Bad Seller DHIROCZ

He has had my money I sent for a center console insert for 2 weeks now. I have no problem with waiting a week or two if I'm told to, but I was initially told that it would be sent out right after he received money. Now I'm being told that its hard for him to remove it since he was in an accident recently (before he accepted my money) and that since I sent the money to his parents house its taking a while. There has pretty much been no communication from him depite my numerous IMs.

His info is as follows:
David Hale
6001 Defoores Rd
Tallahassee, FL 32305

He is in the Army and stationed at Ft. Bragg, NC and is in the 18th FA.
I'm hoping this will get the ball rolling, as I really hate to make this type of post, but he won't respond to my IMs anymore.

David is a good guy. I'm SURE he is not ripping you off. Granted, 2 weeks is a bit long but not tragic. He's an army guy and he might be having some problems related to that. Give him a little more time, I'm sure he'll come through.

David is a good guy. I'm SURE he is not ripping you off. Granted, 2 weeks is a bit long but not tragic. He's an army guy and he might be having some problems related to that. Give him a little more time, I'm sure he'll come through.

I hope so, I just would appreciate some sort of communication. Last I heard he was calling his parents to see if the money got there (which it did 10-12 days ago)

David is a good guy. I'm SURE he is not ripping you off. Granted, 2 weeks is a bit long but not tragic. He's an army guy and he might be having some problems related to that. Give him a little more time, I'm sure he'll come through.
Madwolf, if he is a good guy contact him and get him to uphold his part of the deal. Military or not he needs to be responsible to the buyer and to this forum. If he can't send the console in a prompt manner he needs to communicate that and/or send the money back to the buyer. I have been in and out of the military and it is not much different than a civilian job unless you are deployed. Take the time and make this deal good.

I have been in and out of the military and it is not much different than a civilian job unless you are deployed. Take the time and make this deal good.

Must not have been an infantryman :D , not that im saying dude is, but still.

...if you really wanna be a dick..you can go to/call his command...talk to his CO(commanding officer) and...you will get your money back..if you wanna go through all the trouble.

Why does everyone think that calling a CO is the way to go? I wouldnt go running to your boss if you didnt send something? Its people like you who are ****ing idiots. And yes, being in the military is a LOT different then the civilian life... tomatocity... you must have been an admin guy.

...if you really wanna be a dick..you can go to/call his command...talk to his CO(commanding officer) and...you will get your money back..if you wanna go through all the trouble.

I'm not going that far, not yet anyway. It's only $15...so I'm not terribly worried about the money, I just need the part for a project I'm working on, and this is holding me up.

Again, still no communication from him. I've IMed him the link here and haven't gotten a response yet.

Dont you think a CO has more to worry about then that ****? My CO would hang up the phone. He is in charge of over 200 people, and 11 $52 million dollar jets... as soon as you say something about $15, hes going to hang up on you.

..actually no..its not the point of 15$ or 500$ its the point of "money problems" the military hates that...my CO..in charge is 12 $45million jets would have a problem with one of his people being a scumbag. I know a kid in my squadron go to mast over 100$ that he wouldnt pay someone and they took it out of his pay. now 15$ isnt much..(and i didnt know it was only 15$ at the time) so who knows.

I didnt say it wasnt... but seriously... if you want to waste the time of someone who has more to worry about than that, then whatever... people bitch about taxes being so high, then think about that stupid ****. I watched a guy go to mast and is currently sitting in the brig cause of **** like this... was it really worth the thousands of hours that went into putting him into the bring over a couple hundered bucks? Think about the taxes you pay and what its being WASTED on if you make that call.

ok guys, end of the bitching. This post isn't about anything except me getting my part. Thanks

awwww... your so cute when your mad!!!

OK, this is starting to piss me off. I have been communicating with you. I sent you several IMs stating that you could call me with my phone number, and I also responded to your post here:
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=356663
And you have failed to contact me directly. I left you an option to get back with me and I'd refund you the $15 MO (which wasn't cashed) if you felt like you wanted to go that way. That goes for anyone, I have other people I have to square away too. That's why I stopped parting the car. I've been dealing with plenty of legal issues, medical, and as far as work goes, fielding new equipment and deployment. So I'm sorry, but I can't say the $15 part has been too much of a priority, especially given my lack of transportation. The ball is in your court. You just haven't decided what to do yet. Let me know so we can get something going...because no, I haven't heard anything back yet.

I know there's alot of scammers on this board, but I'm not one of them. I had a scumbag rip me for $100 not too long ago for a STB (the big B 23 I think).

OK, this is starting to piss me off. I have been communicating with you. I sent you several IMs stating that you could call me with my phone number, and I also responded to your post here:
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=356663
And you have failed to contact me directly. I left you an option to get back with me and I'd refund you the $15 MO (which wasn't cashed) if you felt like you wanted to go that way. That goes for anyone, I have other people I have to square away too. That's why I stopped parting the car. I've been dealing with plenty of legal issues, medical, and as far as work goes, fielding new equipment and deployment. So I'm sorry, but I can't say the $15 part has been too much of a priority, especially given my lack of transportation. The ball is in your court. You just haven't decided what to do yet. Let me know so we can get something going...because no, I haven't heard anything back yet.

I know there's alot of scammers on this board, but I'm not one of them. I had a scumbag rip me for $100 not too long ago for a STB (the big B 23 I think).

The only IM I got from you with your number was last night. I will give you a call when I get back to my office if you would like. I just want the part shipped out by the end of this week/beginning of next, or my money back. I don't have a problem waiting for something if I'm told to wait, but being told something will be sent right out and then not hearing anything for 2-3 weeks is just not acceptable in my book. I understand things happen, I parted my Z28 out after being rear ended at 45-50mph with a broken bone in my neck, but I let people know it would take a week or two for them to get their things.

At any rate, I really want this insert more then my money back, just tell me when you can ship it out ASAP and I'm fine with that.

I think a person that is employed with dollars extracted from public pockets would want to know if their co-worker is flat-out stealing from the public as well. Post office, military, whatever.

Why does everyone think that calling a CO is the way to go? I wouldnt go running to your boss if you didnt send something? Its people like you who are ****ing idiots. And yes, being in the military is a LOT different then the civilian life... tomatocity... you must have been an admin guy.

STILL NOTHING!
I was willing to say I was sorry for jumping the gun, but I'm not anymore.
Send me my part or my money back TOMMOROW or I will be calling your CO.

*edit*
I guess he's ok enough to wrench on his car looking for an oil leak but not alright enough to throw something in a box someone paid for a month ago.

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359380

Go ahead and call my CO. It's not military related so he will laugh at you.

I log into the computer to find out what you want to do and I have to deal with your 'prioritizing'. You are completely unaware of my situation and are being a PITA. I offered to send back the MO, but you seem to have forgotten that I told you that the insert is not here with me in NC anyway. You'll be getting back a MO for $15.

Go ahead and call my CO. It's not military related so he will laugh at you.

I log into the computer to find out what you want to do and I have to deal with your 'prioritizing'. You are completely unaware of my situation and are being a PITA. I offered to send back the MO, but you seem to have forgotten that I told you that the insert is not here with me in NC anyway. You'll be getting back a MO for $15.

Let me get this straight, I'm being a PITA? I paid you for something a month ago, and still have yet to receive it or any explanation as to when I should be getting it.

You offered to send it back and I told you if you could get it out that week to send the part out if not to refund my money, and I heard nothing from you. It's not my fault the part isn't with you, you agreed to sell it and ship it in a timely fashion, and you can't hold up to your end of the deal.

Again, refund my money TODAY or I will be getting in touch with whoever will listen over at Ft. Bragg as well as the FBIs Internet Fraud Department and local law enforcement officials. It may only be $15, but you've clearly not made an effort to end this until I threatened to contact your CO.

Cliff Notes: REFUND MY MONEY TODAY

I dont understand why people who can't even come through with the parts offer to sell them.... Grade A loser in my book, i dont care if he is in the military..

