after seeing this all i can think of is Who Cares if there is a 5th gen

http://racergarage.com/shelbyGT500/

:eek: :bow: :bow: :eek:

Not me, the way GM is designing their new cars, their new camaro is gonna look like **** for sure.

btw, who is the old fart at the end? Is that the shelby dude?

I have to ....*shudders*...agree...I have never owned a ford, but me likes

btw, who is the old fart at the end? Is that the shelby dude?

*smacks forehead*

And you're in Tejas.... :p

And, yes, it's the man himself, Carroll Shelby, for whom the car was named....

Sorry brotha, im not a ford or 60's muscle car fanatic. I know what I like and I like what I like :p.

Looks better but I still don't really like the looks of the new mustang. Hard to argue with that kind of performance though. Now let's see if they actually keep the price below 40k before the god awful dealer markup these cars will get.

I don't really like he new stangs. The front end looks like....drooping eyes...I like the previous ones, like the 2000's...those are alright. But, I'd never own a F*rd.

Gotta say, the Shelby version is much better looking than the GT or Coupe. I guess it's just the small details they changed. Truthfully I wouldn't mind having one. I've always been diehard GM for performance, but with their current offerings that's all starting to change (SSR, GTO, Vette, the new el camino they've been talking about :rolleyes: ).

:bow: Looks great! I never liked the new look of the mustangs, but the way they touched that up, it looks awesome! They painted the back bumper on the bottom black, sorta like the 02 ta's anniv. , and it makes the bumper not look so big. Makes me almost want to buy one, how much hp does that SC add?

That thing is badass...


Likely more then I can afford but I dig the new GTs, but I still have a soft spot for the older ones the Mach Is are pretty sweet.

its going to be expensive though.. i bet in the end it will cost about as much as a C6, maybe a few thousand cheaper..

At that point, I rather get a C6 which is still a better car overall...

But its still a badass car. Kudos to Ford.

We'll just have to see exactly how much HP, how much weight, and how much money it'll actually be when it hits the showroom.

I still can't get over the questionability of the 05+ Stang design...oh well.

The fornt and the rear need work, in my opinion. The rear could be, well, not as sloped. A little straighter, something else with the taillights. Square out the front, with the hood and all......Ih :rolleyes:

The only thing that really bothers me on the new mustangs is the rear view mirrors. They just don't look right...

http://racergarage.com/shelbyGT500/

:eek: :bow: :bow: :eek:
Uh....its cool...but its not THAT cool.

Exterior = not bad, ok..
Interior = too square, too boxy, too.. YELLOW TEETH :D

Whether you like the new body style or not Ford is making a statement. They care about performane and style. They are taking risks. Look at what Chrysler is doing with the 300, Magnum, and Charger. They may be big but have lots of balls and have unique styling. I'm even eying the mag / charger because I need a back seat big enough for three car seats.

What is GM doing? Not much. Yes I *love* the interior and power of the GTO but it is kind of plain on the outside. It is also a rebadged import. By killing the Zeta platform for a few years they are sending an opposite message: we only care about trucks, SUV's and rental car sedans. I actually think keeping the GTO as an import will be better for the car so it does not become "GM-ified" with the cheap-ass interior.

A coworker just got a new Acura TL (upscale Accord). Wow. The first time I sat in there all I could think is why can't GM do this. Kind of a shame.

damn. that is the only words i can think of. damn.

I notice that the front end resembles the original concept car more than the GT and V6. That is a good thing, IMO. :thumb:

Ford isn't stupid.

They are captializing on the death of GM's "muscle cars."

The new Mustang rocks! American muscle and performance at an affordable price. The cars look great.

That front end is just ugly. For my money, I would buy a new C6 and I just might do that in a year or two. It really is a shame that there is no Camaro because it would be great to see what Chevy would do.

Also, the whole "Shelby" thing just seems really lame. It is just a name tacked on to try and lure buyers and give it that extra retro flair that drives it over the edge. Isn't it true that Shelby had nothing to do with the development and testing of the car? I am sure it will work for them so I guess you can't blame them for doing it.

:eek: Defintely like the evolution of the front end treatment in that Shelby Cobra! Look out GTO...sexy & supercharged... :think:
I'd LOVED to have seen BLOWN SS lining up with that machine! :cry:
But Alas........

now all we need is the orange judge GTO concept to come back...

with a blown LS2 pushing 550+hp of course :bow:

i've never liked the look of the '05 stang...but i gotta admit, this car is clean. but it could just be the c5 z06-ish wheels :D

A lot of people are saying "who cares about a new Camaro" when they see the new Mustang. Love it or hate it, you cannot mistake it for any other vehicle on the road today. It has presence. It has cool. It has heritage. Even gearheads at GM like it. You have to give those folks from Dearborn their due when it comes to performance vehicles as of late.

http://racergarage.com/shelbyGT500/

:eek: :bow: :bow: :eek:


What year is it? 1968, yea thought so. :rolleyes:


That interior is GROSS and what is the big red button? AN ejection button so you don't burn to death when it rolls over and explodes.

"Who cares if there's a 5th Gen?" WHO CARES IF THERE'S A 5TH GEN???

I care. :rolleyes: Seriously that Cobra is shaping up to be an outstanding value, and a fast ride, but come on people.....you think the pony car market is healthier with just one choice in it?

"Who cares if there's a 5th Gen?" WHO CARES IF THERE'S A 5TH GEN???

I care. :rolleyes: Seriously that Cobra is shaping up to be an outstanding value, and a fast ride, but come on people.....you think the pony car market is healthier with just one choice in it?
i agree with you in concept

but GM isn't going to step up to the plate, they've already lost their foothold in the musclecar market, and quite frankly they don't seem to really care. all that keeps being said is TRUCKS are where the money is, while ford is laughing all the way to the bank by selling 200,000 mustangs in 2005.


i'm all for competition, in fact i wish there was competition, but no company wants to be in the musclecar market other than FORD and they've produced a steller product even though there are a good 4 or 5 people that say otherwise.

i agree with you in concept

but GM isn't going to step up to the plate, they've already lost their foothold in the musclecar market, and quite frankly they don't seem to really care. all that keeps being said is TRUCKS are where the money is, while ford is laughing all the way to the bank by selling 200,000 mustangs in 2005.


i'm all for competition, in fact i wish there was competition, but no company wants to be in the musclecar market other than FORD and they've produced a steller product even though there are a good 4 or 5 people that say otherwise.


Please tell me you are joking. :rolleyes:

GM does care it just takes them twice as long to execute as oppose to ford or Chrysler. :think:

Please tell me you are joking. :rolleyes:

GM does care it just takes them twice as long to execute as oppose to ford or Chrysler. :think:
"keep the faith" does not count as giving a damn.

Sadly, I'd buy one. Looks to me are incredible...

I have one HUGE complaint with the GT500...

The stock boost gauge only goes to 15psi! Put 20psi on that motor! Comon!

Rumor of it costing the same as the 2004 Cobra (if True) will sell those things silly fast.

Gotta admit, Ford did it with the Mustang when they first released it over 40 years ago. Wanted to sell 100,000 in the first year. After riots at dealerships they ended up selling 600,000 within like 18 months.

Also, the mustang was the first car to have an "options list" as we know it today. And with the new styling?

If I wanted a 2+2 new car, I know the GTO performs better and has better build (after riding/driving/looking over both) but for sheer "bam!" asthetics and the feeling of looking at that in your garage? I'd take the Mustang over the GTO. Not the regular GT Mustang though... the GT500.

And yes. The man sitting behind the wheel. I wonder what he thinks of the new version?

What year is it? 1968, yea thought so. :rolleyes:



no actually, i believe the year would be 1965 when the mustang had no competition against a camaro.

see, in 1968 there WAS a camaro being produced. i believe the year 1965 would be a much better year for your argument due to its lack of such a camaro.

:D

More thoughts-

If a new "Z/28" Camaro looks that good - I'll buy both and leave them side by side in the garage for fun.

However....

In the last picture, anyone notice the 22mm Emergency Stop switch and the guages on the pillar with Shelby driving it?

gauges? Those I could understand. It's probably not stock. But the 22mm Red "Push to Engage, Twist to Release" switch? WTF?

More thoughts-

If a new "Z/28" Camaro looks that good - I'll buy both and leave them side by side in the garage for fun.

However....

In the last picture, anyone notice the 22mm Emergency Stop switch and the guages on the pillar with Shelby driving it?

gauges? Those I could understand. It's probably not stock. But the 22mm Red "Push to Engage, Twist to Release" switch? WTF?
that isn't in the final production photos

prolly a test car of some sort.

that isn't in the final production photos

prolly a test car of some sort.

I'm nearly sure of that... I dont know about you though, but when I see a big red button, I have this great urge to push it. :D I wonder why it was there in the first place? What was it for?

A lot of people are saying "who cares about a new Camaro" when they see the new Mustang. Love it or hate it, you cannot mistake it for any other vehicle on the road today. It has presence. It has cool. It has heritage. Even gearheads at GM like it. You have to give those folks from Dearborn their due when it comes to performance vehicles as of late.

Exactly. Ford needed a really big hit and they got a grandslam.

