New Cobra Mustang to cost the same as the '04 Model

The new 450HP Shelby Cobra Mustang is supposed to be "within the price of the prior generation SVT Cobra". This came direct from Ford. :usa:

when are we going to get a :GMowned: emoticon?

when are we going to get a :GMowned: emoticon?

STOP asking about that :mad: :p

STOP asking about that :mad: :p
every day that goes by leads to a higher and higher necessity to have a :GMowned: emoticon :)

every day that goes by leads to a higher and higher necessity to have a :GMowned: emoticon :)

Yup. GM is definately getting owned.

I don't see a Camaro competing with this new Cobra unless they throw in an LS7, but that ain't gonna happen.

That is really good news.:cool:

:thumb:

The new 450HP Shelby Cobra Mustang is supposed to be "within the price of the prior generation SVT Cobra". This came direct from Ford. :usa:

This is what I was saying yesterday. Two different Ford reps said this car would only be about 5% more than the '04 Cobra. It's going to be near impossible to get one the first year with everyone fighting over them. Unfortunately we Ford "fanboys" are now going to have to compete with the Chevy guys to buy one, lol.

This is what I was saying yesterday. Two different Ford reps said this car would only be about 5% more than the '04 Cobra. It's going to be near impossible to get one the first year with everyone fighting over them. Unfortunately we Ford "fanboys" are now going to have to compete with the Chevy guys to buy one, lol.


$35K. That's what I said. Well lesse here, by about late summer or fall of '06, the demand may have waned enough to get one for sticker. So I'll wait till '07.

Oh.. and to the GM followers, the new Cobra SUCKS. DO NOT BUY IT. Wait for the next Camaro and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Price seems good. It will be a live axle, right? Also will IRS be optional?

The new 450HP Shelby Cobra Mustang is supposed to be "within the price of the prior generation SVT Cobra". This came direct from Ford. :usa:

Do you have a link or anything???

I keep hearing the car will start at $39K and change so I'm going to have to throw up a :bs: on this rumor.

Since the last Cobra ranged in price from $36K-$43K for a mysticrhome vert. technically $39,995 would be in range of the prior generation.

Do you have a link or anything???

I keep hearing the car will start at $39K and change so I'm going to have to throw up a :bs: on this rumor.

Since the last Cobra ranged in price from $36K-$43K for a mysticrhome vert. technically $39,995 would be in range of the prior generation.

I'm a bit skeptical my self.

But then again, most of us where skeptical from the get-go that it'd have anything near 500hp and turns out it does:think:.

All my life, I've hated Fords in general and M*stangs in particular. No real reason for it. My dad was a Mopar guy so it didn't come from him. I've owned 4 Camaros. I still own three of them. I simply don't see anything that tells me that there will be a Camaro that can compete with that Cobra. Even if it comes in at 45K, a pulley swap and exhaust would have you running down LS7s for a rediculously lower price. This is the first M*stang I would seriously consider owning. If they would just do something about that horrible dashboard and steering wheel...(even that may not be a deal breaker)

All my life, I've hated Fords in general and M*stangs in particular. No real reason for it. My dad was a Mopar guy so it didn't come from him. I've owned 4 Camaros. I still own three of them. I simply don't see anything that tells me that there will be a Camaro that can compete with that Cobra. Even if it comes in at 45K, a pulley swap and exhaust would have you running down LS7s for a rediculously lower price. This is the first M*stang I would seriously consider owning. If they would just do something about that horrible dashboard and steering wheel...(even that may not be a deal breaker)


You can get a 500HP Lingenfelter LS1 GTO for about $36K after rebate and what not.

I'd fall asleep every time I looked at it. It wouldn't have a forged bottom end either. Beautiful interior though.

If the SVT Cobra means that GM is getting owned, it would also mean every other amnufacturer is getting owned as well, but to more of an extent. How much of the entire car market will the SVT Cobra make up?

