confirmation that GM can't sell cars

http://www.chevrolet.com/hhr06/

what the hell were they thinking

You mean the lack of a vehicle in the picture? :lol:

I assume you are talking about teh HHR.
Yes...GM cant sell cars because of a cute ute. I get it.

:rolleyes:

For what it is, it looks decent. It's a lot better than the other vehicles in that category.

So what is the point of this?

thats gotta be the ugliest car GM has put under the chevy nameplate in a long time.

yet another GM flop.

It has that stupid ugly quality to it, that it may just end up selling extrememly well. Don't forget that some of the uglier cars out there sometimes end up selling extremely well.

yet another GM flop.

Your right, it has already been determined. :rolleyes:

I actualy liked it a lot at the Autoshow. Only problem I see is with the HHR, Maxx and Nox, that is a lot of Wagonettes/Cute Utes's all in the same price range.

yet another GM flop.

I guarantee you'll eat those words ;) This ones even priced right .

thats gotta be the ugliest car GM has put under the chevy nameplate in a long time.

yet another GM flop.
Flop just like the PT cruiser did. I wouldn't buy the HHR or PT, but then again I (and most others on this board) are not the targeted market for these vehicles.

I like the looks of the HHR. :)

So GM saw what a hit the PT Cruiser was that Chrysler had on their hands and decides they need to get them some of that action. They release this similar in every way vehicle - and yet underpower it.........what a surprise......:rolleyes:

At least they could have put the Cobalt's SS engine in it from the start........even then it would be behind the PT - but at least it would be closer.:irk:

Like the PT - I would never buy the HHR.:blah:

What the hell is up with the names they are picking?:confused:
Can't GM designers think of a decent real name rather than just putting three consonants together and calling it a day?:think:

as consumer reports calls it a... wait let me go verbadum... "Chevrolet doesnt credit the Chrsyler PT Crusier as an insperation for this model, but it probably is. Like the PT, the HHR may enjoy hot sales initially which could quickly fade once the nostalgia wears off."

I drove my Girlfriends '03 PT Cruiser last weekend. I would never buy one for myself but for her or anyone in that segment I thought it was a very nice car. It only lacked power. I'd floor it on the highway and it wouldn’t even move. If the HHR has any get up and go it’s got at least that over the PT Cruiser. I bet the HHR does just fine. I can see it in the Chevy line up. Once again a bit late to the party, but I guess better late than never. It will steal sells from the Cruiser.

My GF also looked at '03 V6 Mustangs and I think she said Ion Redlines too.

The HHR will do okay, but I have a hard time believing it will hit the 100,000 per year sales goal, especially after the first year of production.

Yup.

Also, it's not that GM can't sell cars, it's that they don't know how to make cars, which results in them not being able to sell cars. Once they learn how to really make cars again across the board (not just like 4 cars, including all divisions) and find ways to have something exciting even on the regular cars they just might sell a car or two again and not be in the BS they are in now, which is the result of blatant idiocy and the desperate need of a complete restructure.

I for one think the HHR will sell well if it is priced right. If the it starts under $15K it will be a hit. I also think that some people need to know a little bit more about things than to judge something before they have seen it in person. I would considering this for my wifes next car should something happen to her Malibu. I would also not mind having one of these for myself. And to those who think it will fade like the PT think again the PT still sells where Chrylser projected it at, that is all that matters.

thats gotta be the ugliest car GM has put under the chevy nameplate in a long time.

yet another GM flop.

Sorry I disagree. Furthermore, the SSR is also a beautiful car (er truck, er ?). If it wasn't so darn expensive, I'd have one in my driveway right now.

If the HHR is cheap enough, I may just buy one as a second car.

And another thing. anasazi, you're getting far too predictable. It's like every time you post now, I say to myself before opening the thread, "what is this clown going to say now that I disagree with."

If you hate GM, Chevrolet and Camaro so much, you really should consider finding another hobby. :irk:

If Honda can sell the completely sqaure Element and Toyota can pass off the equally box on wheels Scion XB off as well to customers, i dont see why GM couldnt sell a good number of the HHR's. While I detest retro themed vehicles, the HHR at least has some curves and style to it and doesnt look like a cardboard box with 4 wheels.

If priced right they could sell a bunch of these.

I think it's a good looking car, and hits the styling goal much better than the SSR did. The SSR, while I'm sure would bring a big smile to my face upon driving it, still looks awkward to me.

I saw a white one on a trailer several weeks ago and thought it looked really good in person. To me, it looks like a better execution of the heritage high roof than the PT.

I would definitely consider one.

Sorry I disagree. Furthermore, the SSR is also a beautiful car (er truck, er ?). If it wasn't so darn expensive, I'd have one in my driveway right now.

If the HHR is cheap enough, I may just buy one as a second car.

And another thing. anasazi, you're getting far too predictable. It's like every time you post now, I say to myself before opening the thread, "what is this clown going to say now that I disagree with."

If you hate GM, Chevrolet and Camaro so much, you really should consider finding another hobby. :irk:


boo hoo someone disagrees with you

:D

not my fault GM makes stupid mistakes.


but if you really don't like my posts and they're too predictable, then from this point on, please, by all means, NEVER click on any post started by me again.

:cool:

just showed the website to everyone in the office

general concensus is that its an ugly copy of a PT Cruiser

it is an uglier version of the PT Cruiser. Plus, it has a wimpy engine. At least the PT has a GT model w/ 220HP.

I like the looks of the HHR. :)

right there with you. if i didnt care about rwd or high performance i would consider this. i think it has potential to be huge

The only thing I see wrong with the HHR is that it is really late to the PT Cruiser party.

Of course, no one else has stepped into that market yet, really, so maybe GM isn't all that late in a sense.

The only thing I see wrong with the HHR is that it is really late to the PT Cruiser party.


Agreed. GM is finally copying a car that has been around long enough to get boring. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a new, updated pt cruiser will come out soon.

So GM saw what a hit the PT Cruiser was that Chrysler had on their hands and decides they need to get them some of that action. They release this similar in every way vehicle - and yet underpower it.........what a surprise......:rolleyes:

At least they could have put the Cobalt's SS engine in it from the start........even then it would be behind the PT - but at least it would be closer.:irk:

Like the PT - I would never buy the HHR.:blah:

What the hell is up with the names they are picking?:confused:
Can't GM designers think of a decent real name rather than just putting three consonants together and calling it a day?:think:
I think its nice, and so do most I've showed it to, not my cup of tea though either. From what I understand this will except the Cobalt SS engine without a problem. I don't remember PT having a hot engine right off the bat. do they even have one now? They might want to see if it sells first. I would agree on the name, it works on the SSR, but HHR just sounds weird.

Agreed. GM is finally copying a car that has been around long enough to get boring. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a new, updated pt cruiser will come out soon.
I liked the PT when it came out, but I could not help thinkin' it looks like they copied the Gravedigger ( old chevy ) body. So to me its only fair Chevy gets in on it. As someone else mentioned those square box thingy's from honda, toyota, now that is the ugliest thing I have seen, and ppl buy em'! :confused: At least maybe instead of ppl buying those damn ugly ass minivans they can buy something that has some style. Like it or not you have to admit they look(HHR&PT) way better that a minivan, I hate them things.

boo hoo someone disagrees with you

:D

not my fault GM makes stupid mistakes.


but if you really don't like my posts and they're too predictable, then from this point on, please, by all means, NEVER click on any post started by me again.

:cool:

I'm with jg on this one...you are quite irritating. You're turning into a mini-redzed with your biased GM bashing. Only you manage to come off even more disrepectful. Give it a rest. Seriously.

Don't you have a g/f to attend to rather than making these annoying threads? End the madness, for all our sakes.

One of the things that i have noticed about this vehicle is that it appears to be one that looks pretty dang good with a little bit of customization. I bet we will see some of these on the streets that people have made look pretty sweet.

I think it's one better than the PT, but GM seems to have made the same "under-powering" mistake, if the 4 bangers are all you can get in one.
I like the Sunburst Orange one...

One of the things that i have noticed about this vehicle is that it appears to be one that looks pretty dang good with a little bit of customization. I bet we will see some of these on the streets that people have made look pretty sweet.
I think they will do pretty good. Those PT's are all over the place here, and all hooked up too. HHR looks sweet in that blue ( I'm a sucker for those nice metallic colors). :bow: Seriously though, everyone I showed it to, was like wow thats sweet! To me they are minivans with style.

Agreed. GM is finally copying a car that has been around long enough to get boring. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a new, updated pt cruiser will come out soon.

The redesigned PT hardly looks different from the current version . More of a update . The HHR looks ALOT better than the PT . And for the people who keep saying gm copied it , it may be because 2 key people who brought the PT to market are the same resonsible for the HHR . 1 being Bob Lutz and correct me if Im wrong , but isnt this the last project Brian Nesbit ( PT designer) worked on before going to GM's Euro design studio ? Look what happended when Jay Mays designed the Ford 500 . It looks , in more areas than not , almost a spitting image of the original 98 Audi A6 that he designed to save the Audi .

I'm with jg on this one...you are quite irritating. You're turning into a mini-redzed with your biased GM bashing. Only you manage to come off even more disrepectful. Give it a rest. Seriously.
too bad

just showed the website to everyone in the office

general concensus is that its an ugly copy of a PT Cruiser


While your at it, get the "general concensus" on the new cobra and z06 wheel similarities that you cant see. :rolleyes:
Shelby 10 spoke
http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-20...ine-Concept.htm

z06 10 spoke
http://www.wheelreplicas.com/images/zo6fside18bg.jpg

btw the Chrysler wasn't ground breaking with the PT Cruiser. GM made panel trucks years ago....atleast be consistent with what you are saying.

While your at it, get the "general concensus" on the new cobra and z06 wheel similarities that you cant see. :rolleyes:
Shelby 10 spoke
http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-20...ine-Concept.htm

z06 10 spoke
http://www.wheelreplicas.com/images/zo6fside18bg.jpg

btw the Chrysler wasn't ground breaking with the PT Cruiser. GM made panel trucks years ago....atleast be consistent with what you are saying.
Thank you! :bow: :bow: Shelby wheel link doesn't work for me. :cry: Maybe its the Ford filter I've installed on my computer! ;) Ha!Ha!... Fbodfather had a good post elsewhere in the forum, about this very thing. GM are the innovators, I just wish ppl would own up to it for a change, instead of just kicking them when they are down. :mad: They are the ones being copied. How does it go... You can lead a horse to the water but you can't make him drink. :rolleyes: or something like that!

Looks like a cross between the PT Cruiser and a Jeep Liberty to me (not sure why). I would rather die than own one, but I'm sure a million other idiots will buy them.

Looks like a cross between the PT Cruiser and a Jeep Liberty to me (not sure why). I would rather die than own one, but I'm sure a million other idiots will buy them.
Before anyone else posts, probably the taillights. For all the stuff the guys "Across Town" rob, from The General, its about time they start doin' some robbing too! After all, its not like they are robbing entire engines or anything. ;)

too bad

Does someone pee in your Cheerios before you come on here everyday? Just wondering :D

Does someone pee in your Cheerios before you come on here everyday? Just wondering :D
yep, thats it.

sorry you don't agree with me, but tough ****.

The problem is the majority of us don't agree with you.

I guess than means that 98% of us are wrong. :rolleyes:


Furthermore, anyone that says the HHR is a pure rip-off of the PT Cruiser, has no historical knowledge of any GM products built before 1970. The HHR looks like a downsized version of the Advanced Cab Design series of trucks and Suburbans built between 1948 and 1954. The first vehicle I fell in love with was my uncle's 1951 Chevy 3100 5-window cab pick up. The HHR looks a lot like that truck... as does the SSR. GM is using "heritage" styling to mimick one of the sexiest pickups ever to come out of Detroit. They used it on the SSR and they're using it on the HHR.

If its priced right, the HHR will be a huge seller for GM.

The problem is the majority of us don't agree with you.

