Stealth Ram Pics

Here's some pictures of my Bret Bauer converted Stealth Ram installed on the motor.

http://community.webshots.com/album/172304061TCMIuE

Looks cool. What's the hood clearance like? Can you give me an idea on cost?

That motor looks like it will do some damage.

From the size of that plenum, I'm guessing there are a few cubes beneath
the heads. 383 inch for the race car?

Interesting choice of header primary lengths - unequal? No collectors?
Obviously the headers are not complete. What are your plans?

I've seen that before!

Looks good on the motor.

Bret

I've seen that before!

Looks good on the motor.

Bret

Yeah, it's about time I finally got it installed. This winter has been just totally off the wall. It's still gonna be a little while till I get everything buttoned up and get it on the dyno.

From the size of that plenum, I'm guessing there are a few cubes beneath
the heads. 383 inch for the race car?

Interesting choice of header primary lengths - unequal? No collectors?
Obviously the headers are not complete. What are your plans?

Yes, it's the 383 from the race car. The headers are Dynatech's and I've had them on this motor since it was in the street car. I will probably switch over to something else at a later date, just can't right now because of budgetary concerns.

Looks cool. What's the hood clearance like? Can you give me an idea on cost?

My race car has a Corvette Big Block Style Cowl Induction hood so in my case hood clearance is not a problem. I don't know if it would fit under a stock hood, however, I did have to cut some of the cowl.

I really wanted to paint that thing.... I just hate bare aluminum.

Bret

Soo. will it, or will it not? That's the question. Fit under the F body cowl that is.

Steve

Soo. will it, or will it not? That's the question. Fit under the F body cowl that is.

Steve

The answer is no. It will not fit under the F-body cowl without some cutting.

I really wanted to paint that thing.... I just hate bare aluminum.

Bret

I know you wanted to paint it. And to tell you the truth, if I had known it was gonna take me so long to get around to installing it I would have left you keep it and paint it. Oh well, I don't mind it the way it looks.

how is that intake compare to the Carb Style Accel intake or edelbrock Vr.Juinior? where did you get it and by "converted" do you mean what exactly?

how is that intake compare to the Carb Style Accel intake or edelbrock Vr.Juinior?

I don't know the answer to these questions. Maybe Bret or someone else can answer them.


where did you get it and by "converted" do you mean what exactly?

It's a Holley Stealth Ram. The Stealth Ram is designed for the standard SBC. Bret Bauer (did I spell it right Bret?) from Bauer Racing Engines converted it to work on the LT1 block.
Check the link below.

http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/AMS/AMSM/7540P.html

You get an A in spelling Mike!

The Stealth Ram has Longer Runners and more Pleanum which can both help on a EFI setup.

It doesn't match up to tall head ports well and the design is REALLY tall. A good single plane like a Super Vic can flow better, but in the end it all matters what you are going after, the HSR was built to replace TPI setups and does a very good job at that.

Bret

myself and a few others have questioned how this would work in the B-bodies. We've got a lot more clearance under the hood, but I don't want to spend over $300 to find out.

Brett, do you happen to have another of these around (modified or not) that you can compare with the imp ya'll have? I think it will work, especially since the B-body had a big "home plate" are silencer on top from the factory, but it'd be nice to look at the actual shape and everything before paying.

myself and a few others have questioned how this would work in the B-bodies. We've got a lot more clearance under the hood, but I don't want to spend over $300 to find out.

Bret, do you happen to have another of these around (modified or not) that you can compare with the imp ya'll have? I think it will work, especially since the B-body had a big "home plate" are silencer on top from the factory, but it'd be nice to look at the actual shape and everything before paying.

I'm curious also. I measured one very recently.

The unmodified SR manifold is about 4-1/2 inches taller than an LT1.

It looks to me that the closest fit would be at the TB where there's maybe 3 inches from the top of the TB to the hood pad. Lots more room at the rear. This might be doable.

Yeah that puppy will fit under a Imppy hood.
Bret

How far back into the cowl of an F body do you think we would be hacking and whacking?

Steve

How bad is the mismatch at the top of the port? I was hoping that the larger overall port on the HSR would cover the raised Lt1 port. I guess I can buy a gasket to lay on my Iron Lt1's to check the fit. The Impala guys would really love this mod if it was not to difficult. The HSR might build more torque(longer runners), yet still rev(HP) due to the larger runners? I will be awaiting the results from this mod!! We discussed this on the Impalass forum but gave up! AdioSS How about bolting one on to your ported heads!! :D

so how much is this set up run and what is the TB rated CFM wise?

I have no clue what I charged Mike on this maybe he can remember. I gave him a deal for some of the stuff because I figured it needed it.

I'm working on a single plane bolt on deal that should work a bunch better and work with the aftermarket heads, and have better TB placement. Oh an no cowel cutting.

I think Mike has a 58mm TB which is 1000cfm.

Bret

Bingo on the throttle body. 58MM.