If the SVT Cobra means that GM is getting owned, it would also mean every other amnufacturer is getting owned as well, but to more of an extent. How much of the entire car market will the SVT Cobra make up?


Thats ridicules question. How much of the market does the entire combined performance segment make up?

This car is bad ass for that price. Between it, the srt8 charger and the srt8 300c the options are fantastic compared to a year ago!

If the SVT Cobra means that GM is getting owned, it would also mean every other amnufacturer is getting owned as well, but to more of an extent. How much of the entire car market will the SVT Cobra make up?
don't focus just on the SVT Cobra, focus on the 200,000 mustangs that ford is selling the first year of this bodystyle and the fact that GM has nothing to compete and has lost its share of the muscle car market.

GM didn't lose its share of the market, they GAVE IT AWAY.

I know all the internal politics and the CAW/plant/name stuff, and its still no excuse to me.

I see no point being loyal when theres no product to be loyal to. It was different when there was Mustang and Camaro/Firebird, because when one was winning at least the fanboys could defend their car until the pendulum swung the other way.

The pendulum isn't swining anymore because GM walked away and has been too busy changing its mind every 6 mos in how to build RWD again that it can't bring anything to market to compete.

GM gave it away, and IMO they forsook all of us. Killing our car basically says "we don't care if you go to the other side".

Red Planet aside, I've completely lost my faith in GM. He's a good guy and a real champion for the cause but he can only do so much. I gave him 3 years just because he asked us to keep the faith. W/o something to believe in that is concrete, and it needs to be here REALLY SOON, I'm gone for good to GM. At this point the ONLY car I would ever consider buying new from GM is a Corvette, and that's just because a Corvette is a Corvette and its the only real GM product right now that delivers what we want in droves.

GM has the best powerplants in the business, but they just can't make decisions efficiently enough to build any cars around the engines. This is a total shame. The fact we never got an LS1 Impala SS is a CRIME against humanity IMO. We would have beat everybody else to the RWD sedan market by never leaving it if I had been in charge, LOL.

I'll stay loyal to my car, and to my car club, and we'll continue to work promoting the heritage of the F-body, but as far as GM today and their new products....I'm out.

Any ideas on when they will be available for order ?

I don't know when it will be available for order, but rumor is that ANY Ford dealership should be able to sell it. That's right, it doesn't have to be a SVT certified dealership. Servicing is another story though...I wouldn't take it to anyone BUT a SVT dealer for servicing.

Oh.. and to the GM followers, the new Cobra SUCKS. DO NOT BUY IT. Wait for the next Camaro and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

Ordered. This is wifeys next car. She's the Mustang person.

Now, if the Z06 only came in a convertible, that would be my next car. And life would truly be grand.

GM, you listening?

Most of the people missed my point. Cobra may be awesome, but it isn't going to bring down any other companies. Cobra does not "own" GM any more than it "owns" Toyota.

My ford dealer is a family friend so I get first pick on a cobra,maybe even X-plan if its offered on this car.I love my '05 GT,but 450+hp is hard not to blow my money on.

My reason for this post though is that with all this cobra hype,wouldn't you think GM would just slip for this one time and admit to a RWD muscle car is coming soon ,just to steal some of fords thunder???It would give the GM faithful(or fanatical-LOL)something to hold out for. :confused:

when are we going to get a :GMowned: emoticon?

Won't be soon enough....

All my life, I've hated Fords in general and M*stangs in particular. No real reason for it. My dad was a Mopar guy so it didn't come from him. I've owned 4 Camaros. I still own three of them. I simply don't see anything that tells me that there will be a Camaro that can compete with that Cobra. Even if it comes in at 45K, a pulley swap and exhaust would have you running down LS7s for a rediculously lower price. This is the first M*stang I would seriously consider owning. If they would just do something about that horrible dashboard and steering wheel...(even that may not be a deal breaker)


I wouldn't be betting that a pulley swap and exhaust will have you running down LS7s. A pulley and cai with a catback I doubt will rundown a new viper (would be close) but don't forget that the C6 Z06 is around 3150#s and thats alot lighter than a viper! Did you ever see that one vid with that guy named 'griffen' or something? He is putting down 6xxrwhp in his 03 cobra and doesn't make that viper in the vid look that bad. JMHO! :)

I bet it does not have the thousands in rebates the old Cobra had at one point.