**** you too pal...you dont understand because you aren't in the situation I'm in. If you were, you'd be signing a different tune. With all the stuff going on in my life, I'm sorry but I have to prioritize. Hell, I never even cashed the damn thing, other people who have sent me alot more for other parts have to come first. Who made you high and mighty?

**** you too pal...you dont understand because you aren't in the situation I'm in. If you were, you'd be signing a different tune. With all the stuff going on in my life, I'm sorry but I have to prioritize.
Whatever was/is going on in your life was there when you agreed to sell it to me, so I fail to see how that has anything to do with it, you should have said you couldn't get it shipped for a month and saved us all time and energy.

Hell, I never even cashed the damn thing, other people who have sent me alot more for other parts have to come first. Who made you high and mighty?

Quite frankly I don't give a crap about everybody else who you have promised parts to but haven't shipped them to. If I were them I would be pretty damn pissed, but maybe you've actually kept in contact with them, I don't know.

I'm not high and mighty, but I'm somebody who sent you money for something, and never received anything in return.

As I said earlier today, REFUND MY MONEY TODAY or I will file complaints with anybody and everybody I can.

Dont you think a CO has more to worry about then that ****? My CO would hang up the phone. He is in charge of over 200 people, and 11 $52 million dollar jets... as soon as you say something about $15, hes going to hang up on you.

11- 52 million jets? Damn, thats were all my tax money goes....

FBI's internet fraud will just put you on a list, if they do anything, have you ever tried to file one of those things? Then you will be case #192309594, and they are only on number #543045, waiting time: 2yrs 8days 3hours.

Calling his CO will 1. Make you look like a dick (even if you aren't), 2. Make you look like a pussy. Who is his CO going to believe, you or him? Some internet kid wanting $15, or him, who is in the armed forces, willing to put his life in danger for the country? As soon as his CO has to THINK about this situation, he'll prolly just hang up.

Even if you are right, even if you deserve $15 (which you do in my opinion), no lawyer will sue for $15. You'll have to take him to small claims court, that can take a YEAR or more to get set up, and prolly even harder to subpoena him since he could very well be overseas by that time, or who knows where.

You make $30-45k/year right, which is pretty good for someone 21 that doesn't have a college degree and still going to a junior college, or are you not really making $30-45k/year, oh well, that doesn't matter. You supposedly make $15 in 20 minutes. I'm sure youre not hurting for $$ that bad, plus he hasn't cashed your check, so your money isn't even gone.

I'm not taking up for him here, he should've sent the part off, but holy ****, it's $15!!! Do you realize that by wasting 20 minutes on this post, you couldve already made your money back?

You make $30-45k/year right, which is pretty good for someone 21 that doesn't have a college degree and still going to a junior college, or are you not really making $30-45k/year, oh well, that doesn't matter. You supposedly make $15 in 20 minutes. I'm sure youre not hurting for $$ that bad, plus he hasn't cashed your check, so your money isn't even gone.

I'm not taking up for him here, he should've sent the part off, but holy ****, it's $15!!! Do you realize that by wasting 20 minutes on this post, you couldve already made your money back?

I think you may have me confused with someone else. I'm not 21, I do have a college degree, and I'm not going to or have ever went to a Junior College.

And I was also taught something a long time ago, "Never count anybody elses money"

The fact that he hasn't cashed the MONEY ORDER (not check) means nothing to me. The fact is he has my money and I don't so yes it is gone.

And as I've said previously, it has nothing to do with the money and everything to do with a man keeping his word. When I promise somebody something, it gets done, if it doesn't I let them know, end of story.

Calling his CO will 1. Make you look like a dick (even if you aren't), 2. Make you look like a pussy. Who is his CO going to believe, you or him? Some internet kid wanting $15, or him, who is in the armed forces, willing to put his life in danger for the country? As soon as his CO has to THINK about this situation, he'll prolly just hang up.