I wasn't going to post what Bret charged me since I didn't know if he wanted his prices advertised here, but since he doesn't seem to have a problem with it, he charged me about $500 total for the conversion. The intake cost $300 from Summit and the fuel rails were another $200.

That sounds about right.

Bret

The Holley/Weiand ‘05 dealer literature is out and it shows the vortec version of the SR as being released (haven’t seen one in person yet). That should be an easier conversion and it would start with taller ports that should be a better match for the LT1/LT4 heads

I've heard these Holley Rumors too.... we are still talking about runner length and size here guys. I think the HSR makes a awesome intake for a Impala, I'm not 100% sure on the F-Body yet, partly due to fittment issues with the cowel etc... and partly due to the longer runner length than a single plane. There is a sweet spot for everything.

Bret

Looks like you didnt install the opti, what are you going with instead?

I put a distributor plug in the back of that puppy for him so I would imagine he's doing something with the opti.... Don't look like there is a crank trigger or front mount dist. on there.

Bret

Looks like you didnt install the opti, what are you going with instead?

Accel DFI Gen VII with an Accel Billetech distributor for the time being. Probably do a crank trigger later.

The Holley/Weiand ‘05 dealer literature is out and it shows the vortec version of the SR as being released (haven’t seen one in person yet). That should be an easier conversion and it would start with taller ports that should be a better match for the LT1/LT4 heads
David @ Thunder Racing (which is a sponsor here also) posted on the thirdgen.org TPI board @ 3/3/05 that they have the Vortec intake available now. He even had a special deal available on it if anybody wants to go over there and look ;)

Bret, what all stock components can be re used with the HSR?

also, what or how does the HSR differ in performance then an LT1 intake
i understand the physical differences but rpm and where power is going too be made in comparison is what i have no idea about
how would you compare this to your "ProRam"?

one last thing...
whats your opinion on how this would affect performance on a setup like mine over stock or ported/welded intake. would i be looking at gains with major trade offs, or slight gains that dont justify the dollar etc. etc.

btw....looks good! a little bit of paint really would have made it right

Added a couple of pics of the motor in the car.

http://community.webshots.com/user/mlgracing

Pictures number 45-46-47

Added a few more pics. Sorry this is taking so long. The car is in my friends garage which is about 40 minutes away and my job requires a lot of extra hours right now so I can't work on the car as much as I'd like. The new pics are at the bottom. Numbers 51, 52, 53 and 56.

http://community.webshots.com/user/mlgracing

Just click on Stealth Ram. There are also some pictures of the race car itself check them if you like.

Mike, your engine compartment looks very clean. Do you plan to clean up the area where you cut the cowl at? I can't wait to see what kind of performance numbers you post.

Take care

It looks like that thing almost fits under the cowl. Brett, what would the effect be if the top of the plenum were tapered (lower in the back) in order to clear the F-body cowl. It looks like we'd need about an inch of taper from front to back. May look whonky, but would it work?

Steve

It would be more work, but i've seen it done on some Wilson Sheetmetal stuff so it's definately doable.

The HSR would make a great intake on a Impalla since it's runners are so long.

Bret

Bret,

Quick side intake question, do you feel that adding an additional throttle body would benefit our LT(x) substanialy more so than lengthening the runners. All exotics rides nowadays are integrating a throttle body per cylinder set up. I wonder how our rides would respond to eight separate throttle bodies. Your input would be appreciated. take care

Johnny

Bringing back the dead.... can we get these pics working again?

Any numbers?

Any numbers?

Sorry guys, but work and some unforseen financial issues have forced me to put the race car on the back burner for the time being. Don't have any idea when I might be able to post some numbers.

Weiand tunnelram vs Super victor. The HSR is basically this tunnelram with bungs. Check out how the Tunnelram smokes the SV until about 6600 rpm where it loses 2hp but then gains 3 at 7000rpm. Pretty interesting! I wonder how well a Stock LT1 manifold would do against these?
It might be possible to use the HSR lower with a sheetmetal plennum/TB mount, to allow cowl clearance.
http://www.compcams.com/Community/Articles/Details.asp?ID=-1770016287

Weiand tunnelram vs Super victor. The HSR is basically this tunnelram with bungs. Check out how the Tunnelram smokes the SV until about 6600 rpm where it loses 2hp but then gains 3 at 7000rpm. Pretty interesting! I wonder how well a Stock LT1 manifold would do against these?
It might be possible to use the HSR lower with a sheetmetal plennum/TB mount, to allow cowl clearance.
http://www.compcams.com/Community/Articles/Details.asp?ID=-1770016287


Funny you should ask. I saved the article comparing a bunch of intakes. I will try diggin it up and post the url.

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/tpi/273727-tpi-shootout-feb-super-2.html

Don't show up?
It brings up the pg where you send a letter to the editor.

Don't show up?
It brings up the pg where you send a letter to the editor.

It brings up the page but I see now that the actual article that was scanned and posted is now missing. I saved the whole thing if someone wants I will e-mail it to them to host the scanned pages.

RRR