Just another way the makers use rebates to mislead you.

I would love an 05 GTO, which is prices similar to the 04....but good like finding them for the $24-25K the 04's went for with rebates.

Who cares what the Cobra stickers for, the dealer markup on the estimated 7k for the first year are going to be probably 3500-5000k dollars. Show me anyone who gets one under 40k who isn't a ford employee, and I will most likely sh!t myself.

Second and third production years, maybe but not the first.

Who cares what the Cobra stickers for, the dealer markup on the estimated 7k for the first year are going to be probably 3500-5000k dollars. Show me anyone who gets one under 40k who isn't a ford employee, and I will most likely sh!t myself.

Second and third production years, maybe but not the first.

So Ford makes a new car that, rather than sticking huge rebates on it, will sell for OVER sticker because people are willing to pay more than normal price to get this car.

I wish the General made cars this desirable.

Most of the people missed my point. Cobra may be awesome, but it isn't going to bring down any other companies. Cobra does not "own" GM any more than it "owns" Toyota.
Bang for buck, its the only pony car in its class. What does it compete with, in its price range?
Ford, just for kicks, should make a performance sedan to compete with the Charger and GTO :p What the hell

lol, yeah, and Ford should also just for kicks make another Pony car to compete with itself... And call it the Panther! For no reason at all, just to rub it in the generals face even more.

lol, yeah, and Ford should also just for kicks make another Pony car to compete with itself... And call it the Panther! For no reason at all, just to rub it in the generals face even more.
Ford :bow:

At least they know how to build a RWD :lol:

lol, yeah, and Ford should also just for kicks make another Pony car to compete with itself... And call it the Panther! For no reason at all, just to rub it in the generals face even more.
Hey the Cougar just might come back and they will be doing exactly that.
Mmmm...I'd love to get my hands on a Cougar powered by this engine.

I wouldn't be betting that a pulley swap and exhaust will have you running down LS7s. A pulley and cai with a catback I doubt will rundown a new viper (would be close) but don't forget that the C6 Z06 is around 3150#s and thats alot lighter than a viper! Did you ever see that one vid with that guy named 'griffen' or something? He is putting down 6xxrwhp in his 03 cobra and doesn't make that viper in the vid look that bad. JMHO! :)

Griffen is a local South Florida guy here. He had a strong running car (he sold it). His biggest issue was driving it. He always admitted he needed more practice.

All things considered, I'd rather have an LS7.

I don't understand where GM got owned. The new Cobra is creeping up on the price of a C6. Now compare that Cobra to a C6 and tell me that GM got owned? I don't think so. It will be interesting to see what straight line acceleration the Cobra will have. I bet it will be close to the C6, and we all know the C6 will eat the Cobra alive on a road coarse. My $0.02

Dan

I don't understand where GM got owned. The new Cobra is creeping up on the price of a C6. Now compare that Cobra to a C6 and tell me that GM got owned? I don't think so. It will be interesting to see what straight line acceleration the Cobra will have. I bet it will be close to the C6, and we all know the C6 will eat the Cobra alive on a road coarse. My $0.02

Dan

Bingo!
Well stated my friend.

Assuming the MSRP of the new Cobra is around 37k, add like 7k for mark ups and that gets you to 44k. Now, in CA, C6 Vette's START at that price, without markups. And all you have to do is wait until the '08 Cobra comes out, and then the '07's will drop like crazy. It would be alot easier to get the cobra for around 39k OTD than it would be to get a C6 Vette for even 45k OTD. Then there's the fact that I'd be a pulley swap, tune, and exhaust away from 700hp. There's really no comparison with the Cobra vrs C6 on Price vrs Performance.

But don't get me wrong, the C6 will out handle the Cobra without breaking a sweat, has alot of extra standard features that are pretty kickass like the Nav system, and it's a Vette. :cool: Unfortunately for most of us, it's just slightly out of our price range, and doesn't have a back seat. :(

I'd be willing to be in a straight line the GT500 will blister a base Vette with little problem if the rumors are true.

I won't go so far to say GM is getting "owned" but they are having the lack of a Camaro rubbed in their faces.

Assuming the MSRP of the new Cobra is around 37k, add like 7k for mark ups and that gets you to 44k. Now, in CA, C6 Vette's START at that price, without markups. And all you have to do is wait until the '08 Cobra comes out, and then the '07's will drop like crazy. It would be alot easier to get the cobra for around 39k OTD than it would be to get a C6 Vette for even 45k OTD. Then there's the fact that I'd be a pulley swap, tune, and exhaust away from 700hp. There's really no comparison with the Cobra vrs C6 on Price vrs Performance.

But don't get me wrong, the C6 will out handle the Cobra without breaking a sweat, has alot of extra standard features that are pretty kickass like the Nav system, and it's a Vette. :cool: Unfortunately for most of us, it's just slightly out of our price range, and doesn't have a back seat. :(
I agree, and think its pretty significant that you could get a 07 for 39 otd like you said. My last two fords were all bought while newer years were available, and they have no problem hitting it at invoice (before rebates). The Corvette wont be so easy to get bargained on, since its more luxurious, though maybe with the lack of Camaro dealers might be willing to go down more on them. I'm not sure but I've always gotten the impression that more luxurious cars are harder to haggle with.
But on the back seat issue, I'd hope that someone buying a new car would be able to afford a decent hotel room :p
Vettes have that 'old man' stigma and Mustangs have that 'theyre everywhere' stimga. hmm.

The new GT500 is a helluva car. It smokes everything from GM all things considered. GM is beat on performance this year and next. The company is in trouble with bad management and standards that are too low all-round.

These guys don't understand. Ford's great grandson is on a mission. He wants Ford at the top again. This year he's done it on performance hands down.

I agree, these last few years have been great for Ford. All new Mustang, a new 450+ HP Cobra based off of it, best selling F150 again, Ford GT... Things are definately looking good for the Blue Oval group.

I don't understand where GM got owned. The new Cobra is creeping up on the price of a C6. Now compare that Cobra to a C6 and tell me that GM got owned? I don't think so. It will be interesting to see what straight line acceleration the Cobra will have. I bet it will be close to the C6, and we all know the C6 will eat the Cobra alive on a road coarse. My $0.02

Dan
estimated sales of 2005 mustang - 200,000

estimated sales of GM equivalent - 0 (or like 10,000 if you wanna count GTO sales)


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estimated sales of 2005 mustang - 200,000

estimated sales of GM equivalent - 0 (or like 10,000 if you wanna count GTO sales)


:GMowned:

So the Camaro is the only thing that you can compare the Cobra to? :rolleyes:

If you want to go by car sales, then you will win your arguement.

If you go by performance/dollar you have no foot to stand on when you say "GM Owned". Even for slightly more money the C6 is a better performance/dollar value in my opinion, unless the only thing you ever do in your car is drive in a straight line. The GTO also gives the Cobra a run for it's money with respect to performance/dollar.

Dan

Shouldn't it be cheaper??

I know it has more power but other than that, every other build cost is equal or less to its '04 counterpart right??

Didn't the '04s have IRS and the new ones a live axle?

If you go by performance/dollar you have no foot to stand on when you say "GM Owned". Even for slightly more money the C6 is a better performance/dollar value in my opinion, unless the only thing you ever do in your car is drive in a straight line. The GTO also gives the Cobra a run for it's money with respect to performance/dollar.

I see this argument a lot here. How often do people with Corvettes or GTO's take their cars to the track? Not the strip, the track. Not very often I can tell you. Most people drag race when they race their cars. That's a fact. Even street racing is almost always a straight line unless things have changed since yesterday. I respect your opinion, but I totally disagree with it. The best performance per dollar is the Mustang hands down GT or Cobra. If Camaro was still being made, I'd say Camaro, but it's not.

Shouldn't it be cheaper??

I know it has more power but other than that, every other build cost is equal or less to its '04 counterpart right??

Didn't the '04s have IRS and the new ones a live axle?

It has a different engine and a twin screw supercharger. That cost is most likely offset by savings in other areas. I belive the 5% more rumor I heard.

So the Camaro is the only thing that you can compare the Cobra to? :rolleyes:

If you want to go by car sales, then you will win your arguement.

If you go by performance/dollar you have no foot to stand on when you say "GM Owned". Even for slightly more money the C6 is a better performance/dollar value in my opinion, unless the only thing you ever do in your car is drive in a straight line. The GTO also gives the Cobra a run for it's money with respect to performance/dollar.

Dan
Depending on what the Cobra is priced at I don't think the GTO will give the Cobra a "run for it's money" in the performance/dollar department.
If it's 39k....eh maybe. If it's 36-37k....uh uh.

Depending on what the Cobra is priced at I don't think the GTO will give the Cobra a "run for it's money" in the performance/dollar department.
If it's 39k....eh maybe. If it's 36-37k....uh uh.

I'd have to agree with you there. If the Cobra comes in at 36-37k, which I HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt, the performance/dollar probably swings to the Cobra. I like the look of the new Cobra very much, and it's performance at the strip should be very good.

PaperTarget, the same can be said about the strip. I know VERY few people who take their car to the strip, and also very few people who autox or take their car the road coarse. Neither venue has a big percentage of buyers doing it. It boils down to all around performance/dollar. If you equate that to straight line acceleration, then that's fine, but pretty narrow minded. A lot of people don't buy a car simply based on 0-60 or 1/4 mile time. I have a Camaro and I don't focus heavily on 1/4 mile times. Not everyone does. My version of a great car is one that is as fun to whip around a high speed corner as it is to blast in a straight line. I'm not the only one in the world who feels this way. Look at my sig, and then look at my webpage and see where most of my mods have gone... suspension, chassis and brakes, and not just the engine. GASP!

In any case, I hope the Cobra is a hit. I like it, but it's not "Owning GM" by any means.

Dan

My ford dealer is a family friend so I get first pick on a cobra,maybe even X-plan if its offered on this car.I love my '05 GT,but 450+hp is hard not to blow my money on.

My reason for this post though is that with all this cobra hype,wouldn't you think GM would just slip for this one time and admit to a RWD muscle car is coming soon ,just to steal some of fords thunder???It would give the GM faithful(or fanatical-LOL)something to hold out for. :confused:

As of Friday, Ford is STILL NOT selling Mustangs to anyone on B or X-plans because the demand is so high. :eek:
They still have over 70k orders en-queue, and we are entering April here folks. Verts are starting to pile in now. Apparently there were many holding out for the vert who are now placing orders.

You can order... and you'll pay MSRP.

I would not expect this Cobra to make it to any bargain plans within the first few years. :no:

Depending on what the Cobra is priced at I don't think the GTO will give the Cobra a "run for it's money" in the performance/dollar department.
If it's 39k....eh maybe. If it's 36-37k....uh uh.No offense, but IMO, the '07 Shelby GT500 is going to stomp the LS2 powered GTO's.
The car is still going to be lighter (Ford is stating "under 3600lbs"), have significantly more hp (I'd guess around 100rwhp more), bigger brakes (14" front/13" rear) and a chassis that has already been proven to be pretty damn well sorted in the '05 GT.
You can use the interior argument, but that's subjective at best.
This car is going to run away from GTO like it's not even there, IMO.
S.

I read this whole thread thinking yeah gm is getting owned and then I realized something. This cobra is dated for '07. That's quite a ways away and the newer model GTO is supposed to be out then (if they don't axe Pontiac like the idiots they are). So you can't compare this cobra to anything right now because it won't be out for TWO MORE YEARS. I know GM has been retarded lately but give em time. They'll retaliate with something.

Everyone seems to forget.....

1) the LS2 GTO is $33K (before discounts) This Cobra wil be about $40K
2) Powerwise the GTO is between the 300HP GT and 450-500HP Cobra
3) The next GTO will be out by 2007 and then it is a whole new ball game.

If there was a Mach1 it would be the car that competes with the GTO. For its price and power, the Cobra should be compared to Lingenfelter GTOs

No offense, but IMO, the '07 Shelby GT500 is going to stomp the LS2 powered GTO's.
The car is still going to be lighter (Ford is stating "under 3600lbs"), have significantly more hp (I'd guess around 100rwhp more), bigger brakes (14" front/13" rear) and a chassis that has already been proven to be pretty damn well sorted in the '05 GT.
You can use the interior argument, but that's subjective at best.
This car is going to run away from GTO like it's not even there, IMO.
S.
Ok.... don't think I said it would and I pretty much agree with that but ok...

Everyone seems to forget.....

1) the LS2 GTO is $33K (before discounts) This Cobra wil be about $40K
2) Powerwise the GTO is between the 300HP GT and 450-500HP Cobra
3) The next GTO will be out by 2007 and then it is a whole new ball game.

If there was a Mach1 it would be the car that competes with the GTO. For its price and power, the Cobra should be compared to Lingenfelter GTOs
Well we can't "compare" the Cobra to anything really because the pricing hasn't been released yet. As I said above if the Cobra DOES come in at or around the price of the previous Cobra it's not contest. If it comes in at 40k then we'll see.
But gotta say if I had 40k I still wouldn't get that Lingenfelter. The Cobra is just a nearly perfect car in my book.

The way GM is working, I'm starting to think Corvette took the place of Camaro in the Camaro v. Mustang wars, nothing else can really compete with these cars except the new Z06.

I read this whole thread thinking yeah gm is getting owned and then I realized something. This cobra is dated for '07. That's quite a ways away and the newer model GTO is supposed to be out then (if they don't axe Pontiac like the idiots they are). So you can't compare this cobra to anything right now because it won't be out for TWO MORE YEARS. I know GM has been retarded lately but give em time. They'll retaliate with something.
Your point is made, and valid. No quams from me. I often am the one saying "2 years is a long time - things will change", so it's nice to see a similar viewpoint.

Having said that, let's view the same picture from a different angle...
So Ford is able to "not only" give us a glimmer of what they propose to sell in 2007, but they are able to actually show us the car itself... at a show... in motion... under it's own power.
GM on the other hand is able to give us... "unofficial" hints?
I understand GM's "business position" - honest I do - but sometimes you just gotta bend the rules a little to keep your loyal followers in the fold. I have a personal problem with the corporate silent treatment.
Hats-off to Red, Guy, and Z284ever for keeping the faith alive as best they can. :bow: Shame GM can't do the same formally. :(

Speaking of "secrets"... I'll say this again - Ford kept the S197 Mustang a secret right up until the end. The car was basically dimensioned and spec'ed in Q1 of 2002, and concepts were surprisingly close back in 2000, yet nobody knew squat until late 2003 when parts started getting quoted outside and tooling was being ordered. The GT and Convertible showcars at NAIAS 2004 were actually production cars sent to a custom shop in California to be made into specialty show cars!!! Yup - they went "backwards" for the show!!!
So with all the great secret-keeping ability that Ford has demonstrated, why bother "leaking" the Cobra 2 model-years early?
LOYALTY. To the followers of the car... the hobbyists... the collectors... the racers... in short - everyone that cares.
Heaven knows that the Mustang doesn't need MORE publicity right now, what with the car basically selling above manufacturing capacity and almost a half-years' worth of orders still on the books to be built. They did it for the loyal followers - to let them know what's coming, plain and simple.

Better yet, if they could keep the S197 Mustang locked down so tight from the media for almost 2 years after development was complete, just imagine what other DC2 platform derivative might be finishing-up right now?!?! Maybe a unit with an IRS system out back, last years 390hp Cobra motor up front, a t-56, and a cat in the grill? ;)

Oh yeah, one last thing... go back about 3 months and look at some of the posts on this board about SVT going under, being cut-off, and getting bashed for not having the Lightning on dealer lots in the same MY as the new truck debuted. :rolleyes: Some of us missed the whole boat now, didn't we?
I guess NOW we know what the SVT engineers and product guys have been doing for the last 24 months, eh? With the Adrenaline and Cobra GT500 heading into production after all testing is done, and right on the heels of Project Daisy, the GR1, and GT(40) development. I'd say they have been hard at it. I'd also say there is more good stuff to come. This fall and next year at NAIAS should be very interesting times for Ford's performance group.

Off the soap box now.
Just throwing some additional optimism on a smoldering fire.

PS - It is a documented FACT that DC2 platform was designed in conjunction with SVT engineers to accept an IRS rear... specifically.
There is an IRS to "plug-and-play" in this platform. :D
It's not like it can't/won't happen because the GT500 show car doesn't have it. :cool:

So all the boo-hoo-ing about an IRS system (or lack thereof) is wasted emotion. In due time, you will be able to buy your own from FRPP and install it with wrenches, have it dealer installed, buy a tuner car with it already there, or buy an "alternative" model with it in place. Either way, Ford gets their production cost down, aftermarket parts sales have another offering, and the consumer gets to have whatever they want, for whatever they want to pay for it.

IMO, the bulletproof solid axles are the best (a.k.a. SAFEST) way for Ford to execute a great product launch with minimal risk or part failure, not to mention the economics, and the numerous other reasons previously hashed-out on this board.

A lot of allusion there Proud...care to clue the unwashed masses in on a certain gato grande returning?

From Autoweek:
Ford product chief Phil Martens:
Prices for SVT products will range from less than $20,000 to more than $40,000, Martens says. The GT500 will cost about $40,000.

http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102068

The 40k price tag wouldnt surprise me.

Just 15 minutes ago, i cruised alongside an 04 Mystichrome vert driven by a middle aged women. Yes! She was driving a 44k Cobra. The 2004 Cobra convertible msrp'd at $39,575 (includes $625 destination/delivery)and the mystichrome package added another $3,650 for a total of $43,225.

So i don't think 40k for the 07 coupe is out of the question really. Especially when you consider the upgrades. On the plus side, it's fairly loaded so that makes the 40k a bit easier to swallow. The sub-500hp output helps too;). Personally, i'd easily plop down 40 large ones for this beast. Though for about 4k more (assuming Cobra msrp's at sub-40k), the base c6 would be awfully tempting too.

I can see the convertible version of this GT500 hitting $43-44k. Still not bad. You still wouldn't find a sub-500hp droptop anywhere near that price.

Well 40K plus price gouging for the first few runs of the car. Producing 7,500 a year is going to put a premium on the thing, depending on the number of years its produced, but I am sure some dealers will sell at MSRP.

Well 40K plus price gouging for the first few runs of the car. Producing 7,500 a year is going to put a premium on the thing, depending on the number of years its produced, but I am sure some dealers will sell at MSRP.

Indeed, some dealer will gouge. But some probably won't. I remember when the 03 Cobra's hit dealer lots. Unless i'm mistaken, a lot did go for msrp. And what gouging was there disappeared quickly after a couple of months.

Ford said they'll build the GT500 on an order basis so i don't think production will be limited to 7,500. They'll try to sell as many of them as they can. And so i hope they make pricing very clear to their SVT dealerships. Start marking them up by 5k, and there probably won't be as many sales.

Thats good to hear, since most 'premium' models are prime for gouging.

