These headers a direct bolt-in?

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=1317&prmenbr=361

p/n- 500-68460

Will they just bolt in w/out any hassle?

Did you read this?

500-68460
Camaro, Firebird 1982-92,
265-400ci.,
1-5/8'' Tubes 3'' Collector
Fits Chevy engine
Will fit with angle plug heads
Dual exhaust only, limited ground clearance
Must modify rotary A/C bracket
Designed to fit and clear with 700R4 or TH-350 transmissions.

Indeed, I did read that. But the *other* pair of headers, right below it (they are mid-length I believe..) says it only works with aluminum heads (I think that is how it is meant to be interpreted..).

Will they just bolt in w/out any hassle?

yeah right...its gonna be a hassle. It took 8 hours for me to get mine in yesterday. They arent the same brand, but they are shorties. The pass side went in OK, but the drive side...ahh...we had to take the motor mount out and jack the motor up, then we had to pry on the motor mount with a pry bar and then beat the header into place. We also had to loosen up the oil cooler to try to move it out of the way, but i think thats just an L98 option. We also did this on a lift, if your thinking about trying to do it on jackstands, forget it.

Actually, the engine is already out. Before I put it in I am putting the headers on. *That* part will be easy. What I mean is will p/n- 500-68460 fit in w/out me having to REALLY rip apart my engine bay, change my exhaust around COMPLETELY, etc.
And is p/n- 500-68460 long tubes or no?

oh ok, I didnt know the motor was out. Well the way I read it they are long tubes, because the others actually say they are shorties. I think your gonna have to change your exhaust up alot. Unless you plan on running a dual exhaust your gonna have to get someone to custom fab a Y-pipe for it, and then ground clearance is gonna suck. BUT thats just my opinion, ive been wrong before and i could be wrong this time too. Be a little creative with it and see what happens.

Well if you have owned a 3rd gen car for any lenght of time, you should know there is no such thing as a" bolt" in "or direct fit". Always more work then expected. :cry:

You'll be better off placeing the headers in the engine bay and then drop the engine in,seems to be the best way to do it. As 87DJP2001 said there is never a direct bolt-in,but if you expect afew problems they should be easy to soulve.

well in case you want more proof that they are not bolt in, i have those headers and i bought the y-pipe made to fit those headers, heres a picture comparing the stock y-pipe to the hedman y-pipe:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/726000-726999/726165_48_full.jpg

i see some slight differences....I guess I was wrong, i didnt think they would make a y-pipe for long tubes....

well, I believe to the best of my understanding anyhow, that the shorties will NOT fit unless you have aluminum heads :confused: The website says: "Will fit with angle plug heads (Chevy aluminum only)"
iroct- i will put the headers in the bay, then drop the engine in. THanx for the advice ;)

You will need a custom y-pipe for those LT's, and don't plan on lowering the car.

Phantom - do you have any pics of your headers off the car? I bought a set of LT's and I'm not sure what kind they are. I may be looking to sell them, but I want to know what they are for sure first.

- Justin

^So which model from the website I provided are shorty.. the one right under the one w/ the model number I gave you guys? Does it say I need aluminum heads for the headers to fit, or what? I dont comprehend it too well, lol..
The car sits fairly high stock, you sure that they (the LT's) will hang low enough to the point where I cant lower it?
Will shorties make basically the same power as LT's on my 305?
(Does hedman even have mid-length headers on that site I gave?)

The shorties are the ones that actually say they are.

^So why does the shorties say that they require aluminum heads?

No header install can be done without more than 6 hours of work or more, no easy bolt-ins

^So why does the shorties say that they require aluminum heads?


Correct me if I am wrong anyone but ..... If I am not mistaken ..the "L98 anlge " is different than "angled plug" heads . I have heard it refered to as the "L98 angle" ...hope it helps

I hope I'm not the only one confussed.
In "85 305's" original post the part # 500-68460 headers are long tube with the collectors pointing straight back parallel to the ground and the center line of the car. Any "Y" pipe for these would have to be under or aft of the trans. That's why it says "for true duals only".
The "Y" pipe that "Phantomfe3" posted is clearly for shorties or mid-length headers like the part #500-68470 headers. The fitment note about "chevy aluminum only", refers to chevy "type heads", ie. no twisted wedge, Brodex, etc.
I have had both shorties and LT's on my 383 in my 84, with Dart aluminum heads (Chevy style), and have had no problems with either.
It seems there is always a problem. With the shorties I had to fabricate my own "Y" pipe because I had installed subframe connector that were not compatable.

How can bolting up like 6 freaking bolts NOT be done in under 6 hours? lol.. it seems easy; set the headers in the engine bay, lower engine, bolt up, be done with it :confused:
NastyCamaro: Nope, I'm still confused, lol.
Z28SORR: You and Phantomfe3 claim that there are some y-pipes sold my jegs that will fit that model number shortie headers? I called jegs and they said it wont fit ANY headers other than some other damned model number he gave me, that costs 300 bucks! But you guys sure that the y-pipe will fit? Can I please have a p/n?
Thanx for clearing that up about the "Chevy Aluminum heads" though :D

Sorry, I said the "Y" pipe was for headers LIKE those not that specific, part number, header.

^Actually, I was looking in jegs' magazine, and found this part number: 500-17470
Says it fits 500-68470. So.. I guess that the jegs rep was full of **** :confused: