a tune. It was easy. I swaped the cam!!

I love it when LS1 guys say "Cam-Only", when the car actual has:

Aftermarket Cam
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Lid
Gears
Converter
"Free" Mods
Long Tube Headers
Etc, Etc, Etc, Etc, Etc...

It must be easier to say "cam-Only" than it is to list all the aftermarket parts (BESIDES Heads) the car has... :rolleyes:

Whats it take to get a modular engine pushing 400+ HP?

It doesn't ANYTHING besides similar displacement - the 5.4 liter '00 Cobra R motor made 385 UNDER RATED hp stock.

It doesn't ANYTHING besides similar displacement - the 5.4 liter '00 Cobra R motor made 385 UNDER RATED hp stock.
It was a racing engine that cost way more then an LS1 does. Wasnt desighned for driveability/practicality.and Got 10 MPG. As far as it being underated, I dont know about that being they trap around 108-110 with no options or anything.

I love it when LS1 guys say "Cam-Only", when the car actual has:

Aftermarket Cam
&
Lid
Gears
Converter
"Free" Mods
Long Tube Headers
Etc, Etc, Etc, Etc, Etc...

It must be easier to say "cam-Only" than it is to list all the aftermarket parts (BESIDES Heads) the car has... :rolleyes:
My car dont have sqat! I never ran it with gears and of course it dont have a stall as it is a stick.
Dont generalize me either. Sounds to me like your in denial.
Why Deny the LS1 is what it is?...Why is it so hard for people to accept the fact they can make as much power as they do with the little mods it takes to get them there?
BTW, Cam car of course means AFTERMARKET CAM. As far as when I ran my car it was untuned w/no gears and was missing off the line not to mention I nursed it out of the whole.
Nothing but cam/headers/exhaust..and oh, Heaven forbid I not mention the Lid!..I mean, I hate it when us LS1 guys fail to mention the lid .

Smartass.

Nothing but cam/headers/exhaust..and oh, Heaven forbid I not mention the Lid!..I mean, I hate it when us LS1 guys fail to mention the lid .

Smartass.

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Seems like you fit the generalization quite well!

"My car is Cam-Only"
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"Oh, and it has full exhaust too"
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"Oh, and I forgot that pesky lid"
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Anything else you'd like to share? ;)

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Seems like you fit the generalization quite well!

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Anything else you'd like to share? ;)
Gererally a "cam only" car has headers Its rare tro see a cammed car without headers.I figured most are smart enough to figure that out. Next time ill be sure to add that for all the people who have a hard time understanding. When I ran it ..it didnt have a lid.

You guys are just haters! I cant help it you have an inferior engine so dont hate on me and mine becasue I have a superior drivetrain. ;)

You guys are just haters!

<------ No hate here - I think you're just a LITTLE paranoid... :p

LOL this is getting as ridiculous as the "z28 vs. SS" thread over in the ls1 tech forum.