As far as production goes, I see v6ers on the lot every time I drive by the dealer :)


Hmm...wonder what Roush will come up with by then :eek:

The new Shelby GT 500 will go on sale in summer of '06, just over a year away. It has an INCREDIBLE beefed up 5.4 litre 32 valve supercharged motor which also comes in the GT40. From what I have heard from Ford engineers, is that it will be in 480-490hp range. Even if the coupe stickers at $40k, I will sell all my GM junk to own one. I have owned 18 forth gen Trans Ams, but they cannot compare to this new Mustang.
Owning/driving a new GTO is like having sex with a passed out woman, there's just something missing. My GTO lease is up in July 06, just in time to scour the country for a Shelby GT 500 at MSRP.
GM delayed the US made GTO and the new Camaro when it killed the Zeta platform by at least a year. There are no plans for RWD replacements thru the year 2008. New C6 Vettes are piling up on dealer lots around Detroit area and I see them advertized for $8000 off sticker. Chrysler is coming out with a 425hp Hemi and GM sales of new cars are not up to projections. GM replaced the Grand Am with the new G6 that now has a $3000 rebate on it.
It seems as though the execs at GM are trying to put the company in bankrupcy just so they can get out of paying the employees/retirees $5.5 Billion annual health benefits.

The new Shelby GT 500 will go on sale in summer of '06, just over a year away. It has an INCREDIBLE beefed up 5.4 litre 32 valve supercharged motor which also comes in the GT40. From what I have heard from Ford engineers, is that it will be in 480-490hp range. Even if the coupe stickers at $40k, I will sell all my GM junk to own one. I have owned 18 forth gen Trans Ams, but they cannot compare to this new Mustang.
Owning/driving a new GTO is like having sex with a passed out woman, there's just something missing. My GTO lease is up in July 06, just in time to scour the country for a Shelby GT 500 at MSRP.
GM delayed the US made GTO and the new Camaro when it killed the Zeta platform by at least a year. There are no plans for RWD replacements thru the year 2008. New C6 Vettes are piling up on dealer lots around Detroit area and I see them advertized for $8000 off sticker. Chrysler is coming out with a 425hp Hemi and GM sales of new cars are not up to projections. GM replaced the Grand Am with the new G6 that now has a $3000 rebate on it.
It seems as though the execs at GM are trying to put the company in bankrupcy just so they can get out of paying the employees/retirees $5.5 Billion annual health benefits.Yeah, there's something about having a 5.4L factory supercharged pony. I would strongly recommend you do the same thing I've done with my last two purchases: email all Ford dealers within a 3-4 hours drive, and tell them all exactly what you want (one of the very first things they look for in a customer if they're going to play with price or not) and tell them you ARE shopping for price. When you know what you are willing to pay, and what you want, their respect level (for you, the customer) becomes unbelievable.
You'll have the availability issue but you're willing to pay a premium (at msrp) so that will not be an issue. Unlike you, I've always liked previous Mustangs and didn't like the 05's, but like you, I'm really excited about this Shelby.
I'll play devils advocate on the debt issue and say that the UAW needs to realize the reality of NAFTA and lower their wage demands...or else deal with more layoffs. Its very simple, they're overpaid and they need to find contentment either in lower wages or being laid off (permanently). I don't mean to make this another UAW thread, but I do think its critical for the future of GM/Ford/DCX employees to get their act together, as well as their executives. I wish all domestic companies the best success but I dont see it as a reality.


More pictures here: http://www.mustangworld.com/ourpics/News/shelbycob07/Shelbycob.htm

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GM delayed the US made GTO and the new Camaro when it killed the Zeta platform by at least a year. There are no plans for RWD replacements thru the year 2008. ...


Actually I do believe that Bob Lutz and Scott have both said that GM IS working on RWD vehicles, and the main reason that Zeta is gone is that it would not have been in the right price point.

Nobody has said a word about the 08 GTO. The GTO could be made in AUS just like the current one is because Holden is not stopping work on Zeta. Zeta will not be made it the states but bet all you got that Zeta isn't dead around the world.