1) I don't care how it makes me look, I will never meet these people, I just want my money or my part
2) Again, why do I care if someone thinks this of me, I will never meet him. I would imagine he would believe me being as I have a record of mailing him money, the money order, and never receiving anything in return. That is called mail fraud.
3) I'm not some "internet kid". I'm going to be 25, run my own business, and am almost done my coursework to complete my Masters in Applied Information Technology.

but holy ****, it's $15!!!

hey tx_lt1, could I have 15 dollars please, just 4 the hell of it you know since its only 15 dollars you shouldnt really miss it at all

Unless the Army's standards are much lower than the Marine Corps, a call to his co WILL have consequences. I saw guys get jacked up in front of the Sgt Major for a serious reaming when their personal fiancial matters (handling there of) became an issue. It falls under the catchall "conduct unbecoming". If you bounced a check, you got NJP.

dhirocz just get the drama over with and refund asap. And calling Blue89Bird a PITA for actually wanting his money or the part only makes you look the fool.

When people pay for stuff, they want to get what they paid for, or their cash back. Shocking, but true.

$15 or $1500 is a big deal when someone's word is on the line. It is the fact that someone w/ a decently good rep promised one thing, and is doing another. If you knew you were going to be too busy to send his part, you should have either not accepted, or told him he would be waiting x-amount of time.

Now, you are just spilling excuses of how you are so busy, when you should have just locked up your lip and sent him his money back, or made a better effort to get in touch w/ him-by phone.

On top of all that, the post you made about finding your oil leak shows you have had *some* time on your hands. Seems like you worked hard, and that it took some time :confused: But you were still too busy to get the part shipped out to him, or at least a phone call? Looks like you are just pissed and full of excuses b/c he called you out on this in a public forum :rolleyes:

Had I known it would have taken this long then I would not have even bothered. I said over a week ago that I'd refund the money, and I sent another IM today asking to confirm the address so I can send it back. I'm not here to jack $15 from some guy. Some people here seem to think that way and some even prefer to have the stupidity to say that I deserve to die or something along those lines because I have more things going on than I care for. Some of you need to grow up. He's getting his money back, no doubt about it. It's in the mail as soon as I get a confirmation on the address. I see where some of you are coming from, which is why I stopped selling parts from my car until I reach a point where I can get things done alot faster. Sorry for all those involved, but believe it or not, things are getting done. But is this thread necessary, or moreso some of the replys?

I would be willing to bet that those people who keep saying how they dont understand why it's so hard were never in the military, or at least in my type of MOS when they were fielding new equipment while dealing with legal, family, and other issues. It can be hard for some civilians to understand. Eitherway, it's a done deal.

And no, I was pissed because alot of these replys were like attacks on me, none of which were necessary. Last thing I like to see.

So he told me he was mailing me out a refund on the 19th. Here it is 9 days later and still nothing. Let me know what is going on David.

These threads are getting tiresome.

READ THIS:

3) THIS SITE IS NOT A DISPUTE SERVICE
If a deal has gone bad, don't decide to make it into an argument here as it will not get you anywhere. Take it up with the authorities who can actually DO something about it. No positive result to your situation can come out of bickering over the Internet.

NO ONE is above this rule! Get your acts togehter, whatever it takes but stop arguing about it here! As you can see...it has gotten you NOWHERE.

These threads are getting tiresome.

READ THIS:


NO ONE is above this rule! Get your acts togehter, whatever it takes but stop arguing about it here! As you can see...it has gotten you NOWHERE.

I'm sorry if I upset you. I just wanted to make others aware of the situation so it can be avoided in the future. I am not arguing here, but simply stating facts. If you would like to close this, that is fine by me, but in all fairness to DHIROCZ if I eventually receive my refund from him, I would like to be able to post it here so others know that although VERY VERY VERY slow, he did eventually refund me, and leave it up to them about whether or not to deal with him in the future.

Should be there any day now. Mail that gets sent from on post takes a little while longer, probably because of a bunch of post- 9/11 stuff. It's been that way with other mail I've sent out too. It's on it's way.

Should be there any day now. Mail that gets sent from on post takes a little while longer, probably because of a bunch of post- 9/11 stuff. It's been that way with other mail I've sent out too. It's on it's way.

ok thanks for the update, I'll update this thread when it comes.