Well, just a few complaints

1. the interior isn't for me at all

2. WTF is up with those seats? Those are totally unworthy of being in a $40,000 sports car. If this car does manage to handle, you're going to be holding on for dear life just to stay in your chair. Saturn Ions and Dodge Neons come with better seats than that.

I'm nearly sure of that... I dont know about you though, but when I see a big red button, I have this great urge to push it. :D I wonder why it was there in the first place? What was it for?

I've seen pictures of the 05 GTO before it went to production, and it had a similar button. It's just an emergency stop switch, nothing fancy. Don't want a fire in our expensive test car, do we? ;)

I'm nearly sure of that... I dont know about you though, but when I see a big red button, I have this great urge to push it. :D I wonder why it was there in the first place? What was it for?

Every pre production vehicle I've photographed has had it. Never really asked what it is for.

Hey huys check out link removed due to massive popups and spam

That website pretty much sucks but it does have pics of the "supposed" new Camaros.
And they are sharp!!!!

problem solved, mods deleted the post that this one was responding to.

What the hell is that all about?

Well wwwDOTcamarosourceDOTcom

What the hell is that all about?

Well wwwDOTcamarosourceDOTcom

Either way, it's probably nothing we haven't seen already here.

At this stage, any drawing out there is speculative.

What the hell is that all about?

Well wwwDOTcamarosourceDOTcom

:confused: WTF would a site like that know anyway? Its nothing but a browser capture website.

I was just trying to help you guys out and show you some possibilities.

I never said it was a good site I simply said that they had some pics on there that are worth checking out!!!! :death:

I was just trying to help you guys out and show you some possibilities.

I never said it was a good site I simply said that they had some pics on there that are worth checking out!!!! :death:
Where are the pics? All the website does is link you to other sites, try to reset your homepage, and launches a ton of pop-ups.

What is it with Ford always copying Corvette wheels.
the 99 style looked just like the ZR1's http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/DisplayWheel.jsp?wheelMake=SVT&wheelModel=03+Focus&wheelFinish=Chrome+Plated
now the new cobra has Z06 wheels? I guess they have to copy everything? Cant come up with anything creative on their own? :think:

5 stars aren't exactly a unique wheel design.

What is it with Ford always copying Corvette wheels.
the 99 style looked just like the ZR1's http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/DisplayWheel.jsp?wheelMake=SVT&wheelModel=03+Focus&wheelFinish=Chrome+Plated
now the new cobra has Z06 wheels? I guess they have to copy everything? Cant come up with anything creative on their own? :think:
ford isn't copying GM

at least they're still making the mustang ...

if there is no new camaro by the time i graduate college in 07, i'm gonna buy a ford.

Not me, the way GM is designing their new cars, their new camaro is gonna look like **** for sure.

I've never thouigh of the Camaro to favor the current Chevy look, so it shouldn't matter what the other Chevy cars look like. Camaro will still be to its own look, I would think.

.... and I still care, to answer the thread question.

But by the time that thing hits the streets, I will probably be completely (im already half way there) burned out on that '05 look.

But if they rate that motor like they rated the previous blown powerplant... it'll be damn fast!

5 stars aren't exactly a unique wheel design.
Right, so every 5 star looks exactly the same? These look quite similar to me.
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/DisplayWheel.jsp?wheelMake=SVT&wheelModel=03+Focus&wheelFinish=Chrome+Plated
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/DisplayWheel.jsp?wheelMake=Sport+Edition&wheelModel=5055&wheelFinish=Chrome+Plated

Then the Z06 has 10 spokes and the new Cobra goes to similar 10 spokes....but then again I guess they aren't unique either? Not that it makes any difference, i guess its just coincidence. :)

I'll have to say, I actually like the interior. Don't particularly like the gauges or the ridiculous color changing... The exterior still looks like pure barf. The spoiler is a good addition, if the rear end weren't so damn ugly... Then there is the front which looks good until you see those glorious black rear view mirrors YUM... their tastefully tacky :rolleyes:. More beautiful things have come out of my ass after chili day at the cafeteria. I'll never own a F*rd unless it has a CHEVY MOTOR. I'd much rather have a Vette or just about anything else for that matter. Gimme a supercharged GTO over this garbage anyday. All hail the general :bow: KEEP THE FAITH.

ford isn't copying GM

at least they're still making the mustang ...


Pay attention, I was referring to the Corvette.

I'm not, nor have I ever been a Ford fan...........but I find myself thinking of ways I could try to afford that car.:shock:

That thing is smokin.:bow:

You screwed up royal GM........:shame:

Pay attention, I was referring to the Corvette.
the mustang was rarely compared to the vette

until the f-body was killed that is.