I guess than means that 98% of us are wrong. :rolleyes:


Furthermore, anyone that says the HHR is a pure rip-off of the PT Cruiser, has no historical knowledge of any GM products built before 1970. The HHR looks like a downsized version of the Advanced Cab Design series of trucks and Suburbans built between 1948 and 1954. The first vehicle I fell in love with was my uncle's 1951 Chevy 3100 5-window cab pick up. The HHR looks a lot like that truck... as does the SSR. GM is using "heritage" styling to mimick one of the sexiest pickups ever to come out of Detroit. They used it on the SSR and they're using it on the HHR.

If its priced right, the HHR will be a huge seller for GM.
fine with me, never set out to have everyone agree with me :)

What do you drive anasazi?

fine with me, never set out to have everyone agree with me :)
That's not true. If it were, why you you ever start a new thread? :p

The problem is the majority of us don't agree with you.

I guess than means that 98% of us are wrong. :rolleyes:


Furthermore, anyone that says the HHR is a pure rip-off of the PT Cruiser, has no historical knowledge of any GM products built before 1970. The HHR looks like a downsized version of the Advanced Cab Design series of trucks and Suburbans built between 1948 and 1954. The first vehicle I fell in love with was my uncle's 1951 Chevy 3100 5-window cab pick up. The HHR looks a lot like that truck... as does the SSR. GM is using "heritage" styling to mimick one of the sexiest pickups ever to come out of Detroit. They used it on the SSR and they're using it on the HHR.

If its priced right, the HHR will be a huge seller for GM.
Of course that's what it looks like. But if the average person on the street sees the HHR, they will compare it to the PT.

Of course that's what it looks like. But if the average person on the street sees the HHR, they will compare it to the PT.
yep

average joe (or Mrs. Joe) is going to go out and not have a clue about the history of cars or the history of GM. all they know is that a car has 4 wheels and an engine, and that this particular car looks like a PT Cruiser.

yep

average joe (or Mrs. Joe) is going to go out and not have a clue about the history of cars or the history of GM. all they know is that a car has 4 wheels and an engine, and that this particular car looks like a PT Cruiser.

That may be true, but how does that equal the title of this thread: "confirmation that GM can't sell cars"...

It doesn't make any sense... :confused:

That may be true, but how does that equal the title of this thread: "confirmation that GM can't sell cars"...

It doesn't make any sense... :confused:
well it has gone slightly off topic, however...

its ugly.

although i guess GM has been able to sell ugly cars in the past ... aztek being a prime example... :D


i know what the next 10 posts will be ... "its not ugly its GM's history" blah blah blah blah

is there a smile and nod smiley?

well it has gone slightly off topic, however...

its ugly.

although i guess GM has been able to sell ugly cars in the past ... aztek being a prime example... :D


i know what the next 10 posts will be ... "its not ugly its GM's history" blah blah blah blah

is there a smile and nod smiley?

I guess we'll have to wait and see how it sells.

While it's not my cup of tea, I think it is priced right, and will do pretty well...

agreed

in the end it doesn't matter what anyone here thinks of it, it matters what the general public thinks of it.


which reminds me, how many aztek's did they manage to swindle people into buying per year?

yep, thats it.

sorry you don't agree with me, but tough ****.

It isn't that I don't agree with you. I just think that with your rude, obnoxious behavior and lack of respect for other people's opinions, you're a horses ass. Thats all :)

Anyhoot, if Scion can sell the xB and Honda can sell the Element, Chevy can sell the HHR. I don't think the HRR looks nearly as bad as either one of those, and yet I bet you won't start a thread on a Scion or Honda board saying "Scion or Toyota can't sell cars."

Now would you?

It isn't that I don't agree with you. I just think that with your rude, obnoxious behavior and lack of respect for other people's opinions, you're a horses ass. Thats all :)

Anyhoot, if Scion can sell the xB and Honda can sell the Element, Chevy can sell the HHR. I don't think the HRR looks nearly as bad as either one of those, and yet I bet you won't start a thread on a Scion or Honda board saying "Scion or Toyota can't sell cars."

Now would you?
And now, scion will be makin a few more versions of that rediculous looking thing. If they can seel those, the HHR should do just Fine!