Right, so every 5 star looks exactly the same? These look quite similar to me.
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/DisplayWheel.jsp?wheelMake=SVT&wheelModel=03+Focus&wheelFinish=Chrome+Plated
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/DisplayWheel.jsp?wheelMake=Sport+Edition&wheelModel=5055&wheelFinish=Chrome+Plated

Then the Z06 has 10 spokes and the new Cobra goes to similar 10 spokes....but then again I guess they aren't unique either? Not that it makes any difference, i guess its just coincidence. :)
The normal evo comes with 5 stars. The super evo (FQ400) comes with 10 spoke rims. GM isn't breaking new ground here.

I don't really like he new stangs. The front end looks like....drooping eyes...I like the previous ones, like the 2000's...those are alright. But, I'd never own a F*rd.


With a badass machine like the 07 GT500, I would! :metal: But I would rather have that supercharged power under the hood of my WS6. :bow:

Right, so every 5 star looks exactly the same? These look quite similar to me.
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/DisplayWheel.jsp?wheelMake=SVT&wheelModel=03+Focus&wheelFinish=Chrome+Plated
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/DisplayWheel.jsp?wheelMake=Sport+Edition&wheelModel=5055&wheelFinish=Chrome+Plated

Then the Z06 has 10 spokes and the new Cobra goes to similar 10 spokes....but then again I guess they aren't unique either? Not that it makes any difference, i guess its just coincidence. :)
I also noticed this, as well as many other things. No one ever seems to own up to it.You know what they say, imitation is the highest form of flattery! :mad:

With a badass machine like the 07 GT500, I would! :metal: But I would rather have that supercharged power under the hood of my WS6. :bow:
I like superchargers too, however I'd rather GM continue the trend of makin' the big #'s without it. Leave that to me, I can install my own SCer. I would love to see the top Camaro beat the mustang without it. Maybe put in the bulletproof bottom end, like the Cobalt SS.

I also noticed this, as well as many other things. No one ever seems to own up to it.You know what they say, imitation is the highest form of flattery! :mad:

It's a 5 spoke people! A very plain, generic and standard looking one at that. I think i've even seen one exactly like that on my sisters mid 90's Suzuki, Lol. Chevy did NOT invent the 5 spoke people.

Now the 10 spoke z06 look-a-like ones, those are pretty close and a more of a unique design, but if you look closely, the differences are apparant. Again people, Chevy didn't invent the 10 spoke either;).

Shelby 10 spoke
http://www.tuningnews.net/news/050324a/ford-shelby-cobra-gt500-11.jpg

z06 10 spoke
http://www.wheelreplicas.com/images/zo6fside18bg.jpg

I like superchargers too, however I'd rather GM continue the trend of makin' the big #'s without it. Leave that to me, I can install my own SCer. I would love to see the top Camaro beat the mustang without it. Maybe put in the bulletproof bottom end, like the Cobalt SS.

The plus side to a factory boosted motor is it will have the supporting internals since the factory built it with the boost in mind:). That usually isn't the case with a N/A motor.

But it would be nice to see the top of the line camaro (call it ZL1) with the z06's 427ci 500hp Ls7 :bow:. But we won't.

It's a 5 spoke people! A very plain, generic and standard looking one at that. I think i've even seen one exactly like that on my sisters mid 90's Suzuki, Lol. Chevy did NOT invent the 5 spoke people.

Now the 10 spoke z06 look-a-like ones, those are pretty close and a more of a unique design, but if you look closely, the differences are apparant. Again people, Chevy didn't invent the 10 spoke either;).

Shelby 10 spoke
http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2005-Ford-Sport-Trac-Adrenaline-Concept.htm

z06 10 spoke
http://www.wheelreplicas.com/images/zo6fside18bg.jpg
the mustang 10 spoke looks nothing like the GM 10 spoke.

the mustang 10 spoke looks nothing like the GM 10 spoke.

Had the wrong link earlier. I just edited it with the correct one. They'r close, but the differences are apparant too.

Had the wrong link earlier. I just edited it with the correct one. They'r close, but the differences are apparant too.
they still don't look the same

similar in the sense that all 10 spokes look that way, but not the same.

they still don't look the same

similar in the sense that all 10 spokes look that way, but not the same.
Isn't that what he said? :rolleyes:

the mustang was rarely compared to the vette

until the f-body was killed that is.

I'm not comparing the cars...I was comparing the wheels. And once again, it doesn't make any difference...but its a little coincidental that the top mustang has now twice had very similar wheels to the top vettes, which is fine with me....I could care less....was just stating an opinion. I never said GM broke any ground with 5 stars or 10 spoke. IMO both sets look quite similar minus the centers.